The others seemed to have left behind no trace of their exit, which gives reason to believe they used other means to traverse the distance. Underground tunnels, seem to be the obvious answer to the problem. That is unless they didn't just all ride on top of ol Smokey :cool: I suppose they could however use another device that could transport a large group at once, alas, such device does not come to mind at present time.

Juliette seems to hold a lot of answers and could prove to be a very useful source of intelligence on the Others. However, as she gains the trust of the Losties, she begins to gain a substantial amount of collateral to use in her favor if she were to ever be given the chance to leave, by the others. Is she still in cahoots with the Others?

Can anyone shed some light as to whether or not it was John Locke who threw in the gas grenade on Kate? (not that it really matters)

When John walked in on Kate his right hand was wrapped in bandage and his left eye was all bruised, could these be the results of torture by the Others or his the encounter with his father, which turned violent? I choose the latter. or at least believe that they are the result of his encounter with his father.

I'll have to rewatch to see if it was Locke with the gas grenade - I didn't even think of that at the time.

My thoughts were definitely on underground tunnels as well - my husband is convinced they went by boat.

The barracks are close to the shoreline, however a trail would be visible in broad daylight, especially since they left in such a hurry. the barracks would most definitely have a failsafe of some sort, in case of another incursion by the hostiles. the Dharma Initiative has proven that failsafe and precautions are necessary and must be implemented into every under taking. Every encounter we have had with their infrastructure has shown a means of either destroying or escaping it.

maybe their escape had something to do with the gas masks they were putting on.

maybe their escape had something to do with the gas masks they were putting on.

good point, confined spaces would require some form of respirator. never know what's in those underground tunnels :cool: Gotta respect the PPE

good point, confined spaces would require some form of respirator. never know what's in those underground tunnels :cool: Gotta respect the PPE


in fact, it makes me think of miners. the deeper you go, the more carbon monoxide you encounter. that makes me think that the others might have been going deep. really deep.

in fact, it makes me think of miners. the deeper you go, the more carbon monoxide you encounter. that makes me think that the others might have been going deep. really deep.

Isn't that interesting., what if back in, what was it, season 1 or 2? when the monster attempted to pull Locke down into the ground, is exactly where they are headed now. Seems to me that the only safe place on that island is inside it. until you turn a key and make the sky go purple. :cool:

Hmmm... I hadn't thought about it until I read this thread (thanks, realityaxe!), but now I definetely think they went underground. Remember the symbols that appeared on the countdown timer when the button wasn't pushed? I believe TPTB confirmed that it translated into "underworld" and seemed to make reference to there being a world underground, if I'm not mistaken.

So... I will make a prediction now that the new environment of Season 4 will be... "The Underworld".

So... I will make a prediction now that the new environment of Season 4 will be... "The Underworld".

YES!

Underworld: The John Locke Story

I like this Underworld theory. As for other options, they could have gone back to the second island, or possibly to the "fake" village, but those are too obvious, and again, they wouldn't need the masks. I wonder what their motivations were. They obviously have some big secrets that they may be willing to disappear for rather than have to possibly face confrontation with the Losties.

I'll have to rewatch to see if it was Locke with the gas grenade - I didn't even think of that at the time.

My thoughts were definitely on underground tunnels as well - my husband is convinced they went by boat.


There was another guy guarding the door, I'm pretty sure he was the one who threw the gas..

There was another guy guarding the door, I'm pretty sure he was the one who threw the gas..
*closes eyes* no .. no.. it was John., that way he could.. uh.. do.. *opens eyes*
yah it was the guard.

would of been cooler if it was John though :cool:

Can anyone shed some light as to whether or not it was John Locke who threw in the gas grenade on Kate? (not that it really matters)

There was another guy guarding the door, I'm pretty sure he was the one who threw the gas..

Hmmm... it's hard to tell, but I don't think it was Locke. He was wearing a yellow/light green shirt, which does make me think of a shirt Locke has been seen wearing, but it didn't seem like him, from the way he tossed the smoke grenade in. I don't know, it's hard to say for sure really.

Actually.. it may not have been the guy guarding the door. BUT he 100% had lots of hair, so it definitely wasn't Locke. :p

I rewound the tape and both Locke and the "smoke grenade tosser" were wearing an extremely similar shirt (colour-wise). I didn't notice that the latter had lots of hair, but it's true that he didn't look bald, so I concur: it was not Locke.

maybe their escape had something to do with the gas masks they were putting on.

