whaaat? why won't Jack let Sayid ask her questions???

whaaat? why won't Jack let Sayid ask her questions???

I think he will eventually... he's just being protective of her. That's going to cause a LOT of discontent among the other Losties... they are all going to have questions they want answered. I think they're setting us for a Jack/Sayid split.

That line just sounded fishy to me!

Jack annoyed me in that scene with his assumption that what he says goes, and that Sayid better not do anything to Juliet "or else". At least it came across that way- almost like a threat. Who exactly does Jack think he is?

I was only disappointed that Sayid didn't challenge Jack on the point.

I was only disappointed that Sayid didn't challenge Jack on the point.


I'm sure it's coming! :drowsy:

Jack needs to be whopped upside the head. Where is that dude coming from?

I think Jack is being pretty naive. He finds attachments with people (like Sarah) and then doesn't see who they really are or what is really happening. In his defense though, Juliet is an excellent liar. I know she's lying and still want to trust her!

I agree that the arrogance that Jack showed in that scene made me really not like him. Who does he think he is? I see a parallel with Ben in that scene. " What I say goes. End of discussion."

Jack is my favorite character, but even I winced a bit when I heard that line. I suppose he felt he needed to be aggressive about defending Juliet given Sayid's history (remember Sayid deceiving Jack in order to torture Ben), but still, he did come across as a little too big for his britches with that one.

Agreed. I couldn't help but think that being under Jack's "protection" doesn't mean much when your opposition is FREAKIN SAYID.

I loved Sayid's "Have you been compromised too, Jack?" look. ;)

My husband and I said at the time that in a Sayid vs Jack battle, Jack's butt will definitely be kicked! :biggrin: I don't think either Kate or Sayid trust Jack at the moment but are at a loss as to what to do.

Jack used to be my favorite character until I went back and watched the entire lost series last weekend and began to notice this really GLARING "damsel in distress" flaw they have given him. Get Jack a girl with a pretty face and a crisis she's needing a hero on and he's sucked in hook line and sinker WHICH to me is all about an ego feed, which is a very weak character flaw to give the lead "hero" guy. So, when I started seeing that as a constant theme of his character, it really began to turn me off from liking him or even caring about his character or his storyline anymore. It creates disrespect for his character, that and it's just getting old.

I also liked how jack thought the fact that he trusted her should be enough for everyone there. that is real arrogance right there.
sayid and sawyer were the smart ones in this ep. sayid said he wont torture her, maybe he means it this time. either way tho, jack is just plain dumb. and i would love to see him and sayid (or sawyer) come to blows. either way he would most likly lose. (after a good fight tho)

Jack is SUCH a tool.

Hope Sayid & James bounce back fast from Juliet's little mind game with them. I just don't see them as easily snookered. And SOMEONE has got to uncover Juliet's plan!

This whole situation TOTALLY reminds me of ana lucia- how Jack was the only one who stuck up for her- and all he based that on was a drink in an airport bar!

Jack has the WORST instincts EVER!

I guess I'm the only one who disagrees, but let me do so respectfully. By saying "Leave her alone. She's under my protection," he says that if Sayid wants to question her, he has to go through Jack. And like it or not, Jack has saved their bacon more times than Sayid ever has. Everything Sayid has done has completely backfired. Circle around in the boat to get to the others camp first while Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Michael go through the jungle? Yeah, that worked perfectly! Take the boat and wait to ambush the others? Yeah, that worked perfectly too... Has Sayid done ANYTHING that actually worked out in the end?

And I have nothing against his character, but he's no leader. I think the writers have established that with the way he continually mishandles everything and backs down constantly.

Sawyer, on the other hand and in my mind, is going to be the real threat to Jack.

I guess I'm the only one who disagrees, but let me do so respectfully. By saying "Leave her alone. She's under my protection," he says that if Sayid wants to question her, he has to go through Jack. And like it or not, Jack has saved their bacon more times than Sayid ever has. Everything Sayid has done has completely backfired. Circle around in the boat to get to the others camp first while Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and Michael go through the jungle? Yeah, that worked perfectly! Take the boat and wait to ambush the others? Yeah, that worked perfectly too... Has Sayid done ANYTHING that actually worked out in the end?

