In tonight episode, the preview stated that we will find out who the gay character is. Is /was Boone gay? Shannon said that Boone was busy checking out the guys. :confused:

So was the gay character that was rumor to be in this episode, "Boone"?

I think she just said hurtful things to him that didn't mean anything -
Not really meaning he was gay just accusing him of it since she knew how much he loved her - just to hurt him!
So glad she found Sayid and changed -!

What Preview stated that?
Are you serious or is this a joke?

Boone wasn't gay. He was in love with Shannon. I'm confused by this thread. She was just being mean to them because they were fighting like crazy when they were boarding the plane (remember, they slept together the night before).

There was no preview that said that.

I sure don't remember seeing or hearing anything about finding out about a gay character....
but if that is true,
I guess it's always possible that Boone was bi-sexual :confused:

She just said it because she was flustered and she always took stabs at him.

Hah I'm glad there's a thread for this. I wasn't sure if she was just being a vincent, or if he really liked guys. Just because he had feelings for her doesn't mean he couldn't like the fellas as well. :p But yes, now I think she was just saying things to be hurtful.

Damon was jk when he said that!

This thought crossed my mind as well during the episode, it could have easily been Shannon just being a "vincent"; however, it did seem to odd to include that if it didn't mean more (okay, so I could just be a victim of the this is Lost everything has to mean something disease).
A preview didn't mention it but a podcast revealed that
The gay character will appear in "Exposé."

TPTB were joking when they said that. Boone is not gay.

I did read a spoiler somewhere about a gay character - BUT I also read there were lost of FOILERS as well - fake spoilers - I am guessing this is one of those -
there was one simple line about looking at guys that gets leaked to be a gay character but in reality it was just a line - IMO

Boone wasn't gay... but that wasn't the last time that Shannon said that he was. Remember when she asked him if Locke was his "new boyfriend"?

She just liked to be mean to him. ;) Boone was completely in love with her, and their sex scene looked pretty hot to me. :p

Why does someone have to be gay? Just give it up already. Should someone of every sexual preference be on the show? *mod edit* Just let the writer's tell their story. If there's no REASON to make someone gay, they shouldn't do it just cuz fans are complaining. I think that would be extremely low and lame.

arzt?
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and i would find it very refreshing to have a gay/lesbian character on my favorite show

I never thought Boone was gay. I've never heard a podcast, so I've nevef heard there was a gay character. I know that I never heard that in a preview. After that scene between Boone and Shannon, I'd be disappointed if they were trying to imply that he was.

Who cares if Boone is gay anyway? There has been the hint of a "gay character" floating around since the show caught fire. Like real life, we spend way too much time worrying about whether someone is gay. Ooooh.

Although, I do agree with John Burger. That hair was pretty gay.

Why does someone have to be gay? Just give it up already. Should someone of every sexual preference be on the show? Child molesters? Just let the writer's tell their story. If there's no REASON to make someone gay, they shouldn't do it just cuz fans are complaining. I think that would be extremely low and lame.

Come on...someone has to be gay with a Dharma station caled the "The Flame"

But I totally agree with you. There is no need

But in hollywood the gay dude is almost becoming a given--as much as the comic sidekick, the slut, the genius, the dumb guy, the computer nerd, and many other cliche charactes added for flavor

Ok..did I just say flavor?..hahaaha

There should be a story reason to include a gay person. They shouldn't do it just cuz a portion of the American population has decided it should be a common thing.

There should be a story reason to include a gay person. They shouldn't do it just cuz a portion of the American population has decided it should be a common thing.

But the thing is, it is a pretty common thing to have a gay person in a group the size of our plane crash survivors. Now, whether they need to flesh out a storyline that deals with the issues of being gay is a different story. Maybe, one of the characters IS gay, but hey, there may be larger issues with surviving a horrific plane crash on a creepy and magical island than ones "gayness".

I'm thinking back now to the podcast of Damon and Carlton when this was brought up, and I think it was presented as "sure, there could be a gay character", and "so what".

Regardless of what anyone thinks whether the fact Boone was gay or not (while it may be substantially irrelevant) still satisfies some curiosity to some fans ears. True, there is no real evidence that Boone was gay, but Darlton did mention there would be a revealed gay on the show, and it would be revealed in a non-"in your face" kind of way. And there is no substantial evidence that Darlton was joking about the gay character, as there is no substantial evidence that Boone is actually gay. Personally, I don't see why Darlton would joke about such a matter, because A) the information is irrelevant to the show (seemingly), and B) there is no reason to joke about a matter that would disappoint some fans (including myself). I actually like the idea that Boone might have been gay or even bisexual, and that Shannon lured him to have sex with her by some other means that simply his "deep affection" towards her. So until there is evidence to substantiate the fact that either Darlton was joking, or Boone was gay, I see no reason to rule out either. While we each have our own personal opinions/preferences that should have no bearing on the absoluteness of this certain "mystery," if you can call it that.

What Preview stated that?
Are you serious or is this a joke?

Boone wasn't gay. He was in love with Shannon. I'm confused by this thread. She was just being mean to them because they were fighting like crazy when they were boarding the plane (remember, they slept together the night before).

