As I understand it and as it appears, the A-team is going to return to camp pretty quickly and remain there. I don't understand why they wouldn't go back to the nice houses with protective fence. I know the trek back would be risky, but would it be any more risky then remaining completely exposed back at their camp?

Thoughts?

I asked that very question in the live thread -
If the Losties go to the camp they will atleast be safe from the Monster and they can prepare for the Others better!

That's a good question. Maybe someday they will.

This actually makes a lot of sense. Sadly, it doesn't look as though our Losties will think of it.

I would definetely have stayed there and explored once they left. But I don't think the Losties will, or should, move there. The Others lived there for who knows how long and know it much better. There are cameras everywhere. The Others have more supplies than the Losties. If one Other comes back and sees that the Losties are living there, he'll go get the rest of the Others and they'll march in through their underground tunnels and kick the Losties out.

I asked that very question in the live thread -
If the Losties go to the camp they will atleast be safe from the Monster and they can prepare for the Others better!

Agreed - it is completely assinine. The should go back to the beach and the return with everyone to Othersville. It is more comfortable, protected from the weather AND Smokey, and could offer clues. Also, Sayid definitely needs to talk to Muffin and find out all she knows. I think she is next to go since the monster was obviously after her. She knows whether the Os went (or the places they could have gone). I think she is working with them, though, and was sent to spy on the Losties. :frown:

How do we know they wont think of moving there, we didn't even see them get ten feet away from the place yet. ?

The Others may be finished with Juliet (if you believe she was really left behind), but she may try to ingratiate herself with them again by gaining information . . . or eliminating Losties. I'm worried about Sayid. He's a wonderful judge of character, but he would hesitate to hurt a woman.

Agreed. As soon as I saw that Smokey couldn't pass the fence, I thought "So, that's where they need to move!" Maybe Sayid will bring it up.

If I were Kate I would have stayed at "Otherville" at least long enough for a long hot shower!

That was the first thing I thought of. I'd be going back for the rest of the camp and bringing everyone back to live in the nice village with houses and electricity and supplies!! Not to mention a protective fence from Smokey. And hey, if the Others went outside the bounds of the fence it would keep them away too. Plus they have the cameras to survey and keep watch out for them, right?
I don't know, but I'd be moving in.

As I understand it and as it appears, the A-team is going to return to camp pretty quickly and remain there. I don't understand why they wouldn't go back to the nice houses with protective fence. I know the trek back would be risky, but would it be any more risky then remaining completely exposed back at their camp?

Thoughts?
I was thinking the same thing.

Folks--it is real life considerations that preclude the option. In RL, Otherville is a YMCA camp. It is now time to clean and prepare the place. There are counselor/staff training sessions coming up. Then summer camp sessions. And I imagine the camp is rented out to adults coming for conferences or retreats during the year.

The LOST folks CANNOT make this place a permanent set. Nor can they afford to duplicate it somewhere else on the Island. (It costs a small fortune to film eppys and pay cast/crew/directors/staff/producers as it is!)

I don't KNOW what reason they'll use for not moving to Otherville. Maybe fear that the Others WILL come back. Or that they'll trap them there, somehow.

The weather argument is good, Laurie. But one of LOST's kazillion mysteries is that Smokey seems to avoid the beach camp area like the plague, too. Not the area jungle, mind you. But the beach camp area, yes. WHY? That's the mystery! When will they tell us? Who knows? :shrug:

If they all go back to Othersville and set up camp, we'd be watching Guilligan's Island.

It would be interesting to see the Losties live in Othersville, but they don't know how long the Others left for. Nobody said they were leaving permanently, so if the Losties moved there and the Others came back, there would be a huge battle.

And hey, if the Others went outside the bounds of the fence it would keep them away too.

It sounds like a nice idea, but I'm sure the Others have the password or whatever Juliet did to turn the fence back on. Maybe Juliet could change it though. I still think there is another way around the fence, whether it be underground or some other way.

The Others might have cut off the electrical supply already.. who knows.

But what about if/when the Others come back? We dont know when, they might be back before they even make it back to the beach camp. Besides, our losties dont have many guns left.

It would be an interesting episode to watch the survivors trek through the jungle, an exodus of sorts.. it's always been the A-Team, a group of 3-5 out on a trek.. seeing all 40ish survivors trekking through the jungle would be neat.

Something tells me Locke wouldn't go for this idea, though. ;)

I had the same thoughts. I mean, I don't mind them NOT moving in, but I hope they give a reason...

The Losties stay on the beach looking for hope of being rescued. Only a few know that the island can't be seen. To move to the others commune would sever any hope of potential rescue. Protection from smokie? Have we seen smokie ever go the the beach? IMo our Lostie's will either be rescued or will setup some encampment of their own in season four or five.

If I were Kate I would have stayed at "Otherville" at least long enough for a long hot shower!Esspecially after that mud bath!!

It would be an interesting episode to watch the survivors trek through the jungle, an exodus of sorts.. it's always been the A-Team, a group of 3-5 out on a trek.. seeing all 40ish survivors trekking through the jungle would be neat.
That would definately be a sight to see! Safety in numbers. :thumbsup:

The Losties won't move to Othersville because that would make sense.. and we all know Lost doesn't make sense.

Keep in mind too that trekking all of them through the jungle - well smoky might get more than a few on the way. Very dangerous with a baby in tow. Also by the time they get back to the beach and then trek back, how do they know it's safe any longer. They could have left someone there, but who??

I think we should wait and see what happens on this one. Who knows maybe they will go back with a search party or something. Hard to tell at this point.

Folks--it is real life considerations that preclude the option. In RL, Otherville is a YMCA camp. It is now time to clean and prepare the place. There are counselor/staff training sessions coming up. Then summer camp sessions. And I imagine the camp is rented out to adults coming for conferences or retreats during the year.

The LOST folks CANNOT make this place a permanent set. Nor can they afford to duplicate it somewhere else on the Island. (It costs a small fortune to film eppys and pay cast/crew/directors/staff/producers as it is!)

I don't KNOW what reason they'll use for not moving to Otherville. Maybe fear that the Others WILL come back. Or that they'll trap them there, somehow.