And I have nothing against his character, but he's no leader. I think the writers have established that with the way he continually mishandles everything and backs down constantly.

Sawyer, on the other hand and in my mind, is going to be the real threat to Jack.

If Jackl had listened to Sayid, they'd still have Benry in custody and none of that would have happened. Sayid may not be the leader type, but he's smart and has great instincts and Jack should trust him. Sayid has made MUCH better decisions based on the information than Jack has.

whaaat? why won't Jack let Sayid ask her questions???

!!! You're over here too Mark :) Over at the DarkUFO chat I'm RazzleDazzle hehe

He's being very protective, and I thought it was kind of a strange thing to say.. especially since he's only known her for a very short time and barely knows her!

Jack used to be my favorite character until I went back and watched the entire lost series last weekend and began to notice this really GLARING "damsel in distress" flaw they have given him. Get Jack a girl with a pretty face and a crisis she's needing a hero on and he's sucked in hook line and sinker WHICH to me is all about an ego feed, which is a very weak character flaw to give the lead "hero" guy. So, when I started seeing that as a constant theme of his character, it really began to turn me off from liking him or even caring about his character or his storyline anymore. It creates disrespect for his character, that and it's just getting old.


Great character insight! I think you nailed it. Probably why some of us girl think he's so hot, what girl doesn't like that "knight in shinning armor" fairy tale? Well, I can't speak for all girls but a lot of them do. But your right in this case TPTB have turnned usually attractive quality into a real character flaw!

The more I read this post and some of the others and think about what I posted, Im beginning to wonder if there is a bigger purpose to showing Jacks flaws and mistakes so much this season, diminishing him and elevating others. I think maybe it might be an intentional attempt to make a bigger statement about there are no GOOD ones (like Goodwin said to analucia) or BAD ones....that everyone has good and bad in them and everyone is basically the same when it comes to strengths and flaws. I think all of them have flaws that would hinder any kind of "perfect" leadership, but it would be interesting to see who would be better at it then Jack!

Jack has the WORST instincts EVER!

Or....

Is it possible the "tool" has learned a few new tricks?

What if....

Jack has a plan? He "pretends" to completely trust her...even challenging the ever imposing Sayid to "protect" her...not pressing her with all those burninng questions that Sayid & Sawyer want to know.

What if...

He lied...when he said he saw in her eyes she wants off that god forsaken rock after the sub blew up...Perhaps he saw in her eyes that she DOESN'T want off the island at all...now that she knows her sis and baby are doing fine.

What if...

Jack is playing INTO Ben & Juliette's game...on purpose...giving Juliette plenty of rope....

What if...

Jack is waiting for Juliette to hang herself.

What if...

Jack is fully aware that Juliette's "trial"...and "branding" by the Others for killing Pickett was all an elaborate set up get him to sympathize with her plight...being "ousted" by her friends and family of Others.

What if...

Jack is FINALLY one step ahead of Ben for once.

What if...

Or....

Is it possible the "tool" has learned a few new tricks?

What if....

Jack has a plan? He "pretends" to completely trust her...even challenging the ever imposing Sayid to "protect" her...not pressing her with all those burninng questions that Sayid & Sawyer want to know.

What if...

He lied...when he said he saw in her eyes she wants off that god forsaken rock after the sub blew up...Perhaps he saw in her eyes that she DOESN'T want off the island at all...now that she knows her sis and baby are doing fine.

What if...

Jack is playing INTO Ben & Juliette's game...on purpose...giving Juliette plenty of rope....

What if...

Jack is waiting for Juliette to hang herself.

What if...

Jack is fully aware that Juliette's "trial"...and "branding" by the Others for killing Pickett was all an elaborate set up get Jack to sympathize with her plight...being "ousted" by her friends and family of Others.

What if...

Jack is FINALLY one step ahead of Ben for once.

What if...

It would work out as well as the time he let Ana Lucia and Libby's murderer lead him and his friends into the Others' hands.

Sorry, I really don't think Jack is that bright. and if he is, he better clue someone else in soon!

