So, could someone who noted the timeline and knew what shot that was of Jack on the monitor tell me when that scene with Ben and Juliet took place? They were just then formulating the plan to take Jack, Kate and Sawyer and exploit Jack's emotional weakness to get him to do the surgery (so much more sensible than asking Ben!). But when did this happen in relation to Michael's disappearance? We know it was before Ben's capture. So what was Ben walking into Lostie camp for when he was caught?

When did that scene take place exactly?

I know, I was so confused by this! I have no idea how this lined up with the rest of the timeline, which is annoying because that scene was easily the most interesting one in the whole episode.

Yes it was confusing. I would wager that since Ben said Michael would bring them the three people that this occurs after Walt is captured, otherwise they would have no leverage with Michael. However, if it occured in season 2 then Ben would have had to know that Michael and Sawyer made it back to the island, instead of being blown up or dying at sea.

Where exactly WAS Jack when they were monitoring him? I thought I heard the coundown for the Swan hatch button to be pushed. I'm sure we'll have a screen cap of that soon.

As I said earlier in another thread, Ben went and got himself caught to infiltrate the Losties and manipulate them, and he did a darn good job, didn't he? :)

BTW, that all went on on Day 49, 8 days after Boone died if that helps the perspective of it all

As I said earlier in another thread, Ben went and got himself caught to infiltrate the Losties and manipulate them, and he did a darn good job, didn't he? :)

BTW, that all went on on Day 49, 8 days after Boone died if that helps the perspective of it all

Do you mean the day Ben got caught or this conversation between Ben and juliet in the pearl?

I know, I was so confused by this! I have no idea how this lined up with the rest of the timeline, which is annoying because that scene was easily the most interesting one in the whole episode.


That was the most interesting one in the episode. Well that and the preview for next week. I just assumed it was shown when they were in the hatch. It looked like he was sitting down..wasn't here a kitchen down in the hatch?

That seems like there'd be wreckage everywhere.
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That seems like there'd be wreckage everywhere. Are we sure he didn't do it before Boone died?

When Ben and Juliet were watchinig, it was from Collision. Kate just came into the hatch, and Jack was about to go to Shannon's funeral. They seem to know pretty early that they would use Michael to get the triangle to them.

As I said earlier in another thread, Ben went and got himself caught to infiltrate the Losties and manipulate them, and he did a darn good job, didn't he? :)

BTW, that all went on on Day 49, 8 days after Boone died if that helps the perspective of it all

But if this took place that early, that was around the time Shannon died. That was before Michael used the computer to communicate with Walt and before he was captured by the Others. It was also before the Hunting Party which only makes it more confusing. If Ben knew he wanted J/K/S before the Hunting Party, why didn't they take them then? I had thought that maybe they didn't know they wanted them then but this shows clearly they did.

All this shows was that they purposely lured Michael out there to somehow get at J/K/S to do the surgery. That only makes it more nonsensical and doesn't explain why it was all so complicated. They ended up capturing them in THP, letting them go and then sending Michael back to let Ben go free and lure them back over there again. If they just would have taken them in THP, Ben wouldn't have needed to even go there.

Am I going in circles or is this making sense? :confused:

Actually you are making sense PJ, the hunting party always seems to screws up the plotline, this may be a question for Gregg.

One other thought, if this happenned after Boone died, didn't the airplane fall on top of the entrance to the pearl? If so , how did Paulo get inside?

I think the scene took place sometime around Collision. The vidoe monitor of Jack looked like he might have been tending over Sawyer. Kate comes in to take over. I think Ben wanted to get himself captured so he could scout out the Losties before doing any kidnapping, thus not kidnapping them during The Hunting Party. Perhaps, he needed to know for sure what was important to Jack.

Did anyone hear the initial dialog between Juliet and Ben when they first came down into the Pearl.

Ben: "Who left this open?"
Juliet: "Tom was here a few days ago"
Ben: "Tell him to cover it up with the plane"

This explains how Paulo got in and out of the Pearl, but Locke and Eko had to move the plane. Interesting because it means Tom was watching the Losties also.

One other thought, if this happenned after Boone died, didn't the airplane fall on top of the entrance to the pearl? If so , how did Paulo get inside?

Yet another good question pen! Locke and Eko sure didn't find it easily.


I think Ben wanted to get himself captured so he could scout out the Losties before doing any kidnapping, thus not kidnapping them during The Hunting Party. Perhaps, he needed to know for sure what was important to Jack.



Thanks for pointing that bit out about Tom. I missed that. But about this, didn't Juliet mention Kate and Sawyer? Sounded like they already knew they needed those three. And I don't know how Ben could have learned anything about the triangle from being in the Swan. Kate and Sawyer were never there. It was all Jack and Locke.

I meant What Kate Did not Collision.

What I found interesting about this whole scene was that Juliet had never seen Jack before. They have this apparently huge file on him, but no picture?

great scene

what would of happened if he warned jack

great scene

what would of happened if he warned jack

Well the show would be quite different and probably not as interesting. ;)

I thought this was after Shannon died but before Boone died. I can't remember the episode title but someone mentioned What Kate Did and that sounds about right.

The obvious reason that J/K/S weren't taken by the others in The Hunting party is because they didn't want Locke. And they didn't want him involved in it at all.


I thought this was after Shannon died but before Boone died. I can't remember the episode title but someone mentioned What Kate Did and that sounds about right.

Boone died before Shannon died, by the way.

The obvious reason that J/K/S weren't taken by the others in The Hunting party is because they didn't want Locke. And they didn't want him involved in it at all.




Boone died before Shannon died, by the way.

Yes, I meant to write it that way. It's been a looong day. Must get some sleep. :drowsy:

But if this took place that early, that was around the time Shannon died. That was before Michael used the computer to communicate with Walt
So, that is why The Others pretended to be Walt to communicate with Michael by computer! They neeeded Michael. They had to force him to go for his son

The obvious reason that J/K/S weren't taken by the others in The Hunting party is because they didn't want Locke. And they didn't want him involved in it at all.


No, they needed Locke to be at the Swan to make sure that he stopped pushing that button. Another example of Ben exploiting what somebody is emotionally invested in.

The morning of "What Kate Did". Same shot:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-829-157.html
Ben mentions that to get Jack, Sawyer and Kate he will use Michael. Later that day, Michael gets his first computer message from "Walt"!