It was mention in a Lost podcast:
0Lost Spoilers offers us a summary of the spoilers Cuse and Lindelof revealed in the latest podcast: This episode is set to answer a big mythological question. The gay character will appear in "Exposé." Source: Lost Podcasts

Lost Podcast (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast)

So,who's the gay character that they mention in the podcast?:eek2:

Regardless of what anyone thinks whether the fact Boone was gay or not (while it may be substantially irrelevant) still satisfies some curiosity to some fans ears. True, there is no real evidence that Boone was gay, but Darlton did mention there would be a revealed gay on the show, and it would be revealed in a non-"in your face" kind of way. And there is no substantial evidence that Darlton was joking about the gay character, as there is no substantial evidence that Boone is actually gay. Personally, I don't see why Darlton would joke about such a matter, because A) the information is irrelevant to the show (seemingly), and B) there is no reason to joke about a matter that would disappoint some fans (including myself). I actually like the idea that Boone might have been gay or even bisexual, and that Shannon lured him to have sex with her by some other means that simply his "deep affection" towards her. So until there is evidence to substantiate the fact that either Darlton was joking, or Boone was gay, I see no reason to rule out either. While we each have our own personal opinions/preferences that should have no bearing on the absoluteness of this certain "mystery," if you can call it that.

I just felt the need to say that I totally and completely agree. :41:

That was an interesting line by Shannon......makes me wonder how that revelation plays into things.

Think about it guy's, TPTB have been very smart if it is Boone, and I'm not saying it is, cause they don't have to persue the storyline any further because he is already dead.
Yeah Shannon was being spitefull but why ! I wouldn't treat my brother like that if he was homosexual/bi-sexual.
Shannon's trump card was being able to manipulate Boone into giving her money she could definately compete against another woman but not a man, thats a different thing altogether. Shannons nasty remarks could well have been from knowing if another man comes onto the scene she is the LOSER.

It might be Artz or Ethan... those are the only two other characters that we don't have past relationships for.

Hurley, Charlie, Paulo, Sawyer, and Jin, the other men featured in this eppy, were straight. We know that. But Artz and Ethan... we have no idea. So I'm betting its one of them.

Gay or not, I am just happy we had a big class reunion with shannon,boone and artz.

arzt?


i was totally hoping it was him but he was checking out nikki's red bikini pretty intensely, so it probably wasn't him. i also figured that having a gay character on LOST would be a possible risky move by the producers. there is so much debate over the issue at the current moment. i figured if they did reveal a homosexual character it would be one that is already dead or about to die. thus kind of striking a strange compromise between a few different ideologies.

Boone is so gay that he repeatedly had sex with his smoking hot step sister. Totally homosexual behaviour.

I think it's Mikhail. Think about it, he was in the Flame hatch. Wouldn't that make him a "flamer"?

I thought the writers implied Boone was gay since he was willing to go up into the plane for Locke, where Paulo told Nikki to get bent when she asked him to do it.

You can't get less "in your face" than that.

I thought the writers implied Boone was gay since he was willing to go up into the plane for Locke, where Paulo told Nikki to get bent when she asked him to do it.

You can't get less "in your face" than that.

Huh? Going up to the plane makes Boone gay?

Huh? Going up to the plane makes Boone gay?

As a literary device. Boone loved Locke enough to do it for him. Paulo didn't love Nikki enough to even consider it.

Otherwise I hardly see a reason to write Nikki asking Paulo to go up into the plane in the first place. Nikki didn't even want to be rescued until they'd found the bag; why would she want Paulo to go up and see if there was a radio?

Well, first of all - I think it'd be cool if there was a gay character, as long as he/she wasn't a token gay character just for the sake of making the fans stop whining (though I don't really think there's a very big fuss about this anyway, bar the occasional thread like this) or simply having one there, but I could easily live on if they didn't have one on the show either.

Even if Boone being gay or bi ever was an option the writers might have considered, I doubt it would've made a whole lot of sense to make a point out of it now. I believe Shannon was just being her sarcastic/insulting self without any undercurrents hinting at Boone's sexuality :) (But do I miss her sarcastic/insulting self, though)

I also am taking the whole gay character rumor with a grain of salt. I remember as well them saying that there might be a gay character at some point, and that he/she might appear in this episode, but sometimes it's very hard to distinguish when D&C are being truthful, and when they are pulling our legs. Damon didn't even remember about the gay character in the latest podcast, so I'm not holding my breath for it to ever happen.

Not to mention being able to find proof for nearly all of the male cast involved in this episode to have straight tendencies :biggrin: When I first read through the lists in this thread, I thought Ethan and that cute Mittelos guy would've made a good gay couple, but in Maternity leave, Ethan had a very creepily affective way around the doped Claire, so I don't see it as a possibility either.

As a literary device. Boone loved Locke enough to do it for him. Paulo didn't love Nikki enough to even consider it.

Otherwise I hardly see a reason to write Nikki asking Paulo to go up into the plane in the first place. Nikki didn't even want to be rescued until they'd found the bag; why would she want Paulo to go up and see if there was a radio?

It wasn't 'gay love' for Locke that had him climb up to the plane. Boone was enamored with Locke's skills, and was pleased that Locke had included him as a confidant in his adventures in digging up the Swan hatch.

Paulo didn't climb up to the plane - not because he didn't love Nikki enough, but because he knew better than Boone did. Nikki did want to be rescued. She was talking about the coast guard coming from day 6.

Good Lord, kittens. Have any of you ever even met a gay person? Some of you seem downright hostile to our existence much less the possibility that out of 48 people someone might [just might] be queer.

Anyhow, I've thought Dead Boone(tm) was family since season one when Shannon's snotty remark about Locke being his new [operative word] boyfriend didn't elicit the typical homophobic straight boy response that you people prove to be true. Her comment in last night's episode about his flirting with random guys feels like more support for this.

But to be honest, unlike you insecure heteros [you know which of you I'm talking about] I don't need to assert his sexuality in order for the show or the character to be a success. You kittens [again, not all of you] need to get a bigger life than going to church and watching teevee. We are here. We are queer. Do get used to it. It's not just, as SenatorKent asserts, that "a portion of the American population has decided it should be a common thing". It's life. Like it or lump it but you can't do a thing about it.

