Kate seems to be the one eyed Jack in the deck. HMMMM interesting.

If it's worth it... discuss.

I have my ideas but my ideas become better with yours.

Is Kate really that bad?

Kate seems to be the one eyed Jack in the deck. HMMMM interesting.

If it's worth it... discuss.

I have my ideas but my ideas become better with yours.

Is Kate really that bad?

Kate seems to be truly upset for what she has done. I think she is coming to terms with the consequences of her actions and how she needs to think more rationally and cautiously. She immediately plunges into every situation without considering the consequences, example, the food drop, running with the nitro glycerin in her backpack (thought she had it), going after jack, killing her dad because she was digusted he was a part of her. Kate has made mistakes like we all have, the main theme of the bond between her and Jack was, second chances

Why oh why did Locke say "I'm sorry to kate" where did he go? He's obviously gone now. Did he really blow up the sub? Or have they (the others, Ben and such) have another way off the island. I think they would have to at this point because they have certainly left. Gone... Poof..

Anyone know how or why, of course we have no idea yet right?
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BTW those ladies sure look good covered in dried mud, dont they?
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BTW those ladies sure look good covered in dried mud, dont they?

I find Kate to be the most interesting and complex character on the show. And she DOES look good in the mud...

Alright boys... Yes we know Kate is hot....:rolleyes: To answer your question Bill, Kate is not a bad person. Yes she killed her daddy, but we don't know the whole story. She hates that he was apart of her, Why? Maybe she lied to the Marshal about him knocking on her door at night. That would make anyone feel dirty about themselves, especially if it was by blood.
It's like that song "Janie's got a gun" by Aerosmith, sometimes you have to go above the law to get justice, and I think that is What Kate Did.
Now another point, Kate isn't the only one on this Island that has killed someone. What about Sawyer, Sayid, Locke, Charlie, I mean I'm sure there are more to mention, but i don't see why Kate has to Crucify herself everyday to pay for her sins, when everybody else on the island has crimes of their own that their guilty for. The Island is supposed to be a fresh start, a clean slate, so how come everyone else gets a clean slate except for Kate.

but the question reamains;

why did locke say he was "sorry" I figure locke chooses his words with thought

He was sorry that she couldnt join them whereever locke and the other's were heading whereever that may be. Least that was my take on it.

well boys - let us hope Kate looking good in the mud helps the ratings - although I believe they should be higher than the are -

Anyway -
I am still convinced Kate is an Other and I don't even think Juliet knows!

but the question reamains;

why did locke say he was "sorry" I figure locke chooses his words with thought

Sorry for what is about to happen maybe. Who knows...he must know something about what the others have planned for her.

but the question reamains;

why did locke say he was "sorry" I figure locke chooses his words with thought

He was sorry that she couldnt join them whereever locke and the other's were heading whereever that may be. Least that was my take on it.

Maybe Locke knew that unless he went to Kate and laid everything out for her, she'd want to go after him to get him back like she wanted to get Jack back. Locke most certainly doesn't want any new A-Team rescue mission to interrupt his answer getting from Ben.

I think he was also saying sorry in a more condescending tone rather than a sincere one. Almost like "I'm sorry I went out on a limb for you only to find out that you're not the person I though you were."

I am sorry Kate - more like I am abandoning you and I feel bad about that but I am leaving anyway

I like the idea of don't come after me - after all she does have a history of following people

Well, he could have meant "sorry" in a number of ways. My feeling is he meant it as a "sorry, there's nothing more I can do for you. I've got my own agenda and I'm outta here. You're on your own." kinda way. :shrug:

He seemed like he was apologizing for leaving Kate behind. Kind of how he said "I'm sorry" to Jack right before the sub blew up.. He knew that would force Jack to remain behind..

Kate seems to be truly upset for what she has done. I think she is coming to terms with the consequences of her actions and how she needs to think more rationally and cautiously. She immediately plunges into every situation without considering the consequences, example, the food drop, running with the nitro glycerin in her backpack (thought she had it), going after jack, killing her dad because she was digusted he was a part of her. Kate has made mistakes like we all have, the main theme of the bond between her and Jack was, second chances

