Where the heck did Ben and Juliet come from? They didn't climb down the ladder did they? There must be a hidden door leading to an underground corridor somewhere in the Pearl hatch.

One of them said "Who left the door open?" so I took that to mean the door to the video monitor room, and that the came in from some other door, not climbing down.
I think it's fairly obvious that all of the hatches are connected, from the blast door map information. I wonder if they walked all the way underground from Otherville? If you walk underground you don't have to bypass the security fence?
Note that they were wearing the raggedy clothes and no shoes, though, so maybe they were walking above ground and staying in their undercover garb.

I looked like there was another tunnel just going off to the side. Why didn't the losties investigate this on thier previous two trips to the Pearl?

One of them said "Who left the door open?"

I took that to mean the door Paulo came in. He probably left it open when he came down. So, if they don't use that door, wouldn't that have been suspicious to them?

Yeah it's likely they were walking underground otherwise they would have been smack dab in Smokey terriory, though LL is right it is weird for them to wear the costumes if they were underground the whole time.

I was just about to post this question myself.

Locke & Eko, Paolo and the team that went with Locke later, all went in through the hatch - straight down. As Ben & Juliet were leaving they were going down a hallway that we had not seen previously.

They were talking about coving the door back up with the plane, so unless theres another plane in an underground tunnel, I guess they meant the hatch. :biggrin:

I think that there is a secret/hidden corridor somewhere..I mean they could have climbed down but I doubt it.

When Ben and Juliet were looking at the screen I couldn't quite tell what Jack was doing. Was he tending to Libby?

They came down the ladder. There has always been a corridor going from the ladder to the main room (see ? and Cost of Living). The initial dialog between Ben and Juliet says:

Ben: "Who left this open?"
Juliet: "Tom was down here a few days ago."
Ben: "Tell him to cover it up with the plane."

This also explains how Paulo got down and back out of the Pearl, but why Locke and Eko had to move the plane first.

They came down the ladder. There has always been a corridor going from the ladder to the main room (see ? and Cost of Living). The initial dialog between Ben and Juliet says:

Ben: "Who left this open?"
Juliet: "Tom was down here a few days ago."
Ben: "Tell him to cover it up with the plane."

This also explains how Paulo got down and back out of the Pearl, but why Locke and Eko had to move the plane first.



What? I am pretty sure that it was because of Boone that the plane was on the door, not beaucse of Tom moving it.

What? I am pretty sure that it was because of Boone that the plane was on the door, not beaucse of Tom moving it.
It was after Eko and Locke moved the plane, so they knew that the plane HAD fallen on it but they didn't know why it had been moved since it fell, I think.

What? I am pretty sure that it was because of Boone that the plane was on the door, not beaucse of Tom moving it.

No, that's not what I meant. When Paulo goes down to the Pearl to hide the diamonds it was day 48 or 49. The plane had already fallen, and Boone had already died. If the plane had fallen on the hatch initially he probably would have had a hard time getting it. The quotes from Ben and Juliet, imply that the plane did not actually fall on the hatch but was moved there prior to Locke and Eko finding it. The other option is Tom moved the plane when he visited the Pearl prior to Paulo (as quoted by Juliet). Make sense?

What? I am pretty sure that it was because of Boone that the plane was on the door, not beaucse of Tom moving it.

Yes, I thought so too! It was still in the tree when Locke asked him to climb up and then it fell... But Boone died before they went in the hatch, right? So how could Ben and Juliet have seen Jack in the hatch on the monitor? That means Boone was already dead when Paulo went into the Pearl but the plane would've already fallen on the door?!!

And why would Ben think of covering the door with the plane? Especially since they obviously use the hatch?

Pretty sure they just came down the ladder.

Maybe Jack wasn't in the hatch? Maybe there is another camera somewhere..but no that wouldn't make that much since either!?:huh: TPTB have better address this in the podcast!

Yes, I thought so too! It was still in the tree when Locke asked him to climb up and then it fell... But Boone died before they went in the hatch, right? So how could Ben and Juliet have seen Jack in the hatch on the monitor? That means Boone was already dead when Paulo went into the Pearl but the plane would've already fallen on the door?!!

And why would Ben think of covering the door with the plane? Especially since they obviously use the hatch?