How about they put the masks on to avoid the knock-out gas thrown at the ones left behind??? That would be my guess anyway. :biggrin:

How about they put the masks on to avoid the knock-out gas thrown at the ones left behind??? That would be my guess anyway. :biggrin:

But do you really need a mask when you're outdoors throwing smoke grenades into buildings with closed doors and windows?

But do you really need a mask when you're outdoors throwing smoke grenades into buildings with closed doors and windows?


Depends on the gas, but yes, you would still need masks. Imagine the scene, man pulls pin, tosses into door, only to have it hit door jam and roll back out. Next day Jack wakes up to find a bunch of unconscious Others lying around. So yeah, the masks were just for the gas. (IMO)

When John walked in on Kate his right hand was wrapped in bandage and his left eye was all bruised, could these be the results of torture by the Others.This is interesting to me. Juliet told Kate that was the 5th time her shoulder had been dislocated and it doesn't seem to me that she lived much off a rough & tumble life pre-island. Maybe they are brutal. I was reading whispers transcripts today and not sure if those are considered spoilery from past episodes but one of them mentioned "we need a torturer" which may be why Sayid has lived this long as well...

Locke's injuries were the result of his capture after the dock explosion. The wrist and face bruises show up in the end of TMFT.

I think the Others exited through a tunnel that led to their boat, where they took it to the Hydra for a short while till Juliet leads them out of the Barracks, then they'll return. Ben promised Jack he'd let his friends go free. How else can he get rid of them without inviting another intrusion leter on except to make it look like they've left permantently?

This is interesting to me. Juliet told Kate that was the 5th time her shoulder had been dislocated and it doesn't seem to me that she lived much off a rough & tumble life pre-island..
:)Yes,only she said it was ''the 4th'' time,which also makes it a cool Easter Egg!!(numbers)

I think the Others exited through a tunnel that led to their boat, where they took it to the Hydra for a short while till Juliet leads them out of the Barracks, then they'll return. Ben promised Jack he'd let his friends go free. How else can he get rid of them without inviting another intrusion leter on except to make it look like they've left permantently?

But why would they (the others) return to the barracks?
The Losties clearly know the location and how to bypass the surrounding defences, so what's to stop them from returning to the barracks?

No, the others have abandoned their posts at the barracks as it was not their true "home".

Everything is going to change.

But why would they (the others) return to the barracks?

Because I have'nt had the slightest hint they've got a better place to live. Until I do, I've got to assume they're temporarily living at the Hydra or elsewhere till the Barracks are clear. If there's an underground city, that'd be cool, but no matter how cool it was, who'd want to live underground over this place?

The Losties clearly know the location and how to bypass the surrounding defences, so what's to stop them from returning to the barracks?

Changing the code on the fence will take care of anyone going through, and they post guards to keep anyone from climbing over again.

The others seemed to have left behind no trace of their exit, which gives reason to believe they used other means to traverse the distance. Underground tunnels, seem to be the obvious answer to the problem. That is unless they didn't just all ride on top of ol Smokey :cool: I suppose they could however use another device that could transport a large group at once, alas, such device does not come to mind at present time.

Juliette seems to hold a lot of answers and could prove to be a very useful source of intelligence on the Others. However, as she gains the trust of the Losties, she begins to gain a substantial amount of collateral to use in her favor if she were to ever be given the chance to leave, by the others. Is she still in cahoots with the Others?

Can anyone shed some light as to whether or not it was John Locke who threw in the gas grenade on Kate? (not that it really matters)

When John walked in on Kate his right hand was wrapped in bandage and his left eye was all bruised, could these be the results of torture by the Others or his the encounter with his father, which turned violent? I choose the latter. or at least believe that they are the result of his encounter with his father.


Good post bro..

It was not Locke. Lockes eye was bruised when he was cuffed to the pipes--his hand was probably hurt too--although it could be from punching Cooper in the face 80 times:mad:

I think the big question still is why was Locke wet. I have no doubt it has nothing to do with the sub(its destroyed). But maybe he searched underwater for the subterranean passages or some other thing.

Good post bro..

