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DevilChaser
03-29-2007, 05:12 AM
There has been a lot of disappointment with the "purpose" of P&N. Wouldn't it be funny if Sawyer's public gesture of throwing the diamonds in was for good PR. He then goes back soon therafter for the diamonds and miraculously P&N are still alive... or BETTER Yet - MISSING!!! I know, it's very Tales from The Crypt, but these days, anything is possible on the Island of Mystery.

What do you think??

God's tom
03-29-2007, 05:24 AM
I think if he had intended to go dig them up, he would have left them in the bag insted of scatering them throughout the grave. He'd have to dig up the whole grave & sift through all the dirt.
I think it was an act of attonement for having Sun kidnapped. Sawyer is slowly becoming a human being!

RodimusBen
03-29-2007, 08:27 AM
Yeah, I think it was a good bit of progression for Sawyer. I think he has progressed, despite what a lot of people say. Season 1 Sawyer wouldn't have rushed to help someone he didn't even know.

lostlocke
03-29-2007, 09:24 AM
I was proud to see Saywer throw them diamonds in the grave, I don't have the feeling that he'll try and get them back anytime soon. I think he has made wonderful progress with people throughout the course of this show, throwing the diamonds away was a smart thing. I could see if they were being rescued that Sawyer may remember the diamonds and try and dig them up though!! Until that point, I think they will stay buried!

LostMyMarbles
03-29-2007, 04:30 PM
I was going to start a thread--how scattering the diamonds proves that the Lostaways now are resigned that they will NEVER get off the island. Diamonds are compact, they won't rot or spoil, and even if the proceeds were divided among all the surviving Lostaways, the diamonds would come to about $200,000 each--a very nice nest egg to help them get back on their feet. Scattering them on the bodies was a rather poetic/theatrical gesture, but not practical for anyone holding out even the slightest hope of rescue.

But now you've got me thinking. If someone--Sawyer, Vincent, anybody who witnessed the scene--has second thoughts and starts rummaging around in the fresh graves, this might allow Nikki to escape in time. (I believe Paolo is truly dead, having been bitten by the whole godawful spider swarm. Hope she's sorry, the scheming murderess.)

CoffeeBean
03-29-2007, 04:36 PM
Sawyer's have so many stuff with him...

He might have switched the diamonds for some Swarovski crystals peeled away from a fancy mobile phone....

Saukkomies
03-29-2007, 11:04 PM
I wanted to add my voice to those who are saying that this act of throwing away a fortune was an honest and deliberate act of redemption on the part of Sawyer.

Ever since he has returned to the Beach Camp, Sawyer has been going through a LOT of introspective criticism and self-healing. When he watched Kate waltz off with Sayid, leaving him sitting by himself with not even a "see you later", it really shook him up. When he was able to pull his head out of his gloomy arse to help push the van off the hill, he (along with Jin, Hurley, and Charlie) re-invented himself in that moment. Then later, seeing Jin and Sun together, and Claire and Charlie with baby Aaron together, Sawyer had yet another epiphinal experience, visibly wishing that he too could have someone to be with.

So now we see Sawyer going out of his way to help someone else. And then, in a complete and total reversal of his heretofore revealed nature, he throws away Four Million Dollars' worth of diamonds into the grave. We saw him walk away from money before in 01x08 "Confidence Man (http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Confidence_Man)" when he bailed out of a con he had set up with a couple, leaving $140,000 dollars in their house and walking out. Back then he did this for moral reasons (he'd just seen their young son, who reminded of himself and what he went through in almost exactly the same situation). So giving up the money was a way of fleeing his past in that situation. But why did he give up the money/diamonds last night?

The answer to that is, I believe, that Sawyer was giving up the diamonds as a form of a sacrifice. He wants to change. He wants something to change inside of him, so that he can become the kind of person who someone else would want to be with. He wants to leave behind his life of conning and criminal behavior, and achieve redemption. I was so deeply moved by his giving away the diamonds! I really think this is one of the most positive things I've ever seen happen in Lost. Sawyer just might be someone who ends up being healed by the Island. How about that for a trip?

dmchez
03-30-2007, 01:55 AM
I don't think for a minute that Sawyer didn't take a few of the diamonds out for himself.
Even Sun could have taken a couple too. They didn't show what she did with them. When he threw them in I thought it didn't seem like all of them where there. What do you all think?

God's tom
03-30-2007, 04:56 AM
I think the whole point of the show is redemption - before our survivors get rescued / find a way off the island, each of them is gonna have to come to terms with their sins / ghosts of their past lives. I think, if Locke's dad is the real Sawyer, James Ford MUST confront him & forgive him. (Then & only then - a Jedi will he be! :jedi3: :rotflmao2: )

Exodus666
03-30-2007, 06:25 AM
Uh... yeah... introspection and stuff...

