The opening scene shows Kate looking out the window beyond the Mousetrap game that is on the table. Where have we seen Mousetrap before? Was Walt playing it once? It's probably so obvious, but the details are getting more and more convoluted as time goes on.

Wasn't Locke playing Mousetrap with a kid in the toy store back in one of his first few backstories?

Locke was showing a kid how to play it at the beginning of Deus Ex Machina, when he was working at the toy store.

That's some serious symbolism.

Thank you, LL!

Locke was playing it at the Toys-R-Us he was working at in one his flashbacks.

Locke said it was his favorite game as a kid...in fact he made some specific comments about why he liked the game...I may have to go back and rewatch that!

All before me speak the truth. Locke, our resident master of games, showed a kid how Mouse Trap was set up in one of his episodes.

...and Kate was playing backgammon, Locke's other favorite game.

Given both references, are these fuel for theories that Locke was on the island as a child?

Locke on the island - could he be the twin of Ben -- ooohhh that would be good?

And mouse trap - Juliet playing Kate until she traps her - and then she doesn't agrue to bring her back with the other Losties!

or are these just hints that someone's playing games? mindgames, that is. i'm reminded of jack's comment in the episode where locke played chess and blew up the flame
jack: "you like to play games don't you locke?"
locke: "yeah, i do"

... the mousetrap technique shows participants that their thinking and decision making may be marked by various forms of faulty reasoning including rationalization, double standards, and confusing personal versus social values.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4062/is_200209/ai_n9099467/pg_3 (http://http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4062/is_200209/ai_n9099467/pg_3)

I know I have something to say about this, but it's 3:30 a.m. Something about parallels with Kate's flashback (why she killed Wayne) and present time (assuming Jack said don't come back to protect her). Widening the scope ... parallels with all the Losties. :ohwell:

In season one we see Locke telling a kid in a toy store that Mouse Trap is his favorite game and he use to play it with his brother. In Kate's episode this week we see there is a Mouse Trap game in the rec. room where she is being kept....

Anyone else think that we will learn more about Locke's brother?

Wow. He said that? Geez, I HAVE to watch season 1 over again!

Really!!? I didn't notice the mouse trap game. I'll have to watch again this week-end.
His remark about his brother has nagged at me for months. I keep waiting for the pay-off. Presumably it's a "foster brother", but still...I wonder WHO it will turn out to be?

The episode in the first season when he mentioned Mouse Trap is Deus Ex Machina....here is a link of that and also the game in the rec. room...
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=255

I have been wondering WHO his brother is too...I want it to be Christian Shephard!

Very interesting. I wonder what mice he'd like to catch in the trap he is setting?

It would be *so* interesting if it turned out to be Christian - imagine the confrontation between Jack and Locke, who have been at odds with one another since day one. It would also explain the 'fatherly' or 'uncle-ish' relationship between Locke and Claire. Just to go another way though, what if it were Tom? We know it can't be Ben, since he's already said that he's been on the island his entire life.

Locke had a lot of brothers though, he grew up in an ophanage. So, which ever brother he was talking about could be whoever??

Hey, for what it's worth, we did get a small Mousetrap discussion going after this week's episode. http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=74954

I hadn't realized that Locke said he 'played it with his brother' either. I'll have to go back and find the threads re: speculation of Ben and Locke being brothers, or Locke being on the island before (and maybe even WAY before).

Wow, I can't believe I missed that!

One important thing to note is that the Mouse Trap in the rec. room is fairly new. It has the newer cover on it so it probably was added to the room fairly recently. I knew I spotted a game, but I wasn't sure what it was.

Juliet: "Ben's got a thing for mind games."

So, what if the game were strategically placed just to activate some memory in Locke, just to mess with him even more so after the 'reveal' of Cooper? We could be speculating on the brother issue for nothing.

I saw there was a game in the red room behind Kate but I couldn't make out what it was. Thanks guys!

I love the name of this thread!!!! Very, very intriguing.

Here's a screencap of the Mouse Trap game in the rec room. (http://homepage.mac.com/tonyagoodnow/lost/3x15_mousetrap.jpg)

Seems like there are 2 boxes, probably the top and bottom, as if it was opened and played with, but never put away.

Wow, you're right. I didn't even catch that one over on the right! I've updated the screencap to show that one too.

[FLASHBACK] (From the scene where Locke and Boone were about to engage the trebuchet on the hatch glass in the opening scene of Deux Ex Machina))...

