been sayin it for years ... black smoke threw the guy into the jet engine he dint get sucked in ... they showed it again this episode ... im sure everyone saw it this time, anyone with slo-mo

They showed it because it was old footage they reran again, it was determined a long long time ago that it was cgi debris, not a clue, not the monster. I'll find the VIP quote and post it when the board slows down later.

been sayin it for years ... black smoke threw the guy into the jet engine he dint get sucked in ... they showed it again this episode ... im sure everyone saw it this time, anyone with slo-mo

You're wrong.
In a podcast Darleton said that the smoke monster DOES NOT make an appearance in the Pilot.
Sorry.

been sayin it for years ... black smoke threw the guy into the jet engine he dint get sucked in ... they showed it again this episode ... im sure everyone saw it this time, anyone with slo-mo

No. Sorry. No.

watch it for yourself ... and then talk to me .. watch it in slo mo ... im sorry yes

If they took the effort to CGI in Nikki and Paulo, wouldn't the effort have been made to CGI out the original CGI screwup? BTW, watched it on my teeny-tiny TV at work, so I didn't see it. But it begs the question.

That wasn't CGI. They refilmed those scenes from the Pilot. Note the different haircut/facial hair on the man locke is carrying away? It was acted out all very well, but it was all refilmed.

Boone even had different hair (a wig).

That wasn't CGI. They refilmed those scenes from the Pilot. Note the different haircut/facial hair on the man locke is carrying away? It was acted out all very well, but it was all refilmed.

Boone even had different hair (a wig).

That wasn't a wig. That was HIS hair. Darleton said they weren't going to make him cut it just for two days of filming.
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watch it for yourself ... and then talk to me .. watch it in slo mo ... im sorry yes


Try listening to a few podcasts. Carlton and Damon - Producers of the show, have said the the smoke monster DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE PILOT.

You have no basis for your arguement.
So...stop?

my point is when i first watched the pilot it was on dvd ... it is possible that it is a shoadow of debris ... but why recreate it in this new episode? if ppl have a dvr and can slo-mo check it out ... my only problem is the black smoke are small ... but i still say he was thrown into the jet

my point is when i first watched the pilot it was on dvd ... it is possible that it is a shoadow of debris ... but why recreate it in this new episode? if ppl have a dvr and can slo-mo check it out ... my only problem is the black smoke are small ... but i still say he was thrown into the jet

They didn't recreate that scene - they reused it.
The Smoke monster was not in the Pilot, and not in Expose either.

clochard ... how was it not in expose? sounded like it was? ... and im not askin what the producers said, guy ... watch it and have your own opinion ... it doesnt look like debris ... but like ive said im not positive, if you had watche it and said ... "I saw what you're talkin about but i dont think it was smoke" ... ud have a reasonable point mr podcast and yes i do listen to them but i dont take them as the gospel

Tee-hee!I love this argument. Reminds me of the old days.

clochard ... how was it not in expose? sounded like it was? ... and im not askin what the producers said, guy ... watch it and have your own opinion ... it doesnt look like debris ... but like ive said im not positive, if you had watche it and said ... "I saw what you're talkin about but i dont think it was smoke" ... ud have a reasonable point mr podcast and yes i do listen to them but i dont take them as the gospel

I'm a girl, thank you very much.

And what I meant that it was not in the "Pilot" portion of Expose.

I have watched it; multiple times, and I know exactly what you're talking about.

ud have a reasonable point mr podcast and yes i do listen to them but i dont take them as the gospel

My point is quite reasonable, and the fact that it was in a podcast SHOULD be taken as gospel as you put it - it's coming directly from those who have CREATED the show.
How can you possibly still be arguing?

It would be like if you created a movie - and I came up and said "That isn't what happened". You'd probably tell me MOD EDIT-Creative spelling ff, yes it is, because I made it"
Same thing here.
TPTB have SAID it wasn't Smokey, so it's not.

alright fair enough ... atleast u said u saw what im talkin bout and dint take the podcast's word for it

this argument is so lame! The freaking plane was on fire people. How the hell do you make the jump that the black smoke from the plane being on fire is "smokey." Are you watching a really small TV, or do you live in a remote area where abc come in really foggy? Last possibility, you are smoking something really good?

IT IS NOT SMOKEY. QUIT OVER ANALYZING IT!

diggity ur one of the ***Mod edited*** that dint even watch what im talkin about . .. its not smoke from the plane haha ... if anything its debris ... ***Mod edited***

That wasn't a wig. That was HIS hair. Darleton said they weren't going to make him cut it just for two days of filming.
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Try listening to a few podcasts. Carlton and Damon - Producers of the show, have said the the smoke monster DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE PILOT.

You have no basis for your arguement.
So...stop?

Actually you should try listening to the podcasts too. They said it was a wig.

QUIT OVER ANALYZING IT!

Over-analyzing? That's the under-statement of the year! ;)

Hi everyone,

I don't want to come down on one side or other of this argument, but consider this possibility:

TPTB film the Pilot, thinking ahead to the end of the season when we get our first glimpse of the Security System in its smoky form. They insert two very faint, almost inconspicuous CGI scenes related to the explosion of the plane engine when Gary Troup gets sucked into it. Their plans are, many episodes later, to reveal that smokey did have something to do with Mr. Troup's demise. However, some very observant fan notices the CGI, puts two and two together, and starts blabbing all over some forum like the 'Lage about how smokey made the engine explode. This is actually what TPTB were going to reveal in a couple of years, but what recourse do they have now but to vehemently deny it? Can we expect them to say, "It's a fair cop, yes, that is Smokey" and prematurely give away a very intriguing bit of information?

