It just hit me. Remember "Adam and Eve". Past, present and future are melding into one on this island. Time is crucial to this story and the producers have said that Pikki are "iconic" characters. Just a thought.

So who digs them back up and moves them to the caves?

So who digs them back up and moves them to the caves?
the Prior of Sion :p

It just hit me. Remember "Adam and Eve". Past, present and future are melding into one on this island. Time is crucial to this story and the producers have said that Pikki are "iconic" characters. Just a thought.


Wait...how can they be Adam and Eve if they died so long after the discovery of Adam and Eve??? :confused:

So who digs them back up and moves them to the caves?

... Vincent? :rolleyes:

I think this is very likely. I think the writers have alluded to some sort of time travel in obvious ways and Saywer not knowing who these characters are for at least two episodes is significant.

They might not have to die in the cave with precious stones to be the same. They can be the same characters in a more modern setting. The universe has a way of couse correcting, was it called?

Or they can be dug up and moved much much later and given the patch of stones to be a symbol for their demise. One of the characters who figures out the island and believes this is what is meant to be might do this.

This could support the idea that Jacob is one of the Losties, and doesn't know he is Jacob yet, or that Walt or Aaron become important driving forces on the island, or are the important driving forces. Who knows at this point?

I think this is very likely. I think the writers have alluded to some sort of time travel in obvious ways and Saywer not knowing who these characters are for at least two episodes is significant.

They might not have to die in the cave with precious stones to be the same. They can be the same characters in a more modern setting. The universe has a way of couse correcting, was it called?

Or they can be dug up and moved much much later and given the patch of stones to be a symbol for their demise. One of the characters who figures out the island and believes this is what is meant to be might do this.

This could support the idea that Jacob is one of the Losties, and doesn't know he is Jacob yet, or that Walt or Aaron become important driving forces on the island, or are the important driving forces. Who knows at this point?



Exactly - you said it better than I did. At this point, how can we that sure of our facts? Since Des turned the key, things have been out of wack. Time is distorting, people seem to be acting different to me - from Jack on down. Who knows?

I know the producers said "iconic" when describing Pikki. That means they are pretty significant (like being Adam and Eve) or that they are iconic for being so hated by the fanbase or something.

I gotta disagree. I think people are reading too much into what was just meant to be an entertaining episode that showed the happenings on the Island from a different perspective.

So who digs them back up and moves them to the caves?

I think the surf digs them back up. Remember what Locke said "Things don't stay buried on this island....blah blah blah". That was foreshadowing that the surf unburies them and they'll get moved to the caves. Perhaps while holding black and white stones?

I think that would make these two characters relevant for once, plus answer the mythology issue, and be a game changer.

Time is definitely something pertinent. You not only had Desmond's weird flashback, but also Sawyer reading Wrinkle in Time, and I'm sure if you go episode by episode there are many other references. Other books? Hints? Makes me want to watch seasons 1 and 2 all over again....

I think Adam and Eve are going to end up being Ben's parents. There was some brief talk about them (his parents) in the previous episode, and I immediately thought about Adam and Eve.

This could support the idea that Jacob is one of the Losties, and doesn't know he is Jacob yet, or that Walt or Aaron become important driving forces on the island, or are the important driving forces. Who knows at this point?

If this is true, could Jack = Jacob?

the producers said "iconic" when describing Pikki.

I hope the producers were drunk and slurring their words. Maybe they meant "ironic".

I sure hope not. I don't want one of my favorite season one episodes to be ruined by those two.

Adam and Eve had no marks or trauma to their bodies to indicate how they died. Paulo and Nikki were paralyzed and then buried alive, leaving not marks or trauma to the body.

Adam and Eve were found with a strangely intact (considering the deterioration of the rest of their clothing) black pouch with two stones inside. Paulo and Nikki brought the pouch to the island - the bag containing the diamonds. The bag was not buried with Paulo and Nikki, so it will deteriorate at a slower rate then the rest of there clothing.

As Locke said, nothing on the island stays buried. If all the speculation about time loops is true, I think our Losties are going to dig up Paulo and Nikki, put the two stones in the pouch, and leave the pair and the pouch in the caves as a hint to themselves during future time iteration.

wow that would hurt my head a bit

Adam and Eve had no marks or trauma to their bodies to indicate how they died. Paulo and Nikki were paralyzed and then buried alive, leaving not marks or trauma to the body.

Adam and Eve were found with a strangely intact (considering the deterioration of the rest of their clothing) black pouch with two stones inside. Paulo and Nikki brought the pouch to the island - the bag containing the diamonds. The bag was not buried with Paulo and Nikki, so it will deteriorate at a slower rate then the rest of there clothing.

