Why leave Jack and Sayid in the Others camp, but drag Kate and Juliet out into the woods handcuffed together? Why not just have them all wake up at Othersville? Just a lame plot device for some girly smack down / Smokey action apparently.

How did the key to the handcuffs get into Juliets pocket? Did I miss something about her not wanting to be left alone? That wasn't explained very well.

Why was Juliet lying about never hearing the Monster before, then changes her tune the next day? Does this mean she's lying as well when she said they didn't know what "it" was?

If the sonic fence is only 8 feet high or so, why can't Smokey just go over the top like Kate figured out?

Why leave Jack and Sayid in the Others camp, but drag Kate and Juliet out into the woods handcuffed together? Why not just have them all wake up at Othersville? Just a lame plot device for some girly smack down / Smokey action apparently. Nope, the Others needed to distract Smokey away from where they were going and Kate/Juliet provided a perfect distraction

How did the key to the handcuffs get into Juliets pocket? Did I miss something about her not wanting to be left alone? That wasn't explained very well. she had it with her all along, she just didn't tell Kate. She wanted kate to think that she had also been abandoned so they could "bond"

Why was Juliet lying about never hearing the Monster before, then changes her tune the next day? Does this mean she's lying as well when she said they didn't know what "it" was? She lying and she states that she had never seen the monster before and probably didn't know what it really was. When she finally sees this thing she figures I better come clean with Kate now since she obviously has had some experience with this before.

If the sonic fence is only 8 feet high or so, why can't Smokey just go over the top like Kate figured out?My neighbor has an invisible, electric fence for his dog. If the dog was smart he would figure out that the fence only goes up a few feet or so and jump over it. My guess is that Smokey is not all that bright. It gets stung by the fence and then decides to simply go somewhere else.

I guess those anwsers are as good as any, but you really have to strectch to connect some of those dots IMHO

Just a lame plot device for some girly smack down / Smokey action apparently.

Was it just me, or was there a suspicious amount of girl-on-girl mudfighting / wet t-shirt action going on last night?

Not that I'm complaining mind you, just thought it was odd:).

Why leave Jack and Sayid in the Others camp, but drag Kate and Juliet out into the woods handcuffed together? Why not just have them all wake up at Othersville? Just a lame plot device for some girly smack down / Smokey action apparently.

How did the key to the handcuffs get into Juliets pocket? Did I miss something about her not wanting to be left alone? That wasn't explained very well.
My thought was that Juliet, finding herself in the jungle with an unconscious Kate, handcuffed them together for exactly the reason she stated. Kind of a lame plot device, yeah, but there was an explanation given. Juliet's had indoor plumbing for as long as she's been on the island, she hasn't even been through the crucible the 815ers have. I also think part of the point of the 'B' plot was to say that if even Sawyer couldn't survive on his own, and knows it, Juliet certainly couldn't.


If the sonic fence is only 8 feet high or so, why can't Smokey just go over the top like Kate figured out?
That is a good question, I wondered the same thing last night. Maybe the monster isn't as smart as Kate. :shrug:

My thought was that Juliet, finding herself in the jungle with an unconscious Kate, handcuffed them together for exactly the reason she stated.

Where exactly was she keeping this set of handcuffs she was packing "just in case she was stuck in the woods and needed to bond with someone"? In her bra?

I took what Juliet said as a bit more detailed... not that the Others dragged them out there (didn't do the same with Jack and Sayid), but that perhaps SHE had been the one to drag Kate out there, and then do the handcuffing.

It would make it more plausible that Juliet was also left behind if they were handcuffed together somewhere OTHER than in the barracks. Just my thought.

I took what Juliet said as a bit more detailed... not that the Others dragged them out there (didn't do the same with Jack and Sayid), but that perhaps SHE had been the one to drag Kate out there, and then do the handcuffing.

It would make it more plausible that Juliet was also left behind if they were handcuffed together somewhere OTHER than in the barracks. Just my thought.
That's kind of what I was thinking, too. After all, Juliet wakes up pretty quickly after Kate opens her knife. Also, the Others don't leave trails (as emphasized by Sayid at the end: It's like 50 people just disappeared."), but there was a trail to follow. I think that Juliet did it, and maybe we'll learn more about it in next week's episode.

It seems to me Juliette hand cuffed herself to Kate for a couple of reasons.
One to make sure Kate made it back to the camp to get Jack with her. I have no doubt that Juliette would have been able to find her way back all by herself.
Second to make sure Jack didn't waste time looking for Kate.That they headed right back to the beach.

If that is true, then why not leave Kate and Juliette at the camp with Jack? They all would have woke up and found each other a whole lot easier.
I don't bring Syaid in to it because right now because I feel that he was just there and not a key player in what ever Juliettes plan is.

it just doesnt make sense. i would say that she did it so kate would have no choice but bring her back to the beach and thats why she was telling kate that she broke jack's heart, hoping that they would just go to the beach, but that would mean that someone was helping her out by handcuffing those two together and giving her the key. which just leads me to believe that juliette is a plant. everything was just too convenient. plus, she still was lying and playing mind games, why should kate trust her. ok, she claims that she didnt know what the monster was, oh but wait, no they know about. claims she had no choice but to be handcuffed to kate. oh but wait, she had the key. and how did she know exactly where jack and sayid were? that means they were gassed before her. and she has to have some type of inkling to where they went.

Where exactly was she keeping this set of handcuffs she was packing "just in case she was stuck in the woods and needed to bond with someone"? In her bra?

My thoughts exactly. The whole "I just wanted to bond with you" thing reeks.

