paulo saw ben, the plane, found the hatch, the list goes on, and they said nothing about any of it. Wow. at least Paulo should have said something about BEN AND JULIET! I mean 2 strangers walking into a weird hatch in the ground doesnt warrant telling someone?

There really must be some sickness on this Island.

Haha - hadn't thought about it that way, but we're always complaining about how the losties never share info. I guess Pikki is the ultimate example. It's (almost) a j/k.

:)

Makes ya realize how no one shares any info around the campfire on this island!

Locke and Boone find a plane in the trees or the hatch, and don't tell anyone.

Sawyer finds a gun (over and over, lol) and doesn't share the information.

Sayid and Kate find c-4 in the Flame and don't tell Locke.

The list goes on and on!

Kinda made me go, "Eh! NO ONE shares information on this island!! Typical!"

You'd have thought that after he found the diamonds, he might tell the Losties about the plane as a possible means of rescue.

That's what I didn't like about this episode. The writer's made it seems like these too were like more special than the rest of the Losties since they found a bunch of things first. And why the heck didn't Paulo say anything?

It's funny how Paolo possibly could have stopped Ana Lucia and Libby from being killed and Jack, Sawyer and Kate from being taken. He heard that Ben was going to use Michael to manipulate them. So maybe he could have warned everyone, look when Michael gets back don't trust him, he has been working with the others. I guess he just didn't get around to it!!

It's funny how Paolo possibly could have stopped Ana Lucia and Libby from being killed and Jack, Sawyer and Kate from being taken. He heard that Ben was going to use Michael to manipulate them. So maybe he could have warned everyone, look when Michael gets back don't trust him, he has been working with the others. I guess he just didn't get around to it!!
That is true. But I'm sure nobody told Nikki or Paulo that they had caught an other and that he was kept at the swan. These people need to learn how to COMMUNICATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's funny how Paolo possibly could have stopped Ana Lucia and Libby from being killed and Jack, Sawyer and Kate from being taken. He heard that Ben was going to use Michael to manipulate them. So maybe he could have warned everyone, look when Michael gets back don't trust him, he has been working with the others. I guess he just didn't get around to it!!

I know, the really inexcusable omission is not telling anyone about what he saw in the Pearl Hatch. He may not have understood it all at the time, but Paulo should have said something.
You could say he didn't have an alibi for being down there since his purpose was to hide the diamonds, and that Nikki would have gotten furious with him for going down into the hatch (and suspected him of hiding something from her) but he could have come up with some explanation. Plain old curiosity -- after all, it's another hatch!
Loser.

Yeah, I think that was totally stupid. Obviously Paulo knew they had found the swan hatch because he saw Jack sitting in it in the Pearl tv monitor. He also two people he would have had to assume were Others talking about taking Jack and other members of their camp. You think he would have said something unless he wanted them to be hurt for some stupid reason.

I kinda wonder if Paulo thought Ben and Juilet were on the plane or let's put again, not on the plane, and he just thought he didn't want to get involved.

I'd like to think the reasoning for them not sharing some info would be because they would be asked how they know certain things. Paulo hid the diamonds in the toilet inside the hatch. If he mentions something about hearing the Others talking about Jack, Kate & Sawyer then he gets asked where. Same thing in regards to the walkie talkie. Same thing about the drug plane. It would all lead them back to the place he was hiding the diamonds. If you noticed, the first thing he went for in the hatch on his second visit were the diamonds.

Kinda makes u wonder thou, we only seem to follow one third of the people actually there.
For all we know theres one guy among the Losties having breakfast with Jacob, learning the monster controls, and working on the time machine, he just never bothered to tell anyone else...


-Exodus

This has been a running theme throughout the show and demonstrates that even though they all say "live together, die alone", most of them still have their own agendas. If Nikki & Paulo started talking about everything they had found, they would have to explain what they were doing wandering around alone in the jungle. Locke is driven by his quest to become one with the Island and do everything he can to remain there. Even though they talk about being rescued, I think there are very few of them that actually want to go back to their former lives. They have all been given second chances and most of them are trying to take advantage of that to change themselves. But, they don't want to discuss that either, or they would have to talk about the stuff in their former lives that they are escaping from.

But, I do think there is some information being shared. This episode showed some of the minor characters discuss events, so there may be stuff we aren't being shown.

I find it amusing that folks are complaining that self-centered murderers who killed a man for money didn't do the moral thing and tell folks what they discovered and how it might be beneficial to everyone.

If they had - there would be a thread called 'why would the evil Niki and Paulo tell anyone what they found? Tthat was SO out of character! LOL!'

Well, maybe Paulo didn't say anything about seeing Ben and Juliet in the hatch because,
He probably figured they were Others and he didn't want to say anything that might scare the Losties even more....And because that's where the rocks were hidden. :)

I thought it was hilarious that those two stumbled across all the Island's little secrets but were so single-minded that they never thought anything of what they were seeing. Since the whole episode was based around irony, with a 1950s Horror comic book ending our of something like "Tales From the Crypt", Nikki and Paolo's secretive blunderings fit in completely.

I thought it was hilarious that those two stumbled across all the Island's little secrets but were so single-minded that they never thought anything of what they were seeing. Since the whole episode was based around irony, with a 1950s Horror comic book ending our of something like "Tales From the Crypt", Nikki and Paolo's secretive blunderings fit in completely.
LOL It's exactly what I thought! Besides showing some minor clues that Pikki ( I luv that name ;D ) seemed to find out as in the typical Losties theme neglected to tell anyone; It most certainly a homage to the Twllight Zone/Tale from the Crypt series. And it also shows that Hugo can kill just as easily as Sawyer can give up 8 milliion dollars!

This might be giving TPTB too much credit, but maybe showing Pikki learing all those things, having them not tell a soul all of the things they saw and then killing them off is a way to let the viewers (or at least the viewers who obsess over such things on boards like this) know that the hoarding of information is going to stop.

It's a stretch, I know, but maybe . . .

things were kept from them ... i think theey dint want to tell anyone anything bcuz all they cared about was the diamonds ... and they could care less bout the mysteries and dint want to be involved

This might be giving TPTB too much credit, but maybe showing Pikki learing all those things, having them not tell a soul all of the things they saw and then killing them off is a way to let the viewers (or at least the viewers who obsess over such things on boards like this) know that the hoarding of information is going to stop.

It's a stretch, I know, but maybe . . .

You are onto something here. Let's think about it...
the title. "Expose".
The repetition of the digging up/burying.
Locke's comments about nothing staying buried on this island.
Sun learning about her "real" kidnappers.
The way that Paolo overheard what seems to be the motivation behind capturing Jack, Sawyer and Kate.
Juliet tipping her cards as she says Jack is cute... (showing that she may be playing on Jack's emotions for his ex wife)....
Frankly, I think that some on this site are not giving TPTB enough credit. Looks like we do have our game changer after all.

I think it is pretty much a given that Pikki were so focused on the diamonds that they kept their mouths shut, but as many have said, this is the case for most of our Losties...
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I find it amusing that folks are complaining that self-centered murderers who killed a man for money didn't do the moral thing and tell folks what they discovered and how it might be beneficial to everyone.

If they had - there would be a thread called 'why would the evil Niki and Paulo tell anyone what they found? Tthat was SO out of character! LOL!'Exactly! You have to remember that Paulo and Nikki are not good people. They killed an old man and stole 8 mil from him without blinking an eye. I knew that Paulo wasn't going to tell a soul about what happened in the Pearl station. He wouldn't even tell Nikki he found the diamonds, so why would he tell Jack, etc. about the Peal station where his 8 mil of diamonds are hidden. The TPTB did a great job with this episode.

Kinda makes u wonder thou, we only seem to follow one third of the people actually there.
For all we know theres one guy among the Losties having breakfast with Jacob, learning the monster controls, and working on the time machine, he just never bothered to tell anyone else...


-Exodus

Heh, good point. Future episodes will show other "never before focused on" survivor characters and their own adventures on Mystery Island. It will lead to a spin off show, where every episode will have a *new* airplane crash survivor on Mystery Island with a new adventure. One week will have Joe, the bartender battling smugglers in Piranha Cove. The next episode will have Mary and Betty finding a magic amulet that grants wishes. Bob and June, a married couple from New York seeking to add some spark to their marriage, stumble across some pirate treasure and have a battle of wits with the ghost pirate captain from the Black rock. And so on.. . . (Man, these episodes will write themselves!)

All of which are individual stories and no one shares their adventures with any others. The "main" Lost characters will be guest stars on these weekly adventures to help out and give advice.


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It made me pretty angry how they knew so much, and they never told anyone.
They could've saved Boone from dieing, prevented Jack, Kate & Sawyer from being taken...the list goes on.
This is another reason why I hate them and I'm glad they're gone.

This has been a running theme throughout the show and demonstrates that even though they all say "live together, die alone", most of them still have their own agendas.

Exactly. One, they alienated themselves from the rest of the Losties. Two, they alienated each other. Look where it got them.

Of course they didn't tell anyone about the stuff they saw before. Nikki and Paulo's discovery of the Beechcraft, the Pearl, and Ben and Juliet's plan were only concieved months ago, instead of when TPTB were coming up with them originally.

I find it amusing that folks are complaining that self-centered murderers who killed a man for money didn't do the moral thing and tell folks what they discovered and how it might be beneficial to everyone.

If they had - there would be a thread called 'why would the evil Niki and Paulo tell anyone what they found? Tthat was SO out of character! LOL!'

I agree completely.

Seriously, I don't get why people would be so worked up about Nikki and Paulo.

All the producers did was show that the fans were right thinking that Nikki and Paulo were worthless (only with the twist that they had their own selfish agenda explaining their behavior). And showing them discover all this stuff but never bothering to tell anyone was like a shout-out to fans complaining about the Losties' tendency not to share important information, only worse. Basically, "Yeah, we know our characters often keep information to themselves - but look, these guys are even worse! The other Losties at least have their reasons, no matter how weird they are - these two guys just do it out of pure greed!"

I think a lot of it can be explained by saying that Paulo & Nikki were soooo focused on finding the diamonds that they didn't care about anything else.