Or....

Is it possible the "tool" has learned a few new tricks?

What if....

Jack has a plan? He "pretends" to completely trust her...even challenging the ever imposing Sayid to "protect" her...not pressing her with all those burninng questions that Sayid & Sawyer want to know.

What if...

He lied...when he said he saw in her eyes she wants off that god forsaken rock after the sub blew up...Perhaps he saw in her eyes that she DOESN'T want off the island at all...now that she knows her sis and baby are doing fine.

What if...

Jack is playing INTO Ben & Juliette's game...on purpose...giving Juliette plenty of rope....

What if...

Jack is waiting for Juliette to hang herself.

What if...

Jack is fully aware that Juliette's "trial"...and "branding" by the Others for killing Pickett was all an elaborate set up get him to sympathize with her plight...being "ousted" by her friends and family of Others.

What if...

Jack is FINALLY one step ahead of Ben for once.

What if...

That was my thought too. After the Michael con, I think he has his guard up now. This will probably be an upcoming twist.

Either Jack is the biggest idiot on the island or he's working one heck of a con on Juliet. I hope it's the latter, but at the moment I really have my doubts. I've always been a big Jack fan, but tonight I wanted someone to punch him!

That reaction that made me think he might be conning Juliet, though. It seems the writers have really gone out of their way to make us turn on Jack, so I think they're conning us at the moment :cool:

I don't believe what he told Kate about the past week.. .

They're setting Jack up to be a crappy leader- but what will that have to do with the tatoos? You knw it wil caome back into play in the finale. I really hated the episode where it showed him geting the tattoos . . . andwhat happend to the creepy lady? ARG!!!!

Or....

Is it possible the "tool" has learned a few new tricks?

What if....

Jack has a plan? He "pretends" to completely trust her...even challenging the ever imposing Sayid to "protect" her...not pressing her with all those burninng questions that Sayid & Sawyer want to know.

Did anyone else notice the look Jack gave her before she smiled when she was setting up her tent? To me, that look said a lot, and none of it was "I trust this person." It was the exact opposite.


What if...

He lied...when he said he saw in her eyes she wants off that god forsaken rock after the sub blew up...Perhaps he saw in her eyes that she DOESN'T want off the island at all...now that she knows her sis and baby are doing fine.I think the one thing that we can absolutely be sure of is that Juliet wants off the island ASAP! If everything else is up in the air, I think that one fact isn't.


What if...

Jack is playing INTO Ben & Juliette's game...on purpose...giving Juliette plenty of rope....

Jack is waiting for Juliette to hang herself.

Jack is fully aware that Juliette's "trial"...and "branding" by the Others for killing Pickett was all an elaborate set up get him to sympathize with her plight...being "ousted" by her friends and family of Others.

Jack is FINALLY one step ahead of Ben for once.Exactly!
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It would work out as well as the time he let Ana Lucia and Libby's murderer lead him and his friends into the Others' hands.

That was Sayid's idea, if you'll remember.

Sorry, I really don't think Jack is that bright. and if he is, he better clue someone else in soon!You don't think Jack learned about betrayal and subterfuge this season? I think you give him too little credit.

What if BOTH Jack AND Sayid are right about Juliet? We know all about Ben's plot, so we know Sayid was right not to trust Juliet, but what if the desperate yearning to leave that Jack saw in her eyes was real, too? What if Jack's kindness to her and confidence in her even though she did very little to earn it, what if it has a profound effect on Juliet and she eventually changes allegiances and becomes a, well, for lack of a better word, "double agent"? It could happen.

It's interesting that Jack's kindness towards Juliet is seen as a weakness. I was actually happy to see that captivity didn't make Jack completely bitter and paranoid. I was reminded of the woman Sayid tortured, who showed Sayid some mercy when the tables were turned. You know, that old adage by Lincoln...the best way to destroy an enemy is to make him your friend. Jack's "alligance" to Juliet might actually be in the best interest of the Losties in the end.

Jack annoyed me in that scene with his assumption that what he says goes, and that Sayid better not do anything to Juliet "or else". At least it came across that way- almost like a threat. Who exactly does Jack think he is?