The weather argument is good, Laurie. But one of LOST's kazillion mysteries is that Smokey seems to avoid the beach camp area like the plague, too. Not the area jungle, mind you. But the beach camp area, yes. WHY? That's the mystery! When will they tell us? Who knows? :shrug:


They can't afford it? Are you kiding me... ABC a huge media company can't afford it... ya just like Lost that makes no sense

Foosball, piano, and a pool table would be nice, but the Losties need to think about food. Fish is plentiful from the beach, Smokie doesn't go there. Food would run out at the Others camp, and people would have to dash past Smokie to get boar and fish.

For once, the Losties seem to be making a sensible decision to stay on the beach. But they *should* bring everything of use.

You would think that Kate and Juliet would have wanted to at least take a shower before they trekked back to the beach...especially since they were caked with mud (LOL). Oh well...

Picture this scenario.. you live in the countryside with a large family with no one living around you for thousands of miles. The winter has come and snow has blocked all the roads to civilization. A strange group of people make a house next to you, one night they come and kidnap a few members of your family including kids, then they kidnap a pregnant woman and then hang one of your family members off the tree and kill one breaking every bone in their body. Then they manipulate one of your family members to kill two of your other family members and bring 3 to them. One day they suddenly leave their place with no sign where they went. Their house is really cool it and has a protection to keep the bear out but the bear is leaving you alone atleast for the time being and you have all the necessary things for survival. These people are always 2 moves ahead of you and have extensive surveillance that can possibly be accessed remotely. So tell me would you take your family and move into their house with no weapons to defend yourselves where they could show up any time and kill in one place? Moving into othersville does not make any sense to me, the others could show up any day and on their territory they would not have nay problem in wiping all the losties out.

As I understand it and as it appears, the A-team is going to return to camp pretty quickly and remain there. I don't understand why they wouldn't go back to the nice houses with protective fence. I know the trek back would be risky, but would it be any more risky then remaining completely exposed back at their camp?

Thoughts?

I thought the same thing. At the very least, Sayid should have stayed long enough to work on communications. They had a lot of equipment there. He may have been able to do something with it.

And I agree with all the comments about the hot shower. No way I would have left without one! :biggrin:

That was my first thought too but then I thought that they would turn into the others and another plane would crash and the new crash survivors would think the same things about them.

They don't have any communications since the emp remember?? No sonar, nothing. So there wouldn't be much point in working on it. I'm sure the others have tried already.

Honestly if you take time to think about it, it makes no sense to leave one person there - send Kate off with Jack and Juliet, not knowing if you can trust either J. Doesn't make sense. It also doesn't make sense at this point to bring everyone back there for reasons listed above numerous times. :)

I thought they could live there too. But it would be so easy for the others to watch them via all those cameras.

John also likes to blow up others structures if you haven't all ready noticed.

While I agree that it's too soon to rush to judgement on what the Losties might decide to do even in the next episode (at some point they have to cross that pylon perimeter again, which you'd think would at least prompt some serious discussions about stuff), but if they did in fact decide they weren't going to live there, they should take what they can use elsewhere, and burn the place to the ground so the Others can't come back and live there.

The food argument is the most compelling one raised in this thread for their not wanting to live there, because the writers made a big point in this episode of showing what food is available on the beachside, and we can probably assume that the Dharma palette drops have stopped, can't we?

Cameras could be disabled, like the fence, if a certain someone was cooperative...

As I understand it and as it appears, the A-team is going to return to camp pretty quickly and remain there. I don't understand why they wouldn't go back to the nice houses with protective fence. I know the trek back would be risky, but would it be any more risky then remaining completely exposed back at their camp?

Thoughts?

Given what we know, it's too risky.

They don't have enough manpower and firepower to secure the perimeter of Otherville, not to mention the trek from the beach camp through the jungle. If they leave Otherville unsecured, the Others can easily setup a trap and the Losties will be walking right into an ambush.

Also, while living in Otherville they will be protected from Smokie, there is no guarantee they will be protected from the Others. Whatever ways they vanish out of thin air, they can easily reappear all of a sudden.

Of course, this is all depends on what we currently know about Otherville, which is not much. Juliet may have more intel. I would expect Sayid having a hardcore "communications" session with her in the coming days.

maybe the writers are setting it up so that the smoke monster gets trapped inside the fence...

All this talk about the dangerous "smoke monster." Who have we seen Smokey harm? The pilot? Was that Smokey or something else? Locke? He had a chain around his leg... not smoke. Ecko wasn't harmed. Locke was not ultimately harmed... and was oddly not afraid even with that chain dragging him into the hole.

If the Others could live in the village without regard for Smokey, I would imagine the Losties could also. There was no indication that Others were regularly being picked off. The lack of food through the discontinuance of Dharma food drops could be a factor, but that is something that "Lost" television viewers would be thinking about... not necessarily the actual Losties.

All this talk about the dangerous "smoke monster." Who have we seen Smokey harm? The pilot? Was that Smokey or something else? Locke? He had a chain around his leg... not smoke. Ecko wasn't harmed. Locke was not ultimately harmed... and was oddly not afraid even with that chain dragging him into the hole.

Eko wasn't harmed?!

... We're watching the same show, right?

All this talk about the dangerous "smoke monster." Who have we seen Smokey harm? The pilot? Was that Smokey or something else? Locke? He had a chain around his leg... not smoke. Ecko wasn't harmed. Locke was not ultimately harmed... and was oddly not afraid even with that chain dragging him into the hole.

If the Others could live in the village without regard for Smokey, I would imagine the Losties could also. There was no indication that Others were regularly being picked off. The lack of food through the discontinuance of Dharma food drops could be a factor, but that is something that "Lost" television viewers would be thinking about... not necessarily the actual Losties.

Eko wasn't harmed? He was grabbed by the monster, whacked against trees, slammed onto the ground, and then killed....

Fair enough. I was thinking of Ecko in his first encounter with Smokey when he just looked at pictures of his past.

