where is the importance of this? locke said to paolo its winter refering to the shoreline, nikki said it recently was thanksgiving ... and we know from last epi season 2 pennys search crew was in the snow and winter ... does this give any clue as to where the island is or climate control?

...not in the Southern Hemisphere, it isn't.

And why would Paulo care about Thanksgiving anyway?

I think it was just establishiing the time line as to how long they have been on the island. Trying to connect the weather to Penny, might be a bit of a stretch, even for Lost. (IMO)

where is the importance of this? locke said to paolo its winter refering to the shoreline, nikki said it recently was thanksgiving ... and we know from last epi season 2 pennys search crew was in the snow and winter ... does this give any clue as to where the island is or climate control?

No, it means that we know what time it is, and that we must not forget it's only winter, and they're only around 80 days on the island.

how do we know the two arnt american?

...not in the Southern Hemisphere, it isn't.

And why would Paulo care about Thanksgiving anyway?

Excellent question, Layla. I thought the same thing.
Anyone in Brazil, or familiar with traditions of Brazil: Is Thanksgiving celebrated there?

Locke said it was winter and the beach would erode. But, It wouldn't be winter in the southern hemisphere. fall and winter in North America is spring and summer in Austrailia and the southern hemisphere. Are tptb working on a theme as mentioned above, or was it a goof?:redface: :confused:

and we know from last epi season 2 pennys search crew was in the snow and winter ... does this give any clue as to where the island is or climate control?

i didn't think of penny's search crew being in snow due to it being winter. i thought that they were in antarctica since it's somewhat near where desmond was.

Nikki would have been talking about the American Thanksgiving, celebrated in November. That's a strictly US holiday, as it celebrates a feast between Native Americans and pilgrims who landed at Plymoth rock. While other countries have analogous holidays (I think the Canadian Thanksgiving is in October some time), I don't think Brazil celebrates the US Thanksgiving in November.

...not in the Southern Hemisphere, it isn't.

And why would Paulo care about Thanksgiving anyway?


Because his girlfriend Nikki is American and she cares about it so he would probably be intersested in it

winter.

Locke has a 'communion' with the island. i dont see how he would be confused about this.

could be a clue to the fact that the island is in the northern hemisphere.

Thanksgiving is not celebrated in Brazil. I've never lived in Brazil, but I did visit when I lived in Argentina, which shares a border with Brazil, and I can tell you that most Brazillians would only have a vague idea of what Thanksgiving is based on what they've seen in the media. Do you celebrate Carnival?? (sorry not trying to be rude just couldn't help myself)

I must admit I was kind of upset by Locke's comment about it being winter. I understand it's an easy mistake to make if you're from America or Europe or whatever, but after doing the show for 3 years they think they would have figured out that the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere.

Do you celebrate Carnival??
Yes, but we call it Mardi Gras.

I understand it's an easy mistake to make if you're from America or Europe or whatever, but after doing the show for 3 years they think they would have figured out that the seasons are reversed in the Southern Hemisphere.
Uhm ... no one ever said that the island is in the southern hemisphere.

Uhm ... no one ever said that the island is in the southern hemisphere.
It is generally assumed as they were flying from Australia and werent flying very long when the plane crashed also the pilot mentioned something about Fiji.
It should be Summer for them now, might feel strange for the Americans there to celebrate Thanksgiving in Summer but I think Locke made a mistake. or something just doesnt add up:confused:

Locke is from California. He may have just been making a statement that "oh, winter is here". Where he is from, winter is starting. I mean, with everything that is going on on the island, he just may have had other things on his mind than making sure that his season terminology is correct. He recognized that the tides were changing and though 'well, its Decemeber, oh that's winter'.

Sometimes I think TPTB throw in nonsense cause they know they we all think about every line and every frame too much. I picture them sittign in a room thinking "What small detail can we thrown in there to mess the viewers this week?"

Uhm ... no one ever said that the island is in the southern hemisphere.

If the pilot was telling the truth about turning around and the plane hasn't magically warped to somewhere else, it is completely certain they are south of the equator.

...Do you celebrate Carnival?? (sorry not trying to be rude just couldn't help myself)...

umm, of course we do, it's called Mardi Gras because in the US we use the French/Creole term. Both Irish and Italian Catholics, who make up a sizeable impact on US culture have big dinners and things prior to Lent.

Don

Just for the record, I was only trying to offer a non-Anglo-American perspective, which can be so omnipresent that it can drown out other cultures. I diidn't mean to offend any of you lent-celebraters out there, sorry if I did.

I'm getting the impression that some of you think Carnival is synonymous with Mardi Gras, which it is not. I have celebrated both Mardi Gras in New Orleans and Carnival in Argentina, and I can assure you that whether or not they share a common religous ancestry, they are not the same thing. Having said that, Carnival itself varies alot throughout Latin America, Carnival in Argentina, Rio, and the Dominican Republic, etc. are all different, usually borrowing from and blending with the respective local culture. None of them are Mardi Gras.

Really I'm not trying to be rude, and don't want to offend anyone, but I must say that the idea that Carnival and Mardi Gras are one in the same, is again, just flattening other cultures to make them more palatable to American sensibilities.

In regard to the Island not being in the Southern Hemisphere, I suppose it's possible, anything is in the show, but it would go against everything that we have learned so far. The Island being in the South Pacific, in particular, has been mentioned on many occasions. I have also heard some pretty good theories that would put it in the Indian Ocean, closer to Africa, which would still be in the Southern Hemiispehre. But ultimately, I guess you're right; we don't know for sure where the island is.

i think the "winter" comment was just made to define the timeline. because of their location (which presumably is tropical or semi-tropical since i dont know many islands far north of the equator that have that much jungle), they wouldnt get snow. doesnt matter if they're north of the equator or south of the equator. they would however, notice shifts in the weather. maybe a monsoon or two.

