So, our Locke once again believes he has found a place of belonging, and a sense of family. I can't say that I didn't see it coming, but I am a bit heartbroken to see him take off with Ben et. al.

Maybe the Others grow good pot?

SS, good call on the "family" reference. I'm excited to see how this will play out. Locke is thinking this is his destiny. He's all on board with the Others, using their language to describe how he feels about Kate. He also seemed pretty chipper for someone who just found his evil daddy on the island.

This should be interesting!

Locke is out to discover the islands secrets. He has no loyalties other than going where his questions stand the best chance of being answered.

Locke is one scary motherf***er. He seriously freaks me out. If he isn't the ideal the candidate to join a cult, I don't know who is.

Anyone else find it weird when kate asked if he was captured, he said"no, only temporary". As in im going with them , but ill be back soon, they are just gona show me something.


Also its in the spoilers that he comes back to the beach and takes sawyer for a little trip into the jungle.So maybe he wants to show sawyer cooper?

Did the previews for next weeks episode show a submarine? Maybe Locke isn't with them all the way. Just using them.

Do you think Locke is going along to learn island secrets - to get back at Cooper - to get to know Cooper - OR to gain control of the Others from Ben

i dont think locke has joined the others, i think hes just off to settle things with cooper.

Locke kind of reminds me of Revovler Ocelot; you never really know which side of the war he is betraying.

He is on his own side then?

All for one and one for Locke?

Don't know what to make of Locke's behavior, but he sure creeped me out!

We know he just had some type of encounter with what appeared to be his father. I can't believe he would willingly walk away leaving Kate in danger like that, but he may have had no choice. Maybe his mission is for the greater good, in his mind. Or possibly...his own mobility is hinging on his cooperation. His hatred for his father might be more important to him. Or he might have been brainwashed or programmed.

His "I'm sorry" right before the gas was throw in the room reminded me of the Russian guys apology to Ms.Klue right before he shot her. He may have been instructed to follow them without question in order to get whatever it is he wants. And we know Locke is no stranger to blind faith.

We have seven episodes left this season. The question is will we see Locke again this season,along with the mystery of his father being on the island being solved this season. If we do see Locke, then we will most likely see where the Others went.

It seems like in the past, no matter how much Locke's Dad did to him, he always kept following the man around like a lost puppy just looking for approval of some sort. Even after Locke's kidney was taken, he still wanted to be around his Dad as he basically admitted in the hotel flashback in "Lockdown". (He said "I didn't do it for the money" followed by kind of a knowing look)

Locke may be the most gullible person in the world, but sometimes gullibility (is that a word?) and forgiveness can go hand in hand, and forgiveness is Divine as they say. Um, I don't know what I'm even getting at here except that I think Locke may be, once yet again, trying to reconcile with his father. If losing a kidney wasn't enough to make him give up on Daddy I'm not entirely certain that losing his legs would make him give up either, especially from the vantage point of where he is now, having been able to walk again.

Gullible seems to be a common thread - how many times has Kate fallen for a trick

It seems like in the past, no matter how much Locke's Dad did to him, he always kept following the man around like a lost puppy just looking for approval of some sort. Even after Locke's kidney was taken, he still wanted to be around his Dad as he basically admitted in the hotel flashback in "Lockdown". (He said "I didn't do it for the money" followed by kind of a knowing look)

Locke may be the most gullible person in the world, but sometimes gullibility (is that a word?) and forgiveness can go hand in hand, and forgiveness is Divine as they say.

What's interesting, is that "forgiveness is not one of The Others' strong suits". I think that Locke is extremely vulnerable.

Locke is off to discover the island as Ben knows it. Locke wants to see whatever Ben wants to show him. Ben wants to know why "he's in the wheel chair and Locke is not." So locke will return when its time to return to the other Lostie's.

I don't think that Locke can kill his daddy or he would be out of sync with the island. However, Locke will IMO discover that daddy is also Sawyer ( the real Sawyer) and take daddo to meet the Lostie Sawyer.

Locke (IMHO) is on a quest to not just find the island secrets but to discover his destiny.

Locke is one scary motherf***er. He seriously freaks me out. If he isn't the ideal the candidate to join a cult, I don't know who is.INDEED!!! :nod:

He had a bit of a disappointed judgemental look in his eye when he told Kate he knew what she had done. I wonder just how much and what type of information they've shared with him.

Keep in mind also that we know that the room was bugged and Locke could have been editing what he told Kate because of it.

Locke is one scary motherf***er. He seriously freaks me out. If he isn't the ideal the candidate to join a cult, I don't know who is.

LOL! So true. I think he believes he's found himself another hippie commune and maybe this time, he'll finally discover the answers to life's mysteries and be happy. He's being duped again.