BUT

As with the pilot, (and, forgive me because I've, frankly forgotten) did we actually see a black smoke monster smack Ecko around... or did we see him getting smacked around by "something" and assume it was Smokey.

Why they shouldn't live there:
C-4

You'd always wonder (or at least should wonder) if the place was booby-trapped... Maybe if you lose at backgammon the rec room blows up. Or if Ben's fridge is opened too many times in a row - kablooey. Who knows? They've already harmed the survivors so many times that staying in their lair would mean an ambush for sure.

Yeah... they should at LEAST raid Ben's fridge...

All this talk about the dangerous "smoke monster." Who have we seen Smokey harm? The pilot? Was that Smokey or something else? Locke? He had a chain around his leg... not smoke. Ecko wasn't harmed. Locke was not ultimately harmed... and was oddly not afraid even with that chain dragging him into the hole.

If the Others could live in the village without regard for Smokey, I would imagine the Losties could also. There was no indication that Others were regularly being picked off. The lack of food through the discontinuance of Dharma food drops could be a factor, but that is something that "Lost" television viewers would be thinking about... not necessarily the actual Losties.


The pilot was presumably killed by the black smoke. We didnt see it, but all the sounds were the same. Locke was being dragged by the smoke monster, even if it was a chain. Locke ultimately may have been harmed, if not for Jack. and Eko was killed, and couldnt have been harmed alot more.


As with the pilot, (and, forgive me because I've, frankly forgotten) did we actually see a black smoke monster smack Ecko around... or did we see him getting smacked around by "something" and assume it was Smokey.

Did you see this episode? We clearly saw the smoke monster smack him around.

They're not going to live there for the same reason they don't live at the caves. Their best chance of rescue is to be spotted from the beach. No one would ever find them inland.

Don't forget except for a few, most of the LOSTIES have no idea that the island may not be able to be seen from the out side world.

As my esteemed colleague Roger(not Workman) just mused: Why doesnt Jack just gather everybody up and head back to take over Othersville? Electricity, beds, houses, and Juliet has the code to activate the fence so no Smokey. Does this strike anyone else as strange that this hasnt been mentioned?

I think because their best chance of rescue is at the beach where they can be seen.

We might think the island can't be seen, but most of the LOSTIES don't think that.

Well, at the end of this eppy, they are going back to the beach.

If Jack/Kate/Sayid wanted to takeover the Othersville, they still need to go down the beach and convey the message to the losties.

There is also another issue of not all will be confident of moving into Othervilles especially with the appearance of Juliet in their group and Sawyers pessimism.

The Othersville could be viewed as a "mousetrap" too... it is not a neutral ground and the Others have more knowledge of the surrounding.

So there will probably be some convincing to do and they need to discuss the pros and cons....

I think that that will be a definite topic of conversation when they all get back to the beach.

Does it strike anyone else as weird for them to do that? Let me explain. Dharma was there, built these scientific stations and dorms for the scientists. Natives, such as Ben, moved into Dharma's dorms after Dharma vacated (I think that there was a struggle between the Others and Dharma and the Others won). Now a third group of island inhabitants move in. The dorms don't really seem to be too lucky. Especially if the Others decide to come back and want their nice little homes back. Could start some serious trouble between the two groups. More serious than it already is.

Personally, I think that the Losties should stay on the beach, after they torch the barracks. They are doing ok there, and the Others have many more weapons at their disposal, so taking out their homes would level the playing field a little.

I think because their best chance of rescue is at the beach where they can be seen.

We might think the island can't be seen, but most of the LOSTIES don't think that.

But the smart ones do. For example, Jack was told by Benry that "God cant see this island any more than the rest of the world."

But the smart ones do. For example, Jack was told by Benry that "God cant see this island any more than the rest of the world."
True, but does Jack really believe him?

I think he should.

Give it time, people didn't get to rush to stay in the Swan immediately. Or they may be afraid that the Others and their gas & guns might come back.

Personally, I think that the Losties should stay on the beach, after they torch the barracks. They are doing ok there, and the Others have many more weapons at their disposal, so taking out their homes would level the playing field a little.

Tourch the barracks and you torch the only books and other educational material left on the island. Maybe some medical (Ethan's) supplies and scientific equipment (Juliet's lab) too. How are they to educate the next generation without books, paper and pencil? Not everyone wants to be rescued and those who don't will have to start thinking for the long run. Since no one can go off island for supplies everyone on the island needs to think twice before destroying something that can not be replaced.

But the smart ones do. For example, Jack was told by Benry that "God cant see this island any more than the rest of the world."

Ben told that to Locke, not to Jack.

As I understand it and as it appears, the A-team is going to return to camp pretty quickly and remain there. I don't understand why they wouldn't go back to the nice houses with protective fence. I know the trek back would be risky, but would it be any more risky then remaining completely exposed back at their camp?

Thoughts?

this morning I tried to think of reasons not to move there:
1. No easy access to fish
2. possibly no water or electricity right now.

but I would have lived in the Swan Hatch 24/7- Last time I went camping I got stung by a bee and slept in my car.

I thought of that at the end of the episode, but then I dismissed the idea. Since we really don't know what is up with these people, and since they have such a demonstrated propensity for elaborate theatrics as I mentioned in another thread today, who is to say that this whole disappearing act wasn't totally staged (possibly to make Juliet seem like a sympathetic cast-out so that she can gain access to/infiltrate the LOSTaways' camp and conduct espionage)? And if it was staged, who is to say that, at some point, they won't come right back and if our group is there, they (our group/the LOSTaways/the LOSTies/you get the picture/why am I still writing...*L*) would be sitting ducks to all be taken captive?