Well, I think it's a little deeper than that even. Yes, Kate is impulsive and acts quickly - sometimes it works for her and sometimes it backfires. But more than that, I think the bigger thing that was shown tonight is that sometimes Kate is so blinded by her CARING for someone, that when she sees them in what would seem a very bad situation she feels she has to rush in and rescue them - she WANTS to HELP them. But I think she realized through her Mom and Jack that sometimes there is more to the situation the person is in and they may not want or need help and her interference only ends up causing them more pain or makes the situation worse. I think she learned that she needs to respect other people's decisions about their own life and accept that they truly may not want help. Sometimes, as hard as it is, you need to just step back, let go and trust the other person to make the choice that is right for them. :46:

Well, I think it's a little deeper than that even. Yes, Kate is impulsive and acts quickly - sometimes it works for her and sometimes it backfires. But more than that, I think the bigger thing that was shown tonight is that sometimes Kate is so blinded by her CARING for someone, that when she sees them in what would seem a very bad situation she feels she has to rush in and rescue them - she WANTS to HELP them. But I think she realized through her Mom and Jack that sometimes there is more to the situation the person is in and they may not want or need help and her interference only ends up causing them more pain or makes the situation worse. I think she learned that she needs to respect other people's decisions about their own life and accept that they truly may not want help. Sometimes, as hard as it is, you need to just step back, let go and trust the other person to make the choice that is right for them. :46:

Emma what a great post. This is why I love the Fuselage, cause I don't think I would have saw that connection. And i think you are totally right. Thanks for sharing that, and like you said it was deep.

You hit the nail on the head there emmadoggy.

I guess the line "I'm sorry Kate" really went to many levels. Particularly considering last we seen Mr Locke (excluding the expose flashbacks) he was befuddled about his father being there and then suddenly poof he's saying he's sorry to kate and is off on some adventure with the others donning gas masks and such and the whole darn town splits.

I thought John was so smug when he was talking to Kate.

Kate=pure passion. She has a lot of trouble seeing that her thoughts are always the right ones.

Actually I don't think Kate is deep.
Rather up on the surface. Very black and white
Step father = abuser So get rid of him. never a thought that her mother could actually want to be with him.

Jack=LOSTIE No way he would ever want to stay with the others. so we rescue him.

I thought John was so smug when he was talking to Kate.

Kate=pure passion. She has a lot of trouble seeing that her thoughts are always the right ones.

Actually I don't think Kate is deep.
Rather up on the surface. Very black and white
Step father = abuser So get rid of him. never a thought that her mother could actually want to be with him.

Jack=LOSTIE No way he would ever want to stay with the others. so we rescue him.


Yes, I agree. I think Kate has had trouble seeing that the choices she would make are not necessarily the choices someone else would make. I think we saw in the flashback last night during Kate's encounter with her Mom in the cafe, that yes, her Mom was abused by Wayne, but it was HER choice to make whether to stay with him or not - not Kate's. Instead, Kate made the choice for her and ended up ruining both of their lives and their relationship with each other.

The situation with going back for Jack was a little bit fuzzier, but it ended up the same - Jack TOLD her not to come back. He got her and Sawyer out of there and had his own plan for what was to come next - and it didn't involve Kate. But Kate couldn't imagine Jack didn't need to be rescued, so off we go - and in the end her interference messed up Jack's chance to not only rescue himself, but possibly all of them. Not to mention, it put them all in danger, and it caused the destruction of the Flame station which could have been useful to them.

Hopefully, Kate has learned that she needs to let others make their own decisions about their own lives.

Yes Kate with all good intentions seems to be the Gilligan of this island.

Yes Kate with all good intentions seems to be the Gilligan of this island.

:rotflmao2: she is quite the Gilligan. Except female and way better looking! :cool:

I think he was also saying sorry in a more condescending tone rather than a sincere one. Almost like "I'm sorry I went out on a limb for you only to find out that you're not the person I though you were."

Yes! I got that impression as well. Like he couldn't see her in the same way now that he knows what she did. With everything Locke's father has put him through, he has never tried to hurt him (at least not that I remember). I imagine his opinion of Kate's actions isn't the best. His saying sorry seemed more to me like he was sorry she screwed up so bad, and that there was nothing he could do to help her.

I got the impression that he meant "sorry" in a very condescending way. He thought she was "good" and went to bat for her,only to discover that she was "bad." Then he left her behind in handcuffs while starting his journey with the "good" people. Interesting.

well boys - let us hope Kate looking good in the mud helps the ratings - although I believe they should be higher than the are -

Anyway -
I am still convinced Kate is an Other and I don't even think Juliet knows!
Katie is HIM?hmmmm:cool: