In the scene where Juliet faced the monster from behind the fence, was anyone else reminded of the final scene in the movie "Carrie"?

And given that Carrie is Juliet's favorite book, maybe this is a further hint that she has telekinetic powers -- which may explain the "flashes" that repelled Smokey.

eh.........
no
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Ok, bear with me. This is an image of Carrie in one of the final scenes from the film. It's gory, so don't click the link if you are faint of heart! The point is, Carrie is covered with blood, her hair is slicked down and matted, but she has this maniacal, determined look on her face. This is the best screen shot I could find.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/72/039_39789.jpg

Here's the best Lost Media screencap of Juliet that parallels the Carrie scene -- of course it's mud not blood, and if you watch the episode there are better shots that make the point, but Juliet has the same kind of look, and I think this is at least an homage to the scene in Carrie.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-857.html

I havent watched the movie but Juliet covered in mud definitely stuck out in my mind. I think you have something with the comparison. If nothing else it is another wonderful shout out to Sai King.

I definitely agree with the Juliet / Carrie telekinetic thing ... and I think if you look more carefully you will find a better picture of Juliet covered in mud except for those blue, blue eyes even more like Carrie.

Ok, bear with me. This is an image of Carrie in one of the final scenes from the film. It's gory, so don't click the link if you are faint of heart! The point is, Carrie is covered with blood, her hair is slicked down and matted, but she has this maniacal, determined look on her face. This is the best screen shot I could find.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/72/039_39789.jpg

Here's the best Lost Media screencap of Juliet that parallels the Carrie scene -- of course it's mud not blood, and if you watch the episode there are better shots that make the point, but Juliet has the same kind of look, and I think this is at least an homage to the scene in Carrie.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-857.html

Nice parallel - I like it.. They do seem similar..

Did any notice that Juliet's eyes became extremely blue during her interaction with the monster? When you compare Juliet to Carrie, that reminds me of Sissy Spacek's wide-eyed stare..

Nice parallel - I like it.. They do seem similar..

Did any notice that Juliet's eyes became extremely blue during her interaction with the monster? When you compare Juliet to Carrie, that reminds me of Sissy Spacek's wide-eyed stare..

Indeed, it does parallel nicely. So, what if the sonic fence really does nothing and Juliet was repelling Smokey with telekinesis?

And yes, her eyes are a blue color in that scene. We have had eye color changes throughout the series... what do they mean?

And yes, her eyes are a blue color in that scene. We have had eye color changes throughout the series... what do they mean?

What are Juliet's eyes color before this scene?

Screencap of Juliet with the blue eyes: http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-883.html

What are Juliet's eyes color before this scene?

Juliet's eye color has definitely been enhanced:


Juliet's eyes - typical (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-1137.html)

Juliet's eyes during interaction with smoke monster - extremely blue (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-877.html)

ETA - OK, I'm getting a distinct Children of the Damned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Damned)vibe...

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Indeed, it does parallel nicely. So, what if the sonic fence really does nothing and Juliet was repelling Smokey with telekinesis?

And yes, her eyes are a blue color in that scene. We have had eye color changes throughout the series... what do they mean? Hmmm... what do they mean.. Good question.. could it be a power from within that is being manifested?

Juliet's eye color has definitely been enhanced:


Juliet's eyes - typical (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-1137.html)

Juliet's eyes during interaction with smoke monster - extremely blue (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-877.html)

ETA - OK, I'm getting a distinct Children of the Damned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Damned)vibe...



Thanks for the link...

yeah, there is definitely a stark difference.

I have some photography knowledge and the first screencap seems to be under some direct sunlight and the second screencap is under what seems like an overcast weather.

Usually colors pops out and are brighter under shaded/overcast lighting... it might not work the same for cinematography though.

Thanks for the link...

yeah, there is definitely a stark difference.

I have some photography knowledge and the first screencap seems to be under some direct sunlight and the second screencap is under what seems like an overcast weather.

Usually colors pops out and are brighter under shaded/overcast lighting... it might not work the same for cinematography though.You're right, eye color would appear different depending on the surrounding lighting conditions.

But here's a shot in the same sequence (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-847.html)and same lighting conditions.. This is more like her normal eye color.