You're mixing up the visits in the Pearl presented in Expose. When Pikki first encounter the Pearl, the plane is still in the tree. Before this scene, it is stated 70 days ago or something like that. When Paulo enters the Pearl alone, it was day 49, after the plane had fallen and Boone had died. This occurs around the time of What Kate Did (2x09). The point I was making above was that the plane didn't actually fall on the door. Based on the dialog between Ben and Juliet, Tom moved the plane to hide the door. This explains how Paulo could get into the Pearl. Thus, when Locke and Ben arrived they had to move the plane.
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Ben wanted to cover the Pearl with the plane to keep the Losties from finding it. Little did he know they already had and would again.

But if Paulo was inside the Pearl when Juliet and Ben left, and Ben said to put the plane over the door, how did Paulo get out? Did they come back later after Paulo left to put the plane over the door?

You're mixing up the visits in the Pearl presented in Expose. When Pikki first encounter the Pearl, the plane is still in the tree. Before this scene, it is stated 70 days ago or something like that. When Paulo enters the Pearl alone, it was day 49, after the plane had fallen and Boone had died. This occurs around the time of What Kate Did (2x09). The point I was making above was that the plane didn't actually fall on the door. Based on the dialog between Ben and Juliet, Tom moved the plane to hide the door. This explains how Paulo could get into the Pearl. Thus, when Locke and Ben arrived they had to move the plane.
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Ben wanted to cover the Pearl with the plane to keep the Losties from finding it. Little did he know they already had and would again.

Different plane. the one on the pearl was the one that eko's brother was in.

Same plane. Sorry, I'm sleepy!!:)

Here's the timeline as far as I can figure from the times shown in the episode plus what's on Lostpedia:

Day 23 - Pikki find the Nigierian Plane and the Pearl hatch
Day 41 - Boone and the plane fall but do not cover the Pearl hatch entrance
Day 42 - Locke shows Sayid the plane
Day 48 - A busy day, Paulo takes the diamonds to the Pearl, hides from Ben and Juliet, Shannon is shot and killed, Cindy is taken.
Day 48 or 49 - Tom uses the plane to cover the Pearl hatch
Day 50 - Eko and Charlie burn the plane
Day 65 - Eko and Locke move the plane off the Pearl hatch cover
Day 66 - Locke and Desmond go to the Pearl and retrieve the event log
Day 72 - Locke, Sayid and Pikki go to the Pearl. Paulo retrieves the diamonds and Patchy is seen on the monitor
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But if Paulo was inside the Pearl when Juliet and Ben left, and Ben said to put the plane over the door, how did Paulo get out? Did they come back later after Paulo left to put the plane over the door?

I'd guess Tom was busy kidnapping Cindy and moved the plane over the Pearl later. So Paulo was able to make his escape from being buried alive, that time around.

Here's the timeline as far as I can figure from the times shown in the episode plus what's on Lostpedia:

Day 23 - Pikki find the Nigierian Plane and the Pearl hatch
Day 41 - Boone and the plane fall but do not cover the Pearl hatch entrance
Day 42 - Locke shows Sayid the plane
Day 48 - A busy day, Paulo takes the diamonds to the Pearl, hides from Ben and Juliet, Shannon is shot and killed, Cindy is taken.
Day 48 or 49 - Tom uses the plane to cover the Pearl hatch
Day 50 - Eko and Charlie burn the plane
Day 65 - Eko and Locke move the plane off the Pearl hatch cover
Day 66 - Locke and Desmond go to the Pearl and retrieve the event log
Day 72 - Locke, Sayid and Pikki go to the Pearl. Paulo retrieves the diamonds and Patchy is seen on the monitor

Exactly. The key piece of info for me was the exchange between Ben and Juliet about using the plane to cover the Pearl hatch. Otherwise, we assumed the plane fell right on the Pearl hatch.
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But if Paulo was inside the Pearl when Juliet and Ben left, and Ben said to put the plane over the door, how did Paulo get out? Did they come back later after Paulo left to put the plane over the door?

Ben told Juliet to tell Tom to put the plane over the door, implying that Tom would have to come back at some later time to do it. I don't think he was currently with them.

The only thing preventing me from being completely on board with Ben and Juliet climbing down the ladder and not entering from an alternate entrance is the dialogue.

Assuming they were walking above ground and entered by climbing down the ladder, why would Ben wait for say, I don't know, the whole 5 minute descent before asking why the hatch door was left open. I would think something like that would trigger a quicker reaction. Ben sees it, he says something about it soon after.

So the fact that they're already well into the Pearl when he mentions the open hatch door makes me think that they might have entered through door number 2.

