View Full Version : Sick Ending to a Totally Pointless Episode
themeangel 03-29-2007, 03:10 AM This has to rate as one of the most Pointless Episodes,
for 2 of the most pointless characters to ever grace this Series!!
What was the point of these Characters??
They made such a big deal of getting this guy to be on the show last summer.
They give him or her no real storyline.
And kill both of them off in what is even a gross for LOST.
Burying them alive was a little sick for this show.
But then this episode was stupid all the way around.
The only thing it moved in the storyline was the bit about
Sun finding out who really kidnapped her.
And it was great to See Shannon & Boone again.
But it was a Shame they gave them so little to do.
ULTRAviolence 03-29-2007, 03:12 AM ugh. some people are impossible to please. Expose was awesome.
lostandfound13 03-29-2007, 03:12 AM quit watching the show then.
lockesmithe 03-29-2007, 03:15 AM Poisoners being buried alive while under the effects of poison=fun. Gotta have a sense of humor.
Teh_J 03-29-2007, 03:17 AM I thought it was quite fitting myself. I liked it a lot.
MadAxes 03-29-2007, 03:18 AM hurley and the car was pointless ... atleast we found out the others know bout all the hatches and visit them when needed ... got to see old characters ... and it ended great ... i am one who hates off topic episodes and it wasnt great but it was decent and somewhat necessary bcuz they introduced these pointless characters ... most of season 2 was pointless especially the crap about the tail section ... but hurley and the car, damn downright retarded
He11FiRe 03-29-2007, 03:18 AM After what they did to Oldy McGhee in Australia did they deserve any less?
I thought it was weird that they tried to make Paolo sympathetic and then still killed him off, though.
sheba 03-29-2007, 03:21 AM I totally agree with your points, but I believe the comments belong in either the "didn't love it" thread or the "rate the episode" thread.
This thread just duplicates sentiments already with thread representation and makes wading through this forum MUCH more difficult fot everyone.
carnitman 03-29-2007, 03:25 AM i thought this was one of the best (if not the best) episodes of the season. the problem with lost this season is that everyone is so up in arms about GETTING ANSWERS. these states of mind need to die, because they're ruining lost. i love answers, but i don't wanna just be jerked around for 42 minutes to get them. this is one of the first episodes this season that was able to relax and really flesh out the story at hand. (Nikki & Paulo) and whether you like the two of them or not, this is still the way episodes should be laid out. The burying of Nikki and Paulo alive was the cherry on top. it did make me feel sick, and that's a good thing. it's a rare thing for a show to be able to make you feel that way physically.
PS: if anyone else starts going on about "WHERE DID ALL THOSE SPIDERS COME FROM?" i'm going to punch them in the face. i consider myself to be a "lite" geek, and i already understand it. get with the program.
Tom_Sawyer5 03-29-2007, 03:36 AM na, don't be naive, it did answer questions that were never asked, but it was a typical filler episode. Couldn't be more obvious.
penumbra 03-29-2007, 04:35 AM DIAMOND THIEVES ARE PARALYZED BY SPIDER VENOM AND THEN BURIED ALIVE. If that doesn't appeal to you, then I.. well I really don't know what to say.
RodimusBen 03-29-2007, 08:33 AM Yeah, this was a great episode. It had a whole bunch of little tidbits that combined to make it fun. The little bits we get to see from the past made it like a reunion episode, as someone else said in another thread. We learned a little more about the Others, got to re-live some great stuff from season 1, and we got to see island life from the redshirts' perspective. Little revelations like that fact that Pikki were the first to discover the Pearl were great! And the ending was indeed fitting, though disturbing.
Sorry the OP didn't like it, but I think you are in the minority there. As soon as people start complaining about "pointless" episodes, they seem to forget that it's a TV show for entertainment, and that people like the show for different reasons-- not everybody who watches it is a mythology buff.
PINK FREUD 03-29-2007, 09:05 AM I cant believe they gave themselves such a pass on the Charlie / Sawyer abduction mess from last year...that was a really silly plot device last year and this was a cheezy way to get out of it.
Up until then I was kinda having fun with this eppy...
missioni 03-29-2007, 09:10 AM This episode had a point and it was completely clear. To create a new catch phrase.... RAZZLE DAZZLE!!! I'm going to be spreading it everywhere I go from now on. RAZZLE DAZZLE. (it's so much better than the hamburglar's "Robble Robble".
BollyJack 03-29-2007, 09:12 AM I cant believe they gave themselves such a pass on the Charlie / Sawyer abduction mess from last year...that was a really silly plot device last year and this was a cheezy way to get out of it.