But ... I think the apparent plothole could have been avoided if, say, Ben discovered Paulo and the diamonds in The Pearl and told him to keep his mouth shut about everything or else.

Exactly. One, they alienated themselves from the rest of the Losties. Two, they alienated each other. Look where it got them.


It's a running theme on the show that pretty much ALL of the Losties that we've seen found stuff but didn't bother telling anyone else until it was too late.

Locke found the Hatch and didn't tell anyone. Locke and Boone found the Beechcraft and didn't tell anyone. Charlie and Eko came across Smokey in the jungle and apparently kept it quiet. Locke and Eko found the Pearl and said nothing. Kate and Claire found the medical hatch and kept it quiet etc. etc.

The list goes on and on.... No-one seems to think to sit down and have a group information sharing session which could result in a lot of important connections and discoveries being made. The reason they don't of course is that the writers want to keep their options open and have lots of intrigue but it's pretty maddening as a viewer.

everything has to have a hidden meaning with you lot you only make things worse by doing it and then get dissapointed when the writing staff change course

paulo saw ben, the plane, found the hatch, the list goes on, and they said nothing about any of it. Wow. at least Paulo should have said something about BEN AND JULIET! I mean 2 strangers walking into a weird hatch in the ground doesnt warrant telling someone?

There really must be some sickness on this Island.


Having Paulo and Nikki not share what they knew is ridiculously contrived. The characters constantly defy common sense and behave in ways that make no sense. It's all done to fit TPTB's contrived plots and has gotten to be embarrasing.




I'd like to think the reasoning for them not sharing some info would be because they would be asked how they know certain things. Paulo hid the diamonds in the toilet inside the hatch. If he mentions something about hearing the Others talking about Jack, Kate & Sawyer then he gets asked where. Same thing in regards to the walkie talkie. Same thing about the drug plane. It would all lead them back to the place he was hiding the diamonds. If you noticed, the first thing he went for in the hatch on his second visit were the diamonds.


First, Paulo didn't have to hide the diamonds in the toilet (actually, it was a very stupid place to hide them). Paulo could have changed his mind abouting hiding them in the toilet after he saw and heard Ben and Juliet and hid them in any of a thousand better places on the island. He could have told everyone he was out exploring, found the hatch, went in, saw the people (Ben and Juliet), and heard the conversation. Same with the drug plane.




I find it amusing that folks are complaining that self-centered murderers who killed a man for money didn't do the moral thing and tell folks what they discovered and how it might be beneficial to everyone.

If they had - there would be a thread called 'why would the evil Niki and Paulo tell anyone what they found? Tthat was SO out of character! LOL!'


I completely disagree. Self-centered murders would care about their own safety and getting off the island. It's not just a matter of being unselfish and helping others by sharing info- they would be helping themselves by sharing info. Why would they want something to happen to the only doctor they have? Don't they want to be safe and get off the island? Are Nikki's diamonds she murdered for worth anything on the island?

And no, if they had shared info, there would not be a thread called, "why would the evil Niki and Paulo tell anyone what they found?". People would be thrilled that characters were behaving like normal human beings, communicating, and actually trying to help themselves and their situation.

I'm beginning to think the sickness is the outside world all together. The losties all act like they were CIA operatives in the outside. Everone them plays their cards close to the chest. I'm wondering if this isn't part of the reason they are there. They don't just have "daddy" issues they have trust issues in general.

I don't understand how so many people seem to think that if Paolo said anything about the hatch, people would ask him what he was doing wandering around the jungle. I mean, why not be????? Like it would be SO DIFFICULT to (1) find another hiding place for the diamonds and (2) tell everyone else that you were taking a walk and "saw something" sticking out of the ground, kicked it to see what it was, and realized that it was a set of doors leading into a freaking underground bunker with TV screens, A TOILET, and TWO RANDOM PEOPLE HE HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE TALKING ABOUT ABDUCTING PEOPLE HE KNOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on! Ridiculous. There's no island curfew or "Forbidden Forest." Paolo can be wherever he wants! I mean, for the first 80 days, he lived down at the other end of he beach! Nobody was keeping tabs on him then! He could have said anything!!!

Now that we're all complaining about how stupid it was that Paolo didn't at least tell someone about Ben/Juliet conversation (and yes, really, it was comically STUPID that you wouldn't share something like that) the writers will do a flashback in which they try to explain why Paolo didn't share the info. Which will be a stupid reason nontheless. We understand you tried your best to make it SEEM like they were important, but Paolo especially was retarded on not mentioning that information. STUPID. STUPID. ARRRRRGGG!

Otherwise, awesome episode! :)

We're all assuming that Paulo and Nikki didn't tell anyone anything but we really don't know for sure...

When they first found the hatch, for all we know they could've told Ethan as it seems they were friendly with him...

But more importantly, when Paulo saw Ben and Juliet, he may very well have told Jack. We don't know for sure that he didn't. It could very well be why Jack seemed suspicious of Michael near the time they all left to search for Walt and why he and Kate shared that "knowing" look when they were captured at the dock. Perhaps they had been expecting something. Or perhaps Paulo mentioned something to Sayid and that's why Sayid told Jack that Michael had been compromised.

Now, it's very likely none of this is true. All I'm saying is that we don't know for sure that Paulo or Nikki didn't say anything to anyone. So it remains to be seen if there might be more to their stories...

I loved this episode, and I thought it was funny that they stumbled upon so many 'secrets' in their quest for the diamonds, but it was frustrating that they didn't at least mention the plane or the pearl hatch to someone else. After Paolo found the diamonds he would have been looking for ANY way off.

I don't mind some suspension of disbelief, reason, etc but something that's so obviously silly as this is annoying.

The thing that bothered me the most is not that they didn't tell anyone about what they saw, but that they didn't react to what they saw! Sure, Nikki wants Paolo to climb into the plane and see if there's a radio. But wouldn't there be a pretty big OMG factor on their part, or at least on Paolo's, when he discovers a room underground! And it has TV screens/monitors! And here are 2 people I've never seen! And they're watching one of the TVs! And they're talking about Jack! OMG! OMG! OMG!

That's what troubled me most about those two.

I really don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a murderer and diamond thief, and someone who would betray someone he professes to love by hiding the diamonds from her, would hide the knowledge about the hatch and the Others from the group. Criminals don't have the same values as the average person. They don't think the same way. They are in it for themselves - Paulo's actions make perfect sense in light of who he was.

Also, I'm noticing a theme that's been playing out this season. Last week in Locke's story, he told Henry something like, "You don't know me. I could be a former marine colonel who captained a sub." (that's the gist, not an exact quote). Henry proceeded to list all the things he did know about Locke. I think that makes the point that we make assumptions about these characters based on the tiny snippets we've seen of them, but Nikki and Paulo (and everyone else on the island) has motivations and facets yet to be revealed. We assume the behavior is out of character or unrealistic when in fact, it may not be and we are discovering more about who the character really is.

I really don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a murderer and diamond thief, and someone who would betray someone he professes to love by hiding the diamonds from her, would hide the knowledge about the hatch and the Others from the group. Criminals don't have the same values as the average person. They don't think the same way. They are in it for themselves - Paulo's actions make perfect sense in light of who he was.
I think it's hard to accept this behavior because of the common situation being experienced by all of the characters. Bonds are formed during times of duress, and these people have a common goal -- to get home alive. Shannon was a selfish brat, but she still helped translate the French transmission. Sawyer was a manipulative conman, but he still tried to save lives in imminent danger again and again. It's not hard to believe that the vast majority of these people want to get off the island. Yes, we know that Locke and Rose and Bernard don't want to leave, and yes, there might be more, but we saw Paulo and Nikki waiting for the Coast Guard to roll up onto shore. They wanted off the island, so it would be in their best interest to announce at the top of their lungs anything that might (1) prevent them from being killed or kidnapped and (2) assist them in getting off the island! I'm thinking that allowing the resident doctor to be taken is probably not the best way to stay alive in such a known volatile environment. Even selfish, con artists desire to remain alive.
Also, I'm noticing a theme that's been playing out this season. Last week in Locke's story, he told Henry something like, "You don't know me. I could be a former marine colonel who captained a sub." (that's the gist, not an exact quote). Henry proceeded to list all the things he did know about Locke. I think that makes the point that we make assumptions about these characters based on the tiny snippets we've seen of them, but Nikki and Paulo (and everyone else on the island) has motivations and facets yet to be revealed. We assume the behavior is out of character or unrealistic when in fact, it may not be and we are discovering more about who the character really is.You've kind of contradicted yourself.
I think that makes the point that we make assumptions about these characters based on the tiny snippets we've seen of themI really don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a murderer and diamond thief, and someone who would betray someone he professes to love by hiding the diamonds from her, would hide the knowledge about the hatch and the Others from the group.You, yourself, are assuming that because Nikki and Paulo schemed to kill a man and steal his diamonds they automatically behave differently than the "average person."

I will say that the values pertaining to whether or not one would kill a person to steal his diamonds are a different set than the values a human being possesses when it comes to situations of group distress. It's like the bank hostage situation where a mean jerk turns into a selfless hero, etc.

I really don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a murderer and diamond thief, and someone who would betray someone he professes to love by hiding the diamonds from her, would hide the knowledge about the hatch and the Others from the group. Criminals don't have the same values as the average person. They don't think the same way. They are in it for themselves - Paulo's actions make perfect sense in light of who he was.

Don't you think Paulo cares enough about himself that he would want to have the only doctor around in case he gets hurt? Don't you think Paulo cares about his safety and would want those he lives with on the beach to know the truth about what he found and saw? Isn't there safety in numbers? Paulo has NOTHING to lose by sharing his info. What does he lose by telling? A ridiculous place to hide the diamonds?
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I think it's hard to accept this behavior because of the common situation being experienced by all of the characters. Bonds are formed during times of duress, and these people have a common goal -- to get home alive. Shannon was a selfish brat, but she still helped translate the French transmission. Sawyer was a manipulative conman, but he still tried to save lives in imminent danger again and again. It's not hard to believe that the vast majority of these people want to get off the island. Yes, we know that Locke and Rose and Bernard don't want to leave, and yes, there might be more, but we saw Paulo and Nikki waiting for the Coast Guard to roll up onto shore. They wanted off the island, so it would be in their best interest to announce at the top of their lungs anything that might (1) prevent them from being killed or kidnapped and (2) assist them in getting off the island! I'm thinking that allowing the resident doctor to be taken is probably not the best way to stay alive in such a known volatile environment. Even selfish, con artists desire to remain alive.