Sigh. </soapbox>

It wasn't 'gay love' for Locke that had him climb up to the plane. Boone was enamored with Locke's skills, and was pleased that Locke had included him as a confidant in his adventures in digging up the Swan hatch.

That's your interpretation. I find it debatable. Gay isn't necessarily the stereotypical wandering out into the bush with some stranger and glory holes and all that. I think it's entirely possible that Boone was falling in love with Locke.

Paulo didn't climb up to the plane - not because he didn't love Nikki enough, but because he knew better than Boone did. Nikki did want to be rescued. She was talking about the coast guard coming from day 6.

Nikki even points out the dichotomy between being unwilling to go up into the plane yet being willing to climb down a dark hole.

And she was talking about the Coast Guard because she didn't want to have rescuers show up and be all, "Well, can you hang on, we lost some luggage out in the middle of the island and we just have to go get it." She told Paulo to get out there and find that bag, because she didn't want to be rescued until they had the bag back.

Good Lord, kittens. Have any of you ever even met a gay person? Some of you seem downright hostile to our existence much less the possibility that out of 48 people someone might [just might] be queer.

Anyhow, I've thought Dead Boone(tm) was family since season one when Shannon's snotty remark about Locke being his new [operative word] boyfriend didn't elicit the typical homophobic straight boy response that you people prove to be true. Her comment in last night's episode about his flirting with random guys feels like more support for this.

But to be honest, unlike you insecure heteros [you know which of you I'm talking about] I don't need to assert his sexuality in order for the show or the character to be a success. You kittens [again, not all of you] need to get a bigger life than going to church and watching teevee. We are here. We are queer. Do get used to it. It's not just, as SenatorKent asserts, that "a portion of the American population has decided it should be a common thing". It's life. Like it or lump it but you can't do a thing about it.

Sigh. </soapbox>

well said RSL :clapping:

i've been rather surprised at some of the comments made in this thread....also noticed at least one that had been deleted this morning.

That's your interpretation. I find it debatable. Gay isn't necessarily the stereotypical wandering out into the bush with some stranger and glory holes and all that. I think it's entirely possible that Boone was falling in love with Locke.





Yes, thanks for the info. I happen to be gay, so, you know, I understand the stereotypes pretty well.

As for Boone falling in love with Locke, well, sure, I guess it is debatable, but I just don't see it.

I'll just put my 2 cents in here... Boone can love Shannon (and, yes, have even slept with her) and still be gay.

I'm amazed that this thread has gotten so much attention. What does one deceased characters sexual orientation have to do with anything?

On one hand, Boone could be straight. Shannon is the kind of person who would make jokes about her brother being gay to piss him off. I hardly find that as conclusive evidence that he's into guys. Add to that, the very first time we see him in a flashback, he's all over a girl at his country club.

On the other hand, he could be gay. The only romantic relationship we've seen him have is a very disfunctional one with Shannon. There are plenty of gay guys who've had relationships with girls. Again, though, not conclusive.

It could be argued that pretty much any character is gay. Maybe Ana-Lucia was a lesbian! But really, who cares? Sexual orientation is a big part of a person, but it doesn't make them who they are.

Anyhow, I've thought Dead Boone(tm) was family since season one when Shannon's snotty remark about Locke being his new [operative word] boyfriend didn't elicit the typical homophobic straight boy response that you people prove to be true. Her comment in last night's episode about his flirting with random guys feels like more support for this.

I agree. Shannon has made comment to Boone being gay more than once. He never deny it.:biggrin: I also notice all while Boone was on the island, not once did he even attempt to chat up a girl.

People are always so curious to find out who's gay. Have to agree with AZ, there's lots of people who sleep with BOTH men and women. And I would wager that everyone who's posted on this thread knows at least a handful of people who are gay, but assume they're straight. They might even be best friends with you :)

But Boone being gay (or even bi) would make him less tragic, because then he wouldn't be all THAT besotted with Shannon--there would be logical alternatives for him--even alternatives who offered something Shannon couldn't. Therefore, for plot purposes, he must be straight . . . Shannon is not only the only woman in the world for him, she's the only PERSON in the world for him. The only other obvious "date" we ever saw him with was another tall blonde woman who bore a striking resemblance to Shannon.

Shannon's "gay" jabs at Boone were, as I see it, just part and parcel of her cruel snark. Boone ignored them, so he'd probably been hearing them from her since he was about 13.

The gay character will appear in "Exposé."

Damarlton (damon+carlton) did say the above in the Podcast and they also said it would be so small that you may not notice it (the character wouldn't scream it and it's not that a big of a deal). I thought it could be Boone after Shannon made that comment in last nights epi. and also remembering how he looked after he slept with Shannon in season 1 (he was not only freaked out about sleeping w/Shannon but he was also freaked out she was a girl! ha). But maybe it's....Ben. Maybe Juliet made that comment about Jack being cute because Ben had previously mentioned it to her that the Doc for his surgery was good looking and she was just agreeing. Ha....it could also explain why he had to take Alex. I am mostly kidding with all this, but you never know! :)

But really, who cares? Sexual orientation is a big part of a person, but it doesn't make them who they are.

Amen. Except that there is something to be said for visibility. But only something, not everything.

I'll just put my 2 cents in here... Boone can love Shannon (and, yes, have even slept with her) and still be gay.

Amen. *I* love Shannon and *I'm* gay. Heh.

But Boone being gay (or even bi) would make him less tragic, because then he wouldn't be all THAT besotted with Shannon--there would be logical alternatives for him--even alternatives who offered something Shannon couldn't. Therefore, for plot purposes, he must be straight . . . Shannon is not only the only woman in the world for him, she's the only PERSON in the world for him.