We haven't seen what transpired from the time Locke saw Cooper bound and gaggged and tonight's episode. Locke appears to have been beat up and now appears to be joining the Others. But looks can be deceiving. Remember Kate thought Jack had joined the Others based on a few seconds' observation of him playing football with Tom. Until we know what happened with Locke we can't be sure he doesn't have his own plans and reasons for his actions.

Maybe the Others grow good pot?

Tee-hee!

Wasn't locke's right hand wrapped up? Probably from turning his dad's face into applesauce.

Wasn't locke's right hand wrapped up? Probably from turning his dad's face into applesauce.

Hmmm....that was interesting. Nice catch.

At first I thought perhaps Jack hit Locke's eye after the submarine explosion, but I'm liking the idea that he punched his father. He did go to anger management treatment after all, so he probably got some good jabs in if they allowed him.

Locke seemed so powerful and serious when he came to say goodbye to Kate. I loved that dynamic. He is such an interesting character that they can't just make him disappear...I hope he doesn't pull a Michael/Walt on us. I think Locke is going with them and that way we will be able to see the Others' world through his eyes. Love it.

INDEED!!! :nod:
He had a bit of a disappointed judgmental look in his eye when he told Kate he knew what she had done.

Ha! I was wondering if I was losin' it - it seemed to me like Locke was (1) disappointed... but it also seemed like he was being (2) sternly judgmental... and YET it also seemed like he (3) just had that plain ol' off-his-nut look.

And then I see your post responding to a suggestion that he looked whacked-out with the reply that he looked disappointed and judgmental!

So it's not just me! Thank you, Lord!

- mnw

PS: Anybody remember the old Sammy Hagar song: "One, Two, Three Locke Box"???

I don't think that Locke can kill his daddy or he would be out of sync with the island. However, Locke will IMO discover that daddy is also Sawyer ( the real Sawyer) and take daddo to meet the Lostie Sawyer.


I agree, very true, with Cooper on the island (so obviously the real Sawyer) and Sawyer saying the only reason he has to get off the island is to kill the man who ruined his life, it seems written in the stars that this act has to take place. If it does it'll be one of the defining moments in the whole of LOST, and i'll be upset if we get anything less.

I think when all is said and done, the Losties won't escape the island (although they may have a way of getting off) and they'll all choose to stay their. Because they've gotten over their problems, dealed with their baggage and want to start a new life. Sawyer vs Cooper is a big part of that. Plus some people have already settled down anyway. Locke never wanted t leave, Sun and Jin seem happy their, i think Claire and Charlie are seeing the way, and are becoming more convinced slowly (although Charlie's life coming to a sudden end could happen, i wouldn't say no to that!). .

However i don't think Sawyer vs Cooper (Or Sawyer vs Sawyer) will happen until season 4. Near the end of LOST (Pains me to think about that).
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Wasn't locke's right hand wrapped up? Probably from turning his dad's face into applesauce.

LMAO, maybe he laid into him a bit - Sayid style.
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Locke kind of reminds me of Revovler Ocelot; you never really know which side of the war he is betraying.

Ahah so true, he even looks a bit liek him. We need a photoshop mock up of that - pronto!

However he's not nearly as cold as Ocelot surely lol.

In the end, I'm simply not surprised that Locke has disappeared with the rest of Ben's crew. I agree with the earlier posts in this thread that discuss Locke's "destiny". I guess I don't blame him in some regard . . . he can suddenly walk, he's met Smokey face-to-face, he's had a thing with Ben since we were calling him Henry Gale, and now he sees that his father has magically manifested himself on to the island. He is seeking truths. He has always sought belonging (he's so dang vulnerable). Now, Ben is admitting to finding Locke "special". He's been out of sorts with his Flight 815 mates for some time now. It does make sense.

Did the previews for next weeks episode show a submarine? Maybe Locke isn't with them all the way. Just using them.

Yeah, but with Juliet on the deck of it, and the way it was shot made it look like a flashback of her arrival to the island.

I just want to point out that at the end of The Man From Tallahassee, locke had the black eye BEFORE he met his father, it happened sometime between the scene of him blowing up the boat and us seeing him locked in the cupboard just before he gets taken to his father. Also the bandage on his arm could have been that he hurt his wrist when he had his hands handcuffed above him on a pipe in that cupboard. When he is walking down the corridor with Ben and Richard Alpert you can see him sort of looking at his arms as if they are hurt.

Locke is too inquisitive to not pass up a juicy opportunity to see the curtain pulled back on the secrets of the island.

Plus there are many mitigating circumstances ... he's been shown that the people he's trusted for 70+ days are not the people he thought they were. Plus ... his dad is technically their hostage.

Ben being the master manipulator, is using Locke's ability to commune with the Island on a deeper level than which he himself is capable. Ben is talking Locke and the rest of the others to wherever the "magic box" is. After he is done with Locke he will likely dump him. So once again in his life, Locke is being exploited and used by people in his search for belonging.

I do believe that Locke is a lynchpin to the entire show, as is Desmond/Penelope. They are the game changers, their characters will be crucial to the conclusion and wrapping up of the show's story arc.