Exactly

Even though Paulo has murdered doesn't mean, at all, that he does't seek positive attention, power, fame, etc - that he has no curiousity. Criminals are mostly normal people. If you crash on an island that is deserted and have been there for days, then find an underground research facility that moniters the island you are on, and see two people that weren't on the plane - you would tell someone. There are plenty of other places to hide diamons on the island. In fact, for all he knows, these other people could regularly enter the hatch, and possibly use the working toilet, so it isn't the best place to hide his diamonds.

Also, the island has the whole tabula rasa effect. Paulo and Nikki acted as if they never crashed on an island at all. Everyone else changed, no matter how dark their pasts were.

The writers are intelligent enough to be aware of all these plot holes. I don't like that the whole episode was a sort of spoof making fun of other television shows, but it seems to be the case.

IThey wanted off the island, so it would be in their best interest to announce at the top of their lungs anything that might (1) prevent them from being killed or kidnapped and (2) assist them in getting off the island! I'm thinking that allowing the resident doctor to be taken is probably not the best way to stay alive in such a known volatile environment. Even selfish, con artists desire to remain alive.

I don't think he was thinking about that. I think his only concern was for himself and hiding the diamonds. And if he admitted to being in the hatch and overhearing the conversation, he would have had to tell Nikki that he was tramping around in the jungle by himself and come up with a reasonable explanation. Selfish, murdering con artists are typically in it for themselves. I doubt he would see that he needs someone else.

You've kind of contradicted yourself.
You, yourself, are assuming that because Nikki and Paulo schemed to kill a man and steal his diamonds they automatically behave differently than the "average person."

I will say that the values pertaining to whether or not one would kill a person to steal his diamonds are a different set than the values a human being possesses when it comes to situations of group distress. It's like the bank hostage situation where a mean jerk turns into a selfless hero, etc.

Touche - I did contradict myself by making assumptions about the characters. We almost have to to relate to the show - much like we pigeon-hole people in life and make sometimes incorrect assumptions. I disagree about the bank hostage situation, though. Someone who is a murderer and a con artist wouldn't become a selfless hero in a bank hostage situation unless it benefitted them.

In fact, for all he knows, these other people could regularly enter the hatch, and possibly use the working toilet, so it isn't the best place to hide his diamonds.
This is very true! Even if for some craaaaaazy reason, Paulo didn't want to tell anyone about what he saw, it would be incredibly STUPID to leave the diamonds in a place that for all he knew was frequented on a daily basis! I mean, he had to think that the toilet was there for a reason! Right......?

I think it was a comment on human nature compounded with the fact that they have only been there 3 months. Getting to know these characters over three years gives us a skewed perspective. At the time Paulo saw Ben and Juliet he was still thinking about getting off of the island and self-preservation compiled with a distrust of Nikki because of his stealing the diamonds.

Also I believe that it's TPTB hinting at future revelations that will explain some of the actions of the characters that we at this point think make no sense.

It made perfect sense to me that Paulo didn't tell anyone about the island's "secrets." He seemed like a private person with a secret of his own, intent on keeping it just that: a secret. A self-absorbed person like Paulo...why would he tell anyone anything?

I don't understand how so many people seem to think that if Paolo said anything about the hatch, people would ask him what he was doing wandering around the jungle. I mean, why not be????? Like it would be SO DIFFICULT to (1) find another hiding place for the diamonds and (2) tell everyone else that you were taking a walk and "saw something" sticking out of the ground, kicked it to see what it was, and realized that it was a set of doors leading into a freaking underground bunker with TV screens, A TOILET, and TWO RANDOM PEOPLE HE HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE TALKING ABOUT ABDUCTING PEOPLE HE KNOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on! Ridiculous. There's no island curfew or "Forbidden Forest." Paolo can be wherever he wants! I mean, for the first 80 days, he lived down at the other end of he beach! Nobody was keeping tabs on him then! He could have said anything!!!

I find it eternally interesting how some people will never understand that not everyone thinks and acts the same way that they do.

I really don't understand why it's so hard to accept that a murderer and diamond thief, and someone who would betray someone he professes to love by hiding the diamonds from her, would hide the knowledge about the hatch and the Others from the group. Criminals don't have the same values as the average person. They don't think the same way. They are in it for themselves - Paulo's actions make perfect sense in light of who he was.



Perfectly stated.

There are plenty of other places to hide diamons on the island. In fact, for all he knows, these other people could regularly enter the hatch, and possibly use the working toilet, so it isn't the best place to hide his diamonds.


Why not? He left the diamonds in the tank, so maybe people did use the toilet on a regular basis... still doesn't mean they check the tank every day. The toilet operates perfectly with the diamonds in there (as Paolo demonstrated) so, it's as good a place as any. Well, better than in or around the camp where Sawyer or someone may stumble upon them. Or buried in the sand where they could be washed out to sea.

paulo saw ben, the plane, found the hatch, the list goes on, and they said nothing about any of it. Wow. at least Paulo should have said something about BEN AND JULIET! I mean 2 strangers walking into a weird hatch in the ground doesnt warrant telling someone?

There really must be some sickness on this Island.

yea i was kinda pissed that they saw alot of things that our heroes came in counter with and never said a werd or were never seen talking amonst eachother about it.. the episode seemed weird to me..........

Let's look at this logically::

Paolo is a greedy (given). Greedy people are selfish (sensible generalisation). He is also not stupid (assumption based on him getting away with murder and manipulating Nikki).

If this is the case then after finding the diamonds the ONLY motivation for Paolo should be getting off the Island. He wants to spend his 8 million dollars and trading it with the island monkeys for bananas seems a bit of a waste. Trying to explain his silence away with "he's greedy, manipulative and secretive" does not really make sense in this context. Sure, other Losties have kept secrets before but none that could possibly help the group get off the Island...

Possible explanations: There is more to Paolo's story and we will find this out later. I'm guessing the walkie-talkie would play it's part in this, or maybe it's a bit more complex (I thought the look on his face right after the crash was significant).

If we disregard the ACTUAL reason nikki and paulo didn't share info, (i.e, they had not been cast in the roles, because the roles didn't even exist yet) then the explanation of them not telling anybody about any of their finds would be the fact they were criminals.

In that criminals, keep to their criminal circle (here being only 2 people) and do not usually trust anybody outside that personal circle. they had each other, and that was enough of a "team" for them not needing to include anybody else.

there were not a lot of survivors that had a personal partner they were with before and after the crash.:


jin/sun
mike/walt
shannon/boone
rose/bernard....(but they were apart in the beginning)

am i missing any?



anyway, given their personalities, i see no line of reasoning that would be logical for nikki and paulo to include the other losties.

I get why Paolo never said anything, he didn't want Nikki to know he had been running off exploring on his own, that would seem suspicious to her, and Diamonds aside, Paolo's REAL priority was staying together with Nikki after all.

But after SEEING Michael back at the beach he should have SOMEHOW let some people know about what he heard.... In my opinion that was the act that cost him his life, after he got bit by spiders he wasn't gonna live thru it, i think the monster came there to test if Nikki deserved the same fate thou.

-Exodus

Let's look at this logically::

Paolo is a greedy (given). Greedy people are selfish (sensible generalisation). He is also not stupid (assumption based on him getting away with murder and manipulating Nikki).

If this is the case then after finding the diamonds the ONLY motivation for Paolo should be getting off the Island. He wants to spend his 8 million dollars and trading it with the island monkeys for bananas seems a bit of a waste. Trying to explain his silence away with "he's greedy, manipulative and secretive" does not really make sense in this context. Sure, other Losties have kept secrets before but none that could possibly help the group get off the Island...

Possible explanations: There is more to Paolo's story and we will find this out later. I'm guessing the walkie-talkie would play it's part in this, or maybe it's a bit more complex (I thought the look on his face right after the crash was significant).

if spening the 8 million dollars was indeed his priority... if the diamonds were infact his top priority, then i agree with the statements from others about even a criminal, under group duress, would speak up. but reading this thread, i'm beginning to wonder if that was paulo's priority. i mean, yes, it sure seemed that way... but i have to linger on his look after the crash and when he first sees nikki - her first mention is of the diamonds and it's like he snaps back to reality from wherever he was. and a couple of times throughout the episode, i recall him asking nikki if the diamonds were the only reason she was staying with him. and just before nikki confronts him, he once again says something about how he hid them away cuz he was afraid of losing her. maybe, just maybe, paulo didn't want to leave the island and hoped for nikki to be with him for who he was (and having the diamonds as insurance?)

also, other losties, namely locke has definitely kept secrets that kept the losties from getting off the island. season 1, he hit sayid on the head and broke the walkie-talkie. last episode, he blew up the submarine. i'm leaning towards individual motivation and rethinking on paulo's as being from diamond to nikki.

overall, i think the writers made it clear. paulo and nikki were absolutely useless despite all that they saw.

Okay Locke does not want to leave because he would be a cripple again - that's far removed from Paolo, but good call on the Sayid bashing I forgot about that.


However, if staying with Nikki was his priority than why not just chuck the diamonds in the ocean?

The toilet operates perfectly with the diamonds in there (as Paolo demonstrated)Technically, he flushed it only after they'd been there for weeks (at least on screen that is).

Anyway, if he was afraid of someone stumbling across them, the toilet tank was obviously the dumbest place to hide them. It was the one place most likely to have people traipsing around (in an otherwise jungle island wilderness); and worse, they wouldn't even be HIS people. There are plenty of places on the island where a bag of diamonds were in little danger of being washed out to sea and where human traffic would be much thinner.

(And really, his first hiding spot was right on the beach in full sight of the camp. He switches from there to a buried hatch occupied by hostiles?)