[Shot of Locke's hand setting up a Mouse Trap game as an employee in a department store. A kid walks up.] (Some have said this kid was Jack as a boy)...

KID: What's that?

LOCKE: A game. It's my favorite game, actually. I used to play it with my brother. It's called Mouse Trap.

KID: How do you play?

LOCKE: Well, you start with all these parts off the board. And then, one by one, you build the trap - shoe, bucket, tub - piece by piece it all comes together. And then you wait 'til your opponent lands here on the old cheese wheel. And then if you set it up just right, you spring the trap. Go ahead, kiddo.

Locke didn't know who his mother was till they met in recent years. So I'm assuming this brother was with him in an orphanage, rather than both raised under her roof in their childhood. And a biological brother, not "brother" as Desmond uses the term. I don't think Locke would talk that way.

I played an early version of Mouse Trap and don't remember any strategy involved. But read they changed it later to where you could maneuver your opponent's mouse in certain ways. I think that must be what's going on here. Locke and another player are carefully building a trap trying to maneuver the other into it.

It would be *so* interesting if it turned out to be Christian - imagine the confrontation between Jack and Locke, who have been at odds with one another since day one. It would also explain the 'fatherly' or 'uncle-ish' relationship between Locke and Claire.

And "Jack" is a nickname for "John" ("Jack Kennedy" for example).

So maybe Jack was named after his uncle (Locke).

Locke may be grateful someday to learn he has a nephew who's a fine spinal surgeon!

Is it really possible to have a known brother when you don't know who ether of your parents are... even at an orphanage how would they know. But then again why would Locke lie to the boy? Unles he liked to talk like he had a family so he wouldnt feel alone. First post on here and already confusin myself

Okay, now I really want that theory to be true and I want to see the episode in which they find out! lol

Writers, are you reading this? :p

We know it can't be Ben, since he's already said that he's been on the island his entire life.

Not true. Just because Ben's been on the island means nothing. What if Locke were born on the island? Also, can we ever absolutely believe Ben on anything he says?

I think it would be interesting if Mouse Trap were Ben's favorite childhood game. Crap, he's the master at traps and games. If Locke has a brother on the island I'd guess Ben.

Christian Shepherd, they don't even look alike. Jack be Locke's nephew? Come on...Uncle Locke is worse than Uncle Fester.

What about Locke's mom saying he was immaculately conceived. Then he couldn't have a full brother.

Plus brother could just mean someone that he was raised with. In a foster home. In his parent's home. In his mom's mental institution. On the island.

Not true. Just because Ben's been on the island means nothing. What if Locke were born on the island? Also, can we ever absolutely believe Ben on anything he says?Let me rephrase. I should have said "What we know so far tells us that it can't be Ben", but you're right in that Ben could be lying about being raised on the island. Christian Shepherd, they don't even look alike. Jack be Locke's nephew?Plus brother could just mean someone that he was raised with. In a foster home. In his parent's home. In his mom's mental institution. On the island.Exactly why it's entirely plausible that it MIGHT be Christian. It's not out of the realm of possibility, especially if he was a foster brother.

Locke also had a sister, Jeanie, who died. He also said he had a foster mother, but didn't give her name (hmmm...). I'd guess that the brother was his foster mother's son, or perhaps another foster child that she took in.

Here's from the transcript of Outlaws (S1, Ep 16)...Locke is talking to Sawyer and Kate:

LOCKE [making coffee]: My sister, Jeanie, died when I was a boy. Fell off the monkey bars and broke her neck. And my mother, well, my foster mother, she blamed herself, of course -- thought she wasn't watching close enough. So, she stopped eating, stopped sleeping. The neighbors started talking, afraid she might do something to herself, I guess. [Sipping coffee] Oh, that's good. Anyway, about 6 months after Jeanie's funeral this golden retriever comes padding up our driveway, walks right into our house, sits down on the floor, and looks right at my mother, there on the couch. And my mother looks back at the dog. After about a minute of this, of them both staring at each other like that, my mother burst into tears. Beautiful dog, no tags, no collar, healthy, and sweet. The dog slept in Jeanie's old room, on Jeanie's old bed and stayed with us until my mother passed 5 years later. Then, disappeared back to wherever it was she came from in the first place.

KATE: So, you're saying the dog was your sister?