You've got to be joking with this one, right? Someone's death isn't as tragic if they're gay because he wouldn't be irreparably smitten with his stepsister?? To paraphrase Margot Tenenbaum, "I couldn't even begin to think about knowing how to answer that question"

I can't believe I'm even typing this up but I'm hoping I have something worthy of contributing. Chances are good, though, that my thought has already been pitched, discussed, and debunked by fans much smarter and more devoted than me...but hey. :cool:

I don't know anything about someone supposedly being outed in last night's episode other than what I've read in this thread, and if it was said by a producer/creator, I don't know if it was in jest.

But without any prior expectation of an outing in last night's episode, I was immediately struck by Juliet's comment and pointed look while watching Jack on the monitor in The Pearl.

"He's cute." <Look to Ben.>

As a woman, I'd have to say that a manipulative, self-absorbed, and tactless sister would certainly be capable of making asinine comments about her brother's sexual identity that are absolutely baseless. I have no problem accepting that as true, even if I don't agree with the action. But most women wouldn't make a random, off-the-cuff remark about the attractiveness of a random man under the circumstances that Juilet did to Ben. If she was with a girlfriend, maybe. Maybe. But not with a man who she is arguably distrustful of and who is in a position of superiority to her.

Unless they share a common interest, perhaps.

Of course, the comment could also be solidifying the fact that Juliet and Jack have romantic possibilities...but do we really need that to be solidified at this point? :redface:

Honestly, I don't care whether any of the characters are gay, straight, or otherwise unless if furthers the plot, and I can't see why the creators would, either. That's another reason I think the Ben thing follows - his sexual orientation could have direct implications on the storyline, in the same way that Juliet's and Jack's do. (i.e., Helping each other against Ben in part because of the attraction or sexual tension between them.)

If this horse has already been beaten, my apologies. I'm usually a lurker and I don't wear the "poster" hat well.

Anyhow, I've thought Dead Boone(tm) was family since season one when Shannon's snotty remark about Locke being his new [operative word] boyfriend didn't elicit the typical homophobic straight boy response that you people prove to be true. Her comment in last night's episode about his flirting with random guys feels like more support for this.



I also cannot believe so much attention is being given to this, but i guess i'll put in my 2 cents. I agree with this post that Boone did not have the "typical" reaction of a straight man who is being called gay.

So was the gay character that was rumor to be in this episode, "Boone"?

Boone and Shannon were romantically involved. Does that answer the question?
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I also cannot believe so much attention is being given to this, but i guess i'll put in my 2 cents. I agree with this post that Boone did not have the "typical" reaction of a straight man who is being called gay.

I think he had the typical reaction of someone whose sister talks an endless stream of crap. It wasn't the first or last time she was verbally abusive towards him.

I don't have any major objections to Ben being the gay character, but I think there are a couple of things working against that theory:

a) I don't really consider Juliet's "He's cute" to be anything more than setting up her sympathies for Jack long before actually meeting him. Odd to make the remark in Ben's presence, yes, but I doubt this implicates that Ben's the gay character.

b) Already from the beginning of this season it seems to be implied that there's sort of an unrequited love tension between Ben and Juliet, or that they possibly could've been in a relationship - specifically in Glass Ballerina, I believe.

c) While you could write this down simply on the fact that it hadn't been asked before this episode, it's very suspicious to state that we'll see the gay character specifically in Expose, while we saw Ben in TMFT and way before too.

Though I still think there is no substantial evidence that there actually is a gay/bi character, if we go by the last point, it'd have to be someone guest-starring in this episode specifically, and given Shannon's remark, this actually does lead to the best guess being that Boone's the closest we can get to a gay character on Lost.

Boone and Shannon were romantically involved. Does that answer the question?


As has been said many times in this thread....
No, it certainly does not answer the question.
Many males have had romantic / sexual relationships with females,
only later to admit that they are gay.
Not to mention all the people in this world who consider themselves bi-sexual.

His relationship with Shannon does not prove anything.
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I was thinking it was Tom after hearing that he liked come to the pearl to watch the people (mostly men) on the live feed from the swan

If Boone was gay he sure hid it well, because I didn't even ever think about it:unsure: lol but I guess I wouldn't lol

It's hard to believe that anyone on the island is gay considering most of the men had encounters with women. Maybe someone is bi. There are a lot of references to Boone from Shannon about being gay, but did anyone think it might be Hurley? When he was asking Desmond about Nikki and Paolo, Desmond said something like "I saw Nikki arguing with your mate." And it looked like Hurley was taken aback by that comment. Like if he though Desmond knew something. And then Hurley proceeds to ask "my mate?" So maybe Hugo has a crush on Sawyer... LOL!

I was thinking it was Tom after hearing that he liked come to the pearl to watch the people (mostly men) on the live feed from the swan


i've heard this referenced before and i had to have 100% missed it... when did this happen? what was said/how was it told to us that he liked to watch people in the pearl?

a gay man wont sleep with a woman...even if the woman was his sister....

Boone was not gay...

Shannon was a female dog....

I also cannot believe so much attention is being given to this, but i guess i'll put in my 2 cents. I agree with this post that Boone did not have the "typical" reaction of a straight man who is being called gay.

Enough with the generalizations, not all men go beserk when accused of being gay. I call my friends gay ten times a day. As do they.

As I see it, all evidence of Boone's orientation put forth indicate him being straight. The guy was in love with his sister for crikes sake. Not all straight guys can do that, it takes a really straight guy to cross that line.

My money is on Zeke the Friendly Seabilly. He's been giving off gay signals since the get go.

I was going to ask the same thing after seeing this episode!

In case anyone does not know where the writers said this, it was in "The Official Lost Podcast." You can listen to it free on itunes or listen to it on ABC.com.

I think he somewhat bisexual.

Enough with the generalizations [snip snip snip] My money is on Zeke the Friendly Seabilly. He's been giving off gay signals since the get go.