So the way I see it, either:

- There's more to Paulo than they've shown

- The writers just didn't put much thought into it

- It was just a contrived story point trying to explain an earlier scene where Paulo uses the Pearl bathroom

It makes you wonder... what other things lots of others unknown survivors may have witnessed and not told anybody?

I don't think he was thinking about that. I think his only concern was for himself and hiding the diamonds. And if he admitted to being in the hatch and overhearing the conversation, he would have had to tell Nikki that he was tramping around in the jungle by himself and come up with a reasonable explanation. Selfish, murdering con artists are typically in it for themselves. I doubt he would see that he needs someone else.
The problem with this type of thinking is that he wouldn't HAVE to tell Nikki anything he didn't want to! Unless he was mentally disabled, he would have been able to say, "I was looking for a place to go to the bathroom, and I got off track somehow and ended up finding this place" -- There, DONE. Everyone likes to harp on the fact that Paulo's a "selfish, murdering con artist" but yet they refuse to acknowledge that a "selfish, murdering con artist" might actually lie about HOW he found the station instead of conveniently "lying by omission" which would serve no one, much less himself.

And all this use of the "murdering, con artist" talk is flawed as well. Kate is a murdering con artist, and she is always trying to help or save somebody's life. Same with Sawyer. Being selfish is the number one reason why anyone would want to get off the island! I don't see how "being selfish" can even be used as an excuse to hide information. Sawyer is one of the most selfish characters on the show, and he was able to buck up and get a spot on the raft.
I find it eternally interesting how some people will never understand that not everyone thinks and acts the same way that they do.
I find it eternally interesting how some people will never understand that being a "selfish, murdering con artist" doesn't mean a person is unable to LIE about why they were walking around the jungle.

I would willingly accept that the reason why Paulo didn't say anything was because he did not exist in the storyline until last week before I accept any nonsense about how a "selfish, murdering con artist" would be able to come up with a plan to murder a man and steal his diamonds but not be able to come up with a simple, viable lie to tell regarding why he was in the jungle.

Technically, he flushed it only after they'd been there for weeks (at least on screen that is).

Anyway, if he was afraid of someone stumbling across them, the toilet tank was obviously the dumbest place to hide them. It was the one place most likely to have people traipsing around (in an otherwise jungle island wilderness);

Again... people don't routinely traipse around a toilet tank. Yes, people would be in the bathroom, but tanks themselves are rarely opened. His decision to hide the diamonds in there are no more stupid than Charlie hiding drugs in one in the pilot episode.


I find it eternally interesting how some people will never understand that being a "selfish, murdering con artist" doesn't mean a person is unable to LIE about why they were walking around the jungle.

I would willingly accept that the reason why Paulo didn't say anything was because he did not exist in the storyline until last week before I accept any nonsense about how a "selfish, murdering con artist" would be able to come up with a plan to murder a man and steal his diamonds but not be able to come up with a simple, viable lie to tell regarding why he was in the jungle.

Any character who doesn't make the decision that you would is poorly written, yes...? :)

His decision to hide the diamonds in there are no more stupid than Charlie hiding drugs in one in the pilot episode.Charlie wasn't in the middle of a largely uninhabited jungle when he chose his hiding place.

The problem with this type of thinking is that he wouldn't HAVE to tell Nikki anything he didn't want to! Unless he was mentally disabled, he would have been able to say, "I was looking for a place to go to the bathroom, and I got off track somehow and ended up finding this place" -- There, DONE. Everyone likes to harp on the fact that Paulo's a "selfish, murdering con artist" but yet they refuse to acknowledge that a "selfish, murdering con artist" might actually lie about HOW he found the station instead of conveniently "lying by omission" which would serve no one, much less himself.

And all this use of the "murdering, con artist" talk is flawed as well. Kate is a murdering con artist, and she is always trying to help or save somebody's life. Same with Sawyer. Being selfish is the number one reason why anyone would want to get off the island! I don't see how "being selfish" can even be used as an excuse to hide information. Sawyer is one of the most selfish characters on the show, and he was able to buck up and get a spot on the raft.

I find it eternally interesting how some people will never understand that being a "selfish, murdering con artist" doesn't mean a person is unable to LIE about why they were walking around the jungle.

I would willingly accept that the reason why Paulo didn't say anything was because he did not exist in the storyline until last week before I accept any nonsense about how a "selfish, murdering con artist" would be able to come up with a plan to murder a man and steal his diamonds but not be able to come up with a simple, viable lie to tell regarding why he was in the jungle.


Yes, yes and yes.

People do unexplainable stupid stuff everyday... it may not make sense to you or I, but it happens all the time in real life. Don't assume everyone has common sense and will do the right thing. Maybe Paulo debated telling someone, but thought better of it simple for the fact that it's easier to just not say anything then have to lie to Nikki. Nikki didn't seem like she would take any explanation at face value because of her obsession with finding the diamonds. Seems to me she would question why he went off without her.

You'd think that they talk about some of the stuff they've seen out of sheer boredom. They've were on the island for weeks and you think that they would just mention the Pearl hatch just to have something to talk about.

Charlie wasn't in the middle of a largely uninhabited jungle when he chose his hiding place.

Largely uninhabited? Danielle, The Others and whomever else may be living out there watching who might notice displaced dirt and think to look closer... Plus 50 survivors who may stumble upon it. And none of that mentions the fact that its a Jungle and he might lose track of wherever he buried it.

The toilet tank makes more sense than burying it.

Their actions made perfect sense to me. Neither one struck me as particularly smart and both were self-absorbed and suspicious of both eachother and everyone else.

Two points:

1. The writers admitted in a pod-cast that these two characters were a mistake (trying to appease LOST fans is always a bad idea) so they decided to get rid of them and have fun doing it.

2. This is a show about a group of survivors of a plane crash, who live on a mysterous Island were all kinds of wierd things happen, including a jungle that's patrolled by a giant, shape-shifting smoke monster.

I have no idea why people , three seasons into the series, still insist on over-thinking the show.

I gotta stop coming back to this thread because it just drives me nuts when I read the posts asking "Why is it so hard to believe that N&P didn't tell anyone because they were murderers etc, etc". bryce110 & colin72 seem to be the only ones with ANY COMMON SENSE in this thread!

You are STUCK on a damn island, with a "creature" tearing down trees! COMMON SENSE says You tell everyone else ESPECIALLY the doctor that there were people there who looked like natives. You join with your enemy's enemy (if in fact they viewed the other passengers as potential enemy) to get off the ISLAND WITH A MONSTER tearing down trees!

Christ.

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I gotta stop coming back to this thread because it just drives me nuts when I read the posts asking "Why is it so hard to believe that N&P didn't tell anyone because they were murderers etc, etc". bryce110 & colin72 seem to be the only ones with ANY COMMON SENSE in this thread!

You are STUCK on a damn island, with a "creature" tearing down trees! COMMON SENSE says You tell everyone else ESPECIALLY the doctor that there were people there who looked like natives. You join with your enemy's enemy (if in fact they viewed the other passengers as potential enemy) to get off the ISLAND WITH A MONSTER tearing down trees!

Christ.

/rant

That's the part that yourself and the people that you named are not hearing... yes, Pikki made mistakes not sharing information. It's what the entire episode was About. Characters (like real people) don't always make the perfect decision, or the decision that we'd like them to. They wrap themselves up in other things (again, same as real people) and make errors.

These characters were so wrapped up in their diamonds (Paolo in tring to hide them and Nikki in trying to find them) that they didn't communicate with each other or anyone else at all. And it cost them their lives.

Largely uninhabited? Danielle, The Others and whomever else may be living out there watching who might notice displaced dirt and think to look closer... Plus 50 survivors who may stumble upon it. And none of that mentions the fact that its a Jungle and he might lose track of wherever he buried it.

The toilet tank makes more sense than burying it.



Danielle is going to notice some displaced dirt? Are you serious? She's spent 16 years on the island and couldn't find her daughter. Danielle is the last person you'd need to worry about finding a small bag of diamonds.

And how are any of the 50 survivors going to "stumble upon" a dag of diamonds in a hole? These people don't explore. There were a couple BOATS on the island they couldn't seem to find yet they're going to find diamonds in a hole?

Paulo could have easily picked a memorable spot on the island and hid the diamonds. He could have did it in the middle of the night on one of his many bathroom breaks.

But what does he do instead? He puts the diamonds in a toilet in the hatch after he sees that it's used by Juliet and Ben. This would have been like me, at age 10, wanting to hide something private of mine in my parent's house and instead of putting it somewhere in my room, hiding it under my parent's mattress.
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Their actions made perfect sense to me. Neither one struck me as particularly smart and both were self-absorbed and suspicious of both eachother and everyone else.


How smart to you have to be to know that burying diamonds in the ground is a better hiding place than in a toilet? A squirrel is smart enough to bury a nut in the ground and remember where it is. It doesn't bury the nut in a car's glove compartment.



Two points:

1. The writers admitted in a pod-cast that these two characters were a mistake (trying to appease LOST fans is always a bad idea) so they decided to get rid of them and have fun doing it.


That's no excuse for stupidity.



2. This is a show about a group of survivors of a plane crash, who live on a mysterous Island were all kinds of wierd things happen, including a jungle that's patrolled by a giant, shape-shifting smoke monster.


What's that have to do with anything? Despite all they've seen, do these people seem to fear walking in the jungle? They do it constantly.



I have no idea why people , three seasons into the series, still insist on over-thinking the show.


Right, it's not as though fans are encouraged to analyze and think about Lost... and anyway, some things don't take much thinking.
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I gotta stop coming back to this thread because it just drives me nuts when I read the posts asking "Why is it so hard to believe that N&P didn't tell anyone because they were murderers etc, etc". bryce110 & colin72 seem to be the only ones with ANY COMMON SENSE in this thread!

You are STUCK on a damn island, with a "creature" tearing down trees! COMMON SENSE says You tell everyone else ESPECIALLY the doctor that there were people there who looked like natives. You join with your enemy's enemy (if in fact they viewed the other passengers as potential enemy) to get off the ISLAND WITH A MONSTER tearing down trees!

Christ.