LOCKE: Well, that would be silly. But my mother thought it was, thought that Jeanie had come back to tell her the accident wasn't her fault, let her off the hook.
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I just put it together that Locke's sister died by falling and breaking her neck...while Locke fell (was pushed) and broke his back. Yikes.

check out game theory at wiki. it's pretty interesting.

and remember that locke was playing "risk" in
"walkabout" season 1 eps. 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_theory

Wasn't the kid that Locke was demonstrating Mouse Trap to a young Jack?

I thought at the time that it was the same kid who'd played young Jack in the episode where he got the black eye.

Understanding Mouse Trap goes a long way to understanding the show.

Plus, ABC is owned by Disney and part of me is still waiting for them to open a new hatch and go inside to find a guy dressed like Mickey Mouse, with the head part off, smoking a cigarette and reading a news paper. He looks up at Jack and Locke and says "Hey, you guys can't go in there, that exibit isn't finished yet!". Then Sawyer asks if the validate.

Sorry, I get carried away...

The episode in the first season when he mentioned Mouse Trap is Deus Ex Machina....here is a link of that and also the game in the rec. room...
http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=255

I have been wondering WHO his brother is too...I want it to be Christian Shephard!I love the possibility of that!

And then if the show starts slowly showing that there's not just connections between them all, but they're all indirectly or directly related.. Puts a new spin on "see ya in another life, brotha"...

So I did a little research, thought this was pretty intriguing:

From the hasbro website info on the game mousetrap:
"Build a better mousetrap and you can catch your opponent’s mouse before yours is caught! As you travel around the board, collect pieces to create your trap, then put it together and start up the whole crazy chain reaction – this is no ordinary mousetrap! For 2 to 4 players.

Age: 6,7,8,9

Manufacturer: Hasbro" (hasbro = literal hint maybe? "has" "bro" )


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Trap_(board_game)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_Trap_(board_game))
"(originally titled Mouse Trap Game) is a board game first published by Ideal in 1963 for two or more players. Players travel as mice from one end of the board to the other, moving in a turn based manner guided by a six sided die, supplied with the game. Upon landing on a square, they either retrieve a piece of cheese, or assemble a piece of a complex mouse trap contraption that is the game's namesake, and which was inspired by the work of Rube Goldberg. The contraption has gears, a marble which rolls from end to end down a miniature staircase, ramps, rubber bands, diving men, and ends of course in a mouse trap, specifically a dome-shaped cage which clatters down a toothed pole. Upon reaching the end of the board, all players travel in a circle, ending up underneath the 'net' of the trap, or on a space to 'trip' the trap. Operating the contraption requires a piece of cheese, gained earlier.

The object of the game is to build the trap, and to trap the other mice. The original version, designed by Marvin Glass and Associates, allowed the players almost no decision-making, in keeping with other games for very young children such as Candyland, The Game of Life, or Snakes and Ladders. However, the unpredictable nature of the trap mechanism means that the game has an additional layer of sophistication that makes the game far more interesting than others where the chief randomizing agent is a pair of dice. In the 1970s, the board game surrounding the Mouse Trap was redesigned by Sid Sackson, adding the cheese pieces and allowing the player to maneuver opponents onto the trap space.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg)
Main article: Rube Goldberg machine

A Rube Goldberg machine or device is any exceedingly complex apparatus that performs a very simple task in a very indirect and convoluted way. Rube devised such pataphysical devices. The best examples of his machines have an anticipation factor: the fact that something so wacky is happening can only be topped by it happening in a suspenseful manner.

The term also applies as a classification for a generally over-complicated apparatus or software. It first appeared in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the definition, "accomplishing by extremely complex roundabout means what actually or seemingly could be done simply."

Whattya think?

Nothing in Lost is insignificant. We have been watching and re-watching the shows for nearly 3 seasons and have come up with countless theories. Some have merit some don't, but I don't think there is one of us that has not seen some "throwaway line" turn into something important. Whether we knew it at the time or not. "The Mousetrap" was the play within a play in William Shakespeare's Hamlet, "the plays the thing to catch the conscious of the king." I am still rooting for Locke to be the big hero of the show (he may be the big villian though), I love the fact that he played Mousetrap with his brother. Someone mentioned that it couldn't be Ben (his brother that is) but I think that Locke is an Other. There is no real evidence of this but he definately has a connection to the island. People can leave the island, so maybe loke was on the island as a small child, or even further into life. If this is so then Ben could be his brother. I think that Locke is a good guy, on the lostie side, we just don't understand his methods as of yet.
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Also, Locke the philosopher is famous for Tabula Rasa or Blank Slate. Perhaps our John Locke had his mind wiped of his time on the island.