Whereas this shot (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-877.html)is distinctly enhanced.

Mark my words - Children of the Damned....

The mud made me think of the move "Predator". The creature used heat sensing to find its prey, so Arnold covered himself in med to fool the creature. If you recall, the creature in Predator could camoflage itself to appear invisible.

ETA - OK, I'm getting a distinct Children of the Damned (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Damned)vibe...



Dilated pupils and creepy stares!yeah,children of the damned indeed!


Ok, bear with me. This is an image of Carrie in one of the final scenes from the film. It's gory, so don't click the link if you are faint of heart! The point is, Carrie is covered with blood, her hair is slicked down and matted, but she has this maniacal, determined look on her face. This is the best screen shot I could find.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/IMAGES/72/039_39789.jpg

Here's the best Lost Media screencap of Juliet that parallels the Carrie scene -- of course it's mud not blood, and if you watch the episode there are better shots that make the point, but Juliet has the same kind of look, and I think this is at least an homage to the scene in Carrie.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1273-857.html
very similar with the scene that Carrie gets soaked with the red paint!good parallel!

So are you also saying her telekinetic powers kept the monster away when they were in the bundle of trees? b/c her telekinetic powers would have served more of a purpose then b/c the didn't have the fence to protect them.

I was wondering what the flash of light was when the were in the trees. At first I thought it was scanning them like it did with Eko, but I don't recall a big flash of light at that instance, although that was in the sun light and not the cloudy rain. But when the idea of telekinesis was brought up I thought it opened up another possibility.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers

Unfortunately I think that Juliet knows that smokey is KARMA or judgement. Thus far she's been able to hide from smokey and NOT be scanned. But in LB she was most definitely scanned. Her looking at smokey in defiance reminded me alot of Eko.

I like Juliet but I think she's gonna be one of the next to die.

In the "Moth" there was a Carrie moment when Charlie reaches out of the dirt after being caught in the cave-in.

I was wondering what the flash of light was when the were in the trees. At first I thought it was scanning them like it did with Eko, but I don't recall a big flash of light at that instance, although that was in the sun light and not the cloudy rain. But when the idea of telekinesis was brought up I thought it opened up another possibility.
So it could be kind of like Smokey getting a shock? It went up against a force or entity - Juliet - that didn't agree with him, thus the flashes..

So it could be kind of like Smokey getting a shock? It went up against a force or entity - Juliet - that didn't agree with him, thus the flashes..
That's my thought, exactly. If I wasn't clear in my original post, it's the moment that they're inside the tree and we see the flashes that I think may indicate that Juliet unleashed her power and drove Smokey away (whether purposefully or inadvertently I'm not sure, though I lean towards the latter). One reason I think her power is inadvertent is the way she kind of holds up an arm as if warding something off, rather than acting in a more aggressive fashion -- maybe this power manifests when she's under duress. Also, it would make sense that she later uses the fence (a known technology) to stop Smokey rather than relying on a potentially unreliable power. But I think her muddy Carrie "look" at that point in the episode is basically a "You want more of this?" warning to Smokey -- I don't think she's actually using her power at that point.

I think we got two earlier hints of her "power" during the episode -- her anticipation of Kate about to hit her with the pool cue, and her lightning-fast reaction to Kate taking her knife.

Also, for any of you that follow the "Whispers and Hidden Audio" thread, there's also a scene in the "Glass Ballerina" episode (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1222341&postcount=346) in which Juliet is talking to another Other at the worksite on the Hydra island, and the audio for the other Other (not audible with normal viewing) indicates surprise that Juliet can hear something in another room that she should not have been able to hear.

To take this a step further (perhaps too far?), I'd speculate that Mittelos/the Others didn't recruit Juliet purely for her work on field mice, but rather because of her "power". And I have this feeling that it was this telekinetic power that may have allowed her to manipulate the cells of a male field mouse to allow it to become impregnated in the first place...

Very nice, Tramp.. You were clear in your OP, I just clearly missed it.. :rolleyes:

Juliet was not only lightening fast in her reaction when Kate pulled the knife; she also used a lot of strength gripping her wrist.. You can see the marks immediately after..