It was not Locke. Lockes eye was bruised when he was cuffed to the pipes--his hand was probably hurt too--although it could be from punching Cooper in the face 80 times:mad:

I think the big question still is why was Locke wet. I have no doubt it has nothing to do with the sub(its destroyed). But maybe he searched underwater for the subterranean passages or some other thing.
i think the sub is still there.Locke would never leave his backpack plus,there wasnt visible right before going pop!As for the bandaged hand,that was weird!Punching Cooper 80 times(:))or maybe some nearby wall trying to remain his cool???

I wonder if anybody else heard what I heard?

Right before Kate was hit with the "gas" canister, she sat up quickly, and looked at the door,....

I heard a sound that to me, sounded like somebody getting hit, or knocked out, and falling. It was as if Kate heard it too,....because it was that 'sound' that made her get up and go to toward the door,....

Did anybody else hear anything unusual?

I wonder if anybody else heard what I heard?

Right before Kate was hit with the "gas" canister, she sat up quickly, and looked at the door,....

I heard a sound that to me, sounded like somebody getting hit, or knocked out, and falling. It was as if Kate heard it too,....because it was that 'sound' that made her get up and go to toward the door,....

Did anybody else hear anything unusual?
just rewatched the sequence ,dimpleonly.i didnt notice anything else than a thud as you said and chit chat between the others.Im sure penyours will have the last word about thaT!there must be something of significance amongst their words!!!

But why would they (the others) return to the barracks?
The Losties clearly know the location and how to bypass the surrounding defences, so what's to stop them from returning to the barracks?

No, the others have abandoned their posts at the barracks as it was not their true "home".

Everything is going to change.


I completely agree and can't wait to see where the Others are going! I'm on board with the underground tunnels theory too. Right from the start, even when they were dressing as hillbilly's, the others have been able to sneak around not leaving footprints or trails. I do see the gasmasks as just being for the gas, especially since they gassed Sayid outside presumable. In another thread a person with that kind of experience said it would be standard procedure for all members of a team to wear gas masks when working with...gas.

I do see the gasmasks as just being for the gas, especially since they gassed Sayid outside presumable. In another thread a person with that kind of experience said it would be standard procedure for all members of a team to wear gas masks when working with...gas.

There is no denying the fact that the gas mask is a key component in the "staying conscious" formula. However, the gas masks they were wearing could easily be used as personal protection equipment in a confined space (ie:tunnels). Wasn't there a lot more than 4 people? Only four people were knocked out, so why the extra others/masks? If there truly is an Underground city/infrastructure/community then the tunnels guarding them may contain dangerous gases capable of causing death. Perhaps, this is intentional and serves the purpose of keeping out unwanted visitors.

I think the big question still is why was Locke wet. I have no doubt it has nothing to do with the sub(its destroyed). But maybe he searched underwater for the subterranean passages or some other thing.

Why would he leave his backpack behind? He didn't. Instead he moves the sub and swims back to the dock. While moving the sub, he makes use of it's equipment, scans the island and discovers, passageways large enough for a sub to enter or perhaps an entrance directly below the island that would allow for below sea level surfacing (ie, underwater docking bay) The equipment on the sub would no doubt provide some interesting data on the island, regardless of whether or not passageways exist.

Because I have'nt had the slightest hint they've got a better place to live. Until I do, I've got to assume they're temporarily living at the Hydra or elsewhere till the Barracks are clear. If there's an underground city, that'd be cool, but no matter how cool it was, who'd want to live underground over this place?

Highly doubt that Ben would of grown up, living at the barracks, being trained with scenario after scenario that constantly tested his ability to manipulate/problem solve. ha ha. OK so we don't know if he was trained :cool:. However, there is no way a community could thrive in an area such as the barracks with such limited room. On another note, where are the children? Where is everyone else taken from the plane?

If the Others wanted to come back, they would have thrown the Losties + Juliette out, and turned on the fence, but they didn't. Every time the Losties discover their village they relocate. Sure the other village was a decoy, but I believe the barracks was also a decoy. If a four-toed statue of such magnitude can be constructed, why not consider the possibility of other structures existing on the island. They would definitely be way cooler to live in or close to.


Changing the code on the fence will take care of anyone going through, and they post guards to keep anyone from climbing over again.

The last time the fence perimeter was breached was by means of tree and axe, which allowed Kate, Sayid, John and Danielle to climb over. Thus rendering the code change negligible. How can they post guards 24/7 when the barracks only supports a small community. The vast area they would need to cover, would inevitably leave gaps in their patrolling defense, thus making their efforts useless.