Did I miss a post or has no one mentioned that Mikaels alive?
Since the fence was not turned on that means he wasnt zapped, and remember how Kate was looking at him weird when she got over?
it was a hint, I'm not crazy after all!

(I dont know how to put a spoiler thing on but I got something to say about something)

Perhaps the Other's turned if off when they ran out of the village? His head exploding looked real enough to me...

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Did I miss a post or has no one mentioned that Mikaels alive?
Since the fence was not turned on that means he wasnt zapped, and remember how Kate was looking at him weird when she got over?
it was a hint, I'm not crazy after all!

(I dont know how to put a spoiler thing on but I got something to say about something)

I don't know. People can't just fake bleeding from the ears and frothing at the mouth.

Did I miss a post or has no one mentioned that Mikaels alive?
Since the fence was not turned on that means he wasnt zapped, and remember how Kate was looking at him weird when she got over?
it was a hint, I'm not crazy after all!

(I dont know how to put a spoiler thing on but I got something to say about something)

Damon and Carlton mentioned this in the official pocast
That we may see either Ms Klugh or Mikhael again

Damon and Carlton mentioned this in the official pocast
That we may see either Ms Klugh or Mikhael again

Thats what I was gonna say =)
Mikaels head didn't explode or anything, he just shook and foamed at the mouth, maybe blood came out his ears (I dont remember) but it was stuff that could've been possibly faked, maybe he had a pill? I dont know but it seemed to mean something when kate looked at him after she made it over the fence, it looked like she was thinking something or had noticed something

We'll very likely be seeing Mikhail and Klugh ins flashbacks. I think the fence was turned off when The Others left so they could get out and they didn't bother turning it back on because there was no need anymore.

They're obviously scared of the smoke monster and wouldn't leave the security system turned off because they know it'd probably come in looking for them.

what about that when the smoke monster hit it acted as if is was a wall that it ran into?
how could Mikael have made it through?
and i dont think its flashbacks (see above spoilers)

I think it will be in spoilers that we see MIkhail and Mrs. Klugh because Darlton have said many times 'that dead on the island is dead'. Also in recent spoilers from Darlton we knew that we would see Boone and Shannon

We'll very likely be seeing Mikhail and Klugh ins flashbacks. I think the fence was turned off when The Others left so they could get out and they didn't bother turning it back on because there was no need anymore.

Agreed. While the foaming in the mouth is rather easily faked, blood spurting out of the ears requires some fancy makeup/special effects.

What looks suspicious to me is how long the fence took to activate when Mikhail "stepped" into the barrier. There's quite a long pause between the first high pitched sounds after he enters the gap between the pylons and the deeper sound that the fence emits when it fries Mikhail. But that could also just as well be a dramatic pause to allow Mikhail to say "thank you" before getting killed. Technically, it makes no sense at all that the fence takes that long to activate as Mikhail could easily have used the time to simply get to the "other" side (in fact, he stopped and turned around, so as to purposely get fried). Also, that pause was gone in "Left Behind".

Anyway, looking forward to see more guest performances of Andrew Divoff, even if it's only in flashbacks :biggrin:

They might come back in flashbacks but I have no doubt that MIkhail is dead.

Just because the fence was off when Kate and Juliet came upon it doesn't mean it was off when the Sayid, Locke et al came upon it. If the Others left the area it seems pretty obvious that they would leave the fence off, how would they even turn it back on after they've gone through it? The control is on the inside.


If the Others didn't turn the fence off when they left the Juilet almost certainly did when she dragged Kate out into the jungle.

MIkhail's dead, Klugh's dead, she was shot to death in front of them. If they come back it will be in flashbacks. To fake both of their deaths would have taken so much staging and elaborate foresight. I think Occam's Razor applies here.

See now i thought juliette turned the fence off and let them threw and then turned it back on.

Agreed. While the foaming in the mouth is rather easily faked, blood spurting out of the ears requires some fancy makeup/special effects.

What looks suspicious to me is how long the fence took to activate when Mikhail "stepped" into the barrier. There's quite a long pause between the first high pitched sounds after he enters the gap between the pylons and the deeper sound that the fence emits when it fries Mikhail. But that could also just as well be a dramatic pause to allow Mikhail to say "thank you" before getting killed. Technically, it makes no sense at all that the fence takes that long to activate as Mikhail could easily have used the time to simply get to the "other" side (in fact, he stopped and turned around, so as to purposely get fried). Also, that pause was gone in "Left Behind".

