Here's a thought-

What if Jack is really the spy for the Others and not Julliette? All of the focus will be on her being the spy in camp and not him.

or option 2 and they are working together?

I'm going to say no. It's much more logical that Jack just wants to go home now, home to the beach. Juliet is in the same position, having been ousted. Locke is the big betrayer.

I definitely agree that Locke is a betrayer, but not the only one.

I thought the same thing, that everyone will focus on Juliet being this outsider that they wouldn't even realise that Jack was betraying them all (possibly making a new list or something)

I would be disappointed if the producers played the ol' "traitor within our mists" card again. Please be original.

As for Locke ... who knows with him but this appears to be the start of the story arc to end the season.

Interesting thought, but I don't think Jack's the 'spy' type. Too much heart on his sleeve. I say it's interesting, though, because we never got a good resolution to the 'Jack tossing the football' scene. I guess you could say that we got resolution - Jack was expecting them to send him home - but it wasn't a good resolution because it didn't address the ease Jack was clearly at with his former enemies. Even with Ben - "You don't owe me anything...". Besides your life, Ben, no. We were clearly set up to think that Jack had joined them somehow, that they had done something to him or won him over in some way.

To put it another way, they haven't explained the spike. When Jack spiked the pigskin, we saw a man we'd never seen before. Gone was uptight, responsible, commited, leader-man Jack. We saw a man relaxed, a man at ease, a man in a playful mood for the first time in months. Yeah, maybe the thought of going home releases a few endorphins, but I would think he'd at least have been a lot warier.

By the way, I don't see Locke as having 'betrayed' anyone. (At least not yet.) He chose a different path. He hasn't acted to harm the other 815ers and has even advocated for them. His actions may not be admirable (though we don't fully understand them yet), but 'betrayal' is too strong a word, in my opinion.

Interesting thought, but I don't think Jack's the 'spy' type. Too much heart on his sleeve. I say it's interesting, though, because we never got a good resolution to the 'Jack tossing the football' scene. I guess you could say that we got resolution - Jack was expecting them to send him home - but it wasn't a good resolution because it didn't address the ease Jack was clearly at with his former enemies. Even with Ben - "You don't owe me anything...". Besides your life, Ben, no. We were clearly set up to think that Jack had joined them somehow, that they had done something to him or won him over in some way.

To put it another way, they haven't explained the spike. When Jack spiked the pigskin, we saw a man we'd never seen before. Gone was uptight, responsible, commited, leader-man Jack. We saw a man relaxed, a man at ease, a man in a playful mood for the first time in months. Yeah, maybe the thought of going home releases a few endorphins, but I would think he'd at least have been a lot warier.

By the way, I don't see Locke as having 'betrayed' anyone. (At least not yet.) He chose a different path. He hasn't acted to harm the other 815ers and has even advocated for them. His actions may not be admirable (though we don't fully understand them yet), but 'betrayal' is too strong a word, in my opinion.

As you said about Locke "not yet." I have a feeling it is coming. Maybe in the last episode of the season.

Interesting thought, but I don't think Jack's the 'spy' type. Too much heart on his sleeve. .
Exactly ,too much emotional bonding on his side!Not the mole type!He d cry a river before having to tell a lie and one more right after!jack is the man!

By the way, I don't see Locke as having 'betrayed' anyone. (At least not yet.) He chose a different path. He hasn't acted to harm the other 815ers and has even advocated for them. His actions may not be admirable (though we don't fully understand them yet), but 'betrayal' is too strong a word, in my opinion.


I think the same way, Locke chose something else. He has nothing left to give to the Losties on the beach. Now he has to fullfill his own path. He has to discover what The Island has to offer. To do that he has to co-oparate with The Others. Maybe he is doing all this for Greater good?

So therefor Locke didnt betray them. After all Everything happens for a reason.

On Jack being a spy: For what? I mean what can Others want from Jack. Jack is honest, Jack is Justice and Jack is fair. Not the type to pick as a spy. And if he will turn out to be a Spy, then that would be a really cheesy storyline.

Jack is the only guy I can trust with my eyes close on that Island. And can hand him my life.

i put this idea into another thread and i think
it is worth repeating here.

jack is a "double mole".

remember that in "alias" the lead character
is a double agent in the story.

so if the same character type is repeated,
then we have - once again - the lead
character being a double agent, or in
our case, a double mole.

dr. j. is pretty smart. i think that while
he was sitting in the hydra station
he had a chance to think things through.

when blondie showed him the cards
during the video, he knew that he
could play her against ben.

remember what his tatoo says
and that he is "not one of them."
( " that's what it says, but that's not
what it means. )

so in my view, dr. j. is playing all the sides
he can and is playing it cool. he wants to
get off the island and by playing
all sides, he might be able to accomplish that.

I think it's safe to say that there is a traitor, somewhere. I would be really happy if it's dealt with in a way different from Ethan and Goodwin. I don't think another person working for Ben would be that exciting or that shocking. Maybe there could be a mole from the other Others?? Maybe the mole is working against their will, either for Ben, or maybe directly for Jacob?? Maybe, like Alias, there is a double agent??

I really like the idea of Juliet not being a spy, but that Ben intentionally set her up to go the beach just to attract attention, so that the real spy could stay undetected. This would answer IMO the biggest question from Left Behind; Juliet apparently wasn't gassed, but at the same time Ben really did leave her behind. Why?? This way Juliet may or may not be conspiring with Ben; it doesn't matter.

when blondie showed him the cards
during the video, he knew that he
could play her against ben.