As Locke said, nothing on the island stays buried. If all the speculation about time loops is true, I think our Losties are going to dig up Paulo and Nikki, put the two stones in the pouch, and leave the pair and the pouch in the caves as a hint to themselves during future time iteration.

The bag was buried with Paulo and Nikki.

Adam and Eve had no marks or trauma to their bodies to indicate how they died. Paulo and Nikki were paralyzed and then buried alive, leaving not marks or trauma to the body.

Adam and Eve were found with a strangely intact (considering the deterioration of the rest of their clothing) black pouch with two stones inside. Paulo and Nikki brought the pouch to the island - the bag containing the diamonds. The bag was not buried with Paulo and Nikki, so it will deteriorate at a slower rate then the rest of there clothing.

As Locke said, nothing on the island stays buried. If all the speculation about time loops is true, I think our Losties are going to dig up Paulo and Nikki, put the two stones in the pouch, and leave the pair and the pouch in the caves as a hint to themselves during future time iteration.

A hint to themselves about what? I'd think a letter saying "Hey guys... times looping... do something" would be a better hint.

The bag was buried with Paulo and Nikki.

Sawyer scattered the diamonds over them, but it looked to me like he held on to the pouch.

still waiting for the "proof"...

I don't quite understand. So Nikki and Paulo crash on the island and survive. A few days/weeks later Kate and Jack find Adam and Eve in the cave. 80 some odd days later Nikki and Paulo get burried. How can Nikki and Paulo be Adam and Eve? I must be missing something.

Sawyer scattered the diamonds over them, but it looked to me like he held on to the pouch.

No he tossed the pouch in there too, you can see it when they're throwing the sand on Nikki.

I don't quite understand. So Nikki and Paulo crash on the island and survive. A few days/weeks later Kate and Jack find Adam and Eve in the cave. 80 some odd days later Nikki and Paulo get burried. How can Nikki and Paulo be Adam and Eve? I must be missing something.

Time-looping is the answer.
Or multiple time lines etc.

First off, the black pouch, WAS NOT buried with Nikki and Paolo. Sawyer poured the diamonds into his hand and then spread the diamonds over both Nikki and Paolo and then closed the pouch in his fist and stood and walked away.

With that out of the way...

This is exactly what my girlfriend and I were thinking when we saw the black pouch come out of the Russian "doll". I was expecting to see the black and white stones (thought they might be precious gems or something) but then there were diamonds. Another reason that I think this may be true is Nikki and Paolo didn't show up in the show until after the hatch implosion. Now I know last nights epi showed them on the island before the implosion, but as far as the audience is concerned, we haven't seen them until the implosion. So I am thinking that the implosion of the hatch caused the time anomaly (granting Desmond is precognition and I think bringing Nikki and Paolo into the time line. Of course given the information from last night, the annomaly could have merged two timelines/dimensions that are no coexisting on our beach.

Just thoughts.

I don't think they are Adam and Eve. That is pretty gruesome to dig up two people and place them in the caves to show time is looping. That just seems offf the wall.

I don't quite understand. So Nikki and Paulo crash on the island and survive. A few days/weeks later Kate and Jack find Adam and Eve in the cave. 80 some odd days later Nikki and Paulo get burried. How can Nikki and Paulo be Adam and Eve? I must be missing something.
I believe that something regarding time loop will "explain" that in future. I still believe in the "iconic" nature of those two characters...

First off, the black pouch, WAS NOT buried with Nikki and Paolo. Sawyer poured the diamonds into his hand and then spread the diamonds over both Nikki and Paolo and then closed the pouch in his fist and stood and walked away.

Just go watch the end again... the pouch is most certainly buried with them. Right on Nikki's stomach above her right hand.

It's a theory, I suppose, and the black pouch is keeping me from completely disagreeing with it. I wouldn't like it, but hey, it's not my choice.

Question, though: Why do people keep calling Nikki and Paolo iconic? I'm getting the impression that it's a quote, but whose quote is it, and when did they say it? I need context! :)

I think it's been made clear that Nikki & Paulo were gotten rid of because the fans couldn't stand them, & they are best forgotten. I'm sure the writers had INTENDED to make them iconic - possibly by having them turn out to be Adam & Eve - but if they tried to pull that off now, the fans would scream foul. They're just gonna have to find someone else to be Adam & Eve.

Just go watch the end again... the pouch is most certainly buried with them. Right on Nikki's stomach above her right hand.