Um... This isn't Burger King and you can't have it your way. Pick one. Drop stereotypes or have people give off gay signals.

As I see it, all evidence of Boone's orientation put forth indicate him being straight. The guy was in love with his sister for crikes sake. Not all straight guys can do that, it takes a really straight guy to cross that line.

That is some fantastic logic right there. Hahah.

IF there is a gay character on LOST, my money is on Tom aka Zeke. He told Kate,
"you're not my type". Granted, not every man is going to find Kate hot, but it seems
that he was trying to tell her that he had zero interest in seeing a naked woman.

As for Boone's non reaction to Shannon insinuating he is gay-- perhaps he is not
threatened being called gay. Many straight people (such as myself) would not be
offended if someone thought they were gay. It's not like being gay is a disease or a
horrid thing. Some are straight, some are gay, some are bi. Big deal.

I don't think Boone was gay, but not because it matters to me one way or the other.
He just seemed so consumed with Shannon...

You Tex, RSL...thanks for balancing the spectrum. I think most.just.don't.care. I know I don't.

I think Artz's scarf was ghey...

Well stated, Kyle!

*hic*

My take? All this talk about Boone being gay is useless.
My feeling is that it is Ben. If in fact TPTB were serious about the reveal being not 'in your face', then it can't be Boone. Shannon's airport comment would have made it obvious. Subtlety is a lost art, and I think Juliet is quite 'artistic'... ;)
This just makes me love the Ben character even more, and Michael Emerson just jumped about a hundred points on my coolness scale.

I was thinking it was Tom after hearing that he liked come to the pearl to watch the people (mostly men) on the live feed from the swan


Tom also made the comment to Kate that she "wasn't his type"

The thing about the gay character. Someone asked the question and Darlton addressed it in the podcast. It had been mentioned back in ComicCon that someone will be gay. Honestly, I think TPTB had forgotten about it. Plus in the podcast, they said someone will be gay but won't say it. They were alluding to the fact that any guy could be gay and not know it or admit it. Like it wasn't obvious and was irrelevant.

It probably shouldn't surprise me... but this whole thread does... why in the world does it matter in the least if someone is gay, isn't gay, or is bi in this show? We went through this when the whole "jack is gay" threads started - people thought he should have had sex with kate and because he didn't.. he was gay... do people really think like that??? If a male doesn't show interest in woman in a specified time frame he is gay? If a woman does or doesn't do this or that she is gay??
AND.... if they are gay.. who cares????
If I was a survivor of a plane crash, how in the world would the fact that I am gay have anything to do with anything? It matters just about as much as the fact that my hair is brown. Do all straight people stare at every single opposite sex person - and if they don't they default to being gay or something? I just don't understand why it is such a hot topic and why it matters..

It probably shouldn't surprise me... but this whole thread does... why in the world does it matter in the least if someone is gay, isn't gay, or is bi in this show? We went through this when the whole "jack is gay" threads started - people thought he should have had sex with kate and because he didn't.. he was gay... do people really think like that??? If a male doesn't show interest in woman in a specified time frame he is gay? If a woman does or doesn't do this or that she is gay??
AND.... if they are gay.. who cares????
If I was a survivor of a plane crash, how in the world would the fact that I am gay have anything to do with anything? It matters just about as much as the fact that my hair is brown. Do all straight people stare at every single opposite sex person - and if they don't they default to being gay or something? I just don't understand why it is such a hot topic and why it matters..


The "why should anyone care" bit that a lot of people throw around confuses me. It's more about inclusion and representation than judgement or novelty. We've had something like 20 regulars, probably just as many recurring characters (just on the island), and countless flashback characters? And none have been confirmed as gay.

Yet, we get confirmation on pretty much every character's heterosexuality. It's a total double standard.

So, if Lost had gone two and a half seasons, introduced 20 regulars, 20 recurring characters, and something like 60 flashback characters, and none were black, would we be saying "why should we care?"
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Also, Boone is not gay. Shannon gay-baited him when they were alive (calling Locke his "boyfriend"). No news there.

So I'm inclined to agree with the people who think that Darlton were kidding.... although I've been suspecting Ben since "Lockdown."

Yes, it is life that there are gay people. There are people who think it's OK and there are people who think it's wrong. There are other people who think it's OK to have sex outside of marriage and others who think it's wrong. There are others who think it's OK to dance and other's who think its wrong. There are people who think being racist is right and other's who think it's wrong. Yes, all these exist. It doesn't mean that we have to include every single one of these characters on the show as a means of justifying their "rightness." If i like tall women, I don't need a character on the show who likes tall women to feel like my personal "taste" is being represented by the mass media. there are always both sides of opinions and beliefs; when do we start writing in and demanding TPTB change characters to fit our personal model of society? Statistically in a group of that size there would be a lot of things that we haven't seen...a red head, someone with AIDS, etc. etc. Im not saying that any of these things are right OR wrong, I'm simply saying that we all have opinions and beliefs on different topics and I don't think it is fair to the writers to have us requesting they include our own personal tastes. Do we want Lost to be about the writers fulfilling our societal views on television, or do we want it to be about good characters and good story?

Well, if it was claimed that the revelation of the gay character would be subtle, then we have to approach it from a subliminal standpoint.

With that in mind, I'd have to suspect it was Paolo. Let's think about that:

In the Ben/Juliet scene, he was hiding in the (water) closet.
In the flashback scene with the other Losties, we see him coming out of the (water) closet. (And mind you, everybody eyeing him suspectingly .. perhaps another underlying subliminal message)?

And then finally - despite his pleas to Nikki that he hid the diamonds because he was afraid she would leave him (probably said more in desperation because of his helpless, poisoned state rather than in truth) - couldn't it just as easily be that Paolo just wanted the diamonds for himself? That is: if diamond's are a girl's best friend - couldn't they equally be a gay man's best friend?