I was only disappointed that Sayid didn't challenge Jack on the point.

I think Sayid has a lot of respect for Jack. He doesn't want to challange that unless he absolutely has to.

I'm a Jack fan, but that really was a character diminishing moment. Sometimes I'm puzzled with the way the writers seem to want these characters to devolve, as if the only way to bring them up is to knock them down first. Like the time Locke took his eyes off Patchy to play chess, and ended up blowing up the Flame. At the time most of us thought he was being a dunce, but at least his actions were later explained in a way that's consistent with his character. I doubt their going to try and do the same with Jack.

Jack and Sawyer happen to be my two favorite characters at this moment, though I also love Ben. I do agree, MyNameIsn'tEarl that they were setting up Sawyer as a possible leader and that there will be a possible division between Jack and Sawyer.

Jack right now is too trusting because he likes Juliet. But it doesn't mean that he can't fix that. And I agree that they are fixing Jack up for something BIG. We just don't know what that is yet.

i LOVE jack, but i hated hearing him say that. i think i said "WHAT?!" right out loud. i doubt jack has a plan because he has such a habit of taking the wrong side. he took ben's side with locke and sayid from the start, he didn't believe claire her nightly injections, he has had a hard time trusting several losties (kate, sayid, locke, sawyer) when they are the only people there he should trust. i'm afraid i must agree that jack is simply being controlled by his overwhelming instinct to save anyone in distress. he's very vulnerable that way and i agree that the whole trial with juliet was a set up to make jack start feeling protective of juliet and trust her.

They might be doing the "Sawyer as leader" arc to show us the characters potential for good.

If Sawyer does find out Cooper is on the island and is indeed the real sawyer I can imagine him going to some pretty dark places character wise.

And yes Jack has character flaws. Like a real person. Jack is my favourite character and if he had no flaws whatsoever then his character wouldn't be half as interesting. Come on. A character with no flaws whatsoever? How boring.

I'm still having a tough time getting over Jack making a deal with Ben. Jack appeared willing to leave everyone behind...just to save himself. I don't trust him anymore and my bet is he is acting as a tool for the Others to protect Juliet. Ben probably made him another promise to get him off the island in a week when the Others comeback for Juliet.

I thought the use of the line 'she's under my protection' is very suspicious when he coulda easily said leave her alone.

Also, I think with Locke gone, the writers need a foil for Jack ... enter Sayid.

Finally, it's amazing to me how naive Jack can be.

Juliet is playing Jack, just as she did with the cards telling to kill Ben. Juliet is our for herself. It was "Bully Jack" with the notion 'she under my protection', get a life dude there are to many people wanting answers and Juliet knows a lot. I'd stake her out on and ant hill someplace and test her metal to keep silent. If Jack wants to but in its nap time for Jack.

When Jack said that.. my reaction was "And Jack, what makes you think Sayid won't kill you too?"

I can't stand Jack anymore. Maybe Sayid should have taken him out.

As much as I dislike Jack's character, I do find it hard to believe that the writers would make him this dislikable in this episode if it wasn't for a bigger reason.

The way I see it either Jack is in on Ben's plan with Juliet, which will be revealed in the finale or something and has gone rouge or maybe like his other plan to get off the island he's deluded himself he's doing it for the good of the group or something. OR he has some big plan to con her and Ben and end up victorious. OR as STH said, he's just a tool.

But I do think that a big power struggle was set up in this episode, which will play out to the finale, it's going to be Sayid, Sawyer and possibly Kate (although I don;t think she'd let any harm come to jack) vs Jack and Juliet. Although how the potential Cooper in the real sawyer storyline will fit into this I can't imagine.

But jack has no right to demand the Losties accept Juliet and trust her because he says so, and Sayid and sawyer were barely able to restrain themsleves when he said that, especially Sayid!

this line was quite humorous to me. I was saying to my sister, "look at Sayid, I think he's shaking in his boots"!! I can't wait to see what happens when Jack finds out he has been played the fool this whole time by Juliet. I don't want to see him hurt but I want him to know that Juliet is not the person he thinks she is. She isn't worthy of his trust.