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Finally! Someone else I can agree with! ;)

In the last 17 years of my life I can honestly say I've never looked inside my toilet, so I can't understand why many of you consider it such a bad place to hide something.

I gotta stop coming back to this thread because it just drives me nuts when I read the posts asking "Why is it so hard to believe that N&P didn't tell anyone because they were murderers etc, etc". bryce110 & colin72 seem to be the only ones with ANY COMMON SENSE in this thread!

You are STUCK on a damn island, with a "creature" tearing down trees! COMMON SENSE says You tell everyone else ESPECIALLY the doctor that there were people there who looked like natives. You join with your enemy's enemy (if in fact they viewed the other passengers as potential enemy) to get off the ISLAND WITH A MONSTER tearing down trees!

Christ.

/rant

Yet nearly all the main characters have had their own major discoveries and kept their mouths shut. How long did it take before the Swan 'Hatch' was widely known about? When were Kate and Claire planning on letting news of the Medical Station out? How long before 'The A Team' told anyone that they were keeping a suspected Other in the Swan? It's been a long running theme on Lost that no-one shares information.

In the last 17 years of my life I can honestly say I've never looked inside my toilet, so I can't understand why many of you consider it such a bad place to hide something.


You haven't? I'd suggest you look in your toilet my friend. Someone may have stashed some diamonds in there.


If you had something you wanted to hide and didn't want someone else to find, would you:

A) Put it in your toilet which other people in your home use
B) Put it somewhere in your room in your personal belongings
C) Take it down to the local gas station and hide it in their toilet

If you answered "C", you are Paulo.

I could forgive them finding the plane and the hatch and not telling anyone about it.

But seriously, you find out the mysterious people on the Island are going to use Michael to kidnap three of your fellow survivors and you don't think, hey, maybe that's info you share with the group.
Paulo, who didn't want to climb into a possibly collapsing plane had no qualms about the only doctor in their group being abducted.

Maybe they should have added a scene with Paulo glaring at Nikki while she flirts with Jack or something. 'Screw it, kidnap the jackass'. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I think that was totally stupid. Obviously Paulo knew they had found the swan hatch because he saw Jack sitting in it in the Pearl tv monitor. He also two people he would have had to assume were Others talking about taking Jack and other members of their camp. You think he would have said something unless he wanted them to be hurt for some stupid reason.

What would he have said? How would he have explained it? I'm sure in his eyes, it was best to just sit back and let things unfold instead of attracting attention to himself.

What would he have said? How would he have explained it? I'm sure in his eyes, it was best to just sit back and let things unfold instead of attracting attention to himself.


This has been easily answered many times in this thread.

For example, here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1464465&postcount=32) and here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1465173&postcount=54)

What would he have said? How would he have explained it? I'm sure in his eyes, it was best to just sit back and let things unfold instead of attracting attention to himself.


Erm, something along the lines of 'Hey Jack, it turns out the Others are going to use Michael to get you to do some sort of surgery. I thought you might like a heads up'

He didn't even have to tell anyone about the hatch or anything else. As soon as people hear that there are people out there who want to abduct three of their people their interest kind of shifts from the messenger.

He could of said he heard them when he was hiding behind a tree for God's sakes. I mean, he could have said anything! :rolleyes:

Danielle is going to notice some displaced dirt? Are you serious? She's spent 16 years on the island and couldn't find her daughter. Danielle is the last person you'd need to worry about finding a small bag of diamonds.



"Couldn't find" or "didn't look for"? Danielle didn't set out to look for her daughter, she knew who had them and as she said in "Enter 77" she chose to avoid them to survive. I have survived on the island precisely by avoiding these types of encounters. I'll wait for you by the stream, for those of you who survive. The only measures she Did take to try to get her daughter was to set traps so she could capture one of them, take them back to her place and interrogate them on Her turf.

And, seeing as she sets a variety of different traps, she has to now know how to avoid them and remember specific landmarks to try to remember where they are so she doesn't end up in one of her own devices.

So, yes, it's quite possible that she'd take note of misplaced dirt.
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Erm, something along the lines of 'Hey Jack, it turns out the Others are going to use Michael to get you to do some sort of surgery. I thought you might like a heads up'

He didn't even have to tell anyone about the hatch or anything else. As soon as people hear that there are people out there who want to abduct three of their people their interest kind of shifts from the messenger.

He could of said he heard them when he was hiding behind a tree for God's sakes. I mean, he could have said anything! :rolleyes:

I could forgive them finding the plane and the hatch and not telling anyone about it.

But seriously, you find out the mysterious people on the Island are going to use Michael to kidnap three of your fellow survivors and you don't think, hey, maybe that's info you share with the group.
Paulo, who didn't want to climb into a possibly collapsing plane had no qualms about the only doctor in their group being abducted.



It would certainly have been compassionate of Paolo to tell Jack that he was in danger. Of course, Paolo killed an old man for a bag of diamonds so compassion just doesn't seem to be high up on his list.

A) Put it in your toilet which other people in your home use
B) Put it somewhere in your room in your personal belongings
C) Take it down to the local gas station and hide it in their toilet

If you answered "C", you are Paulo.:rotflmao2:

Erm, something along the lines of 'Hey Jack, it turns out the Others are going to use Michael to get you to do some sort of surgery. I thought you might like a heads up'

He didn't even have to tell anyone about the hatch or anything else. As soon as people hear that there are people out there who want to abduct three of their people their interest kind of shifts from the messenger.

He could of said he heard them when he was hiding behind a tree for God's sakes. I mean, he could have said anything! :rolleyes:

But you forget that they had already found one other in their midst at this point, and it would be interesting how he had that information. You don't think they might have turned on him, thinking he was an Other or a spy? Remember the mindset of the fuselage survivors at that point in time. They weren't even trusting each other at the time. And when has a lie ever gotten past Sayid? No, he did the prudent thing for his own survival. He kept his mouth shut.

So, Paulo did the stupid thing by not telling the beachies about what he'd overheard and seen. Big deal. He was meant to be a hated character. Why would tptb allow his character to do a heroic deed when he wasn't meant to be a hero in the first place? Duh! No, they're going to make him out to be despicable, in line with what they had already established in his flashback.

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So, yes, it's quite possible that she'd take note of misplaced dirt.
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The amount of displaced dirt needed to bury that Russian doll? No way. Unless you are actively looking for diamonds that you know to be buried in a given area, there is no way that you would be able to find them. Period. That's why in the good old days, pirates used to take down Spanish galleons, get the booty, bury it on some island so no one would ever be able to find it, and draw a treasure map just so they could find it again.

So, yes, it's quite possible that she'd take note of misplaced dirt.
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Wow. If you seriously believe that Danielle knows the island so well that she would notice that someone dug a hole, put a small bag of diamonds in it, and covered it up... I don't know what to say to you.

You are STUCK on a damn island, with a "creature" tearing down trees! COMMON SENSE says You tell everyone else ESPECIALLY the doctor that there were people there who looked like natives. You join with your enemy's enemy (if in fact they viewed the other passengers as potential enemy) to get off the ISLAND WITH A MONSTER tearing down trees!

Christ.

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Have you ever met someone without common sense? I have. It doesn't mean I agree with Paulo's actions or possible reasoning, but he didn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed to me. In fact, he was trying to light up and leave evidence all over a murder scene after they killed the director. I think the writers were trying to show that he wasn't that bright. Nikki seemed to be the mastermind. There have been a lot dumber criminals than Paulo, in the real world. I once read about a bank robber that wrote his demands on his own deposit slip. :)

Yet nearly all the main characters have had their own major discoveries and kept their mouths shut. How long did it take before the Swan 'Hatch' was widely known about? When were Kate and Claire planning on letting news of the Medical Station out? How long before 'The A Team' told anyone that they were keeping a suspected Other in the Swan? It's been a long running theme on Lost that no-one shares information.

Simply, they "eventually" told everyone. Its been 80 days or so. Paolo is STILL keeping that secret to his grave.

In the events you've listed no one outright said, "Hey lets kidnap <insert Lostie name here> by doing this and this." If one of the A-Team or any NORMAL person would've heard another Lostie being threatened, I feel that they would've told the person. Quickly too.
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You haven't? I'd suggest you look in your toilet my friend. Someone may have stashed some diamonds in there.


If you had something you wanted to hide and didn't want someone else to find, would you:

A) Put it in your toilet which other people in your home use
B) Put it somewhere in your room in your personal belongings
C) Take it down to the local gas station and hide it in their toilet

If you answered "C", you are Paulo.

That's hilarious right there.

:rotflmao2:

Wow. If you seriously believe that Danielle knows the island so well that she would notice that someone dug a hole, put a small bag of diamonds in it, and covered it up... I don't know what to say to you.

When you bury something in the ground it leaves a mound of dirt at the spot. Between that fact and whatever Paolo would use to mark the spot so that he could find it later, if Danielle (or any of the Others, Losties or anyone else who might be living on the island) passed by it, they might notice it.

Or are you saying that's impossible?
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The amount of displaced dirt needed to bury that Russian doll? No way. Unless you are actively looking for diamonds that you know to be buried in a given area, there is no way that you would be able to find them. Period. That's why in the good old days, pirates used to take down Spanish galleons, get the booty, bury it on some island so no one would ever be able to find it, and draw a treasure map just so they could find it again.

That's a good point. They put it where someone would not look... in your case a deserted island. Maybe people do use the toilet... but they walk around the jungle also. But, no one was going around checking toilet tanks. Paolo recognized it, and Charlie did also in season 1.

But, then again if a character makes a decision that you wouldn't then it must be a moronic decision... I Love this thread.

This is another reason why I hate them and I'm glad they're gone.
Don't write them off just yet. I predict they'll be back. Someone, probably Sawyer, will try to dig up those diamonds and one or both of them, probably Nikki, will survive.

[quote=TheLostProject;1467656]Simply, they &quot;eventually&quot; told everyone. Its been 80 days or so. Paolo is STILL keeping that secret to his grave.