Not true. Just because Ben's been on the island means nothing. What if Locke were born on the island? Also, can we ever absolutely believe Ben on anything he says?

I think it would be interesting if Mouse Trap were Ben's favorite childhood game. Crap, he's the master at traps and games. If Locke has a brother on the island I'd guess Ben.

Christian Shepherd, they don't even look alike. Jack be Locke's nephew? Come on...Uncle Locke is worse than Uncle Fester.

What about Locke's mom saying he was immaculately conceived. Then he couldn't have a full brother.

Plus brother could just mean someone that he was raised with. In a foster home. In his parent's home. In his mom's mental institution. On the island.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cooper had offspring all across the planet. Locke could have dozens of half sisters and brothers. Locke looks no more like Ben than he does Christian Shepherd. Look around though...many full siblings don't even slightly resemble each other.
It seems like it would be pointless for any significant brother in this storyline to be unrelated. My vote for the most likely candidate is Ben.

When Ben made his "How did it feel" speech to Locke, I got the feeling there was more to it for Ben than a simple question. Like he has had a more personal experience with these feelings himself. Maybe Ben captured Cooper for himself, out of his own need for revenge on the man. Not sure I believe that myself - just thinking out loud.



[FLASHBACK]
KID: How do you play?

LOCKE: Well, you start with all these parts off the board. And then, one by one, you build the trap - shoe, bucket, tub - piece by piece it all comes together. And then you wait 'til your opponent lands here on the old cheese wheel. And then if you set it up just right, you spring the trap. Go ahead, kiddo.

I played an early version of Mouse Trap and don't remember any strategy involved. But read they changed it later to where you could maneuver your opponent's mouse in certain ways. I think that must be what's going on here. Locke and another player are carefully building a trap trying to maneuver the other into it.

I think the main thing we are supposed to take from this, is the fact that a trap, or several traps have been set.
Maybe back in Deus ex Machina when we first see Locke with the game, he was entering the first stage of the trap. And now, after following through all the various phases that eventually led him to Otherville he is in sight of the "old cheese wheel" - his father, the final piece of bait. Who is guiding the pawn in this game though...Ben, Jacob, Dharma or Fate?

And does this second sighting of the Mousetrap game have significance for Locke, as a reminder that he is still being guided towards a trap? Or is it to symbolize that Kate is also being lead into a trap? Or both?

I like your idea Billy, that Locke and another, most likely Ben, are both opponents in the same game, trying to out-con the other. Two players, one light, one dark. We just don't know who the light and dark are yet.

Locke on the island - could he be the twin of Ben -- ooohhh that would be good?Oh no, that sounds like bad soap opera territory! :yucky:

I hope we don't see an 11th hour reveal involving Locke's long lost brother. That kinda strikes me as scraping the bottom of the plot twist barrel...

There is much symbolism! Jack, Kate, Sayid, and Juliette were left behind. These are the players. Now as the others will be the traps. This is the game where the mouses have to win to find out wat is going on. but i dont know, its just a theory/opinion.

2 separate Mouse Trap games, the bottom 1/2 of the box is plain white. One upside down, on right side up.
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Is it really possible to have a known brother when you don't know who ether of your parents are... even at an orphanage how would they know. But then again why would Locke lie to the boy? Unles he liked to talk like he had a family so he wouldnt feel alone. First post on here and already confusin myselfEverytime I remember this quote I always think Locke's brother is younger than he is, when in fact he could be older.

IF John does have a brother on Craphole Island, perhaps it is this Jacob we keep hearing about from the Others.

I am thinking it's a foster brother. I don't think John knew any of his biological family at all while growing up. Still, it could be a biological brother of whom he doesn't have any knowledge.

Intriguing.

Wasn't the kid that Locke was demonstrating Mouse Trap to a young Jack?

I thought at the time that it was the same kid who'd played young Jack in the episode where he got the black eye.

Understanding Mouse Trap goes a long way to understanding the show.

Plus, ABC is owned by Disney and part of me is still waiting for them to open a new hatch and go inside to find a guy dressed like Mickey Mouse, with the head part off, smoking a cigarette and reading a news paper. He looks up at Jack and Locke and says "Hey, you guys can't go in there, that exibit isn't finished yet!". Then Sawyer asks if the validate.