Agreed. I couldn't help but think that being under Jack's "protection" doesn't mean much when your opposition is FREAKIN SAYID.



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What is Dr. "Cries-A-Lot" going to do against the Military Dude? :wallbash:

Especially with Sawyer (and probably Kate) on his side.

I don't think Jack is that dumb and she certainly isn't a damsel in distress and he knows it. I think that he truly believes that Juliet is a good person and is giving her a chance. The eyes are indeed a window to the soul.

What we saw at the end of this episode does not mean that Juliet is still with Ben and has an agenda. Did you ever think that she might hate Ben's guts for not letting her go home and will use this opportunity to get back at him? I think she finally realized that he will never let her go home.

Also, from Jack's point of view, she saved Kate and Sawyer's butts. That means a lot to him. For that, he'll let her have a few moment's peace until she has to cough up some answers.

Lastly, Sayid has made some crappy decisions too. His character may be a bad ***, but not one I would look up to. He was a torturer for pete's sake. Like Juliet said, he has a lot of blood on his hands, far more than she.

Lastly, Jack was not leaving the island for himself. He has repeatedly said that he saw his chance to get off the island and took it because it was the only way he could get help for the rest of them. When he whispered in Kate's ear that he would be back for her, he meant it. He was not being selfish when he made the deal with Ben.

Okay, I've revealed myself to be a Jack lover.

Jack has turned into such a lame little brat.

And it's just a bad idea to mess with Sayid.

Me no like Dakter Jak no more.

I don't think Jack is that dumb and she certainly isn't a damsel in distress and he knows it. I think that he truly believes that Juliet is a good person and is giving her a chance. The eyes are indeed a window to the soul.

What we saw at the end of this episode does not mean that Juliet is still with Ben and has an agenda. Did you ever think that she might hate Ben's guts for not letting her go home and will use this opportunity to get back at him? I think she finally realized that he will never let her go home.

Also, from Jack's point of view, she saved Kate and Sawyer's butts. That means a lot to him. For that, he'll let her have a few moment's peace until she has to cough up some answers.

I agree, Jack is not dumb and realizes Juliete is no shrinking violet needing protection. That cringe-worthy line was meant for Juliete, not Sayid. Juliete isn't the kind of person you confront directly, it took her less than a minute to dress down Sawyer and Sayid when they confronted her in the jungle. She did the same to Kate last week. I don't know if Juliete is a good person but I think Jack recognizes she isn't a true-blue Other either.

I don't believe Dr. Jack was fooled by Juliete curing Claire. He's too dedicated a doctor to let that happen without figuring out what happened.

And finally, isn't Jack the only one who has outsmarted Ben? He played along that Kate's affair with Sawyer meant he was happy to do the surgery to get off the island but then used it as way to get those two off the island. Couldn't Jack be doing the same thing now, playing along with Juliet until he sees an advantage?

im sorry, but as it was said earlier, anyone who thinks jack is conning everyone is either a really blind faith jack lover, or just missing the obvious. he trusts juliet, stupidly, and is making another stupid decision, like he always does. sure he does some good and his heart is in the right place but he's way to emotional to be leader and he always screws up. so he saved kate and sawyer, you're forgetting that he was half responsible for getting them captured in the first place. (or maybe one third if you count sayid in there too, even though jack was willing to trust michael when sayid wasnt, so i'd say its more jack's fault for buying michaels bull crud) so what? he could fix his own mess. whoopi....he should stay on the beach and just be the surgeon, which is where is best at. his hearts in the right palce, but his emotions are all over hte place and thats going to wind up gettin someone killed.

I think you're missing what makes a leader. Regardless of how Jack delivers his "wishes" he's never demanded anyone do things the way he says or they can't play anymore. He makes a strong case for what he thinks needs to happen, but ultimately the decision is up to the sheep, which is why people choose to follow him, that and he just makes them feel safe.

His "she's under my protection" line was his way of letting Sayid know he wasn't going to go through another Sawyer or Henry ordeal with him, that Sayid could ask all the questions he wants when she's ready to talk not because he broke her fingers with a pair of pliers.