I really like your last paragraph above, suggesting that the field mice may have actually been altered because of Juliet's powers (assuming she has powers).. This could also explain her ex-husband being plowed down with a bus. It was her secret wish, and it seems Juliet may have the ability to make those come true...

Very interesting! I must admit that when I saw Juliet all covered in mud I did think of that scene in Carrie (Carrie was the first and only movie that caused me to get stitches - I actually cut my head on the side of a movie seat when I jumped at a certain scary scene) I'm not quite sure that I will buy that she has special powers yet... but I wouldn't doubt that either. Her eyes were so blue..
Heh.. I hope I can sleep tonight now that I thought too much about Carrie..

Maybe Juliet has a form of telekinesis that allows her to move sound waves and so she had to activate the sonic fence in order for her power to repel smokie.

What if Mittelos didn't have anything to do with her ex being run over by a bus -- maybe she has other pyschic powers and caused that to happen without even realizing it.

Very nice, Tramp.. You were clear in your OP, I just clearly missed it.. :rolleyes:

Juliet was not only lightening fast in her reaction when Kate pulled the knife; she also used a lot of strength gripping her wrist.. You can see the marks immediately after..

I really like your last paragraph above, suggesting that the field mice may have actually been altered because of Juliet's powers (assuming she has powers).. This could also explain her ex-husband being plowed down with a bus. It was her secret wish, and it seems Juliet may have the ability to make those come true...

Yes, the bus scene jumped at me too as I was reading this thread. I, too, bet that it was she who caused the bus to run over her ex-husband. She envisioned it and it occured in the next second.

Oops. I must have missed ame en peine's post with the idea about the bus! And here I thought I came up with that on my own :biggrin:

The mud made me think of the move "Predator". The creature used heat sensing to find its prey, so Arnold covered himself in med to fool the creature. If you recall, the creature in Predator could camoflage itself to appear invisible.

I thought of Predator back in season 1 when they were in the cockpit and the monster grabbed the pilot. The trees shimmered the same way they did in the movie, as though the monster was wearing a Romulan cloaking device.

I know it's more than most are willing to stretch their imagination to, but on my Sewing Kit (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=66980) thread we've been talking for some time about how certain Losties have "powers" and how, within the show, these powers are associated with Colours.

Well, Juliet has long been considered a Blue there, which appears to be the power to heal and protect, so when I saw Juliet's Blue eyes that ame en peine brought up, it made perfect sense to me - she was somehow "shielding" her and Kate.

And great catch, ame, and thanks tramp for looking up the screencap.

If anyone's interested and hasn't seen it already, I'd recommend checking the Sewing Kit thread out ( even if I do say so myself :redface: ) - but there's no need to read through it all, just read Page 1 and some of the latter pages and you'll be ready to dive in.

Great thread...I can't belive I missed the similarities.

This could also explain her ex-husband being plowed down with a bus. It was her secret wish, and it seems Juliet may have the ability to make those come true...

I had completely forgotten about the bus! I think I just attributed it to Mittelos manipulating her, and didn't even consider the possibility that she might have made it happen herself. Especially since she had a motive -- her husband was essentially about to take her research and use it to boost his own reputation, at the cost of her sister's privacy. So it was another "defensive" use of her powers, if that's what it was. Great catch!

By the way, I should note that there may have been other indications of Juliet's ability to psychically anticipate actions: when she knocked Jack out in the Hydra fishtank flood, when she got the drop on Sawyer when he was trying to escape the worksite, and when she shot Pickett on the beach. None of these are definitive and certainly they may just point to lightning-quick reflexes, but they do suggest a pattern.

Second-ing Lucidity's (shameless! :biggrin: ) remarks about his Sewing Kit thread -- it makes for good reading, and I've become convinced that the use of certain colors at key moments in the show is not coincidental.

I thought of Predator back in season 1 when they were in the cockpit and the monster grabbed the pilot. The trees shimmered the same way they did in the movie, as though the monster was wearing a Romulan cloaking device. And the clicking sound... like mandibles.. very similar to Predator as well..

Well, Juliet has long been considered a Blue there, which appears to be the power to heal and protect, so when I saw Juliet's Blue eyes that ame en peine brought up, it made perfect sense to me - she was somehow "shielding" her and Kate.