I love Juliet more than Kate. However, I think you guys are overlooking that she lied. I don't think she was smoked into unconsciousness like Sayid, Kate and Jack. I don't think that Juliet would have been able to carry Kate into the jungle by herself. I think she needed help. I also don't believe that the others would have dumped them in the same proximity. Kate could have been a good enough distraction for smokey.

I think Juliet is still an other and Sayid -- the human polygrah -- knows it.

Where exactly was she keeping this set of handcuffs she was packing "just in case she was stuck in the woods and needed to bond with someone"? In her bra?
They could have still been on Kate.

I think Juliet is still an other and Sayid -- the human polygrah -- knows it.
Certainly possible.

They could have still been on Kate.

So Juliet packs a key around "just in case"? The logic STILL fails.

I doubt Juliette was ever gased in the first place. I believe she was left with Kate on purpose. I think the hand cuffs were nothing more then to stop Kate from ditching her from the get go. Which is why she had the key. She needed to keep Kate with her long enough to get her back to camp.

There is a reason why they ALL had to head back to the beach together. I just have no idea what it is..

What I'm totally confused on is why not have them all wake up at the camp?

If they were suppose to be a smokey decoy, that was a pretty dangerous spot to put Juliette in.But who knows, it could have been a risk she was willing to take for what ever the Others plan is.

They couldn't leave just Kate in the jungle as a decoy. She could have headed off in the wrong direction.Maybe trying to head back to the beach alone.

Jack I guess is just to im[potant to risk, so they left him at the camp. Now syaid that is a complete mystery to me. As far as the others were concerned. He seemed to be the least important person there. so why not leave him int he jungle?

how did she know exactly where jack and sayid were?

Jack was in his bungalow, where he is monitored nightly, and Sayid was still locked up in the playground where he had been since he was captured. Of course she'd know where they were. Look where you knew them to be last.

That was strange that Juliet had the key. I agree that she probably handcuffed herself to Kate to get into her mind. I don't think she is a plant, though. I think she was genuinely left behind. She was marked after all. This may be why everyone gasped at her hearing when Ben said she was going to be marked. They knew that meant she was going to be cut loose.

However, I don't think she was lying about never hearing or seeing smokey before. She really looked terrified. She had heard about him, and that it what she admitted to Kate.

I think Juliet wasn't gassed - she and some of the others placed Kate in the jungle, and then handcuffed herself to Kate. That way, she could convince Kate that she was left behind, as well, and try to earn her trust. Juliet needed to earn Kate's trust so that at the moment when Sayid says "she's not coming with us", Kate will stick up for Juliet (or at least not demand that they leave her). Whether or not the plan worked perfectly is debatable, but this was a way for Juliet to further infiltrate the losties (whom she will eventually turn on, I feel).

it just doesnt make sense. i would say that she did it so kate would have no choice but bring her back to the beach and thats why she was telling kate that she broke jack's heart, hoping that they would just go to the beach, but that would mean that someone was helping her out by handcuffing those two together and giving her the key. which just leads me to believe that juliette is a plant. everything was just too convenient. plus, she still was lying and playing mind games, why should kate trust her. ok, she claims that she didnt know what the monster was, oh but wait, no they know about. claims she had no choice but to be handcuffed to kate. oh but wait, she had the key. and how did she know exactly where jack and sayid were? that means they were gassed before her. and she has to have some type of inkling to where they went.

This is the most logical in terms of making sense...Juliet was willingly cuffed to Kate and faked being gassed to assure that Kate would return to the beach with her once she woke up. That's why they were sperated from Sayid and Jack. That's why Juliet tried to persuade Kate not to return to Othersville looking for Jack, telling Kate that it was a waste of time going back for him. The cuffs were the same ones Kate had on in the game room, that's why Juliet had the key. Juliet feigned being scared by the Monster to fool Kate. The sonic fence was left off so Jack and Sayid could return to the beach when they woke up.

Juliets plan was screwed once Kate decided that she in fact was going back for Jack, come hell or hight water (not to mention illogically, since Kate screwed things up the first time she attempted that) and with her shoulder being dislocated, was in no shape to stop her. Now her plan in awry, her story had to change. Running into the Monser a second time, Juliet now admits that she we indeed aware of the Monster, and she is forced to produce the key to unlock the handcuffs so that she can activate the security fence to save them from Smokey.

Jack and Sayid are still knocked out because there is no proof that they were gassed at the same time as Kate.

The problem with this scenario is that it makes little sense. Why would Juliet be so desperate to return with Kate to the beach? Without Jack to vouch for her, she would be seen as the enemy and treated with contempt and scrutiny and possibly violence.

Kate has trapped Juliet into admitting numerous lies since they have been together, so Juliets credibility has been shredded. Juliet expressed no desire to find out Jacks well being either.

If Benn truly left the two women together as a "mind game"...why leave the key?

Will Juliet live to see another day ? (returning her to the beach would mean answers, and that is never allowed to happen on LOST)

If she turns out to be some sort of spy for the Others, that will be pathetically predictible.

Juliet was part of Ben's mind-games. She had to play along. In the moment of despair, when Smokey was chasing them, she had to abandon suit (unlock handcuffs with the keys, tell Kate she is familiar with smokey, and so forth).

Otherwise, it seems vibrantly likely that Juliet did all of that to show Kate that she is in the same position as her and is an outcast/not affiliated with the other any longer. Of course, once Juliet and Kate's lives were in danger, she had to abandon suit (same case as above). This is my personal stance as Juliet's banishment is sensible and has been made clear in past episodes (especially the episode I urk to remember - SIASL)

Makes sense to me. :D