Yes, it is life that there are gay people. There are people who think it's OK and there are people who think it's wrong. There are other people who think it's OK to have sex outside of marriage and others who think it's wrong. There are others who think it's OK to dance and other's who think its wrong. There are people who think being racist is right and other's who think it's wrong. Yes, all these exist. It doesn't mean that we have to include every single one of these characters on the show as a means of justifying their "rightness." If i like tall women, I don't need a character on the show who likes tall women to feel like my personal "taste" is being represented by the mass media. there are always both sides of opinions and beliefs; when do we start writing in and demanding TPTB change characters to fit our personal model of society? Statistically in a group of that size there would be a lot of things that we haven't seen...a red head, someone with AIDS, etc. etc. Im not saying that any of these things are right OR wrong, I'm simply saying that we all have opinions and beliefs on different topics and I don't think it is fair to the writers to have us requesting they include our own personal tastes. Do we want Lost to be about the writers fulfilling our societal views on television, or do we want it to be about good characters and good story?



You raise an interesting point. If we were just talking about the main cast, I'd be inclined to agree with you. I'm not one of those people who got bothered when Season 3 found itself without a black main cast member. Going out of your way to include gay characters? Sure, that's bothersome. But since Lost has introduced as many characters as it has, there's the impression that they're going out of their way NOT to include them. Which is offensive to a lot of people.

Especially when these guys pride themselves on how diverse their cast is.

Statistically in a group of that size there would be a lot of things we haven't seen... a redhead, someone with AIDS, etc. etc.

There is no conclusive way to determine how many homosexuals there are. However, your more liberal types claim 10% of the population, while your more conservative types claim 1%. So, if the former is true, we should have run into quite a few by now. And, if the latter is true, we should run into at least one before the end of the show. Statistically speaking, of course.

Um... This isn't Burger King and you can't have it your way.

No, this is the internet, and yes, I can have it my way. There is virtually no proof of Boone's alleged gayness whereas for Zeke, it's been piling up from day one..

Now, what's that generic expression Americans usually use when making a point again....oh yeah; Deal with it.
100%

As Rosie O'Donnell would say.. Boone is 'just a little bit' gay. :p

He could be bi...

Damon said there was a gay character.

No I dont think he was gay if they are planning on bringing a gay person in shouldnt if be someone that is alive or someone we havent met yet

what upsets me is that if a gay character were to be brought in now it will be claimed to be "because the fans wanted it", diversity reasons and blamed on us. you say that you don't want lost littered with too many people's points of view and trying to please everyone, which is legitimate at a level, and then you bring in red heads. but really, how many people would be like "oh jeez, that redhead is only there b/c they didn't have one on the show and are under-represented"?

i really don't see why people are so adamently against to even having a background person be gay just for the sake of personality and experience differences. it HAS to be b/c lost is catering to the masses, and it'll TOTALLY ruin everything.

I think it was just typical angry sibling banter.

We have been hearing about a gay character for a long time, this isn't the first time either that we have heard shannon say something like this to Boone. I remember once she said something about Locke being his new boyfriend! I think it's just a way to make him feel bad. Shannon could be a real brat and very hurtful when she wanted to be. Boone was very much in love with Shannon. If you don't believe that, watch their flashbacks from season 1 again.

maybe pre-hatch incident Boone was straight...after he was gay.

different timelines...different outcomes.

I think it was just typical angry sibling banter.


Agree and Boone wasn't gay, he was in love with Shannon, his stepsister. :biggrin:

maybe pre-hatch incident Boone was straight...after he was gay.

different timelines...different outcomes.

lol Exactly, it happened after the sky turned purple.

IF they were referring to Boone being (SUDDENLY!!!!) gay, I call MAJOR FOUL because there is not an inkling of evidence to suggest that he was gay AND there is a significant amount of evidence that he was straight.

It would be like them saying, "You will find out who was nominated for Sainthood because of good deeds and charitable contributions" and then we see Shannon tossing a couple nickels at a bum on the street. Of course!!! Shannon!!! A saint!!!

I think it was just typical angry sibling banter.
...like "you sleep on the wet spot." :biggrin:

In all seriousness, it doesnt really matter if he is gay or not. If he is it adds a whole nother layer to the creepy sleeping with your sister thing.
When I heard the line, I thought of Boones company.....a wedding planning thingamabob or something......which sound pretty effeminant for a dude to do for a living. I just kinda assumed Shannon was busting his balls for working at that particular type of company.

When I heard the line, I thought of Boones company.....a wedding planning thingamabob or something......which sound pretty effeminant for a dude to do for a living. I just kinda assumed Shannon was busting his balls for working at that particular type of company.
The problem is that they've already played that card. They already used the wedding planning company to allude to Boone being gay to begin with... and then gave us the typical Lost switcheroo (Kate's a con! Locke was paralyzed!) when they revealed that Boone was in love with Shannon and then slept with her. That was it. Boone, straight. Case closed. To swing it back around and suddenly be like, "Why yes, this character who is now dead and who you saw was clearly in love with his step-sister, was actually gay... because people want a gay character, and this is all we could muster up... because Boone was kind of a pretty boy... and... because we're lazy." I mean, come on!

How about next, we find out that "someone" wasn't a warlord!!!

The problem is that they've already played that card. They already used the wedding planning company to allude to Boone being gay to begin with... and then gave us the typical Lost switcheroo (Kate's a con! Locke was paralyzed!) when they revealed that Boone was in love with Shannon and then slept with her. That was it. Boone, straight. Case closed. To swing it back around and suddenly be like, "Why yes, this character who is now dead and who you saw was clearly in love with his step-sister, was actually gay... because people want a gay character, and this is all we could muster up... because Boone was kind of a pretty boy... and... because we're lazy." I mean, come on!