And great catch, ame, and thanks tramp for looking up the screencap.
Thanks Lucidity... I love your Sewing Kit theory - it's really great. Very well put together.
By the way, I should note that there may have been other indications of Juliet's ability to psychically anticipate actions: when she knocked Jack out in the Hydra fishtank flood, when she got the drop on Sawyer when he was trying to escape the worksite, and when she shot Pickett on the beach. None of these are definitive and certainly they may just point to lightning-quick reflexes, but they do suggest a pattern. Good points Tramp.. (And Lucidity's allowed a shameless plug or two with all he contributes here.. :biggrin: )

ummm...this thread is going to get HUGE. No spoilers right now. But good eye tramp. Good eye.

ummm...this thread is going to get HUGE. No spoilers right now. But good eye tramp. Good eye.

I make it a point never to read spoilers, but now you've got me pretty interested! Are we talking about tonight's episode, or sometime down the road? If it's tonight, I can wait, but if it's something coming in a much later episode, I might just have to peek......

I think after tonight you will be pretty pleased with yourself...


actually my bad, I didn't realize that Carrie was revealed as the book they where discussing in TOTC...

I think after tonight you will be pretty pleased with yourself...


actually my bad, I didn't realize that Carrie was revealed as the book they where discussing in TOTC...

Yes, and Juliet said "it's my favorite book", so there was some discussion after that episode came out on the boards as to what significance that comment may have had. But given the lack of obvious hints/evidence until the most recent episode, I think the discussion has pretty much dropped.

So, I'm really looking forward to tonight's episode now!!

Very interesting! I must admit that when I saw Juliet all covered in mud I did think of that scene in Carrie (Carrie was the first and only movie that caused me to get stitches - I actually cut my head on the side of a movie seat when I jumped at a certain scary scene) I'm not quite sure that I will buy that she has special powers yet... but I wouldn't doubt that either. Her eyes were so blue..
Heh.. I hope I can sleep tonight now that I thought too much about Carrie..

Since you mentioned the movie - here's a fairly useless bit of trivia: parts of the movie were shot at Pacific Palisades High School (now known as Palisades Charter High School), which just happens to be the high school J.J. Abrams graduated from a couple of years later... :grin:

Since you mentioned the movie - here's a fairly useless bit of trivia: parts of the movie were shot at Pacific Palisades High School (now known as Palisades Charter High School), which just happens to be the high school J.J. Abrams graduated from a couple of years later... :grin:Cool - sounds like we have Six Degrees of Carrie now...

Since you brought up fairly useless movie trivia.. During the filming for the scene where the hand reaches up through the grave in the end, that could have been acted out by any extra or stunt person - it was just a hand. But Sissy Spacek, being the consummate actor, insisted upon doing it herself - she had to be buried to do the scene :eek2: . (Here's Brian DePalma talking about it (http://www.briandepalma.net/carrie/carrint.htm)..)

De Palma: "I said, 'Sissy, come on, I'll get a stunt person, what do you want, to be buried in the ground?!' She said, 'Brian, I have to do this.' So we had to bury her. Bury her! We had to put her in a box and stick her underneath the ground. Well, I had her husband bury her, because I certainly didn't want to bury her. I used to walk around and set up the shot and every once in a while, we'd hear Sissy: 'Are we ready yet?' 'Yeah, Sissy, we're gonna be ready real soon.' "

Great thread.

It made me re-watch the force field scene and it definitely could be as you say - Juliet fighting the monster. I used to think Occam's Razor applied to Lost, but now I know it's really safer to assume the opposite :) Especially since the choice between super-force-head-asplode-fence and telekinesis is not that different...

Anyhow, if you are correct, than Juliet should make friends with a Lostie girl and then kill her baby just before dying. What a pleasant thought.... does this mean Kate could be pregnant with Sawyer's baby? Else that leaves... Sun?

Anyhow, if you are correct, than Juliet should make friends with a Lostie girl and then kill her baby just before dying. What a pleasant thought.... does this mean Kate could be pregnant with Sawyer's baby? Else that leaves... Sun?

And have Jack deliver it???That would be so the Bold and the Beautiful!