Ben being the master manipulator, is using Locke's ability to commune with the Island on a deeper level than which he himself is capable. Ben is talking Locke and the rest of the others to wherever the "magic box" is. After he is done with Locke he will likely dump him. So once again in his life, Locke is being exploited and used by people in his search for belonging.

I do believe that Locke is a lynchpin to the entire show, as is Desmond/Penelope. They are the game changers, their characters will be crucial to the conclusion and wrapping up of the show's story arc.

I agree with your post...

I think that Ben is definitely still trying to con Locke for whatever reason(s)....but I'm hoping that Locke finally sees the light and is deep down aware of this. I'd love for him to flip the table on the Others and come up on top for a change in the end of it all.

I think Locke is so different this season. I really believe that he has discovered something very important about the Island and is on a mission. I think this discovery has changed him and I don't think he's easily manipulated anymore. In the end, Locke will out-manipulate Ben and emerge as the hero. He just seems to know exactly what he's doing.

Well back when he decided that the Button didnt need to be pushed and Desmond and Locke threw Ecko out, and Desmond asked whos your friend and Locke says they are not my friends, but yet when Jack is held hostage he yells WHERE ARE MY FRIENDS, It just goes to show that Locke only cares about himself and nobdoy else on the island

Locke is off to discover the island as Ben knows it. Locke wants to see whatever Ben wants to show him. Ben wants to know why "he's in the wheel chair and Locke is not." So locke will return when its time to return to the other Lostie's.

I don't think that Locke can kill his daddy or he would be out of sync with the island. However, Locke will IMO discover that daddy is also Sawyer ( the real Sawyer) and take daddo to meet the Lostie Sawyer.

Locke (IMHO) is on a quest to not just find the island secrets but to discover his destiny.

Oh....I like that! Seems very much in character for John.

...sometimes gullibility ...and forgiveness can go hand in hand, and forgiveness is Divine as they say.

I'm not sure this is what you were getting at at all, so forgive me, but...

Gullibility and forgiveness both come from the same initial quality, which is an openness or generosity of spirit. The difference is that in gullibility, the subject is attached to some idea or outcome that allows him to be led by the nose into folly. But forgiveness comes with detachment. Locke keeps seeking his father out to force some kind of resolution, to force the guy to make amends to him somehow...and so he keeps letting himself get played because he hears what he wants to hear. If he'd just forgive the sonuvabitch and walk away, he'd be free.

Yeah, I'm getting all Buddhist on your ***. Here comes some more crazy:

This is why I love the Locke character: he has a generosity of spirit that makes him a great mentor/advisor/teacher. But it's corrupted by self-seeking and attachment: he's selfishly attahced to his "teacher" position in the group because he wants to feel important (and he gets real pissed off if his "students" prove themselves to be unteachable). He is gullible because he's attached to this idea that he needs to be loved and respected, and he follows anyone who promises that.

His salvation will only come with detachment. My big hope is that when he was confronted with his father in the chair, he was able to just detach and walk away. And maybe that's what proved to the Others that he was worthy to go with them...but if he's finally free from gullibility, he won't stay with them.

But I doubt it. His hand is all bandaged up, which isn't a good sign.

We haven't seen what transpired from the time Locke saw Cooper bound and gaggged and tonight's episode. Locke appears to have been beat up and now appears to be joining the Others. But looks can be deceiving. Remember Kate thought Jack had joined the Others based on a few seconds' observation of him playing football with Tom. Until we know what happened with Locke we can't be sure he doesn't have his own plans and reasons for his actions.

Locke had the black eye before he was taken to the room with Cooper.
Here's Locke right after he is uncuffed from the pipe on the ceiling, after he blew up the sub and before seeing Cooper.
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-872.html

Here he is as he looks into the room where Cooper is sitting bound and gagged:
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1267-907.html

Do you think Ben hopes to steal away John's ability to walk?

Will John loose his ability to walk if he makes the island unhappy with his new family?

What if Ben has just summoned himself up the ultimate bargaining tool. They could be threatening to kill his dad, Although he did try and kill him, perhaps Locke is still longing for acceptance. Locke could see the choice of whether to have him killed as the ultimate opportunity to win his father over.

Anyone else find it weird when kate asked if he was captured, he said"no, only temporary". As in im going with them , but ill be back soon, they are just gona show me something.


Also its in the spoilers that he comes back to the beach and takes sawyer for a little trip into the jungle.So maybe he wants to show sawyer cooper?


hey nuno2 - i usually avoid spoilers but had to click yours. wow i cant wait if thats true.

I love spoilers but hadn't heard that one -

Interesting catch about the "new family". I wonder why he's being allowed to tag along. My guess is it won't turn out well for Johnny Locke though.

Depends I am starting to think that Locke is part of the family in more ways than we know - think Austin Powers ;)