Plus, as far as the smoke "monster" goes, why was it said that they would be safe from it in Otherville? It came right up to the security fence, who is to say it couldn't go past it? By contrast, has the smoke ever come right down to the beach? I can't remember offhand, but I think it has always appeared in the forest. Danielle said it was a security system and, if so, it might only exist to protect certain key sites, and what could be more key than Otherville itself? I don't know, but I just would have that "sitting duck" feeling the entire time if I were living there in Other Central. I know it could easily be argued that they are at least as much sitting ducks on the beach, but I dunno. Just speaking personally, if it were me, I would NOT feel comfy moving into the Others' turf. And it was interesting what Locke said about the Others not understanding, respecting, and/or being connected to the natural power of the island. Maybe if they all moved into Otherville, they would lose their connection to the power of the island? Maybe Rose's illness, for example, would come back? Of course, they probably wouldn't realize/think about all that right now, as they don't have the benefit of knowing all that we know as the audience. Only Locke and Rose really know about the natural power of the island, and only Locke seems to get that the power might not work for people who don't respect and connect with the island somehow. If you have electricity and chicken in the fridge, as Locke pointed out, maybe the connection is lost? But again, they wouldn't think about all that. I think what they would think about, though, is that the Others could return at any time and that this might all be a set-up and that they should stay right where they are on the beach. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

Ben told that to Locke, not to Jack.

touche....

Asking Lost to be rational is a long shot, I realize that at this point.

But wouldnt it make sense for all of the beach folk to inhabit the houses with electricity, refrigerators, roofs, and who knows what other conveniences rather than stay on the beach?

I know I know - let me beat you to the punch - maybe there isnt electricity anymore. But there are a ton of other things, including all of the potential intelligence from papers or anything else left behind.

And what do they do? Just leave the village before thoroughly investigating? They have been gone for weeks, whats another few hours to look in every drawer, nook and cranny?

If they dont go to the beach and get everyone in order to move back there it is just absurd. I am hoping this happens, but like I said, asking Lost to be rational might be just too much.

I suggested this in another thread. The village could very well have a trap, or the Others could come back and everyone would be in danger then. But I'll say it again, what a waste of good plumbing.

No, they won't, because this is Lost, and people on this island are dumb.

Asking Lost to be rational is a long shot, I realize that at this point.

But wouldnt it make sense for all of the beach folk to inhabit the houses with electricity, refrigerators, roofs, and who knows what other conveniences rather than stay on the beach?

I know I know - let me beat you to the punch - maybe there isnt electricity anymore. But there are a ton of other things, including all of the potential intelligence from papers or anything else left behind.

And what do they do? Just leave the village before thoroughly investigating? They have been gone for weeks, whats another few hours to look in every drawer, nook and cranny?

If they dont go to the beach and get everyone in order to move back there it is just absurd. I am hoping this happens, but like I said, asking Lost to be rational might be just too much.

I'm pretty sure Sayid said he was/has looked through the village and was going to take anything useful. Also they could move there, but they may be hesitant to move everyone into the heart of the other's camp in case its some kind of trap.

Asking Lost to be rational is a long shot, I realize that at this point.

But wouldnt it make sense for all of the beach folk to inhabit the houses with electricity, refrigerators, roofs, and who knows what other conveniences rather than stay on the beach?

I know I know - let me beat you to the punch - maybe there isnt electricity anymore. But there are a ton of other things, including all of the potential intelligence from papers or anything else left behind.

And what do they do? Just leave the village before thoroughly investigating? They have been gone for weeks, whats another few hours to look in every drawer, nook and cranny?

If they dont go to the beach and get everyone in order to move back there it is just absurd. I am hoping this happens, but like I said, asking Lost to be rational might be just too much.

Yes, logically, they should go back to the group of well built houses. There's probably a bunch of other stuff they could discover at those barracks, but unfortunately that would spoil the "Dharma-centric" flashback episode slated a couple weeks from now. And the Ben flashback episode in the season finale.

Basically, the Losties aren't going to live their because it would too logical. Even with everyone's non-inquisitive behavior just by occupying the barracks they would stumble on information and have a better understanding of what was going on. And we can't have that now can we?;)

I got the impression that Sayid had been awake longer than Jack and had thoroughly searched the villiage and found nothing of interest. He left Jack because the gas was still in the house and he could have passed out too if he tried to pull him out, and the inevitable embarassment at being found in a potentially compromising position, gave him pause enough to wait until Jack woke on his own. In the meantime, Kate and Juliette came back as he was concluding his search.
If the Losties do not move into the Others' former residence, I would have to assume it is for a good reason as opposed to them just not considering it.

I'm pretty sure Sayid said he was/has looked through the village and was going to take anything useful. Also they could move there, but they may be hesitant to move everyone into the heart of the other's camp in case its some kind of trap.

True it might be a trap, but logically the "upside" of at least temporarily moving there is greater than the downside. The Others have already shown that they can get people from the beach or in the caves whenever they want. So there no safer on the beach or anywhere on the island. But in the barracks they have shelters and some underground facilities. They also have "one of them" to show them around in Juliet. If the Losties actually still believe in that whole "you better not cross this line" thing, they deserve their fate. Thankfully, I think Sayid will actually be inquistive in the episode. We'll just have to see how far he can into "questioning" Juliet before Jack inevitably steps in.

[quote=sandleford;1474488]Yes, logically, they should go back to the group of well built houses. There's probably a bunch of other stuff they could discover at those barracks, but unfortunately that would spoil the "Dharma-centric" flashback episode slated a couple weeks from now. And the Ben flashback episode in the season finale.

AARGH! SPOILER!!!

I think it'd be a bad idea for the Leaders of the Losties to direct the red shirts into the Barracks. For one, we have a more omniscient view of things. We know the village is clear, we know who was in it, have a good idea of how long they've been there and what they were using it for.

Now look at the view of the red shirts. They've been living like dogs for 3 months, their moral can't be too high, and after 3 months of beach living, suddenly there's a mini sub division 3 miles away from the Beach. This could cause a lot of unrest, similar to when the "Dharma Food Crate" dropped down. Had Hurley not of taken charge I'd have no trouble believing that some pretty bad stuff could've resulted over people fighting for food. perhaps the barracks don't have enough room for the 45 some survivors that remain.

Also, the people would ask questions. Who used to live here? Do you want people who are prone to panic to know that there are maybe 50 people very much like Ethan( Who killed 2 of them and kidnapped Clair) wandering around? What if they come back? Do they really want to subject everybody to that? I'm thinking not.