Anyway, looking forward to see more guest performances of Andrew Divoff, even if it's only in flashbacks :biggrin:


Perhaps after a while it goes into an energy saving mode and lowers the power until something activates it. Kind of like your computer going black or to screen saver and it takes a moment to hit full power so he was caught but not killed right away. When Juliet turned it on it jumped to full power but if left on and nothing tries to cross it would go back to power saver mode.

Okay but if they are dead then doesn't that mean that John Locke has killed two people and wouldn't that put him on the same level with Kate and Sayid? Why did he get to go with the others? I thought that Kate coudn't go with them because of "what she did" namely killing someone.

what about that when the smoke monster hit it acted as if is was a wall that it ran into?
how could Mikael have made it through?
and i dont think its flashbacks (see above spoilers)
Smokie is not flesh and bone like a human. Sound waves may have very different effects on them. There is a reason they built a sonic fence and not an electrified or tesla based fence to keep Cerberus off.
And the fence was ON when Patchy crossed it. You could even hear the weird sound it made. The Others turned it off before leaving to be able to cross the fence and didn't turned it back on because the access panel was on the inside. Juliet assumed it was off because Kate told her they had LEFT.

Did I miss a post or has no one mentioned that Mikaels alive?
Since the fence was not turned on that means he wasnt zapped, and remember how Kate was looking at him weird when she got over?
it was a hint, I'm not crazy after all!

(I dont know how to put a spoiler thing on but I got something to say about something)

Wow. Just wow.
The fence wasnt on when Kate and Juliet encountered it.
Unless hes a zombie, we are only going to see Mikhail in a FB.
Sorry, you're crazy.

I'm going to say Mikael is dead. We may see him again, but I am thinking in fb mode. He could possibly fake the foaming at the mouth and all but I am a true believer he is dead. I will be utterly shocked if he is not. Trust me I can be dead wrong....you really never know with this show.

just to spoil a couple hopes and dreams:

THTB have already alluded to the fact that the fence wasnt at full power when Mikhail passed through and the possibilities of those who control it, upping its strength for various reasons

P.Stone

Okay but if they are dead then doesn't that mean that John Locke has killed two people and wouldn't that put him on the same level with Kate and Sayid? Why did he get to go with the others? I thought that Kate coudn't go with them because of "what she did" namely killing someone.

Thats an excellent point

but I think it illustrates something we should already know

and that is the others idea of good is insanely warped. They are murderers, kidnappers, and torturers so we cant apply logic to the law code. They have a law code(they didnt kill Jack and sayid etc etc
But its not based on a reason or morality as we know it.

yeah, patchy is definitely coming back. Andrew Divoff is credited for "one of us".

as for the foaming of the mouth and the bleeding through the ears...maybe it was stage makeup?

yes but ...him coming back could just be a flashback...wouldn't be the first time

Okay but if they are dead then doesn't that mean that John Locke has killed two people and wouldn't that put him on the same level with Kate and Sayid? Why did he get to go with the others? I thought that Kate coudn't go with them because of "what she did" namely killing someone.

Good point! I don't know. Maybe the bad thing Kate did that they told Locke was being a bad girl with Sawyer. (I doubt this). Maybe her bad thing hasn't been show to us. She did have something to do with the death of her childhood boyfriend doctor. And that was for her selfishness (to see her mom).

btw, who's the other person Locke killed. I can only remember Mikeal.

I just rewatched Mikhail's death scene and this what I feel is noteworthy after having seen "Left Behind":

- The fence takes forever to activate, as I explained before in this thread, very much unlike in "Left Behind". The specific time span between the first high pitched sounds after Mikhail enters the gap between the pylons and the deeper sounds that the fence emits while killing him is 4 - 5 seconds. It was mentioned that this might have been a kind of stand-by/power-safe mode, but if implemented specifically that way, it would pretty much defeat the purpose of the fence, because a subject could easily cross the barrier unharmed in that much time. As said, this might just be a dramatic pause, but the high pitched sounds that the fence makes in this moment also differ a lot from those it made when beeing armed by Juliet in "Left Behind". In that episode there is even a low hum that st

- Mikhail is actually past the barrier when he gets fried. There is a shot of the camera circling Mikhail while he's beeing fried and at the beginning of it, you can clearly see that he is a few feet past the pylons. This might just have been an inaccurancy, but why make it so obvious then? They could have cut out the first few frames of that shot easily if they wanted to.