My apologies. I just went and watched the end again. The pouch is being buried with them. I guess I wasn't paying that close attention when they were shoveling dirt. My thought was based on seeing Sawyer dump the diamonds out and toss them in to the grave, but didn't toss the pouch before the scene cut to the next.

I still think they will end up being "Adam & Eve".

Question, though: Why do people keep calling Nikki and Paolo iconic? I'm getting the impression that it's a quote, but whose quote is it, and when did they say it? I need context! :)

He11Fire, there is at least one reference that I know about the "iconic" thing in an interview Damon gave to EW.com last january: ''We had a plan when we introduced them… when the plan is executed, Nikki and Paulo will be iconic characters on the show.''
I don't know If I can paste the link for that interview here (I never know those rules lol)...but if you go to EW.com it is very easy to find...

When the comments were made about the deterioration of A&E's clothes, no one mentioned that they were wearing ridiculous island clothes...

Do you think they can build a flux-capacitor?

Sorry...had to do it.

So I am thinking that the implosion of the hatch caused the time anomaly (granting Desmond is precognition and I think bringing Nikki and Paolo into the time line. Of course given the information from last night, the annomaly could have merged two timelines/dimensions that are no coexisting on our beach.

Oh, bravo GotLost I think you're right! Very good. I've always suspected that Paulo & Nikki's sudden and awkward entry to the island was deliberately badly done, and I think you've got a good theory as to why it was done.

I think last night's episode is simply the result of so much negative feedback from fans about Nikki and Paolo-none of us could stand them, we rejected the idea of accepting them as true residents of the island, so TPTB wrote them off in such a way that also allowed the episode to have at least a little humor and a few possible clues towards future episodes that will clearly be more important than this one.

But hey, I like any epi that causes Sawyer to take off his shirt and dig a sweaty hole. If a few more extras need to die for the cause, so be it!!

I think the surf digs them back up. Remember what Locke said "Things don't stay buried on this island....blah blah blah". That was foreshadowing that the surf unburies them and they'll get moved to the caves. Perhaps while holding black and white stones?
They are buried in the cemetary.

Next to Shannon, Boone, Ana Lucia, Libby, Sceve, and, I believe, Ethan.

Do they all get washed up and moved to the caves?

To think Nikki & Paulo are Adam & Eve has zero evidence to support it, and requires so many leaps of faith and forgoing of internal Lost logic to make it feasible. There isn't even a single clue tying them together, we only have two sets of male/female corpse pairs.

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=74278

I know not who Adam and Eve will end up being BUT I sure did think of them and the white and black stones when I saw the pouch of diamonds.

When it all comes down to it, the pouch will symbolize good and bad together and the two choosing to die together, whether at the same or different times. I've always thought the pouch was akin to drawing "the shortest straw" (or, in this case, a particular color rock) in order to make a random decision... and that Adam and Eve refused to make that decision and chose to die together rather than do whatever would have been indicated by one of them choosing a rock from the pouch.

Then again, another possibility: (depending on time loops and about everything else in the world) On the island, true love can be symbolized by two stones as easily as a group of finely cut diamonds. Adam and Eve "had their diamonds," if stones of any sort can represent love.

That was just waxing philosophic. I still go with my first thoughts. :)

Now I know last nights epi showed them on the island before the implosion, but as far as the audience is concerned, we haven't seen them until the implosion. So I am thinking that the implosion of the hatch caused the time anomaly (granting Desmond is precognition and I think bringing Nikki and Paolo into the time line. Of course given the information from last night, the annomaly could have merged two timelines/dimensions that are no coexisting on our beach.

Just thoughts.
This is what I've been thinking.
Any Buffy fans here? This idea is reminiscent of Dawn's introduction season five. Its different in that she really had never been Buffy's sister in the past but the implanted memories make it seem as though she was. Just gives me a similar vibe, the audience know but the characters don't. Dramatic irony?

I previously thought that perhaps Desmond had changed the future somehow during his "flashback" resulting in Paolo and Nikki taking a flight they were never supposed to, but I didn't see any evidence of this in her flashback.

i can see the adam and eve thing.....this island is deffinitly messed up and anything can happen.....but nikki and paulo had to be there before the implosion i mean they met boone and the blond one(forgot her name) at the airport before the flight.....

i can see the adam and eve thing.....this island is deffinitly messed up and anything can happen.....but nikki and paulo had to be there before the implosion i mean they met boone and the blond one(forgot her name) at the airport before the flight.....

Yes, but that all happened in a different time line.

In one timeline, Paulo & Nikki got arrested for murder and naver made it on to the plane.

That's the time line we've been observing up until the end of season 2.

In another time line, Paulo & Nikki got away with the murder and ended up on the plane.