How about next, we find out that "someone" wasn't a warlord!!!

I don't know about people wanting a character to be gay.. it just makes sense that someone on the island must be gay or bisexual. Also just because he slept with Shannon doesn't mean he can't like the boys too.. so it's not "case closed". This subject shouldn't be taken so seriously.. just something to talk about and ask 'what if'? I was personally hoping that Tom would be the gay character.. or one of.

I don't know about people wanting a character to be gay.. it just makes sense that someone on the island must be gay or bisexual. Also just because he slept with Shannon doesn't mean he can't like the boys too.. so it's not "case closed". This subject shouldn't be taken so seriously.. just something to talk about and ask 'what if'? I was personally hoping that Tom would be the gay character.. or one of.
I'm not really taking it that seriously at all. I just get annoyed when the producers fuel the fire like this when obviously Boone was NOT meant to be gay when he was alive, and now that he's dead, it's easy for them for just be like, "Yeah, it was Boone, OK?"

What if Boone had made the comment to Shannon about a woman? Would you not think it was a little bit lame and ridiculous that suddenly Shannon is supposed to be gay? I mean, just because she slept with Sayid, doesn't mean she didn't also like girls! Your logic can be brought to this situation, but why would they do this to: (1) a character that isn't on the show anymore and (2) a character that was clearly straight and affectionate towards an individual of the opposite sex? How about if next week, in Kate's flashback someone makes a similar comment to her? Would it make sense that she's "now" gay? Just because she slept with Sawyer and clearly has feelings for Jack (and had a HUSBAND!) doesn't mean she doesn't also like girls!

This is an example of SHOW don't tell. Now, with Tom, they've at least laid the proper groundwork if they choose to have him "be gay" some time in the future. He hasn't been shown to be in love with a woman. He hasn't been shown to be affectionate in any way towards a woman. He has made an ambiguous comment to Kate suggesting that he might not be interested in women. He has shown an affectionate side towards men, both Ben and Jack. The difference between Boone and Tom is that we have SEEN enough evidence to support Tom being gay (when and if the time comes).

One more thing... there was a thread last year about the need for a gay character. And I said the same thing that I will say now. While there's a chance that there would be a gay person among the survivors of the plane crash, at this point in time, there's also the chance that there would be NO gay person among them. It's a small sample, and the actual characters that we know is an even smaller sample. It is NOT unlikely that a gay person might not be represented in this situation any more than it's unlikely that there is no blind character or a character that is visually disabled because his contact lenses washed out in the ocean or dried up after a week.

First of all with as many people as there are running around on the island at least one has to be gay..come on.
Second why is this thead any more or less necessary or relavant than another one about if Kate chooses Jack or Sawyer (don't get me wrong that interests me too) the whole double standard thing is so sickening.

Anyway

I really like the idea of a Gay character on the show although it didn't really occur to me until Tom said that odd "don't woorry, you're not my type" line to Kate before she went to the shower. My "Gaydar" immediately went off! I thought why would they have him say that (knowing how they rarely waste words) and it seemed to me to be a a very "Gay" thing to say. It was after that I heard the rumors about a gay character being revealed.

At this point I'm futher convinced it's Tom and I think the fact that he's gay (and maybe the last person many would think would be gay) will serve the story!

It's posible I'm crazy but here goes:

Mr. Tom Friendly has been getting sweeter & friendlier with each new episode.

Juliet was experimenting with impregnating male mice...& making babies grow where they shouldn't be able too.

I think Tom may be a gay man who "voulteered" to be a human guinea pig for Juliet's experiments it seems maybe it would be easier to find a Gay man willing to do this than a Straight one (for whatever juicy, sad and tragic reasons in his past that the writers come up with).

I think he's on hormones explaining his mood swings and the kinda new mothering thing he's got going on with Jack (he cares for him like he's his baby).

I think he's pregnant explaining the increasing girth.Tom seems to be gettin fatter & fatter in the belly if you notice.

I can hear the snickers & name calling already but you got to admit it would be an interesting twist!

If there is to be a Gay character (like they've hinted at) I hope they don't just sweep it under the carpet like... lets just say it's the guy we killed in season 1 (hello! lame & annoying). It would be so much more interesting & up to the high standards the writers have set if the character actually made an impact in the story telling somehow!

So until they come up with somthing better I'm staying on the Gay Tom Track!

First of all with as many people as there are running around on the island at least one has to be gay..come on.
I really don't think so. I think the sample size is small enough for all the characters to reasonably be straight. That's not to say that it would be impossible for a character to be gay -- it's simply saying that, at this point in time, it's not hard to believe that out of less than 50 people, there is no gay person.
Second why is this thead any more or less necessary or relavant than another one about if Kate chooses Jack or Sawyer (don't get me wrong that interests me too) the whole double standard thing is so sickening.
It's not that I think a thread about gay characters, in general, is unnecessary. I do, however, think that the whole "Is Boone gay because Shannon said he was flirting with a guy?" issue is unnecessary because it's so clearly an afterthought and was not originally intended.

I don't think "Kate chooses Jack or Sawyer" threads are the right comparison for this issue. It would be a double standard if we knew with certainty that a character was gay and a thread about whether he or she was in love with another character was scoffed at. I would be fine with a "Does Tom love Jack or Ben?" thread. I'm not as OK with this thread because having a discussion about whether Boone was gay is exactly the same as having a discussion about how Kate is gay, which she clearly isn't.
Anyway

I really like the idea of a Gay character on the show although it didn't really occur to me until Tom said that odd "don't woorry, you're not my type" line to Kate before she went to the shower. My "Gaydar" immediately went off! I thought why would they have him say that (knowing how they rarely waste words) and it seemed to me to be a a very "Gay" thing to say. It was after that I heard the rumors about a gay character being revealed.
I don't care if there's a gay character either way. If there isn't, OK. If there is, OK. I'm just not pining for a gay character any more than I am wishing for a character who can't see past his nose because his contact lenses washed out (or a redhead or a little person or a teenager....).