In the events you've listed no one outright said, &quot;Hey lets kidnap <insert Lostie name here> by doing this and this.&quot; If one of the A-Team or any NORMAL person would've heard another Lostie being threatened, I feel that they would've told the person. Quickly too.
All the revelations about the Hatch, the Beechcraft, the Medical Station, Henry's imprisonment in the Swan, the existance of the Pearl station came out ONLY when the situation meant that it was impossible for the person/people who found it to keep those things a secret any more. Until that point, the Lostie(s) concerned kept what they had seen very much to themselves. You'll also notice that they never seem to discuss past lives with each other. If they did, they'd likely find out very quickly about the web of connections that WE the viewers know to exist. Keeping important stuff secret from the rest of the group and acting weirdly (usually because of some bad experience in the past) is the guiding principle of Lost. If the characters acted in a normal and logical manner there wouldn't be half the drama.

Don't write them off just yet. I predict they'll be back. Someone, probably Sawyer, will try to dig up those diamonds and one or both of them, probably Nikki, will survive.

I disagree - being buried with dirt in your face (i.e. breathing dirt) their faces weren't covered so they have nothing to breath sort of leads to death pretty quickly. They have to get dug up pretty quickly if they were starting to come out of their paralysis because as soon as they are not paralysed anymore, they would want to breath. JMHO

When you bury something in the ground it leaves a mound of dirt at the spot.


You act as though that is a fact and a law of nature. If you're burying a small bag of diamonds that you don't want anyone to find, you can easily level out the ground.



Between that fact and whatever Paolo would use to mark the spot so that he could find it later, if Danielle (or any of the Others, Losties or anyone else who might be living on the island) passed by it, they might notice it.


You do realize this isn't a Bugs Bunny cartoon where big Xs actually appear at the spot of buried treasure right?






But, then again if a character makes a decision that you wouldn't then it must be a moronic decision... I Love this thread.


No, I don't expect everyone to be as smart as me. But I do tend to people people have some amount of common sense and certainly in this case a man who seems to function at the mental ability above an 8 year-old could find a memorable spot, dig a small hole, put the diamonds in it, cover it up without leaving a big mound of dirt, and remember where the hole is.

So yes, in this case, if a character doesn't have the physical and mental ability do that, he is a moron.

You act as though that is a fact and a law of nature. If you're burying a small bag of diamonds that you don't want anyone to find, you can easily level out the ground.


You do realize this isn't a Bugs Bunny cartoon where big Xs actually appear at the spot of buried treasure right?


Two facts:
1. If you bury something in the jungle, you misplace dirt and it causes it to look differently than the dirt around it... Unless you smooth it back out and cover it back up in twigs and leaves like as the rest of the ground is covered in.
2. You either wouldn't want to cover it back up and hid it entirely or you would leave Some type of marker so that you can find it, otherwise you would know the General area of where you left it, but if rescue comes then you have to go spend an hour digging around trying to find the Exact spot that you left it in. The entire point in Saving the diamonds is to keep them somewhere where you can go get them at a moment's notice. So, if you don't use a marker you're screwed and if you do use one or leave the dirt looking different than the ground around it, you run the risk of it being found.

Either way, there's no proof of any kind that this is somehow more moronic than leaving it in a toilet tank where no one looks and can be easily retrieved.


No, I don't expect everyone to be as smart as me.

ROFLMBO

Two facts:
1. If you bury something in the jungle, you misplace dirt and it causes it to look differently than the dirt around it... Unless you smooth it back out and cover it back up in twigs and leaves like as the rest of the ground is covered in.

Oh, so you say the misplaced dirt looks different... unless you smooth it back out.

Well, probelm solved. So what are we disagreeing about?



2. You either wouldn't want to cover it back up and hid it entirely or you would leave Some type of marker so that you can find it, otherwise you would know the General area of where you left it,

Paulo could have found an easily identifible spot... by a specific tree, by a specific rock. He doesn't need to leave a marker.

So if he uses common sense, smooths the dirt out and finds a natural marker... problem solved... no use going down a hatch into an area where there were people talking about doing harm to someone.



... but if rescue comes then you have to go spend an hour digging around trying to find the Exact spot that you left it in.

The entire point in Saving the diamonds is to keep them somewhere where you can go get them at a moment's notice.


He wouldn't have to spend an hour digging to find the spot and retrieve the bag in my example.

And yet somehow you think putting it in the toilet makes sense? So rescue comes and Paulo has to go to the hatch, climb down and then HOPE that no one is in there?




The entire point in Saving the diamonds is to keep them somewhere where you can go get them at a moment's notice. So, if you don't use a marker you're screwed and if you do use one or leave the dirt looking different than the ground around it, you run the risk of it being found.


As I said, if you think he wants to retrieve the diamonds at a moments notice, going to the hatch, climbing down and taking the risk that someone is there makes no sense.



Either way, there's no proof of any kind that this is somehow more moronic than leaving it in a toilet tank where no one looks and can be easily retrieved.


I'd say the proof is common sense.

Paulo could have found an easily identifible spot... by a specific tree, by a specific rock. He doesn't need to leave a marker.



Ohhh, you're saying that he should just bury it under one specific tree... in a forest full of them. Ok, then yeah problem solved. No way a person could get trees confused. Especially in a hurry.



And yet somehow you think putting it in the toilet makes sense? So rescue comes and Paulo has to go to the hatch, climb down and then HOPE that no one is in there?



The same hope that no one (including Nikki) is standing around or near your magically identifiable tree. At least in the bathroom, he could ask her for some privacy... as opposed to having her question why he's rooting around in the ground.


I'd say the proof is common sense.

I know you would. :)

The entire point in Saving the diamonds is to keep them somewhere where you can go get them at a moment's notice.
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The same hope that no one (including Nikki) is standing around or near your magically identifiable tree. At least in the bathroom, he could ask her for some privacy... And he definitely couldn't use the bathroom excuse before going to his jungle hiding spot. Besides, if they were about to be rescued, people would surely be loitering around his tree instead of gathering their belongings. It would make so much more sense to tell Nikki he suddenly had to run all the way to the Pearl to use the toilet (just how far is that again?) instead of, you know, using the jungle one last time.

Try not to hurt yourself bending over backwards to justify Paulo's actions. It's starting to look painful! :)

I'm glad to see you've finally accepted that something can be buried in a small hole and not leave a pile of dirt that alerts everyone to the fact that there's something buried in a hole.


Ohhh, you're saying that he should just bury it under one specific tree... in a forest full of them. Ok, then yeah problem solved. No way a person could get trees confused. Especially in a hurry.


Yes, I am saying that Paulo could have found a natural marker such as a tree or rock formation.

I assume that you are aware that every square meter of the island isn't identical? Every tree and every rock formation isn't identical.




The same hope that no one (including Nikki) is standing around or near your magically identifiable tree.

Magically identifaible tree? Again, you do realize that every square meter of the island isn't idenitcal right? You do realize that not all trees look alike don't you?

No offense, but seriously, it seems like you are just arguing for the sake of arguing without much thought to what your suggesting.



At least in the bathroom, he could ask her for some privacy... as opposed to having her question why he's rooting around in the ground.

I don't really understand what you're saying here. He could ask Nikki for some privacy in the bathroom when retrieving the diamonds? What is Nikki doing with him in the bathroom? So for some reason she goes with him to the hatch when he's retrieving the diamonds? I have no idea what scenario you're suggesting here so I'll just move on....




I know you would. :)

Well then there's hope you for yet my friend! ;)

I went back and rewatched the scene in the Pearl station. Here's the dialog:


J: Is that him? Shepard?
B: Yes
J: He’s cute. <pause> Why are we doing this? Shepard will never agree to do the surgery.
B: No, I can convince him to do it.
J: How?
B: Same way I get anybody to do anything. I find out what he’s emotionally invested in, and I exploit it.
J: So, what? We just grab all three of them, Ford and Austen too?
B: No, they need to come to us.
J: And how do we make that happen?
B: Michael of course.
J: Are we done here? This place gives me the creeps.


A couple of observations:

1) Paolo was hiding behind the bathroom door, and Ben and Juliet weren't exactly shouting. While we can certainly follow their dialog, there is no guarantee Paolo could too.

2) I doubt Paolo knew who Shepard, Austen and Ford were. We obviously know because, you may not realize, but we know more about them than they do about each other. And we know what happened. The dialog was so cryptic that even if Paolo had overheard everything, he might not be able to deduce that anyone was in danger, let alone Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

I'm glad to see you've finally accepted that something can be buried in a small hole and not leave a pile of dirt that alerts everyone to the fact that there's something buried in a hole.



Oh yeah, you can... I was just silly enough to figure that you'd want Paolo to have a landmark of some sort left behind.

Yes, I am saying that Paulo could have found a natural marker such as a tree or rock formation.

I assume that you are aware that every square meter of the island isn't identical? Every tree and every rock formation isn't identical.


Very true. And a needle doesn't resemble a piece of straw. Yet finding one in a haystack...

So for some reason she goes with him to the hatch when he's retrieving the diamonds?

If they're together when/if help comes... they just go their seperate ways? If someone showed up to take them away and Paolo has to go get the diamonds, Nikki is just going to let him go off by himself right then?

Explain again how all of this is "common sense"?

I'm wondering where the PTB got a second Yellow Beechcraft. They dropped one off that cliff two years ago no?

b.b.

I'm wondering where the PTB got a second Yellow Beechcraft. They dropped one off that cliff two years ago no?

b.b.

What? You don't own one?

If they're together when/if help comes... they just go their seperate ways? If someone showed up to take them away and Paolo has to go get the diamonds, Nikki is just going to let him go off by himself right then?Hey, she's not going to come with him if he just has to, uh, use the can. TPTB clearly established this in "Trisha Tanaka" (and everyone thought that was a throw-away scene!). So when the rescue boat comes, Paulo tells Nikki he's going to use the latrine, runs off while she packs their things, and he's back in no time with an extra sack in his pants.

And Nikki wouldn't notice he's been gone for a couple hours, even on the verge of rescue. After all, Paulo's been known to go through four or five magazines in a single "sitting"!

Explain again how all of this is "common sense"?You mean the part where the rescue boat comes, and Paulo tells Nikki he needs to go to The Pearl one last time? Hmm, I guess it doesn't make much sense... Maybe that's why he ultimately moved them.