Sorry, I get carried away...No they were completely different boys.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-47-1.html John O'Hara III
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-358-1.html Tyler Burns Laudowicz

Wow...I love all the theories and info. everyone has posted since I made my first post on this! Very impressive.
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I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the secret Locke told Walt in season 1 (during the famous black vs. white speech) was that he knows he was born there and has returned home finally. Maybe his real parents are Adam & Eve. Maybe Locke and his brother were seperated and brother stayed on this island. Ha...this is all a huge stretch but would be kind of cool.

How about Mr Friendly being Locke's long lost brother - that would be a twist --

I did think it would be cool to have Ben and Locke be brothers - but you are right iBogo it would be a soap operaish!

Wow...I love all the theories and info. everyone has posted since I made my first post on this! Very impressive.
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I was just thinking wouldn't it be cool if the secret Locke told Walt in season 1 (during the famous black vs. white speech) was that he knows he was born there and has returned home finally. Maybe his real parents are Adam & Eve. Maybe Locke and his brother were seperated and brother stayed on this island. Ha...this is all a huge stretch but would be kind of cool.

Heh! That's pretty cool! But I think the Big Secret Locke told Walt was that he was able to walk again as soon as he landed on the Island.

What about Locke's mom saying he was immaculately conceived. Then he couldn't have a full brother.

Plus brother could just mean someone that he was raised with. In a foster home. In his parent's home. In his mom's mental institution. On the island.

That line has always made me wonder if Locke wasn't part of one of the Dharma pregnancy experiments...I thought that his mother saying that was very strange...then Locke told Cooper that his mom said he was immaculately conceived while having a drink with Cooper before the surgery. Cooper just laughed...but what if he kind of was?

Seems like all of the "crazy" people (Hurley, Libby, Danielle, etc and maybe Locke's mom) have not turned out to be crazy after all have they?

The topic of immaculate conception being mentioned on a show where they are impregnating male rats and female cancer patients makes me go...HUM!

TPTB felt it important enough to mention twice...usually that means "hey viewers...pay attention!"

This could also put Locke on the island as a young boy with his brother and all of the other "orphan children". The Others do have a thing for collecting children.

What if he was on the island as a child? Would he know where he was if he was just a young boy? They could have just told him he was in Portland!

Interesting possibilties.

That line has always made me wonder if Locke wasn't part of one of the Dharma pregnancy experiments...I thought that his mother saying that was very strange...then Locke told Cooper that his mom said he was immaculately conceived while having a drink with Cooper before the surgery. Cooper just laughed...but what if he kind of was?

Do we know for a fact that woman and Cooper are Locke's parents? I thought Cooper conned Locke into thinking that he was his dad, not just conning him into a kidney. What proof does Locke have that these are his parents? He has no documentation. If anything, I thought it was strange that Cooper was his dad because to me they looked fairly close in age.

Cooper is definitely older than Locke but I agree he doesn't look 18 years older.
I think Locke looks older because he is bald though. I imagine he is supposed to be in his late 50s on the show.

As for the game -- the screen cap posted a few pages back looks like the box was open - recently played -- Maybe Walt had been playing it recently before he was reunited with Michael?

The bottom 1/2 of the Mouse Trap game is all white. There is no writing at all on it. There are 2 Mouse Trap games.

The bottom 1/2 of the Mouse Trap game is all white. There is no writing at all on it. There are 2 Mouse Trap games.

I wonder if it's a team building exercise. Ha!

Do we know for a fact that woman and Cooper are Locke's parents? I thought Cooper conned Locke into thinking that he was his dad, not just conning him into a kidney. What proof does Locke have that these are his parents? He has no documentation. If anything, I thought it was strange that Cooper was his dad because to me they looked fairly close in age.

That's what I mean...maybe his mother (the woman that claims to be his mother) knows that he was some type of experiment...maybe she couldn't have children (ala Juliet's sister) and had the same or similar treatment to become pregnant...therefore making his conception immaculate.

Swoozie Kurtz has always seemd too young to play Emily Locke. It's really hard to know what to believe about her.

As for Cooper and the kidney, if Cooper really needed a kidney, the best place to look for a match would be his family.

Terry was born in 1952 (I have to add this, this is a very handsome (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/3606/TerryOQuin_Vespa_5992861_400.jpg.html?path=pgaller y&path_key=O'Quinn%2C%20Terry&seq=4)picture of Terry.)