- Mikhail jumps/twitches/is thown several feet to inside of the perimeter once the fence is done with him -> it is highly unlikely that any the sonic waves could do that, but brain damage caused by the fence might have resulted in involuntary muscle contractions. Still it's convenient, because that way they can't/won't examine if he's really dead. Then again, they could have done that after climbing over the fence.

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So let's get this straight: Patchy is shoved towards the fence by Locke -> he voluntarily stops right on the border (or actually a bit past it) -> he turns around to face the Losties -> he takes time to say his last words -> he finally get's fried by the fence

Comparing that scene to the one with Smokey from "Left Behind":
Smokey approaches the fence -> the fence activates in the second it tries to enter the gap between two pylons and repells it

As mentioned, Damon and Carlton talk about Mikhail's death scene in the march 20th podcast (position 20:05), but of course they keep it rather vague. Here's a transcript of the section:

Carlton: ... Who's to say that the sonic fence was turned up full volume when it hit Mikhail. Maybe if the sonic fence was at an even more intense level, it would have fried Mikhail right when he went through. That's why I don't think he's dead, because ... had it ... in my belief had the sonic fence been on the full, Mikhail had gone through there, he would have instantly been *snip* pulverized.
Damon: Well, if he's not dead, I'm gonna stay tuned, 'cause I already mentioned that I like that guy.

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So there we have Darlton's answer. It's up to you what to think, I believe now that Mikhail's death was a stage up.


Patchy is probably enjoying his vodka at the Other's beach bar near the Hydra as we speak :biggrin:

yes but ...him coming back could just be a flashback...wouldn't be the first time


yeah that's true. i hope he is coming back cause Divoff's hott!

One of Them looks set to be a on-island Juliet flashback, it wouldn't suprise me to see almost all of The Others at some stage...

As for Mikhail being alive, I don't know, he looked pretty dead with the blood-spurting and frothing at the mouth, the sound effect was pretty intense too, I think that scene was supposed to give us a glimpse of the Sonic Fence of Death's power....

I'm voting dead, dead like The Pilot, dead like Nina & Pablo, dead like Christian Shephard.

You can always fall back on this...

Unexplained stuff on LOST?

Well that's D.D.F*

Definitely Desmond's Fault.

The fact that Mikael went through the "fence" and had enough time to stop, turn around and say a few words before being fried would seem to imply that if he ran through it a full tilt... and didn't stop running, he could be 40-50 yards inside the perimeter before the force kicks in. Not a very effective perimeter. I would expect him to be "bug-zapped" immediately at the moment he is between two pylons.

I have a pet theory about Mikhail being a professionally trained mime artist, in case anyone is interested.

Well???

That russian guy is definetly dead. He had a deathwish. He wanted Sayid to kill him earlier but Sayid did not. I'm sure the russian guy was happy that Locke killed him. He even thanked him. I believe the Russian was glad to die because he "failed" his mission at the FLame station and the punishment from the Others was prolly far worse than death.

It was probably a production error, but when Kate leaned over Mikhail in that episode, I saw his chest moving. I suspect like most of the posters have posited, that we will see him again through flashbacks. 'Tis a shame - I liked him!

Mikhail is definately not dead!:cool:

I think he's a goner! I don't see the purpose in why the writers would want him to be alive. Is he that important? I'm not saying I'm not open to the suggestion that he is still alive but unless I can think of a theory why he would fake his death I say he's dead as a doorknob!

AHA! I wasn't crazy!! he is alive
(note this is being posted after watching d.o.c. and just wanted to say i told you so) :)

I can only salute with a hearty "MWAAHAA" and add an obnoxious "I told y'all!" :biggrin:

No, seriously, congrats on a good theory. The question is now only ... how specifically did Mikhail survive it?

The island's healing powers...wasn't that obvious from what he said?? :)

Considering that there are several long threads in D.O.C.'s sub-forum discussing Mikhail's reappearance, it apparently isn't. Although I'm going myself with this theory, it's still just a theory.

Yes you have a point...it's just that he said something about the healing on this island and had that funny look as he looked at Des...seemed pretty obvious that he wasn't dead and that the island healed him...