I imagine it was for our (the audience's) benefit. If that dialog wasn't there, you would see dozens of posts about continuity errors (e.g. how did Paulo move the plane and how did the plane get back for Locke and Eko, etc.)

i was really hoping that paulo was going to get locked in the hatch by ben and juliet! hahhaha

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=63636

In the above post from The Cost of Living, there is a discussion about when the group was in the Pearl station and how they had all missed a lit cigarette. The discussion goes on about there having to be a hidden corridor/exit of some kind where someone could make a quick getaway.

There are some other interesting things related to this in this post worth looking back on in retrospect.

The layout of the Pearl is confusing. I'm willing to say Ben and Juliet were seen coming the same way as everyone else has, rather than through a just opened tunnel entrance, but I think there's a continuity error in the layout somewhere. I'll have to rewatch the other eps.

all of the hatches are connected through tunnels.

all of the hatches are connected through tunnels.
That's what I thought too. Thought Ben and Juliet's reaction to the open hatch door to be too understated.

"Hey look, the hatch door is open."
"Guess Tom forgot to close it."
"Jack's cute"
BWAHHHHHH!!!!!!

Yeah it's likely they were walking underground otherwise they would have been smack dab in Smokey terriory, though LL is right it is weird for them to wear the costumes if they were underground the whole time.

I think that they are the Other's version of military clothing that they wear out in the field. It serves as clothing that can be beat up while away form the "barracks" and also to make the survivors think that they are "ruffing" it as well. So even if they took the tunnels it makes sense to wear them since they were "off base".

Also, it HAD to be a tunnel. Because the hatch is locked from the top and they know it. That's why they didnt bother to check the ladder.Why go in from the top when you move around in the cut?
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Ok I just watched it again.

Ben-"Who left this open?"
Juliet-"Tom was down here a couple of days ago."
Ben-"Have him cover it up with the plane."

Which means they were completely done with that hatch.

So since this is an episode of CSI:LOST, I have to say I was wrong and the evidence says there is no tunnel. Paulo should be glad that Ben screwed up.

I just looked the first scene with Locke and Eko in the Pearl ("?" ep), and the short "L" corridor from the ladder to the room matches the one we saw Ben and Juliet enter through. So it's not a tunnel. Though the way they filmed them made it look like they came from the left of the the monitors, rather than from the opposite side of the room. That was the source of confusion I think.

So, the Pearl's layout is a rectangle. When you come down from the ladder you turn 180, take a few steps straight away from it, turn left a couple steps to face the monitor wall on the opposite side with the bathroom door on your immediate left, and tube, printer, shelves etc..on your right.

The one question remaining is why Ben and Juliet didn't close and lock the hatch after leaving, which would have locked Paulo in. They must have left it open then. I see no way around it.

It suggests they knew Paulo was in there.

Yeah it's likely they were walking underground otherwise they would have been smack dab in Smokey terriory, though LL is right it is weird for them to wear the costumes if they were underground the whole time.

It would not necessarily have been weird since at that time they had Michael. They were holding him in that fake out campsite and bunker. Those were the clothes most of the people were wearing when we saw that flashback episode. They probably didn't want to get their normal clothes dirty walking either above ground or below. I think there is another way into that hatch b/c it is kind of close to the losties camp and they wouldn't want to risk getting caught.

Assuming they were walking above ground and entered by climbing down the ladder, why would Ben wait for say, I don't know, the whole 5 minute descent before asking why the hatch door was left open. I would think something like that would trigger a quicker reaction. Ben sees it, he says something about it soon after.

I agree. Something here isn't ringing right. Not only do we not know how Ben and Juliet arrived at the Pearl, we don't know exactly how anybody left the Pearl, do we?

It would not necessarily have been weird since at that time they had Michael. They were holding him in that fake out campsite and bunker.

The capture of Micheal was about 3 or 4 days away at that point. This episode's events happened on day 48 or 49, depending on how you count day one, while Micheal wasn't captured until day 52 after he went looking for Walt after the Swan 'IM' session.

So the fact that they're already well into the Pearl when he mentions the open hatch door makes me think that they might have entered through door number 2.But if there's another way into the Pearl, why would Tom be using the hatch entrance? I think the dialogue was timed for the viewer's benefit.

Yeah it's likely they were walking underground...

In the Official Lost podcast, the producers suggested we would see another VW like the maintenance van before the end of this season. Is it possible that the hatches are connected not by walking tunnels but by driving tunnels. Also possible there are roads on the surface connecting the hatches that our losties have somehow failed to discover.

It would explain alot if the hostiles were able to move around this island in vehicles.

Maybe the Sound of the Smoke monster is actually a diesel engine 30 years overdue for a tune up!;)