That's the timeline we've been seeing in season 3

They are buried in the cemetary.

Next to Shannon, Boone, Ana Lucia, Libby, Sceve, and, I believe, Ethan.

Do they all get washed up and moved to the caves?

To think Nikki & Paulo are Adam & Eve has zero evidence to support it, and requires so many leaps of faith and forgoing of internal Lost logic to make it feasible. There isn't even a single clue tying them together, we only have two sets of male/female corpse pairs.


Ethan want buried in the cemetary I belive he was put a little off the cemetary, And I think your right about Nikki and Paulo being Adam & Eve, I think thats totally bonk because how would two people that have been there for about 80 days and just died end up in a mummifed state when Jack found them 60+ days ago it just doent work

Time is definitely something pertinent. You not only had Desmond's weird flashback, but also Sawyer reading Wrinkle in Time, and I'm sure if you go episode by episode there are many other references. Other books? Hints? Makes me want to watch seasons 1 and 2 all over again....

The book A Brief History of Time, has pooped up a few times this season. I read the book twice and there are some sections that are theoretical and time is discussed. There is also the conversation between Hurley and Sayid back when they are listening to a song coming through one of the radios they have. It was an old-fashioned song and Syaid says that it could be coming from anywhere and hurley says "or anytime dude". I am sure that there are more, but I have only seen one episode twice, the rest I only watched once.

Man, I gotta go buy 'em.

I think Adam and Eve are going to end up being Ben's parents. There was some brief talk about them (his parents) in the previous episode, and I immediately thought about Adam and Eve.

Possibly but the one thing that make me think it's not Ben's parents is the fact that we've seen the "Other's" funeral tradition. They all wear white (even the deceased i think) and they send the body off on a raft and set it a blaze. Hard to imagine adam and eve going through such a funeral and ending up in the caves.

Ultimately the ratings will decide how quickly we'll get our answers.

Ultimately the ratings will decide how quickly we'll get our answers.

Unfortunately true, but at least we know that the show is confirmed for another season and the downwards rating prob seems to have leveled off at a very respectable 12 million.

The things that has gotten me about Adam and Eve, and the reason I think that Jack is Adam is the black and white stones. A&E were found with the stones and Jack is currently in possession of them. It is, of course, possible that off camera jack put them down or gave them to someone else, or anything really. But I don't think that Nikki and Paolo were in possession of them.

I hope the producers were drunk and slurring their words. Maybe they meant "ironic".

I heard this on another board. It's a small world.

Um, I think this theory is reaching a little bit. No offense.

Um, I think this theory is reaching a little bit. No offense.

I don't like the idea of Nikki and Paolo being Adam and Eve because every theory thus far about A&E have been pretty grand, ie: they're Ben's parents, they're the founders of the Hostiles' society, they were on the Black Rock, etc etc. It would be so anticlimactic to have it be 2 nothing characters from 4-5 episodes in the 3rd season that nobody even liked.

That being said, even I can admit there IS evidence to support the theory:

- Both couples had no obvious marks to determine the cause of their demise
- Both couples were connected to a black pouch

The black pouch thing is kind of sticky because Jack still has the original, A&E black pouch on his person (or so we suspect), so there would currently be 2 of the exact same pouch on the island (we've created a time paradox, Marty!!), but even still, it is kind of creepy how similar the 2 couples are.

It just hit me. Remember "Adam and Eve". Past, present and future are melding into one on this island. Time is crucial to this story and the producers have said that Pikki are "iconic" characters. Just a thought.


When did the producers say they were "iconic"?

And what is the evidence for them being arrested in this previous timeline? Was there a season 1 or 2 episode where a character watched TV, read a newspaper, etc. where it showed them being arrested???

Sorry but I just want some clarification on this theory. Also, how would Desmond's changing (what did he change, he still didnt marry Pen, was it the clock to the head he got from the guy at the bar??) affect that outcome?

The things that has gotten me about Adam and Eve, and the reason I think that Jack is Adam is the black and white stones. A&E were found with the stones and Jack is currently in possession of them. It is, of course, possible that off camera jack put them down or gave them to someone else, or anything really. But I don't think that Nikki and Paolo were in possession of them.

So Jack gets the stones off the bodies, then travels back in time, gets buried and the stones are being put with him.

Where did the stones come from in the first place? Are they stuck in an eternal time loop with no beginning and no ending?

It just hit me. Remember "Adam and Eve". Past, present and future are melding into one on this island. Time is crucial to this story and the producers have said that Pikki are "iconic" characters. Just a thought.

Seems a bit far-fetched.