back to the other island that they were working on before? let's start speculating as to where the others are going with Locke

my guess is underground...no reason why

Its really hard to say where they are actually going but theres plenty of places they could be going. They could be going back to the other island, they could be going underground, or for all we know their is another less civilized camp somewhere on the island, seeing as we havent seen all of the island yet.

They went looking for the "box". They think Locke can help them find it. They took Walt because they thought he might be able to help them, but apparently they got more than they bargained for.

I think the gas masks were a big clue. Underground is my vote.

Edit: I almost forgot about the sleeping gas. Maybe the masks weren't a clue. I still vote underground though.

I really don't think that they left the island. Locke wouldn't go for that, and supposedly they got rid of their only water transport.

I don't think they went to the Hydra. Juliet, Kate and Jack would be able to find them there. Underground does seem like a good option, or maybe up in the mountains. Somewhere Juliet hasn't been (unless you think she's a spy, of course....!)

About the box, Damon and Carlton said in a podcast it was metaphorical, not real.

I vote for underground... either that or another hidden village. Are we absolutely sure that this village is the one we saw in the season 3 premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities"? I would like to think that they would not take their prisoner Jack to their main base of operations so easily...

But, how could Juliet NOT know where they are going?

Probably where ever Cindy and the kids are. We saw some swingsets in othersville but no kids, I don't think they were there. Then again Jack said they were "safe"? I wonder if he saw them besides his one encounter with Cindy?

Definitely underground..

Tonight we had a reverse Trojan horse. Instead of the army coming into the enemy territory hidden in a horse, the enemy came into the army's territory - and the army hid.

They're going on a picnic. Since the Survivors were having a nice roast pig luau, the Others got jealous and wanted to have their own soiree, too. So they're taking Locke on a picnic up in the mountains...

Now that I think about it--how about wherever the power is being generate from? Or maybe the radio tower facility? Perhaps they are one in the same.

I think a big clue is Sayid's statement that they "vanished into thin air". Either they went underground (a distinct possibility IMO) or were sucked up into the sky "The Forgotten" style.

Wherever they are going, Smokey is probably salivating at all his new prey that aren't protected anymore by the fence. :biggrin: Having said that, maybe they actually will go underground if it protects them from Smokey.

Wouldn't it be funny if they really did "vanish into thin air" as in getting sucked into Smokey (or possibly each turning into a separate smoke monster, ridiculous as that may sound), and they (or just one of them) were checking in on Kate and Juliet on the way.

my vote is underground.

Underground could be a possibility.

Perhaps Ben is trying to understand how he can get back to the "heart" of the Island.

Remember, Ben sought Locke's advice on how the Island had healed him so quickly, and Locke confronted him on the hypocrisy of his depending on the "creature comforts" of the village while apparently abdicating his faith in the Island itself, yet expecting the Island to heal him.

The Island will provide, if you let go of your attachments and have faith.

I don't even get why they would leave in the first place that seemed like the safest area there was. Certainly safe from Smokey...I think the gas masks were a big clue. Underground is my vote.

Edit: I almost forgot about the sleeping gas. Maybe the masks weren't a clue. I still vote underground though.I'm guessing the masks were to protect them when they left the fenced area due to the quarantine or sickness, or whatever...

Underground could be a possibility.

Perhaps Ben is trying to understand how he can get back to the "heart" of the Island.

Remember, Ben sought Locke's advice on how the Island had healed him so quickly, and Locke confronted him on the hypocrisy of his depending on the "creature comforts" of the village while apparently abdicating his faith in the Island itself, yet expecting the Island to heal him.

The Island will provide, if you let go of your attachments and have faith.

I think you're on the right track. IMO, the only reason Locke is still alive is because Ben sees in him an opportunity to "commune" with the Island and regain what he himself lost (or never had). I think Ben's actually pretty clueless about some of the secrets on the Island.

In an open area you really don't need gas masks, unless you might come into direct contact with the gas. So its my contension that they were headed somewhere you would need a gas masks.

Yes, I vote underground and maybe they set off some gas canisters behind them to prevent being followed. After all they have no guarantee that no one else from lostie beach followed Locke, Sayid and Kate...or maybe they knew about Danielle after all...

We haven't seen all the hatches yet, have we? Perhaps one of them is nice and big to accomodate a large groups that needs to disappear for awhile.

Actually, however, I've been leaning towards deciding that there's a 3rd island very close.

There is "Lostie Island" where all of our plane crash victims are living on the beach and getting the occasional Dharma food drop.

There is "Others Island" where Ben and Company live in nice yellow houses and also feast on Dharma food. But, Ben doesn't have an airplane we know of nor would he probably be the kind o' guy to send the Losties large quantities of canned goods.

I think there's a 3rd island nearby. This would be the location of the "support" headquarters. (Maybe even electrical generators) This would be where the landing strip is. This would be where the Others may be going.

In an open area you really don't need gas masks, unless you might come into direct contact with the gas. So its my contension that they were headed somewhere you would need a gas masks.

I really think the gas masks were for the gassing that was being done to Kate and possibly to Jack and Juliet. Once they all left the Barracks/Otherville, they wouldn't need the gas masks any more.

There is "Lostie Island" where all of our plane crash victims are living on the beach and getting the occasional Dharma food drop.

There is "Others Island" where Ben and Company live in nice yellow houses and also feast on Dharma food. But, Ben doesn't have an airplane we know of nor would he probably be the kind o' guy to send the Losties large quantities of canned goods.


Othersville is on the same island as where the plane crashed. If it wasn't, then Kate, Locke, and Sayid wouldn't have been able to hike to it. The island the others were on at the beginning of the season is where the others work, but they don't live there.

Its my contention that they were headed somewhere you would need gas masks.

Hmmm... right! Somewhere where they would need gas masks...?

I've got it! They're going back to the beach where Sawyer 'n' Hurley 'n' everybody's at -- and you never know when those guys might accidentally bury you alive! (Or would that type of mask do any good?)

- mnw

I really don't think that they left the island. Locke wouldn't go for that, and supposedly they got rid of their only water transport.

What happened to that big boat that they all took back to the main island from the Hydra? It sure looked sea worthy to me, much more so than the little raft that Michael built anyhow.


Now that I think about it--how about wherever the power is being generate from? Or maybe the radio tower facility? Perhaps they are one in the same.

All great ideas! I love to see the radio tower facility.

I guess wherever they're going, they need to be able to transport Ben in his wheelchair and passably Anthony as a prisoner. They weren't packing light either which implies that there aren't a lot of supplies where they're headed.

I think they are going to another camp or hatch that we havent seen yet. I can't imagine what the masks are for if they weren't the ones that carried Kate and Juliet into the jungle. We've seen them away from their camp without masks on before. Underground is a good possibility too. They would need to get to one of the hatches first, I assume.

I think they went into the sky, ala S.H.I.E.L.D. (for you Marvel Comics fans).

They went looking for the "box". They think Locke can help them find it. They took Walt because they thought he might be able to help them, but apparently they got more than they bargained for.

I agree. I think they were heading towards the box. However, I think they know where it is they just need to open it or control it. I think it is tied to the 4 toed statue.

I think the Others are going to the 3rd island - the Observation Island, to work a long con on Locke to figure out why the island healed him, but not Ben.

I really don't think that they left the island. Locke wouldn't go for that, and supposedly they got rid of their only water transport.

They had at least two boats: the one they gave to Michael and Walt, and the one they used to bring Ben and the rest back from Alcatraz. The submarine was not their only water transport.

That said, I agree, they did not leave the island. Locke wouldn't have it, and there is still plenty of the island left that is unexplored.

The gas masks were for the gas grenades they threw. Although I don't like the idea of going underground, it does seem possible, remember when smokey tried pulling Locke underground?

Being in the military, whether you are in doors or out, gas is carried through the air, and a mask is needed regardless where the grenade was thrown. Wouldn't have made much sense to throw gas grenades only to have everyone pass out from them, so they donned masks for protection.

As for the backpacks, they probably took just what was needed for their hike to their destination.

I think everyone tries too hard to over analyze the situation, see it for what it is.

The gas masks were for the gas grenades they threw. Although I don't like the idea of going underground, it does seem possible, remember when smokey tried pulling Locke underground?

Being in the military, whether you are in doors or out, gas is carried through the air, and a mask is needed regardless where the grenade was thrown. Wouldn't have made much sense to throw gas grenades only to have everyone pass out from them, so they donned masks for protection.

As for the backpacks, they probably took just what was needed for their hike to their destination.

I think everyone tries too hard to over analyze the situation, see it for what it is.

I agree with everything you said Andok - especially the last sentence.

another vote for underground. But I think we are gonna get a big surprise there. To me it's gonna be a huge underground community with many many others/hostiles. And I would dare to label that as the so much anticipated game changer.

I think a big clue is Sayid's statement that they "vanished into thin air"

See thats what i thought too when i heard that being that there is no trail or anything. I suspect they have some form of a lift or way to go up above the island to perhaps a cloaked observation station(hey they have sonic weapons).

As far as the gas masks are concerned i thought they might be for where they were going at first too but then after seeing the gas grenade's they couldnt have been for anything else. They had to go in and get kate and presumably juliet in a large room filled with a knock out gas and based on what kate tried to do a towel didnt quite do the trick so voila thats why ya have your gas masks.

I think you're on the right track. IMO, the only reason Locke is still alive is because Ben sees in him an opportunity to "commune" with the Island and regain what he himself lost (or never had). I think Ben's actually pretty clueless about some of the secrets on the Island.

I think they are going somewhere to 'live off the land'. Ben has to be able to see into the 'heart of the island'. Only Locke can show him how.

I think if the others try to be 'one with nature' and if something happens to Ben...then Locke will become their new leader. He'll know what to do out there 'in the wild.'.

How the hell would they be able to take Ben underground? He can't walk, remember.

Also, anyone else think it's a little weird that Kate/Sayid/Jack/Juliet just, like, left? Wouldn't Kate the tracker at least want to check out which general direction the others headed in? Wheelchair tracks are pretty easy to spot...

It's obvious to me that they time-shifted and they are really still there just slightly ahead of those "left behind" so they became invisible since they haven't happend yet. :eek2:

I really don't know if they've really left otherville for good. It could be a trap to get the losties to move into their homes and then capture them.

How the hell would they be able to take Ben underground? He can't walk, remember.Also, anyone else think it's a little weird that Kate/Sayid/Jack/Juliet just, like, left? Wouldn't Kate the tracker at least want to check out which general direction the others headed in? Wheelchair tracks are pretty easy to spot...

How could they wheel him through the jungle either? I think most people are referring to the underground conduits/tunnels/whatever shown on the map. I think there are many such Dharma made tunnels on the island and they are probably smooth inside making it easy for Ben to wheel himself. Ben would not like the indignity of being carried. It would make him appear weak in front of his people -something he apparently avoids.

They wouldn't have to track the group until they exited the fence and we only saw what they did on the inside of the fence. Even then just because they originally headed in one direction doesn't mean they would stay on that heading.

I was just surprised there were so few of Others (50). I thought there were at least a 100. Subtract all the tailies and they were a pretty small group.

There is another angle to this that no one has mentioned yet. This could be all about Locke. But not that the Others want Locke to do something (such as help them find the "box") but that they want to help him (as Ben said he did at the end of 3.13) It's clear that Locke is special to the Others. Of all the main castaways, Locke is the only person that they deem worthy. Worthy of what? To meet Jacob.

How could they wheel him through the jungle either? I think most people are referring to the underground conduits/tunnels/whatever shown on the map. I think there are many such Dharma made tunnels on the island and they are probably smooth inside making it easy for Ben to wheel himself. Ben would not like the indignity of being carried. It would make him appear weak in front of his people -something he apparently avoids.

They wouldn't have to track the group until they exited the fence and we only saw what they did on the inside of the fence. Even then just because they originally headed in one direction doesn't mean they would stay on that heading.

I was just surprised there were so few of Others (50). I thought there were at least a 100. Subtract all the tailies and they were a pretty small group.


Perhaps the entrance to this underground tunnels is a big cave right next to the shore (like those ones we ahve seen in so many pirate movies)That's why


we see a submarine in next episode's preview

I agree with the going back to nature theory due to Locke's insistence that Ben did not heal like Locke because he separated himself from the island by living in the nice village with electricity, etc. Ben seemed to buy that, so I think they are all going to find their own beach, maybe back at the dock where the primitive village was.

They are on their way to Burger King, or the BK Lounge as some call it. They desire a BK Broiler along with some hot tasty french fries, but will be denied ketchup by the smoke monster and a standoff will ensue.

they found out Locke entered "77" at the Flame computer.
maybe they know that would trigger another "incident" or response from their enemies.
they were preparing for an attack. that would explian the gas masks and the hasty exit probably through the tunnels.

i dont know why they left really but in another thread, someone speculated it was to go meet Jacob. He may have summoned them for what seems to be an extremely urgent reason.

TBTB mentioned a possible 9 different factions of the Others. we may be on the verge of a second purge. Along with that, the community they live in was originally Dharma's which means their true home on the island is elsewhere and thats where they were returning to. no worries though, whenever we get back to the Locke/Cooper story it logically has to show alot concerning this ep. hopefully that will be soon

P.Stone

a second purge seems likely
but why the gas masks???

Umm gas masks, right before throwing gas grenades? Seems logical to me.

I'm sure they're headed TO something they consider very desirable, not fleeing. Locke said to Kate that she and Jack would have to stay behind. And he clearly argued for her to be allowed to come along, saying that she was worthy (a good person) and useful (reliable, smart, honest). To do so, he'd have to have assumed that she and Jack would want to come along, if they knew what it was.

If they were running away from something bad, he'd have said she had to stay there. Or more likely, he'd have given her advice on where and how to get away. And why gas them unless you're trying to keep them from knowing where you went and (perhaps) how you traveled?

Just something that came to my mind just now: Might it be possible that at the beginning of the season (Sawyer and Kate hauling stones scene), when Juliet was telling Pickett (I think) about the plan that had been moved ahead two weeks, she wasn't talking about Ben's surgery? Or at least, not only about Ben's surgery?
Just thinking, maybe them leaving the village had been the plan, and for some reason Jacob moved it, along with Ben's surgery, ahead two weeks? The whole leaving seemed rather abrupt to me, I have to say. Any thoughts?

i vote for underground as well. "the others" have never left a trail when they move around the island, suggesting to me there are tunnels through which they move. i briefly considered that they went to the third island that you see on the map on the mittelos bioscience web site, but as a co-worker pointed out to me, locke would NEVER leave this island. i agree and therefore whether they are underground or above grounds, i believe they are still on the main island.

Well a couple of thoughts. One is that we saw on Alcatraz Island what happens when the Losties discover where the Others are, the Others pack up and leave. Ben said they were going home because they (the losties) know about the place. This could be part of why the others are packing up and leaving the village.

The fanciful side of me wants to think that they are on the road to Shambala :) as the song playing in the hippy bus said. I'm more inclined to think that the Others and Locke are going somewhere that is a priveledge to be a part of.

My husband feels that they were entering a time-warp -- either going back in time or ahead in time. The whole "LOST TIME" thing. Hence the feeling that they vanished into thin air. No tracks/no trail. I think this is an interesting theory, and I'm starting to believe it!

They are going to the box, now that they have Locke they are hoping he can help them with it.
(Stop saying "its a metaphor" we don't know what its a metaphor for so it could just as well be a big box for all we know)

Obviously using the underground tunnels to get there since they left no trail, and im guessing u need gasmasks to use those tunnels for some reason.

The guy that chucked the gas grenade didn't have a mask on from what i saw so it couldn't have been just that.

-Exodus

They're going to the center of the island (via underground), where the 8 hatches pointed (like on the map Locke saw in the hatch that blew up).

I vote for underground. I noticed that when Sayid said that the others left leaving no tracks - that it was like "50 people just disappeared" - Juliett said nothing, even though she has to know about the tunnels. That's one of the things that lead me to believe she's not with the Losties to help. She's withholding information...she's a spy.

Just something that came to my mind just now: Might it be possible that at the beginning of the season (Sawyer and Kate hauling stones scene), when Juliet was telling Pickett (I think) about the plan that had been moved ahead two weeks, she wasn't talking about Ben's surgery? Or at least, not only about Ben's surgery?
Just thinking, maybe them leaving the village had been the plan, and for some reason Jacob moved it, along with Ben's surgery, ahead two weeks? The whole leaving seemed rather abrupt to me, I have to say. Any thoughts?

I think the plan Juliet and Pickett were talking about was to put Kate and Sawyer through hell for two weeks and (assuming Juliet had failed to win Jack over) send Kate into Jack to cry about what they were doing to her and Sawyer. But that all went wrong when Colleen got shot and Jack saw Ben's x-rays, so they sent Kate in sooner.

Anyway my theory is that Others have gone back to where they used to live. Assuming Patchy was telling the truth about Dharma and the Others being two separate groups, with Ben's people killing off Dharma and taking over their facilities. The barracks was mentioned in the Pearl video so it was built and used by Dharma. So where did the original inhabitants (who were there a long time before Dharma came) live before? Maybe near the Black Rock?

Also I don't think the Others leaving had anything to do with Locke or the Losties. I think it involves some outside party finding the island. Maybe Dharma are coming back? Or maybe it's Penny's people?

I can't say where, but I bet the Ben is doing something with Cooper and Locke and has the tribe coming along for help/protection. The question about Juliet is... since Ben no longer trusts her, was she discarded along with Jack, Kate & Sayid? Or is she somehow forgiven and now a spy to glean more info for Ben to continue to manipulate the Losties to his advantage. Juliet was believable when she said she didn't want to be left behind but I don't fully trust her so we will see if her motives become more clear next week.

Anyway, I can't wait to see where Ben, Locke and the Others are off to. I'm sure there are more villages we haven't see yet. I like the underground tunnels idea too.

Who says Ben no longer trusts Juliet? I get the impression they are in cahoots and doing something not totally known to the rest of the Others.

As for where they are going, I would guess it has something to do with the discussion Ben and Locke had about being in sync with the island. Since the Others were dressed in regular clothing instead of the rags they put on to travel near the Losties, I would say they are headed into the heart of the island via the tunnels.

Maybe they left othersville in a helicopter?

food for thought:

a) sayid mentioned something like: "they vanished into thin air"

b) access to technology: if they have a submarine and all other kinds of technical equipment, why not a small helicopter hidden in a shack?

c) helicopters make a lot of noise, hence the need not only to lock the losties into the houses, but to actually put them to sleep via nervegas - so they would not hear the helicopter sounds

d) they leave no tracks

e) easy way to move Ben around

f) could reach an otherwise impossible to reach location - i think I remember ben saying something like: even if you try, you'd never find us.

They're going to the center of the island (via underground)

the same place the whispers may come from?

Anyway, I can't wait to see where Ben, Locke and the Others are off to. I'm sure there are more villages we haven't see yet. I like the underground tunnels idea too.

The underground tunnels are not just an idea..they are real....they were on the map that Locke was looking at in "press 77"

imo, they left because their "safe haven" is now in threat. if kate, locke and sayid came back and found their village, it means all other losties could follow ... they left behind only those that aren't the part of the Others ... kate, jack, sayid ... and maybe julliete because maybe they feel she may be comprimised because her feelings towards jack ...

they left behind only those that aren't the part of the Others ... kate, jack, sayid ... and maybe julliete because maybe they feel she may be comprimised because her feelings towards jack ...

That plus she also killed one her own people, not to mention Ben may be a bit pissed at her for trying to get Jack to kill him. And I'm not sure she was ever truly one of them to begin with.

Stop saying "its a metaphor" we don't know what its a metaphor for so it could just as well be a big box for all we knowCome on, a big box cannot be a metaphor for a big box.

However, it would be an excellent metaphor for the Great Machine of the Krell!