Up until then I was kinda having fun with this eppy...
wait until Jin finds out though, now that will be a whole episode
danl08 03-29-2007, 09:17 AM karma is a bitch my friend
hotmutha69 03-29-2007, 09:23 AM Point was, they needed someone to use to tie all the strings together. Brilliantly done I might add.
lostlocke 03-29-2007, 09:25 AM This episode had a point and it was completely clear. To create a new catch phrase.... RAZZLE DAZZLE!!! I'm going to be spreading it everywhere I go from now on. RAZZLE DAZZLE. (it's so much better than the hamburglar's "Robble Robble".
Very funny!!! I found everything Nikki said pretty much annoying and when she said that it was ridiculous and annoying!
tatoomahmut 03-29-2007, 09:53 AM Does anyone else think that the TPTB created this episode to address the fact that most viewers absolutely despised these two characters? I feel like they may have had bigger plans for Paolo and Nikki but due to the negative reaction they were getting decided not only to kill them off, but to really satisfy us with a fulfilling demise....and a fabulous reunion of dead characters.
In my opinion, this was an absolutely fantastic episode! I agree with what someone said earlier about not worrying about getting answers at every turn, and that people watch the show for different reasons.
I mean come on, I love the show How I Met Your Mother too, but if they have an "off" episode that's not that funny I don't stew about it afterwards. I just shrug my shoulders and know that eventually (if not next week) the episode will be good again.
wanders01 03-29-2007, 09:59 AM Are we sure they are dead? After all miracles happen and Vincent tried to tell everyone they were alive when he pulled the blanket off. Perhaps he'll be doing some digging next week.
tatoomahmut 03-29-2007, 10:09 AM I think they are dead because the viewers didn't like them.
Good point wanders01 about vincent pulling the blanket off because they were alive...never even occurred to me!
Mona Murray 03-29-2007, 10:10 AM It would have been extremely difficult to follow "The Man from Tallahassee" with an episode as intense and exciting. Almost anything TPTB offered would have been somewhat disappointing. One of the things I liked about "Expose" is that it worked as an independent unit and someone who had never seen "Lost" before, could watch and understand it. If "Lost" is ever going to get new viewers, it needs to do some of that.
"Expose" served some beneficial purposes. As posters have pointed out, it brought the truth behind Sun's abduction to light, for sure there will be ramifications to that, and gave us information about the Others using the hatches. It let us know that there is a colony of paralyzing spiders on the island, information that I am sure will come into play down the road, and it got rid of two unsympathetic characters that nobody wanted to begin with. It showed some character growth with Sun saying the diamonds were worthless on the island and Sawyer obviously agreeing and with Hurley further progressing away from a "whatever, Dude" persona to an uncharacteristic assertiveness, something that has been going on for a while. It reinforced a major undercurrent of the series with Jack's live together die alone speech and showing how everyone still has pieces of information that they're not sharing. It was visually beautiful. With so many episodes this season taking place at night, in dank tunnels, or in dark, dirty rooms, an episode taking place in daylight on the surface was welcome. Ironic too, since it was such a dark story.
I don't know why TPTB thought Paolo would be more sympathetic. I didn't like him before "Expose" and I still don't like him.
Remus Lupin 03-29-2007, 10:59 AM It was a good episode. I really enjoyed it. However, I do agree that it was pointless. It could as well not have been and we wouldn't have missed anything significant.
benos 03-29-2007, 11:02 AM So wait, they do know about Desmond? They did say we learn about the others and the swan, was this the episode or was this some kind jump the shark lame thing. I kinda think that they did not know of Desmond, because they know that Kelvin was still down there, but Maybe they did not that Kelvin and Desmond left hatch because i think they were doing something else.
LEISA826 03-29-2007, 11:10 AM What if they are not really dead? What if the speech that Locke made about secrets not staying buried on the island has something to do with this?
And why is Paulo dead, but nikki was just paralyzed? Why didn't he wake up? He was bit before Nikki. Something doesn't seem right?
skyjuice 03-29-2007, 11:34 AM The point of paulo and nikki this entire season was for this episode. The last 3-4 weeks the suspense and action has been pumped up. Locke's dad on the island was/is a huge bomb to cap off the month. This week we have a very entertaining filler episode featuring characters that TPTB never intended for us to grow attached to. Expose is an episode meant to let us catch our breath and let us chew on MFT for another week. This was a good episode. I liked seeing old characters come back for an episode and a little back story on the Others. Think about this: From now on the only deaths that will have an massive emotional impact on the audience is a death of a core 1st season survivor.