Kevin Tighe was born in 1944
Swoozie Kurtz was also born in 1944

Even if they are playing Locke a few years younger than his actual age....It seems to me we are pushing it. I know this has been discussed before.

Could Locke's brother not be Wayne (Kate's father)? That would be rather cynical, Locke saying coldly goodbye to Kate and leaving her in the rec.room with the Mousetrap game.. because the others told him that she blew up his brother.

Sounds a bit farfetched maybe, but there is this Tallahassee connection, isn't there?

As for Cooper and the kidney, if Cooper really needed a kidney, the best place to look for a match would be his family.

I know that's how it goes, but I think just the way the whole backstory was set up, it just yields a lot of questions.

And I thought of something else ... what if his parents really are only a few years older than him, like 15 or 16 years older. Say they were 2 kids who got into a "trouble" and she got pregnant. What if she lied and said he was immaculately conceived because she didn't want to accept that she "messed up" or that is what her parents made her think? I know in the past they used to ship off pregnant girls to a "special" school for a few months, to have the baby and then come back and attend school. I don't think this is necessarily the case, but Locke being an experimental baby sounds a bit odd to me, but then again -- this is LOST!

I know that's how it goes, but I think just the way the whole backstory was set up, it just yields a lot of questions.

And I thought of something else ... what if his parents really are only a few years older than him, like 15 or 16 years older. Say they were 2 kids who got into a "trouble" and she got pregnant. What if she lied and said he was immaculately conceived because she didn't want to accept that she "messed up" or that is what her parents made her think? I know in the past they used to ship off pregnant girls to a "special" school for a few months, to have the baby and then come back and attend school. I don't think this is necessarily the case, but Locke being an experimental baby sounds a bit odd to me, but then again -- this is LOST!

Since IRL Locke's parent's are only 8 years older than he is, anything is possible. It's not how Cooper came off sounding.

Anthony: Did she say anything about me?
Locke: She said that I didn't have a father, that I was immaculately conceived.
Anthony: Really? Well, I guess that makes me God, huh? I didn't know you existed until a year after you were born. She told me she wasn't even going to have a baby... you... at all. Then she drops off the face of the planet. When she turns up again, she's asking for money... telling me she put you up for adoption. You going to drink that or what? You have a family your own?

(At 15 or 16 how much money could Cooper have had?) just seems fishy.

Since IRL Locke's parent's are only 8 years older than he is, anything is possible. It's not how Cooper came off sounding.

Anthony: Did she say anything about me?
Locke: She said that I didn't have a father, that I was immaculately conceived.
Anthony: Really? Well, I guess that makes me God, huh? I didn't know you existed until a year after you were born. She told me she wasn't even going to have a baby... you... at all. Then she drops off the face of the planet. When she turns up again, she's asking for money... telling me she put you up for adoption. You going to drink that or what? You have a family your own?

(At 15 or 16 how much money could Cooper have had?) just seems fishy.

Hmm... you are right. You have given me something to ponder!

Once again, too many mentions of Locke being connected to the island for me not to believe that he was somehow part of the experiments in their early stages.

Not sure if the timeline works but with Des going back to the past, I guess anything is possible now.

A show with Pregnant cancer patients and male lab rats AND a man who's mother told him he was immaculately conceived??????

The quote with Cooper saying "Then she drops off the face of the planet. When she turns up again, she's asking for money... telling me she put you up for adoption." begs the question...where exactly did she "fall off the face of the planet"?

Where did she go?
Why did she not have her child when she came back?
Where was he?

Heh! That's pretty cool! But I think the Big Secret Locke told Walt was that he was able to walk again as soon as he landed on the Island.


I disagree...I don't think we know yet what Locke told Walt.

I disagree...I don't think we know yet what Locke told Walt.Locke told Walt that a "miracle" happened. I think it was fairly implied he was talking about his paralysis. But I suppose they could always change it later.

...And then Micheal and Walt were hiding from the rain talking about Locke, and Walt says "Mr. Locke says a miracle happened to him". Then Micheal got all angry and Jealous and doesn't want to hear about it. I have to say Micheal was my least favorite character :)

So, maybe it's all a "reality" game but the survivors don't know it. The food drops keep them alive long enough for the game to play out. If Ben "wins" he gets a trip off craphole island, gets to see the world he's never seen. :biggrin:

Hmmm . . . maybe Sawyer will be seen reading "Who Moved My Cheese?" ;)