Hey, she's not going to come with him if he just has to, uh, use the can.

Rescue finally comes, his first words are that he has to go to the restroom and she's not going to be suspicious...?

You mean the part where the rescue boat comes, and Paulo tells Nikki he needs to go to The Pearl one last time?

He tells her that he wants to use the toilet before they go... if she doubts him, then she watches him go to the Pearl and into the bathroom. Then, he can retrieve the diamonds while she waits outside.

Him having to run off when they find out that rescue has arrived is suspicious behavior... at leats in the toilet tank, he'd be able to play it off if she followed him.

) I doubt Paolo knew who Shepard, Austen and Ford were. We obviously know because, you may not realize, but we know more about them than they do about each other. And we know what happened. The dialog was so cryptic that even if Paolo had overheard everything, he might not be able to deduce that anyone was in danger, let alone Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

Bravo! Paolo probably wouldn't have known their last names. So he can be off the hook for notifying Jack.

But a hatch toilet is still a crazy place to hide diamonds, with Others about. Even putting it in the Swan toilet would have been risky, because these are obviously *old* toilets, and one would think they are prone to disfunction, and hence, people checking the tank.

Oh yeah, you can... I was just silly enough to figure that you'd want Paolo to have a landmark of some sort left behind.


I'm glad you overcame your silliness.



I said:


Yes, I am saying that Paulo could have found a natural marker such as a tree or rock formation.

I assume that you are aware that every square meter of the island isn't identical? Every tree and every rock formation isn't identical.


And you replied:


Very true. And a needle doesn't resemble a piece of straw. Yet finding one in a haystack...




Finding a needle in a haystack is hard because you don't know where the needle is located in the haystack. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense in this situation. Paulo isn't looking for a lost bag of diamonds in the forest. Paulo can bury the bag where he chooses to- somewhere he can easily locate again.

It's common sense. If you want to hide something you are later going to retrieve, you put it something you can remember. Paulo could have found a natural marker and put the diamonds there. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about that.




If they're together when/if help comes... they just go their seperate ways? If someone showed up to take them away and Paolo has to go get the diamonds, Nikki is just going to let him go off by himself right then?

Explain again how all of this is "common sense"?


Are Nikki and Paulo conjoined twins? Somehow you assume they are constantly together and Paulo can't venture from Nikki's sight.

Finding a needle in a haystack is hard because you don't know where the needle is located in the haystack. Your comparison makes absolutely no sense in this situation. Paulo isn't looking for a lost bag of diamonds in the forest. Paulo can bury the bag where he chooses to- somewhere he can easily locate again.


Locate how? Using landmarks, right? Trees and rocks? There are a Lot of trees and rocks and it's easy to get them confused... it's why Locke and Kate have been so important since season 1... they're trackers. Nothing we have seen from Paolo says that he is or that he would be able to navigate the jungle. Yet somehow it's "common sense" that he'd be able to.

This is all that you have offered as proof that his actions were stupid is this "common sense" which dictates... whatever you want it to. Paolo's moronic because he hides his item in a toilet, but Charlie's not even though he did the same thing. This is hilarious.

Are Nikki and Paulo conjoined twins? Somehow you assume they are constantly together and Paulo can't venture from Nikki's sight.

ROFLMBO
Is that even remotely what I said? Nikki is not going to be suspicious when Paolo needs to run off just as rescue is coming? She's not going to be suspicious at all? I'm gonna use your rules on this one and declare that concept "moronic" and against all "common sense".

This is fun.

He tells her that he wants to use the toilet before they go... if she doubts him, then she watches him go to the Pearl and into the bathroom. Then, he can retrieve the diamonds while she waits outside.



So in this scenario where you think it's best for Paulo to have hidden the diamonds in the toilet....... Rescue comes, Paulo tells Nikki he has to relieve himself and for some inexplicable reason, he needs to go to the Pearl station bathroom to do his thing? So he's making a special trip to use the Pearl bathroom and somehow that isn't odd and suspicious? Where does Paulo, and everyone else on the beach, typically relieve themselves? So in your mind it's not odd that suddenly Paulo says he needs to do his business specifically in the Pearl station toilet?

So in this scenario where you think it's best for Paulo to have hidden the diamonds in the toilet....... Rescue comes, Paulo tells Nikki he has to relieve himself and for some inexplicable reason, he needs to go to the Pearl station bathroom to do his thing? So he's making a special trip to use the Pearl bathroom and somehow that isn't odd and suspicious? Where does Paulo, and everyone else on the beach, typically relieve themselves? So in your mind it's not odd that suddenly Paulo says he needs to do his business specifically in the Pearl station toilet?

Maybe he says that he wants to be comfortable and use the toilet... it's irrelevant, because in this scenario she Sees Him Go so maybe it will be a little suspicious... but if she follows and he Didn't leave it in the tank then he's screwed and out of millions of dollars.

I disagree - being buried with dirt in your face (i.e. breathing dirt) their faces weren't covered so they have nothing to breath sort of leads to death pretty quickly. They have to get dug up pretty quickly if they were starting to come out of their paralysis because as soon as they are not paralysed anymore, they would want to breath. JMHO

Yes, but here's my reasoning:

1. The paralysis lasts eight hours so we know they were buried within that time frame but we can't be sure exactly how long it was, or how many times they were each bitten, so we can't say how long they will be in the paralyzed state.

2. The paralysis has the effect of slowing the heartbeat and breathing, so even a doctor would have a hard time determining they were alive. Therefore, they wouldn't need much oxygen and there could be enough of an air pocket to keep them alive if they were unearthed in a reasonable amount of time.

3. It's TV. Anything can happen.

Maybe he says that he wants to be comfortable and use the toilet... it's irrelevant, because in this scenario she Sees Him Go so maybe it will be a little suspicious... but if she follows and he Didn't leave it in the tank then he's screwed and out of millions of dollars.

The assumption that many of the people defending Paolo, is that Nikki HAS to be with him at all times. If this were the case then how'd he even have time to open up a hatch, climb down the hatch, walk around and explore, find a toilet, hide his diamonds, eavesdrop on a convo between juliet/ben concerning 3 strangers names and one that he recognizes "Michael" (whom I'm sure EVERYONE on the damn island knows him because of his frenetic search for his boy Walt), climb back out of the hatch and return to the island...

From the flashbacks we've seen, it seemed that Nikki was the adventurous one and was willing to go on these expeditions with the A-Team, while Paolo was the one merely FOLLOWING Nikki to protect her or jealousy or whatever. He could've hid it in the forest in a very easily recognizable spot, and when Nikki is off celebrating the rescue with the other Losties (which from Kate/Sawyer returning from Hydra, it showed that she was very social) he could've just casually walk to his hiding spot. Bingo.

This thread is like 9 pages too long haha and we're talking about hiding diamonds in the dirt versus a toilet (ugh), and common sense.

This thread is like 9 pages too long haha and we're talking about hiding diamonds in the dirt versus a toilet (ugh), and common sense.

Hey there's something to be said about this debate. I just went to the bathroom at work and looked into the toilet tank and guess what I found?

Hey there's something to be said about this debate. I just went to the bathroom at work and looked into the toilet tank and guess what I found?

Diamonds!

Genius, I'm sooooo gonna check every random rest stop gas station bathroom toilet tank...

Lets see how many moronic Paolo clones there are in the real world.

The assumption that many of the people defending Paolo, is that Nikki HAS to be with him at all times. If this were the case then how'd he even have time to open up a hatch, climb down the hatch, walk around and explore, find a toilet, hide his diamonds, eavesdrop on a convo between juliet/ben concerning 3 strangers names and one that he recognizes "Michael" (whom I'm sure EVERYONE on the damn island knows him because of his frenetic search for his boy Walt), climb back out of the hatch and return to the island...


Not to mention, we saw Paolo by himself playing golf when Desmond went up to him and took a club to use for his lightning rod. He was also alone when he was going to bury the diamonds on the beach. No, they're not joined at the hip.

And I agree that Nikki seemed to be the more adventurous of the two. Paolo was the protective one.
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Diamonds!

Genius, I'm sooooo gonna check every random rest stop gas station bathroom toilet tank...


You'll find more bottles of liquor than anything else...

Diamonds!

Genius, I'm sooooo gonna check every random rest stop gas station bathroom toilet tank...

Lets see how many moronic Paolo clones there are in the real world.

Bingo! Who doesn't like toilet diamonds?

Maybe he says that he wants to be comfortable and use the toilet... it's irrelevant, because in this scenario she Sees Him Go so maybe it will be a little suspicious... but if she follows and he Didn't leave it in the tank then he's screwed and out of millions of dollars.


Wow, are you serious? Someone comes to rescue them and Paulo says he wants to be "comfortable" so he's going to the Pearl to use the toilet? That is ridiculous.

And then you try and play it off and say "it's irrelevant"? Sorry, that's not going to work.

Wow, are you serious? Someone comes to rescue them and Paulo says he wants to be "comfortable" so he's going to the Pearl to use the toilet? That is ridiculous.

And then you try and play it off and say "it's irrelevant"? Sorry, that's not going to work.

If he says that he's going to use the restroom, she gets suspicious and follows him (which she will, because it's common sense) then he can't get the diamonds and he's out millions.

Whether she believes whatever lame excuse he thinks up to go to the Pearl to use the restroom doesn't matter... she can be as suspicious as she wants, but the bottom line is he will go to the toilet and she'll watch him go there. He gets the diamonds and she's none the wiser.

In both cases, she's suspicious, but only one in case is he successful at getting the diamonds. Hence your question is irrelevant.

Whether she believes whatever lame excuse he thinks up to go to the Pearl to use the restroom doesn't matter... she can be as suspicious as she wants, but the bottom line is he will go to the toilet and she'll watch him go there. He gets the diamonds and she's none the wiser.