Ridley Rockets 03-29-2007, 12:04 PM Last weeks episode was going to be hard to follow anyway, but this was still pretty bad anyway.
Devoting a full set of flash backs and a whole episode to two disposable characters is a waste. People didn't care about them in the first place so why bother with a back story. Were the writers poking fun at themselves by killing Nikki's character off in expose? By that i mean expose being a cheesey far fetched show with a silly death, much like this episode of lost. If two characters were going to be killed off i would want some kind of pay off, it didn't happen and didn't gain or lose anything from their deaths.
The scene where Ben does his line on how he manipulates people to get what he wants wasn't needed, we already knew that and it felt like the writer were smacking us over the head with the idea. It came across to me as forced and out of character, he may as well have turned to the camera and winked after saying that line or done some kind of evil villian style laugh.
I don't accept the excuse of "it was a filler episode after last weeks high action episode", which comes across as "it's o.k, they wrote crap on purpose". It indeed was filler, but bad and pointless filler. The Hurley and his VW (Hurbey anyone?) was a filler episode but it at least had some character development on Hurley's part and a clear theme of hope, but this episode was just a mess.
I get the impression most of you guys would still rave over an episode that consisted entirley of Sawyer shaving or Charlie frowning.
kimbrchick 03-29-2007, 02:03 PM I personally liked this episode. They aren't going to please everyone and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I happened to think that Stanger In a Strange Land wasn't a very good episode.
I don't think this episode was totally pointless. It wasn't jam packed with answers and reveals but it gave us some interesting point of views.
Some people a griped in the past that the red shirts are always in the background doing random beachy type things and never asking questions or interacting with our main Losties. This episode showed two background people from the start of the series and their lives on the island up until the day they were burried. The fact that they went into the jungle and discovered the pearl station on their own was interesting to me. The whole Ben and Juliet conversation about manipulating Jack was interesting. It confirmed that all Ben does is manipulate.
I think Michail and Arntz deaths were more gruesome.
Nikki and Paulo pretty much got what they deserved.
The whole episode was very Twilight Zone to me. I enjoyed it.
randyn_98 03-29-2007, 05:54 PM OK. Yeah, as twilight zone episode, it was good. That's true . But as a LOST episode, it had nothing to do with Lost. And i don't think a lot of people liked that. (inlcuding myself). It might as well have been another show. We wouldn't have known any different....
abbybaby 03-29-2007, 06:28 PM Even though I wasn't a big Nicky and Paulo fan, I did enjoy the episode. I think it would have been more acceptable to fans if the writers would have brought forward the Scott/Steve character and given him a girlfriend in place of the Paulo/Nicki characters coming in and "crashing the party" as one of the producers stated. At least we would have heard about Scott/Steve since season 1, they could have built the same story around him, since we don't know anything about him really. I still enjoyed the episode, not my favorite, but the writing on the show is always great and the Billy Dee Willams cameo was a classic.:biggrin:
kadayi_polokov 03-29-2007, 07:35 PM The point of paulo and nikki this entire season was for this episode. The last 3-4 weeks the suspense and action has been pumped up. Locke's dad on the island was/is a huge bomb to cap off the month. This week we have a very entertaining filler episode featuring characters that TPTB never intended for us to grow attached to. Expose is an episode meant to let us catch our breath and let us chew on MFT for another week. This was a good episode. I liked seeing old characters come back for an episode and a little back story on the Others. Think about this: From now on the only deaths that will have an massive emotional impact on the audience is a death of a core 1st season survivor.
QFT
I agree completely, TPTB definitely had the entire story arc of P&N mapped out from the beginning, they weren't killed off due to fan pressure. This isn't the first time that TPTB have demonstrated the depth to which they plan out the show, consider the Nigerian drug plane and it's religious passengers turning up in season 1 way before the character of Eko was ever introduced.
What is of greatest note is the fact that the others clearly knew about the Swan hatch prior to the Losties arrival on the island, which means they let Desmond and Kelvin push that button for 3 years without interruption (the bastids...), which makes you wonder whether Kelvin had any involvement with them when he was out scouting around.
gigil115 03-29-2007, 07:47 PM from tatoomahmut Does anyone else think that the TPTB created this episode to address the fact that most viewers absolutely despised these two characters? I feel like they may have had bigger plans for Paolo and Nikki but due to the negative reaction they were getting decided not only to kill them off, but to really satisfy us with a fulfilling demise....
Exactly, they gave us what we wanted, cleverly using twisted dark humor and inside tongue in cheek references. I'm analyzing it today, it's a show I won't forget. No other show compares to Lost, still the best imo.
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