Bed...dirt. Toilet paper...leaf. Electricity...fire.
Uhhhh, I'll take the house thanks.
That's why I laughed when Jack said it was time to go back. Shouldn't he be saying it's time to send for eveyone on the beach to bring them here, to the nice houses with beds in them?? Duh!

Yeah I'm sure the Others left all of that there to the Losties convince.Maybe Ben even left that chicken in the refrigerator, I bet they just hate seeing things go to waste.

I'm pretty sure Sayid said he was/has looked through the village and was going to take anything useful. Also they could move there, but they may be hesitant to move everyone into the heart of the other's camp in case its some kind of trap.

But at minimum, even if the water and electricity is shut off, there are houses! Well-maintained, amenity-filled, storm-resistant, private structures. For about 50 people (or about the number of 815ers). That's not a huge improvement to sleeping in the sand and almost total exposure to the elements?

It would make no sense for the 815ers to not try and relocate to the Others' village. So, naturally, they won't.

BTW, have we even asked why the Others left?

This show, I tell ya...

I suggested this in another thread. The village could very well have a trap, or the Others could come back and everyone would be in danger then. But I'll say it again, what a waste of good plumbing.
Madge: Good call. I hope if they do move in, they'll at least disable the cameras...

I agree with the original poster...bring everyone back to camp...Have juliet change the code for the fence!!!

BTW, have we even asked why the Others left?

Good point, so yes let's bring 40 something people back to the others camp not knowing where the others are (perhaps they are waiting somewhere to ambush) and probably losing a bunch to smoky along the way. Then we'll hang out in othersville where there probably isn't a lot of food left (especially now that the flame cows have blown up as well) and wait for the others to come back and attack or something worse.

My guess is that the others left because the losties can find their barracks and they don't want to be found. They prefer to hide out and kidnap our gang in secrecy not full on warfare. So if we move everyone to othersville, hell it will be much easier to pick our group off one by one. Talk about a stupid move. I would take safety over a comfy bed on this island. Not to mention Juliet can't be trusted at this point.

Hasn't anyone considered that maybe the others want our group to take over the barracks so they can pick them off slowly...I don't think they will just shrug it off but it would take some serious consideration and I don't think it's a good idea.

Hopefully the writers have also thought of this and will have the characters debate it. I think, from the socks' perspective, living in nice houses has to be appealling, but slightly less so than the hope of rescue. Kind of like the caves controversy. They could leave a lookout, I suppose, but there are problems with that, too.

If the show really can't use the set, there are enough reasons mentioned here to have the characters who want to stay on the beach convince the rest of the Losties. But the writers are just being dumb if they pretend it didn't occur to anyone to move.

So Kate, Jack and Sayid return from Otherville and describe what they saw. Even though most possessions were removed from the Barracks by the Others, there are beds. There's a roof. Given the fence still works, there could be electricity and running water. I'm sure they left their stoves and refrigerators behind (and laundry machines).

Don't you think the Losties should abandon their beach hangout and hike on over to the Barracks? Do you think they will?

I thought this too. I would have waited a day or two to see if the others will return then I would throw a huge party!

So Kate, Jack and Sayid return from Otherville and describe what they saw. Even though most possessions were removed from the Barracks by the Others, there are beds. There's a roof. Given the fence still works, there could be electricity and running water. I'm sure they left their stoves and refrigerators behind (and laundry machines).

Don't you think the Losties should abandon their beach hangout and hike on over to the Barracks? Do you think they will?


Absolutely they should, but I bet they don't.

why dont people wait and see what happens. They arent even back at the beach yet and we asking this question. plus if they went to the village it wouldnt be safe,they been safer at the beach then anywhere in the jungle, so why risk it.

...I'm guessing the whole crew doesn't go, but some stragglers may end up there...remember how tempting the Hatch was when they first found it--a shower, food, basic creature comforts? Kate and the AMAZING MIRACLE shampoo! I bet Sawyer heads that way if things get wiggy for him and the rest of the crew.

i bet the fishing/bore hunting ground is better on their original side of the island ...

Absolutely not. I thought about this last night, too, but it comes down to safety. At the beach, they can have their backs toward the ocean, and barring any of the Others coming by boat for which there would be warning, they're protected on that side. In Othersville, not only would they be open on all four sides to attack, but

1) We don't know when the Others will come back (and I'll bet they do)
2) The Others know the land and the ins and outs of the place
3) There may be some underground tunnels (which could very well be how they left so quickly)-our Losties could be attacked at any time by a group of Others coming from hidden underground passages
4) Unless they get Juliet's cooperation, the fence can't be armed/disarmed to get everyone across, they'd all have to climb up and over, which might be easy for Kate, Locke, and Sayid, but I'll bet Rose, Bernard, and Hurley won't have such an easy time of it

Personally, I just think the constant threat of them coming back would be enough to deter me from moving in.

I was thinking that maybe they would move in, but what if the place is rigged? And also, what Lostie is really going to want to move into a place where the others lived?

There's a really powerful reason not to go live in Othersville - because the question hasn't been answered that Ben posed to Locke in 3x13, "Man from Tallahassee" - "why is it that I am in this wheelchair and you are not?"

IOW, if the Losties simply follow Ben's path, will they become "like" Ben, in the sense of losing the strange benefits The Island confers? Will they become prey to the same "hypocrisy" of which Locke accused Ben?

The hatch wasn't all that good for the Losties, either. Hurley, Walt, and Sayid warned against messing with it. The Dharma food turned out to be a lot of emotional / social trouble. All the medicine there couldn't save Ana Lucia or Libby (would they have even been killed had the hatch been left alone?)

In some ways the Losties are living in a way that might seem almost idyllic. Why mess it up by moving to Othersville?

I don't think many, if any, will voluntarily opt for Otherville. Back in Season one Jack had trouble convincing people to move to the caves and that was before the beachies knew that there were Others, Smokey, and who knows what all in the jungle. And, they have no idea if it is really safe. It could be rigged, is probably watched and would be the perfect place for Ben and crew to have an opportunity to keep the Losties all in one place. If the fence could be programmed to keep Smokey out what would keep Ben and Company from waiting until all the Losties are in Otherville then changing the code and activating the fence so that the Losties were trapped.

So Kate, Jack and Sayid return from Otherville and describe what they saw. Even though most possessions were removed from the Barracks by the Others, there are beds. There's a roof. Given the fence still works, there could be electricity and running water. I'm sure they left their stoves and refrigerators behind (and laundry machines).

Don't you think the Losties should abandon their beach hangout and hike on over to the Barracks? Do you think they will?

Very easy answer. The same reason that they didn't want to move to the caves. They want to be on the beach for a rescue.

they have access to fish on the beach. We don't know what food they have near otherville.

I would hope they'd move in to Othersville just as an "up yours" to the Others...when they come schleppin back from wherever they ran off to...Sawyer should greet Ben at the gate..."Squatter's rights here, Bug Eyes. This is our home now...Oh...hey there, Benedict Arnold (Locke)...havin fun with you're new cult buddies? If ya don't mind, I gotta get back to the rec room and refelt the pool table with Freckles body...feel free to stay at our beach...we left ya' a few tarps...Just watch out for Smokey...and those pesky boars...Namaste, you damn Moonies"!

I think its becuase they don't know if the others were coming back. Like, how would you feel if your enemies came back and you were living in there camp?

Not very good.

The Others might have cut off the electrical supply already.. who knows.

True... they could have set the hampsters free. :biggrin:

If I was living on the Island I would definitely want to move to the Barracks. Think about it, electricity, bathrooms, kitchens, privacy, all the luxuries of home! Put it this way, if the planes can't see an entire community, they definitely won't be able to see people on a beach.

True... they could have set the hampsters free. :biggrin:

LOL! That is so funny! Imagine giant scary hamsters chasing down the polar bears! :D


If I was living on the Island I would definitely want to move to the Barracks. Think about it, electricity, bathrooms, kitchens, privacy, all the luxuries of home! Put it this way, if the planes can't see an entire community, they definitely won't be able to see people on a beach.

And along that same thought, if a plane did fly over and see the entire community, wouldn't the pilot just assume the people on the beach belonged to some private resort there? As far as I remember, the losties have no signal for letting anyone know they are in need of rescue, right? So being on the beach wouldn't really do them any good, the way it is.

If it were me, I'd want to stay in the barracks, too. I would find someway to signal for help in case of a flyover (like tying sheets onto the roofs of the houses with the letters SOS painted on them). I would also have sayid working to salvage any communication equipment he could find to attempt to send out a signal (the guy is handy, given enough time and the right equipment and tools I know he'd be able to come up with something). I would also disable the cameras and have Juliette change the code on the fence. And meanwhile, I would enjoy a hot shower and warm bed at the end of each day.

In the very least, I would have spent a lot more time searching and discovering.

Even if I felt I had to go back to the beach, there is no way I would do that without knowing absolutely everything I could know about the people staying in those houses.


...but that's just me. :biggrin:

LOL! That is so funny! Imagine giant scary hamsters chasing down the polar bears! :D


Now THAT would be an exciting episode of Lost! :cool:

Sure, there's houses. They could occupy them. They could be wired with C-4. That would take some know-how to dismantle assuming the Others didn't blow them sky high first. Or, the Others could just... come back, then rout them what with them being all corralled like that. I don't know.

I was just thinking - the Others just got up and left their homes...
you think this might be a good opertunity for our Losties to leave their "home" (camp) at the beach and move into Othersville and make it into "Lostyville"? lol

just a thought - what do you think?

Hmmm bit dodgy though, as the Others know where they would be. Plus i'm sure Ben's got his ways of keeping tabs on that place, a mechanism or something.

I think they're safer on the beach, plus wouldn't the show just be boring if they all lived in houses with backyards and free water, and loads of food. It'd take the survival out of LOST, and make it more into a soap opera kind of thing.

Let's hope they stay at the beach.

Wasn't the reason they decided to stay on the beach instead of going to the caves so that rescue planes could see them? I can't see them moving to Othersville unless they have completely given up the idea that they will ever be rescued.

Mmmm, maybe your right about it being a soap type thing - and about the rescue, if Claire's idea with the bird will work...

but i think it would be a good idea to move just for the sake of security and diffence against the Others - the fence could be a good deffence against smoky...and by that turning the tables and the Losties could be in charge!
i meen think about it - they would have electrisity, hot showers, food, BEDS, and a game room! how cool is that!!

Wasn't the reason they decided to stay on the beach instead of going to the caves so that rescue planes could see them? I can't see them moving to Othersville unless they have completely given up the idea that they will ever be rescued.


Anybody who scatters $8 million worth of diamonds on a grave has given up all hope of rescue.

Anybody who scatters $8 million worth of diamonds on a grave has given up all hope of rescue.

LOL. never thought of it that way, excellent point.

there could be a chance our losties move to now abandoned camp ...

imho, if they believe planes could spot their barracks on the beach, couldn't they also spot build village in the middle of island?

and someone mentioned that if losties moved into the camp, the others will know where they are ... don't they know it already? they know about losties barracks on the beach ... :)

If somebody doesn't take up residence in the Dharma barracks, (shelter, electricity, running hot and cold water, ICE CUBES) then the show has truly jumped the proverbial shark. They could easily rotate turns spending time on the beach if that's important to them.

What if the others were once "Losties" as well and moved into an "others" camp?

Since the Others picked up and left, I wonder if they powered down the barracks by cutting off all power supplies and running water to all of the housing. By doing so, the Losties would still have to collect a fresh water supply and live by campfires. The move would still be an upgrade, but not as good as it could be.

Hmmm bit dodgy though, as the Others know where they would be. Plus i'm sure Ben's got his ways of keeping tabs on that place, a mechanism or something.

I think they're safer on the beach, plus wouldn't the show just be boring if they all lived in houses with backyards and free water, and loads of food. It'd take the survival out of LOST, and make it more into a soap opera kind of thing.

Let's hope they stay at the beach.

What survival element? They've been feeding on DHARMA brand processed food for the last season and a half, there's no element of 'survival' at all. All this might change once the DHARMA drops stop though, as looks likely will happen. As far as I can see, the non 'A-team' losties are there to provide occasional B-plots and filler episodes to pad out the 5-series run, though after the negative reaction to the introduction of Paulo and Nikki the producers might have to reconsider even using them for that.

Moving to the camp doesn't mean giving up hope of being rescued. Planes can see you just as well in a high clearing as they can on a beach, if not better. We know the camp is near enough to the water to have someone watching for ships. As for not moving there because the Others will know where they are... they know where they are now.

The only good reasons for not moving to the camp are that it just isn't safe, the Others won't bother the Losties on the beach, they've said that, but moving into their old camp could get them wiped out; and, it's just not as 'cool' for the writers of the series. They should certainly head back there and scavenge whatever they can though, there's got to a ton of useful material and artifacts in those buildings, even if they have to year them apart.

I'm sure it would be long and dangerious trek for ALL of them to go at once. Plus, they'll be going to where the bad guys lived? That doesn't sound too appealing, esp since no one knows where they went and when or if they're coming back. Also, the points about waiting for rescue ship/plane is well taken, living in hidden village in houses is like giving up all hope of rescue.

Once Jack and company get back to the beach and things calm down a bit I can see them maybe concider scounting out the place for awhile. Maybe think about moving, maybe after a few months if all seems safe. But you know stuff isn't going to calm down! I'm sure comfortable living arrangements will be not the top problem on their list - just plain living may be.

I think that's what they are gonna do. But then again, there might be another split. Some Losties will stay at the beach while others will move to the Barracks.

I think they wouldn't move there because they are afraid of these crazy people. They don't really know that they are gone and they don't know everything about that village. The last two stations they were at Blew up. Who's to say this village won't?

I still think it's stupid that they didn't run around and look for clues and just go back to the beach. Bad righting or is Jack brainwashed/has an alterior motive. Juliet didn't want to go back very much either - she almost seemed afraid when Kate said she wanted to go back.

Sayid already searched the place while Jack was knocked out and Kate and Juliet were in the jungle. Given that he was outside and mentioned that they just vanished I would guess he wasn't knocked out or at least not for very long. So he had plenty of time to search the place. If he thought it was safe, I'm sure he would suggest the possibility of moving there and because we haven't seen the next episode we don't know if this is a suggestion or not. He did seem to want to get out pretty quickly.

Back to Sayid saying they disappeared - how do 50 or so people just disappear? It's not a question of "if there are underground tunnels", Sayid's map from The Flame clearly shows that there are underground tunnels leading in different directions from the barracks. I say again, maybe it's the others plan to get them into their old home so they can keep an eye out and possibly start picking them off or playing mind games. I'm sure this possibility has at least occured to Sayid if not some of the other losties (when they hear about it).

IMO it's never a good idea to move into an enemy's territory because that's what it is. They are gone but we don't know to where or how long for. We assume as watchers of the show that they are gone for good but we know more than the losties on the beach.

I would not give up my life for a hot shower.

I think the fact they didn't even consider it hinges on Juliet. If she truly was left behind you would think that she would be more upset and vengeful than she was. If she had have been left she knows everything including the info about the fence, where the tunnels are etc. It would be simple to really prevent the others from returning by changing things up and sabotage. For instance with her help Sayid and his electronics expertise could change the password on the fence so that Others no longer had the ability to control it.

The fact she kept her mouth shut and meekly followed makes me think she still is an other and that they are bright enough to figure out Otherville isn't safe.

I think they won't move back to O-town for the simple reason that the producers will want a tropical look to the show for the non-flashback scenes and won't want it to look like Desperate Housewives or something.

Real life reason: The set is not available for them to use
Possible show reasons: anything is possible to explain why - from the Losties have already set up their homes to going to Othersville is to dangerous..

it would make sense to go back to realhouses and plumbing but hey,would any of us go and live in
the wolf's den?i know i wouldnt

I would think they left because Locke's revelation of something, about the convo with Locke and Ben about the supposed box. Cooper is with them right now with Locke as a captive. I do believe they left because somehow the survivors will end up find thier home and looking like they are invading it. They know the directions. just look north on eko's stick. So i'm wondering the beach won't end up being a place for them anymore. Maybe there is residential place on the island hidden in the trees. Love to see the answers.

Gotta quote and respond to myself *lol*, because, upon viewing the episode again, I realize that I am, in fact, an idiot:

...Plus, as far as the smoke "monster" goes, why was it said that they would be safe from it in Otherville? It came right up to the security fence, who is to say it couldn't go past it? ...
Duh. I watched the episode again and I don't know how I originally missed the dialog between Kate and Juliet in which Juliet says "We don't know what it is, but we know it doesn't like our fences", and how the "smoke monster" seems to crash into the force field of the fence and be stymied by it. I guess I was so focused during my first viewing on everything else going on, such as Juliet having a key to the handcuffs, etc., that I missed the entire dialog and "Smokey" crashing into the fence's field and being stopped by it.

All that said, I still don't think the Losties should move into The Villas at Other Landing. Even though being safe from the smoke monster is a powerful point in favor of it, to me it just seems too perfect of a situation for the Others to swoop back on scene and take everyone captive or whatever. It even could be argued that this whole "abandoning ship" thing is yet another example of them "pretending", as Walt put it. It could be a set up. In fact, it almost reeks of it. Remember Alex telling Locke that Ben gets people to do things by manipulating them into thinking it is their idea?

If I were a Lostie, I would vote for staying on the beach and far away from Del Boca Other, Phase II.

May well be a trap. Moving there is a bad idea imo.
What if the others have the ability to remotely override the sonic fence?
Let the losties inside, a few tricks with the fence and they're all smokey bait.

I do not think that they should return because they do not have a significant number of weapons anymore. It would be nearly impossible to defend the village without more numbers and more weapons. Also we do not know where the "others" have gone and it is possible that they left through one of the numerous underground tunnels that is present on this island.

All in all, the entire group returning to "otherville" would be a tragic mistake. The people would not be able to carry all of their supplies in a single trip and with the trek taking multiple days to complete it would total exhaust all of the survivors and leave them very vulnerable to attack.