Excellent question, Layla. I thought the same thing.
Anyone in Brazil, or familiar with traditions of Brazil: Is Thanksgiving celebrated there?

why in hell would Brazil be celebrating thanksgiving

Locke is a smart guy. I don't think he would not make that kind of mistake about being winter when in fact it was summer south of the equator. He seems to be a walking encyclopedia.

Excellent question, Layla. I thought the same thing.
Anyone in Brazil, or familiar with traditions of Brazil: Is Thanksgiving celebrated there?
Nop...we don't...it wouldn't make any sense...

About Locke saying that is winter in the Island, most prolly the writers made that confusion. If they crashed in southern Pacific, it must be summer.

i think the "winter" comment was just made to define the timeline. because of their location (which presumably is tropical or semi-tropical since i dont know many islands far north of the equator that have that much jungle), they wouldnt get snow. doesnt matter if they're north of the equator or south of the equator. they would however, notice shifts in the weather. maybe a monsoon or two.

Seems as if they are just keeping us aware of the passage of time, but
didn't Darlton say that at some point (maybe last year or something) they would be facing the effects of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

Seems as if they are just keeping us aware of the passage of time, but
didn't Darlton say that at some point (maybe last year or something) they would be facing the effects of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

If the island is indeed in the South Pacific somewhere between Australia and Fiji, there is NO WAY it is impacted by the Tsunami of 2004. However, if the island "somehow" is in the middle of Indian Ocean, that could potentially be the series finale (the village being wiped out by the tsunami), unless of course if they are in a different time altogether.

Locke is a smart guy. I don't think he would not make that kind of mistake about being winter when in fact it was summer south of the equator. He seems to be a walking encyclopedia.

I've lost faith in the writers automatically suspending ethnocentricity after Claire "couldn't afford" her mother's medical care in Australia.

Looking at a map of the Pacific and the most likely Sydney-L.A. air route, if they'd already passed the equator it would appear to make more sense for the pilot to bank for Hawaii rather than turn back towards Fiji.

So it makes the most sense to me that they are likely in the South Pacific and the writers have Locke refer to winter because it makes more sense to the majority of American viewers.

I've lost faith in the writers automatically suspending ethnocentricity after Claire "couldn't afford" her mother's medical care in Australia.

Looking at a map of the Pacific and the most likely Sydney-L.A. air route, if they'd already passed the equator it would appear to make more sense for the pilot to bank for Hawaii rather than turn back towards Fiji.

So it makes the most sense to me that they are likely in the South Pacific and the writers have Locke refer to winter because it makes more sense to the majority of American viewers.

Yeah, that bit about Christian paying the bills was kind of ridiculous. For sure it's an easy mistake to makes if you are from a country that doesn't have public health care, but Australia is such and important part of Lost that you think TPTB would have done their homework.

And, I just found poof that they are in the Southern Hemisphere! I have not seen this myself, but apparently the big dipper has appeared in the show "upside down". Unless the stars are all painted on the inside of a dome ;) this pretty much seals the deal. I also doubt that Hawaii is far enough south for this to happen there, so I think TPTB "flipped" the sky deliberately. So regarding this issue they definitely did their homework.

I am really hoping that his comment about winter is to set up a future Christmas episode-it would be a classic. Sawyer can play secret santa with all the stuff he's hidden over the months, Hurley can cook a Christmas wild boar (if they can catch one), and Aaron can be the little baby Jesus (he already has a manger thanks to Locke). Too bad Eko isn't around to carve the meat.

It would be great..

see, this is why i think paw (producers and writers)
should have included a time stamp on scenes.

it gives us a point of reference as to when things
are happening.

i don't subscribe to the notion that, "well, paw just
wants us to figure it all our on our own and they
know better than us so we should never
complain."


i noticed that no one - besides nikki -
has made any reference to the actual
calender date. no references to
up-coming holidays like halloween,
thxgiving, the new year, etc.

if i were marooned on an island i would
certainly wonder what was going on
in the real world and what date it was.

keeping track of time by the actual date
as well as "x days on the island" is more
realistic.

also, you would have thought that by now locke and
especially arzt would have made a comment
about it being summer in the south pacfic.

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in my version of lost...

"dude, it's halloween. is that your costume?"

"what? i'm dressed as a rock star.
what the frack is halloween?"

on a side note: i want to hear charlie say,
"foster's. it's australian for bee'ar."

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Yeah, that bit about Christian paying the bills was kind of ridiculous. For sure it's an easy mistake to makes if you are from a country that doesn't have public health care, but Australia is such and important part of Lost that you think TPTB would have done their homework.

And, I just found poof that they are in the Southern Hemisphere! I have not seen this myself, but apparently the big dipper has appeared in the show "upside down". Unless the stars are all painted on the inside of a dome ;) this pretty much seals the deal. I also doubt that Hawaii is far enough south for this to happen there, so I think TPTB "flipped" the sky deliberately. So regarding this issue they definitely did their homework.

It's been discussed here before, but the bit about Christian paying the bills was for Claire's mother to have amenities such as a private room that are not covered under standard free health care.

It's been discussed here before, but the bit about Christian paying the bills was for Claire's mother to have amenities such as a private room that are not covered under standard free health care.

Where did you hear that?? I could have missed it, but I keep up pretty well with podcasts and TPTB interviews and haven't heard anything about that.

Where did you hear that?? I could have missed it, but I keep up pretty well with podcasts and TPTB interviews and haven't heard anything about that.

Not from TPTB, but people here who have direct experience with such things. I'll try to find a link to the discussion.

And here it is:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=72573

The discussions about people in social medicine countries having to pay more for amenities and private rooms is a couple of pages in.