So I guess what I'm saying is: how do we know TPTB aren't tossing us a red herring when they say "its' nothing"--but they really mean it to be something (which still has not yet been revealed)?

Just playing devil's advocate. I'm not convinced one way or the other about the significance of what we see in the pilot. I couldn't tell on my low-def TV if it was even present in this episode.

Of course the biggest problem with this theory is that we never see the black smudge in question any where near Mr. Troup. What we see is him getting sucked into the engine, and then the shot changes to something black, be it Smokey or debris, whizzing by the engine as it starts to explode.

That wasn't a wig. That was HIS hair. Darleton said they weren't going to make him cut it just for two days of filming.

Actually it was wig, and yes they did re-film it there are pictures of the set being used again, also they wouldnt have called ian and maggie back if it was the same footage.

It was a combination of re-used footage from the Pilot and new footage shot specifically for this episode.

If they took the effort to CGI in Nikki and Paulo, wouldn't the effort have been made to CGI out the original CGI screwup? BTW, watched it on my teeny-tiny TV at work, so I didn't see it. But it begs the question.

Great point...

didn't they say in a podcast that the smokemonster was really nanobots? haha, just kidding.

That wasn't a wig. That was HIS hair. Darleton said they weren't going to make him cut it just for two days of filming.
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Try listening to a few podcasts. Carlton and Damon - Producers of the show, have said the the smoke monster DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE PILOT.

You have no basis for your arguement.
So...stop?
In fact it was a wig,what they said was Ian's hair was different now, and they were going to make him wear a wig instead of cutting it..

And please tone it down a bit.. someone might take you for trying to bait people into an argument.

I'm pretty sure this theory is going to exist as long as Lost exists, no matter how many times it's proven wrong. Let them have their fun!

Maybe it's not Smokey!

Maybe it's a Spectre!!! Or a Ringwraith!!! Or a Dementor!!! Or William Sadler as 'Death'!!! Or... someone help me out here...

I'm pretty sure this theory is going to exist as long as Lost exists, no matter how many times it's proven wrong. Let them have their fun!

Maybe it's not Smokey!

Maybe it's a Spectre!!! Or a Ringwraith!!! Or a Dementor!!! Or William Sadler as 'Death'!!! Or... someone help me out here...

Or one of the exorcised demons from Supernatural! They look like black smoke too ;)

Or Anubis from Stargate SG1!

Or my '89 Acura Legend after idling for too long!

Yeah... this debate is going to be around forever, no matter how many times its proven wrong. I think you could get everone from the show together (writers, producers, actors), have them stand in front of the camera and say "It's not the smoke monster" and people would still believe.

Yeah... this debate is going to be around forever, no matter how many times its proven wrong. I think you could get everone from the show together (writers, producers, actors), have them stand in front of the camera and say "It's not the smoke monster" and people would still believe.
Ooohhh....Okay Sickotriz, I hear you and I'm getting ready to start my letter campaign to get them all together, could you help me coordinate with the actors agents, an I'll try to bring set an appointment with everyone else?

I've never listened to the podcast nor seen a direct comment from the producers (except for the few I've read in the TPTB q&a section of The Fuselage. But I've seen other posters comment that the producers have claimed that there is nothing supernatural going on in Lost.

Now, podcasts and producers' statements are all well and good, but personally, I don't trust what they say about the future of the show. I think part of their goal is to create speculation and debate rather than to definitively answer questions about what is going on in the show. To accomplish that goal, I don't believe they're above stretching the truth or even outright lying.

I would believe the producers when they come out and admit a production goof, but not when they discuss the plot of the show.

-AJF

haha a lot of you dont realize im not talkin bout the engine explosion, im talkin bout the small black 'smudge' that swoops over his right shoulder and tosses him in ... you cant see it uneless u got slo mo ... but im not positive it could be debris that hits him as he gets sucked in ... it easily could be nothing

MadAxes, you're right; that's why I mentioned 2 black smudges. There is indeed a little one that seems to push him into the engine. Could have been some CGI to cover up the rigging they used to fling him through the air, or it could be something else. :eek2:

I'm a girl, thank you very much.

And what I meant that it was not in the "Pilot" portion of Expose.

I have watched it; multiple times, and I know exactly what you're talking about.

ud have a reasonable point mr podcast and yes i do listen to them but i dont take them as the gospel

My point is quite reasonable, and the fact that it was in a podcast SHOULD be taken as gospel as you put it - it's coming directly from those who have CREATED the show.
How can you possibly still be arguing?

It would be like if you created a movie - and I came up and said "That isn't what happened". You'd probably tell me MOD EDIT-Creative spelling ff, yes it is, because I made it"
Same thing here.
TPTB have SAID it wasn't Smokey, so it's not.
Please try responding more polite,we are not here to brawl and fight ...
As for Darlton and podcasts in general,try taking it all with a pinch of salt..theyre here to mislead us along with answering our questions...