I'll tell you one thing: If I wouldn't go to any Del Boca Other, Phase II. To me it just does seem SO much like a set up for an ambush. The only way to get all the Losties there is to make it seem like the Others have abandoned the entire bailiwick. Then the Losties all troop in, the Others fiddle with the security fence so that they can't get out, and ba-da-bing, boy-da-howdy, the Losties are captured.

I really hope they won't decide to go there. Security fence or no security fence, refrigerators or no refrigerators, running water or no running water...something ain't right in Otherville! Plus I think Locke is onto something about the way the Others' lifestyle was disrespectful and disconnected to the island and its inherent power (much like humankind's relationship to the earth right now...but I digress!!!). To thrive on that island, you have to honor it and live closely and intimately with it. You can't be living amidst drywall and chicken in the fridge, ya know? Locke knows. Always listen to Locke, that is my motto. Well, almost always, anyway. In the case of living la vida Other, I say listen to Locke. Pharosies!

Foosball, piano, and a pool table would be nice, but the Losties need to think about food. Fish is plentiful from the beach, Smokie doesn't go there. Food would run out at the Others camp, and people would have to dash past Smokie to get boar and fish.

For once, the Losties seem to be making a sensible decision to stay on the beach. But they *should* bring everything of use.

Agreed. there is an assumption that because there are houses that everything is in working order. The Others probably took everything of worth with them and turned off the mains. The food issue is an important one as well. It's clear that the others village was pretty much supplied by the Dharma food drops, which might well have now stopped due to the communications blackout.

this is something that i was at first wondering about. but it just further leads me to believe that Jack is the plant and Juliet is not. He makes the decision to go back to the camp and to take as much as is useful. it seems like he doesn't want to be there. although, he could be taking back the important stuff with the intention of returning to the camp. But still, it seems like Jack knows something - maybe he knows that ben and co are planning to return to their homes and that it would not be wise to stay there.

Lockefan, how are you? I remember you from back in the day, when I used to post more often -- like the thread where we were trying to figure out the sound that was so familiar to Rose!

Anyway ...

I think it's a baaaad idea for our Losties to come back to Otherville. They ran out of that place like bats out of hell, perhaps to fool the Losties into thinking that they are gone forever, or at least for a while. The Losties come back in and boom ... they attack, ambush, whatever ...

I am still trying to figure out why Locke went with them. Maybe they are searching for the answer as to why Ben can't walk yet.

But the Losties seem to get "picked off" fairly well on the island as well - I think whether they are on the island or in Otherville the Others can take them at will - but the Monster only seems to attack at planned times and locations -
So where would they really be safer?

I haven't read through the whole thread, but here's my take on it for what it's worth:

Even if they decide to move to Otherville - don't they have to go back to the beach and tell everyone where it is? Makes absolute sense to leave it at this point, in my opinion.

But then there are a couple of fair reasons why they wouldn't want to go there anyway. Anyone remember how difficult it was to get everyone to move into the 'rape caves'? Even before they knew of the others? It would make sense for them to stick together - if for safety reasons only. Other than that - though there doesn't seem to be too much to the village as it is - is it really that wise to move in into your enemy's territory? Where they've lived for God knows how long, could return, have the upper hand by knowing the place and thus ultimately have the losties trapped for good - not to mention that living into the other's homes woulnd't exactly improve their relationship.

Lockefan, how are you? I remember you from back in the day, when I used to post more often -- like the thread where we were trying to figure out the sound that was so familiar to Rose!
Hi there, LockeLove! I was just thinking about that whole Rose and the sound thing during this "Left Behind" episode, actually!!!! In the "Smokey" scenes, we had a lot of that sound or, more accurately, constellation of sounds, again. And again I thought of Rose saying she recognized the sound. LOL, yes, I remember a phase I went through of being obsessed with figuring out where she remembered it from, was it something from the Bronx, like the subway system there, etc. I think from there I transitioned seamlessly into a phase of being completely and utterly obsessed over figuring out the meaning of the numbers *L*! I mean, I got so into researching into Buddhism and the importance of the number 108 and then it seems to me that Stonehenge figured into my febrile state at some point...

God I love being a LOST fan. :biggrin:

It annoyed me that the A Team didnt search the rest of the others village, who knows what they could have found ! :o I think maybe in the next season the losties will move into the village left behind.

It annoyed me that the A Team didnt search the rest of the others village, who knows what they could have found ! :o I think maybe in the next season the losties will move into the village left behind.

We saw them walking but we shouldn't assume they were leaving. When they asked Jack what they should do now, Jack said look for anything useful left behind and head back to the beach (paraphrasing).

We know a lot more about the Other's motives and the back to nature Locke thing than the losties. Personally, when I ask myself if I was in thier shoes would I move to the barracks? My answer is no and for the main reason of safety and feeling secure. I just don't think it's good policy to move into your enemies digs when you don't know they are gone for sure.

Another angle too, I've sometimes wondered if the bunkers were also an experiment or even a very comfortable prison complex where people were kept in, not kept out. When they were in the pearl watching the Orientation film, Marvin says "After your shift you will go to the Pallo ferry dock, which will take you to the barracks". There's camera's in at least one bungalow and maybe not all of them are visible. Kind of seemed like a heavy control thing and I wouldn't rest easy there at all. Seems like a guilded cage to me.

And who's to say they are doing all that badly on the beach? I don't see anybody really suffering. It's like they've reached a kind of equilibrium there, nobody is hungry or in danger. I can see that we all don't agree here, I doubt the losties would either.

It annoyed me that the A Team didnt search the rest of the others village, who knows what they could have found ! :o I think maybe in the next season the losties will move into the village left behind.
come on,they got all the time in the world to get back there!Wasnt it obvious that the others d abandonded this place for good?at least seemed so!:undecide:

What happens if they let slip there is a village with houses, electricity and running water? How long owudl you trust people who knew all about this but were keeping it from you?

also would everyone want to climb over those tower things? I think not. and why would the Losties want to go to the Other's village anyways?

Besides there is always the chance that the other's will come back.