I, too, think that Tom might be the gay character. The reason your "gaydar" went off, though, is because Tom was written in a way that suggests that he could be gay!!!! Boone was not written in such a way. OK, so Boone was a typical "pretty boy" and he worked at his mom's wedding business. Both might be seen as evidence that Boone was gay, but as they are patent stereotypes, they are entirely outweighed by the actual concrete evidence (being in love with and having sex with Shannon) which points directly to Boone being straight. If he wasn't in love with Shannon (and I believe he had a girlfriend in one of the flashbacks), the stereotypes might have been acceptable "evidence," but Boone + Shannon = Straight.

Just to make clear: I'm not against there being a gay character. But (1) I don't think it's unreasonable that there wouldn't be one and (2) I don't think that there is any more evidence to support Boone being gay than there is to support Kate or Shannon being gay.

Bryce although I wasn't responding to your comments they hadn't been posted until after I wrote my reply or at least I didn't see it till then so I wasn't refuting or discounting anything you said since I hadn't read it but I do appreciate your comments.

I too never felt Boone was gay (although he seems to fit a certain type & it might be easy for someone to imagine that about him) the story has always been telling us that he has a thing for his sister (as twisted & abussive as that maybe) not with his brother so I agree. It was not intended that he be.
But if the writers were trying to suddenly suggest that as some on this thread seem to think then I think that is really bogus and a cheap shot. Surely that was not their intention.

I also agree that I couldn't care less if they are gay are not at least that was how I felt before I stated reading Threads like this...NOW I want there to be a Gay character more than I want to know who Jacob is...because... why not?
There are gay characters in the writers room why not on the Island it would thicken the plot and add a little more spice to the stew. It would also be groundbreaking & cool.

But an equally good reason to have a Gay character is that it pushes so many peoples buttons and brings out the worse in so many...obviously more exposure is needed. Gay people are still treated like aliens from another planet(especially in hollywood where a quiet don't ask don't tell kinda of gay bashing constantly goes on) and what better place for aliens than the Island.

I'm a human being, an actor, a professional successful person with friends & family and I'm gay, amoung other things.
I'm also a big fan of LOST since day one. Cause I love good Story telling & I love good Acting (they don't have to be gay stories or about gay people...luckly, otherwise my entertainment choices would be very limited) I also love mystery & fantasy and having my brain stimulated all things Lost does for me ten fold.

I never even thought about a gay character until the show and or creators put that thought in my mind...granted my mind was a willing receptor...but i was not sitting around wishing for that or thinking that's what's missing here a gay character I was happily occupied just trying to kep up & enjoy this unigue & fun ride.....
but then THEY planted the seed....."don't worry, Kate, you're not my type" smiles Tom....throwing the "G" word around in interviews...
& now the seed has grown into a smokey sized monster...
I'm convinced the Island needs a gay, LOST needs a gay, the world needs a gay...just to piss everybody off if for no other reason.

Now if they drop the ball and let the gay oppurtunity slip through their open(4)toed shoes not only will they disappoint me & let me down but they will have done a dis-service to us all really..don't you think.

PS

When I was saying in the earlier post that out of all the people on the island I wasn't just counting the plane people I was including so many others we know just for statistics sake. Still a plane from down under to LA and not one of them gay not even a flight attendent? Then a bunch of people in a neat little retro village, who love book clubs & dressing up in costumes & make-up! Who are fasinated with the Wizard of OZ (Hello?), are into bondage, sweaty men in cages & voyueristic spy cam sex.....and not a gay one in the bunch come on.....I'm just saying!!

and mostly playing by the way???

Nah, that just makes Nikki Supreme Island Bitch; way above the cool Others Sherrif. If I was "told" to get up into a precariously balanced airplane in such a sitch, you'd better be sure I'd be just as "cooperative" as Paulo. Locke was just more persuasive.

and what better place for aliens than the Island.




haha, love it...

although i agree that making boone gay/bi is a bad cop-out, i don't think people on this thread understand what being bi means. on the kinsey scale that mean's you're a 3, as in equally heterosexual and homosexual. so, basically anyone you've seen in relationships with the opposite sex doesn't rule them out for having "gay tendancies" or gay relationships. so they're straight when they're with the opposite sex? and then gay again when that relationship goes down the tubes and finds someone of the same sex? and then straight again when that relationship goes down the tubes and finds someone of the opposite sex? they still have that other 50% of them inside themselves even when the 50% showing is being public.

while i know the producers or whoever said "gay character" so i know bi and most likely lesbian characters are out of the question, i just wanted to clear up that it could be possible that anyone on the island has "gay tendancies" and it would make sense. the writers would have to do it gracefully of course, i mean they can't just have kate hitting on claire or something, but if they show them getting closer and closer as friends first and then kate saying something.

My take? All this talk about Boone being gay is useless.
My feeling is that it is Ben. If in fact TPTB were serious about the reveal being not 'in your face', then it can't be Boone. Shannon's airport comment would have made it obvious. Subtlety is a lost art, and I think Juliet is quite 'artistic'... ;)
This just makes me love the Ben character even more, and Michael Emerson just jumped about a hundred points on my coolness scale.


I think he played Oscar Wilde in a play once, and it covered that part of his life.

I dont think Boone is gay at all, he slept with Shannon not long before the crash and was with someone in his flashback I believe.