Do you all know that the Juliet's flashcard video was filmed in her house in Otherville, and in it she's wearing the same clothes she wore in ATOTC?? The implication is that she made the video before going to The Hydra, and probably on the same day 815 crashed. I don't know exactly what I'm getting at here, I just want to point out how little we understand The Others' plans. Their deception we've seen so far has only been the tip of the iceberg.

I would be disappointed if the producers played the ol' "traitor within our mists" card again. Please be original.

As for Locke ... who knows with him but this appears to be the start of the story arc to end the season.

A) It wouldn't be the first time... The whole repeating, "Will Sawyer Die?" and "Is Charlie Using Again?" themes were pretty unoriginal, lifeless, and repetitive. If Jack becoming a traitor is the big "twist" for this season, I really don't think I'll be watching anymore. I hate to be one of those fans who cry foul and claim to stop watching if something undesirable happens, but seriously... Jack becoming a traitor to the Losties would be the worst and most nonsensical character twist yet. After watching Kate & Sawyer together on that monitor, he still put his life on the line to save theirs. It just wouldn't make any sense to have him magically turn against them.

B) Yes, I agree - Locke will be the cliffhanger, they left us with Cooper materializing out of thin air (so to speak) and showed a quick, mysterious scene with Locke telling Kate "Goodbye... [I put in a good word for you]." I'm very curious to see what will happen with Locke in the season finale.

Maybe not magically - maybe theyve brainwashed him with Room 23. Although that was on the other island.....unless they have something else?

i like this idea. based on what juliet says about how Ben likes "mind games", it would make more sense to me to see that it is he who is the spy and not Juliet. I just dont think that Ben would be willing to abandon Jack like that. Juliet - perhaps. After all, she's just killed one of them. But Jack has not.

guys,listen..i was just watching a french flick where Kubricks ''The shining' 'was mentioned and an evil scary bunny was portraying jack yelling ''heeere comes Johnny ''in a funny accent!!!!Well,i just had an epiphany!!!what if Jack is named jack due to the change hes about to undergo!!!we already know that were gonna find something shocking about him by the end oF season 3We also are fully aware of his altered behavior and weird tactics as of late!!!!!So just like Jack(Jack nicholson)got mad in the evil mansion and became someone else,jack Shephard lost himself in the island ,becoming a diffferent person too!!!HEEEEEEEERE COMES JOHNNYYYY

A) It wouldn't be the first time... The whole repeating, "Will Sawyer Die?" and "Is Charlie Using Again?" themes were pretty unoriginal, lifeless, and repetitive. If Jack becoming a traitor is the big "twist" for this season, I really don't think I'll be watching anymore. I hate to be one of those fans who cry foul and claim to stop watching if something undesirable happens, but seriously... Jack becoming a traitor to the Losties would be the worst and most nonsensical character twist yet. After watching Kate & Sawyer together on that monitor, he still put his life on the line to save theirs. It just wouldn't make any sense to have him magically turn against them.

Really?? You think it would be easy way out?? After the football scene in Par Avion, and everyone was saying "Jack has to be brainwashed, or maybe it's a clone, I just know Jack wouldn't betray us like that", I thought it would be a cop out to have it turn out that Jack really was the same old loyal Jack.

I agree that Charlie's drug use did get waayyy played out, but Jack is a different case. Unless I'm missing something, prior to him being captured it had never even been suggested that he might be a traitor. For that matter, it's never happened to any 815er, except for that stuff about Nikki and Paulo which turned out to be wrong.

Isn't it unacceptable for him not to change after being imprisoned (and apparently developing Stockholm syndrome to boot)??

I agree that Charlie's drug use did get waayyy played out, but Jack is a different case. Unless I'm missing something, prior to him being captured it had never even been suggested that he might be a traitor.

I was referring to the general "traitor within our midst" theme, citing Damian254. I wasn't referring specifically to "Jack as a traitor" being a played-out suggestion (especially since it's relatively new). :) And as you pointed out, everyone thought Nikki & Paolo were traitors/moles, only to be wrong - the overall "Traitor or not?" theme is starting to get stale, much like Charlie's drug use last season.

I'm just really opposed to the idea of Jack becoming a traitor I suppose. As I said above, it defies all we've seen about his character's personality.

Michael had a reason: his son. Many of Michael's flashbacks demonstrated the loss he felt when his son was taken from him and he felt powerless to stop it. I didn't like that Michael betrayed the Losties, but I feel he will somehow redeem himself by helping them in some way (if possible... double murder's a tough one!)

What reason does Jack have, other than going home, which is no longer possible (or at least we're led to believe)? Yes, he originally made a deal with the Others in exchange to leave, but as Locke noted, "Its Jack... if he's shaking hands with them, I'm sure he has a good reason." Plus he whispered to Kate, "I only trusted them when you asked me to, in order to save Sawyer's life...it's our best shot at getting rescued... I'll come back for you."

As Jack's father noted, "commitment is what makes you tick." This is a man who began a blood transfusion on a dying Boone, using his OWN blood!

The man has a steel will, despite his flaws. I think it would take more than 80-odd days to break him; hell, Juliet's lasted 3 years!

Jack abandoning/betraying/forgetting everyone else? I just don't see it.


Sorry if those are misquotes!