Don't think for a second if they aren't suddenly rescued right now, Sawyer wont be half buried digging down that grave.

Pretty sure he'd have company too.

-Exodus

LostMyMarbles
03-30-2007, 02:55 PM
I wanted to add my voice to those who are saying that this act of throwing away a fortune was an honest and deliberate act of redemption on the part of Sawyer.

I believe, that Sawyer was giving up the diamonds as a form of a sacrifice.

That's all very well for him. He could have publicly renounced his share of the loot and let someone else (like Sun or Hurley) have custody of the diamonds for the Lostaways to cash in, in case of rescue.

I'd also like to point out that technically, the diamonds belong either to the heirs (relatives) of Nikki and Paolo, or better yet (if their crime could be traced) to the family from which they were stolen in the first place.

Still, I have to say that glittering diamonds scattered atop the guilty undead kinda fit the campy feel of the episode.

Saukkomies
03-30-2007, 03:16 PM
That's all very well for him. He could have publicly renounced his share of the loot and let someone else (like Sun or Hurley) have custody of the diamonds for the Lostaways to cash in, in case of rescue.

I'd also like to point out that technically, the diamonds belong either to the heirs (relatives) of Nikki and Paolo, or better yet (if their crime could be traced) to the family from which they were stolen in the first place.

Still, I have to say that glittering diamonds scattered atop the guilty undead kinda fit the campy feel of the episode.

He did try to give the diamonds away once to Jin, but got slapped when she returned them to him. I think that burying the diamonds is a much stronger sacrifice than just giving them away to someone else. It's a way of Sawyer to completely turn his back on his miserly, money grubbing, packratting ways, and to gain redemption. In my humble and limited opinion...

kdog
03-30-2007, 03:16 PM
The answer to that is, I believe, that Sawyer was giving up the diamonds as a form of a sacrifice. He wants to change. He wants something to change inside of him, so that he can become the kind of person who someone else would want to be with. He wants to leave behind his life of conning and criminal behavior, and achieve redemption. I was so deeply moved by his giving away the diamonds! I really think this is one of the most positive things I've ever seen happen in Lost. Sawyer just might be someone who ends up being healed by the Island. How about that for a trip?

Beautiful. We've witnessed physical healing, and lack of healing, but this mental healing idea for Sawyer is great.

Shardyk
03-30-2007, 04:02 PM
That was Sawyer being... not himself. It was a good character moment. No way he's going to find the diamonds in all that dirt.

MyLost
03-30-2007, 04:17 PM
Vincent will dig up Pikki and then they will all accuse Sawyer of digging them up to get the diamonds!

ToutureMeSy
03-30-2007, 04:22 PM
I guess I am the only one who doesn't want to see Sawyer change-I like his former selfish, evil self-he's more fun to watch then almost anyone else, except for maybe Hurley.

I have said from the beginning that if I were on the island, Sawyer would be my best friend, because he's a man that gets things done, even if his methods are sometimes unethical-oh well.

I think that the only reason that he threw the diamonds in is because he's a pragmatist-he knows that the good guy points he will earn by doing so outweigh the ever-shrinking chance that he will ever get off the island-at this point, it's easier for him to have people like him for doing the right thing rather than hate him for keeping some useless stones that have no value in his current situation.

He's not a hero-he's smart.

I have no doubt that should a plane/boat/raft/rocket find its way towards the island for a rescue, Sawyer will beat the land speed record to dig those puppies up!!

Caffreys
03-30-2007, 04:29 PM
I was going to start a thread--how scattering the diamonds proves that the Lostaways now are resigned that they will NEVER get off the island. Diamonds are compact, they won't rot or spoil, and even if the proceeds were divided among all the surviving Lostaways, the diamonds would come to about $200,000 each--a very nice nest egg to help them get back on their feet. Scattering them on the bodies was a rather poetic/theatrical gesture, but not practical for anyone holding out even the slightest hope of rescue.

THat's exactly what I thought too. I even posted about it the thread about what we learned in this epi. I think that Sawyer, and even Sun, have given up hope about being rescued. Sun is right, the diamonds have no worth on the island, but they will always have worth in the outside world. By throwing them away, they are saying that they know they will not be rescued.

LostMyMarbles
03-30-2007, 06:41 PM
That was Sawyer being... not himself. It was a good character moment. No way he's going to find the diamonds in all that dirt.

I would spend a LONG TIME sifting dirt to acquire $8 million in diamonds. Isn't that how they're often found in the first place?

Grave dirt would be horribly stinky and gross, though.