--Väi

Also, anyone else think it's a little weird that Kate/Sayid/Jack/Juliet just, like, left? Wouldn't Kate the tracker at least want to check out which general direction the others headed in? Wheelchair tracks are pretty easy to spot...

Uh, no...why would the four of them want to follow. They are outnumbered and there's no one left to rescue. Locke obviously wanted to go with them so what would be the point. Even if they figured it out, by the time they came back with more people the others could be anywhere.

There are definitely underground tunnels leading in different directions from the barracks...it looks like to the other hatches so perhaps they are headed to another hatch. I doubt it was a helicopter, they do make noise and I'm sure Sayid would have noticed that. I get the impression that he wasn't knocked out. Besides which, you can only fit a few people in a helicopter - not 50 or so.

As for the big box...I think it's pretty clear that it's meant to be a metaphor. If not then I think it's rather silly and I would be very disappointed.

I think the reason they left is as someone already said - because Jack/Kate/Sayid/Locke know where othersville is now and the others have no guarantee that no one else followed them...hmmm like Danielle. The important question is "Where is Danielle?"

think about how many people just got up and left.
we're not talking about 8 red shirts. they had to move a decent amount of people plus a cripple and grandma jenkins. who knows who else since they like to just add characters here and there. 30 at minimum?

thats a lot for a helicopter.. especially since there might be traces of debris / habitat damage from its multiple take offs and landings in such a flora filled island.

getting up and leaving because 4-5 people know where your houses are is silly (especially wen they could have just had some goon kill them if its really that important). if thats the motive of the show for them to pick up and leave houses theyve inhabitated and furnished with so much personality... yikes. might as well just throw out all "Reason" for anything on the show.

my guess is that there's a gigantic underground cave at the heart of the island with a nice ancient village and some sort of power supply, it could maybe be very old (think indiana jones and the fate of atlantis if anyone still remembers that), corresponding with the 4-toed foot statue.

there's actually more that reminds me of the game, especially the orichalcum-finding amulet being pulled towards important stuff, just like the magnet (or whatever that was) in the first hatch.

then the ring of hatches with something important in the center (the questionmark might mean more than otherville). in the game there was actually a machine called colossus in the center => again the 4-toed statue. indy also gets the location of atlantis from a mural.

and finally perhaps the only way off the island was the submarine because they're not above he ocean, but under the ocean. see hollow earth theory.
ok. the last one is a bit over the edge lol. but who knows :))

but seriously, the tbtp have a bout the right age to have played and liked the game back then, so it's not completely unreasonably to think that they might have been a little influenced by it.

They're going on a picnic. Since the Survivors were having a nice roast pig luau, the Others got jealous and wanted to have their own soiree, too. So they're taking Locke on a picnic up in the mountains...

having won the reward challenge.

I agree with a previous poster, the Others went up, not down. The underground tunnels thing at this moment is just too obvious. I'll be so disappointed if it turns out that they went to undergrounf tunnels. What kind of twist is that? We know they have underground tunnels, we're all expecting it, it all just seems way too obvious for this show.

I think the "vanished into thin air" comment was a big clue. A clue that they took to the air, not the ground.
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As far as why they left, I think they've met their objectives, their job is done, and they are moving back to wherever they normally live. The Dharam barracks was always meant to be a temporary residence for whatever purpose.

then the ring of hatches with something important in the center (the questionmark might mean more than otherville). in the game there was actually a machine called colossus in the center => again the 4-toed statue. indy also gets the location of atlantis from a mural.



Wasn't the question mark the pearl station though?
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getting up and leaving because 4-5 people know where your houses are is silly (especially wen they could have just had some goon kill them if its really that important). if thats the motive of the show for them to pick up and leave houses theyve inhabitated and furnished with so much personality... yikes. might as well just throw out all "Reason" for anything on the show.

Might seem silly but the others really like their security and privacy. Ben said they could never go back to the hydra station because the Losties knew about it now. I think they are either going back to thier original village to live harmoniously with the island (no cheating) or going somewhere towards whatever mythological secret the island holds.

Why are they leaving anyways? It seems like a random thing to do. they got the fence, they got shelter. they werent under attack by anyone. and they guy that blew up their sub they are taking with them.

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