Sorry, but Paulo telling Nikki he's going to to go the Pearl station toilet because he wants to be "comfortable" when he relieves himself is one of the more ridiculous things you've said.
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The assumption that many of the people defending Paolo, is that Nikki HAS to be with him at all times. If this were the case then how'd he even have time to open up a hatch, climb down the hatch, walk around and explore, find a toilet, hide his diamonds, eavesdrop on a convo between juliet/ben concerning 3 strangers names and one that he recognizes "Michael" (whom I'm sure EVERYONE on the damn island knows him because of his frenetic search for his boy Walt), climb back out of the hatch and return to the island...

From the flashbacks we've seen, it seemed that Nikki was the adventurous one and was willing to go on these expeditions with the A-Team, while Paolo was the one merely FOLLOWING Nikki to protect her or jealousy or whatever. He could've hid it in the forest in a very easily recognizable spot, and when Nikki is off celebrating the rescue with the other Losties (which from Kate/Sawyer returning from Hydra, it showed that she was very social) he could've just casually walk to his hiding spot. Bingo.

This thread is like 9 pages too long haha and we're talking about hiding diamonds in the dirt versus a toilet (ugh), and common sense.


Yes, exactly!
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Locate how? Using landmarks, right? Trees and rocks? There are a Lot of trees and rocks and it's easy to get them confused...

YES, he hides the diamonds using landmarks. He hides them using natural landmarks that he can identify.

You try and keep denying the FACT that a person can distinguish a difference between trees, rock formations and areas of the jungle. You keep making statements about how it's all so much alike and confusing. You try to compare deliberately placing a bag in a spot you choose and retrieving it with "looking for a needle in a haystack".

You keep denying the idea of natural landmarks and yet earlier in the thread when talking about Danielle you said....


And, seeing as she sets a variety of different traps, she has to now know how to avoid them and remember specific landmarks to try to remember where they are so she doesn't end up in one of her own devices.



"SPECIFIC LANDMARKS"?

Huh? You say a person can use landmarks to find something in the jungle? I thought it was easy to get trees and rock formations confused? How can a human being remember landmarks and recognize one natural formation is different from another?

You contradict yourself and try and change your argument just to keep arguing.


Somehow Paulo uses landmarks, memory and his general sense of direction to find his way back to the Pearl Station by himself to hide the diamonds ...

... BUT ...

When I say he could CHOOSE a place nearby camp to hide the diamonds that he knows he could easily recognize you think up every ridiculous excuse as to why he couldn't locate the diamonds again?

You make absolutely no sense.



it's why Locke and Kate have been so important since season 1... they're trackers.

Another "comparison" that makes no sense. The diamonds actually won't be moving. Paulo won't have to follow the diamonds through the jungle.



Nothing we have seen from Paolo says that he is or that he would be able to navigate the jungle. Yet somehow it's "common sense" that he'd be able to.

WRONG.

as I said, "Somehow Paulo uses landmarks, memory and his general sense of direction to find his way back to the Pearl Station by himself to hide the diamonds "

And I'm not sure why you keep saying Paulo needs to naviagte through the jungle to hide the diamonds. He doesn't need to hide them a mile into the the jungle. He can easily hide them nearby as I've said from the beginning.



This is all that you have offered as proof that his actions were stupid is this "common sense" which dictates... whatever you want it to. Paolo's moronic because he hides his item in a toilet, but Charlie's not even though he did the same thing. This is hilarious.


No, this is hilarious.... NOWHERE in this thread have I mentioned Charlie. Nowhere in this thread did I say Paulo's "moronic because he hides his item in a toilet, but Charlie's not even though he did the same thing." You're wrong again.


You contradict yourself, try to change your argument, and make false statements the more this goes on. It just gets more ridiculous.

Rescue finally comes, his first words are that he has to go to the restroom and she's not going to be suspicious...?Exactly my point! Thank you!!

If the first thing he said after the rescue boat arrival was "Time to go to the Pearl Potty again!" of course Nikki would be suspicious. Seriously, where has he been relieving himself all this time? So he's going to be returning to the outside world in a few hours and he can't just use the jungle one last time? Talk about giving yourself away!

You are exactly right to say that would be suspicious. However, if he just told Nikki he was going to use the jungle again, that would be par for the course. Who doesn't want to relieve themselves before a long trip?

All he has to do is bring a magazine with him. Nikki would be none the wiser!

Sorry, but Paulo telling Nikki he's going to to go the Pearl station toilet because he wants to be "comfortable" when he relieves himself is one of the more ridiculous things you've said.


And irrelevant... and I've proven to you twice why.

Huh? You say a person can use landmarks to find something in the jungle? I thought it was easy to get trees and rock formations confused? How can a human being remember landmarks and recognize one natural formation is different from another?


Danielle can recognize them as she's been living in the jungle for 16 years. I've already explained that some people can do it. The people I used as examples were Locke and Kate since they are trackers. I also said that Paolo can't because we've seen no evidence of him gaving the same ability as those two.

And I'm not sure why you keep saying Paulo needs to naviagte through the jungle to hide the diamonds. He doesn't need to hide them a mile into the the jungle. He can easily hide them nearby as I've said from the beginning.


The closer he hides them to camp, the easier for one of the Losties to stumble upon them.

No, this is hilarious.... NOWHERE in this thread have I mentioned Charlie.

Never said that you did.

Nowhere in this thread did I say Paulo's "moronic because he hides his item in a toilet, but Charlie's not even though he did the same thing." You're wrong again.


Never said you said that either... although you Did refer to Paolo's actions as "moronic", but you haven't called Charlie's actions moronic. That's interesting.

You contradict yourself, try to change your argument, and make false statements the more this goes on. It just gets more ridiculous.

My "argument" has been from the beginning that you have no evidence of Paolo or his actions being "moronic" except for whatever you deem to be "common sense". Also, my point (which you've dodged marvelously) is that when choosing between hiding the diamonds in the jungle and the toilet tank, if he gets followed by Nikki, he can Only retrieve the diamonds if he hid them in the tank. If they're in the jungle then she will see what he's up to, but in the bathroom he is safe. Yet somehow he's made a "moronic" decision in your eyes. :confused:
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Exactly my point! Thank you!!


You're very welcome. Of course, whether he uses the jungle or the toilet, either way is suspicious... upon being rescued after months of being trapped on a desert island, the restroom should be the furthest thing from your mind.

And if what you say is true and he Should go before a long trip... then she should also shouldn't she? And yet, Paolo will be nowhere around her when they both head towards the "latrine"...

She'd follow him.

The difference between Paulo and Chalire was that Charlie was in an enclosed space, moving at 600mph, up 20,000ft in the air, and trying to throw away an illegal substance that if he had been caught with would have landed him in jail. A toilet may not have been the smartest place to throw away a sealed bag of heroin since those systems can be pumped, but given the fact that the flight attendents were chasing him, where else could he throw them away?
Paulo on the other hand, has the whole Island.

The difference between Paulo and Chalire was that Charlie was in an enclosed space, moving at 600mph, up 20,000ft in the air, and trying to throw away an illegal substance that if he had been caught with would have landed him in jail. A toilet may not have been the smartest place to throw away a sealed bag of heroin since those systems can be pumped, but given the fact that the flight attendents were chasing him, where else could he throw them away?
Paulo on the other hand, has the whole Island.
This whole toilet thing is like playing Russian Roulette with something that is obviously very important (to Paulo at least). OK, so some of you have never looked into your own toilet tanks. Well, I've looked in a few at different houses that I've lived in. If the toilet is "running" for too long, the first thing I do is check the tank because the stopper could be misplaced. I can't say that I look in there every day, but there's always the possibility that I will at some point.

The Others could be very clean people for all he knew! There was at least a 50/50 chance that these people that Paulo had never seen before would find his stash. Just common sense should have told him that. It's not like he slipped the bag underneath a bathroom floor tile. The toilet tank cover comes off FOR A REASON -- so you can open it!!!

The difference between Paulo and Chalire was that Charlie was in an enclosed space, moving at 600mph, up 20,000ft in the air, and trying to throw away an illegal substance that if he had been caught with would have landed him in jail. A toilet may not have been the smartest place to throw away a sealed bag of heroin since those systems can be pumped, but given the fact that the flight attendents were chasing him, where else could he throw them away?


Under a seat, in a storage compartment, in his shoe... anywhere.

This whole toilet thing is like playing Russian Roulette with something that is obviously very important (to Paulo at least).

Anywhere that he put it was like playing Russian Roulette. Anywhere. Outdoors, it could be discovered And the elements have to be taken into account. It's true that he doesn't know how clean the Others are... all he has to go by are their clothes (filthy) and The Hatch (cigarettes laying around and unkempt).

Yes, the toilet might run too long, so he was taking a chance there... but, he'd be taking a chance that Nikki would follow him around and he wouldn't be able to dig the diamonds up later, so either way he's playing Russian Roulette. The tank seems to be as good a place as any.

Under a seat, in a storage compartment, in his shoe... anywhere.


That's where I would have hidden them IF flight attendants weren't after me. The only reason why he threw them in the toilet was because he didn't want the flight crew to discover the drugs on him. They obviously knew that something was wrong and probably would have either searched him or had the marshal arrest him until they got on the ground. The toilet was the only place where the drugs couldn't be immediately found.

Yes, the toilet might run too long, so he was taking a chance there... but, he'd be taking a chance that Nikki would follow him around and he wouldn't be able to dig the diamonds up later, so either way he's playing Russian Roulette. The tank seems to be as good a place as any.

Nikki does not follow him everywhere HE GOES. HE follows HER everywhere SHE goes. Nikki is fine functioning without Paolo. She flirted with Arznt, apparently friends with Kate, seemed nice to Ethan. What I'm saying is that she is the one that Paolo follows. Its not the other way around.

So at any given moment when she's hanging out with the other Losties, he could've easily just said "i'm gonna go (explore/take a dump/look for berries or boar/or anything else.)" then off he goes.

I would definitely take my chances with Nikki following me, which OBVIOUSLY if I were going to hide the diamonds I would MAKE sure it was a time that Nikki wasn't coming with me. Its not like Paolo is just going to PICK a RANDOM day to hide the diamonds INDEFINITELY and if it happens to be a day that Nikki is following him, he's out of luck. He can easily just pick a time when she was chillin with the losties. The thing with hiding the