To me it looked like smoky tried to read her or scan her, what ever he did to Ecko.
Then it looked to me like it suddenly was afraid and took off.
What did it look like to you?

To me it looked like smoky tried to read her or scan her, what ever he did to Ecko.
Then it looked to me like like it suddenly was afraid and took off.
What did it look like to you?

I thought the same thing! Maybe she was too "good" for the smoke monster so it didn't like her, or maybe her mark from the others did something to the wau the monsster reacted?

I think she purposefully showed Smokie that she was good, but I thought just to make it go away. Was it scared? hmmmm...:undecide: Smokey wasn't scared, but instead just satisfied w/ Juliet as checking out ok.

Maybe but it essentially did the same thing when it saw Eko. The flashes weren't as loud or violent, though.

I think it saw something in those initial flashes that scared it. Something from her past...

it worthly of rewatching.. the flashes felt like pictures. and yes it saw something, but maybe it wasnt Julia.. maybe it was kate it read.

I think it was reacting to the fence being there. It couldn't get through to Juliet.

I think it was reacting to the fence being there. It couldn't get through to Juliet.

I was not clear on what scene I was talking about.
I meant the scene were Juliet and Kate are hiding in the tree.
Not the one were smoky comes to the fence

I think it was reacting to the fence being there. It couldn't get through to Juliet.

That is after the initial "viewing." We are talking about when they were hiding in the trees from the smoke monster and it appeared to look right at Juliette and the flashes happened like when it looked at Eko and saw his life.

If it was indeed afraid of her and Eko, it wasn't so afraid as to not come back after them. (successful with Eko, and foiled by the barrier with Juliet/ Kate.) Maybe after the initial "read", smokey needs to do something to process the information it gets before choosing how to act against that person?

I don't think it was afraid of her.. why would it turn around and chase her just a few minutes later when they leave the trees? I think it ran off (hehe) because it wanted them to come out.

I wanna know what all those bright flashes were. We havent seen anything like that yet. And smokey had a new snarling snorting kind of noise. He's definitely evolving.

I thought the new sounding flashes (very different from Eko's experience) was more akin to feedback, as though it COULDN'T read her. For some reason Smokey was not able to access her that way. Maybe some kind of implant, some drug (they take that injection don't they?)... Was very strange, at first I thought the flashes were Smokey taking some information from her, because I thought the Other's controlled Smokey. But with Juliet remembering the code for the fence and her statement that they don't know what it is but they know it doesn't like the fence makes me think more than ever that Smokey is the Island.

I'm not saying it can't KILL her, but I am confused why it just didn't rip the tree's up to get'em if thats what it wanted. Which I think supports my idea that it tried to read her, couldn't, and fled to regather itself.

People have speculated before that there are more than one "Smokey's". Maybe it had to rather missing elements of itself or had to get the Smokey version that doens't just scan (which it was) but the brusier Smokey... Interesting either way.

I have been thinking about this all morning.
This is just a thought: Maybe Juliet was just coning Kate that she did not know what smoky was. When in reality the others are for lack of a better work - it's master.
Smoky might of sensed one of the losties but did not expect to find one of the others.
The flashes were Juliet actually communicating with it. The fence thing was just a ruse
to make Kate think Juliet is now one of them. After all Juliet knew the fence was off.
If she was unconsciously dragged into the jungle and not in on the scam, how did she know that.
just babbling away here :undecide:

I have been thinking about this all morning.
This is just a thought: Maybe Juliet was just coning Kate that she did not know what smoky was. When in reality the others are for lack of a better work - it's master.
Smoky might of sensed one of the losties but did not expect to find one of the others.
The flashes were Juliet actually communicating with it. The fence thing was just a ruse
to make Kate think Juliet is now one of them. After all Juliet knew the fence was off.
If she was unconsciously dragged into the jungle and not in on the scam, how did she know that.
just babbling away here :undecide:

I really believe that the others don't know what it is, at least that is what they told Juliette. Remember she was brought to the island, those that were born on the island might know what it is.

As for the flashes- I think they are the same think that happened with Eko, and probably Locke at some point. It just looked different because we were seeing them from a different angle.

I really believe that the others don't know what it is, at least that is what they told Juliette. Remember she was brought to the island, those that were born on the island might know what it is.

As for the flashes- I think they are the same think that happened with Eko, and probably Locke at some point. It just looked different because we were seeing them from a different angle.

Could well be. But there was still something in the scene that we were meant to gather from it or figure out. :shrug:

Could well be. But there was still something in the scene that we were meant to gather from it or figure out. :shrug:

I think what we were suppose to see was the way the monster reacted to Juleitte.

Smokey appeared to John Locke as a bright white light, which is what he looked like to me when he ran into Juliet. He was trying to get Kate (not Juliet) because she refuses to forgive her mother for turning her in, and Smokey represents self-judgement somehow. He is redemption, and if people can not redeem themselves, then he does it for them by killing them.

Juliet is "good," which is why Smokey got all bright and white and high tailed it away from her when he saw she was handcuffed to Kate.

Not so sure that Juliet is one of the good guys. Seems to me the whole thing last might was a set up. Juliet knew the fence was off! How, if she was unconscious like she said?

Not so sure that Juliet is one of the good guys. Seems to me the whole thing last might was a set up. Juliet knew the fence was off! How, if she was unconscious like she said?
I'm still not certain if its a setup or not, but I think Kate told Juliet that The Others have left. If she has been there for three years with them, she HAS to know where they went, so she probably knew that they had turned the fence off to get out of the Barracks and that it can't be turn back on from outside. So she basically assumed it was off, pretty risky if you ask me, but oh well...

Well Locke said that when he faced the monster he saw a bright light. So smokey came toward Juliet/Kate and we see Juliet illuminated by bright light before the monster shrivels up and retreats. This at least didn't seem to be the same type of illumination as when the monster scanned Eko -- it at least seemed much brighter. Maybe this was for cinematic effect to let us know it was scanning Juliet without showing us the monster directly. Although the monster's retreat seemed much more "fearful" than when it scanned Eko. With Eko is sort of moseyed off. With Juliet is jumped back.

I also recall in Eko's last episode, Eko was at the water when the monster appeared over his back. The second Locke appeared, the monster retreated from him.

There seems to be some kind of correlation. Anyone that causes the monster to be bright makes it go away, at least when it's in the presence of someone else.

My guess is the white light has to do with "good people". Locke is a good person, he's one of the few losties whose past doesn't involve murder or anything of the sort. And his experience with the monster just happens to be different. I'm guessing Juliet is also a "good person". The monster, I think, was going in for the kill on Kate, who of course murdered her dad and wasn't precisely in the process of performing a good deed when the monster showed up. The monster wanted to get Kate or at least offer her the same sort of ultimatum it gave Eko, but it was unable to do this in the presence of Juliet.

Although this theory of mine sort of falls apart due to the fact that the monster directly approached Juliet as she put up the shield, and appeared black throughout the entire ordeal. Maybe it was trying to just get past the shield before it was locked out entirely, I don't know.