I can't begin to guess what is going on with Jack, other than Jack is just being Jack and trying to be fair to all involved and give all involved the benefit of the doubt. It is the difference between being a leader and being a dictator.

Oh and I'll disagree that Jack has done nothing but constantly screw up. That's pretty unfair and at least Jack can say two people never got buried alive under his watch. ;)

Immediately after Jack said this line, I said out loud what I was hoping would be Sayid's next line -
"And whose protection are you under?"

I thought it was clever. I thought I should be a LOST writer!
My wife thought I should shut the heck up and just watch the freakin' show.

Or....

Is it possible the "tool" has learned a few new tricks?

What if....

Jack has a plan? He "pretends" to completely trust her...even challenging the ever imposing Sayid to "protect" her...not pressing her with all those burninng questions that Sayid & Sawyer want to know.

What if...

He lied...when he said he saw in her eyes she wants off that god forsaken rock after the sub blew up...Perhaps he saw in her eyes that she DOESN'T want off the island at all...now that she knows her sis and baby are doing fine.

What if...

Jack is playing INTO Ben & Juliette's game...on purpose...giving Juliette plenty of rope....

What if...

Jack is waiting for Juliette to hang herself.

What if...

Jack is fully aware that Juliette's "trial"...and "branding" by the Others for killing Pickett was all an elaborate set up get him to sympathize with her plight...being "ousted" by her friends and family of Others.

What if...

Jack is FINALLY one step ahead of Ben for once.

What if...

I hope this is true!

Immediately after Jack said this line, I said out loud what I was hoping would be Sayid's next line -
"And whose protection are you under?"




I like that. Very nice line. Send in your resume to abc! Won't hurt to try right?!!

Jack annoyed me in that scene with his assumption that what he says goes, and that Sayid better not do anything to Juliet "or else". At least it came across that way- almost like a threat. Who exactly does Jack think he is?

I was only disappointed that Sayid didn't challenge Jack on the point.


This scene would of been PERFECT for one of Sawyer's "Who the hell are you?" lines.

I think what was more telling was Juliet saying why do you say 'them' and not ask me yourself. That to me was her being suspicious of Jack and I think she knows he may not be all her seems.

The first thing I thought of was "oh, yeah, and who's going to protect YOU if you stand in Sayid's way?" I know he's trying to be a gentleman but, come on!

Sayid respects Jack and Jack respects Sayid, I doubt either was overly concerned about suddenly behaving like idiots and taking swings at one another.

How many people wrote Jack off when he did the surgery on Ben? How many people were surprised when he slit Ben's kidney? Jack's no dummy. He is the only Fusie to seriously one-up the Others with that act, rescuing Sawyer and Kate.

That "She's under my protection" line was out of character and borderline laughable. The only way it works is if Jack has his own scheme. Remember "I Do", when Jack was screaming at Juliet and Ben inside the observation room: "Do you think I believe you people? Do you think I trust you?"

There has been no major event since then to shift Jack's thinking. Juliet was scarred as punishment for helping Sawyer and Kate escape, and maybe Jack thinks of that as taking a bullet for him. But my bet is he has his own plan.

And yes Jack has character flaws. Like a real person. Jack is my favourite character and if he had no flaws whatsoever then his character wouldn't be half as interesting. Come on. A character with no flaws whatsoever? How boring.

Totally true, and I wholeheartedly agree. Jack has a dark side. Sawyer has a good side. This is what makes someone a whole person. And I still don't necessarily see a penultimate "showdown" between Jack and Sawyer. I stand by what I said before about Hurley's little con, simply trying to bolster a demoralized Sawyer, and NOT necessarily appointing him the new leader. He's an Alpha Male, but more content to live on the fringes. In a tussle, however, you'd want him on your side.

I find Jack totally fascinating, because of his flaws, and I find him fascinating for his strengths. I credit Fox for accurately portraying a complicated, torn human being.

And I'm in the camp that says *he's* playing both Juliet and Ben. He's a very cagey man. This doesn't mean he's not sympathetic to either. No allegiance on this island could ever be that simple.

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Immediately after Jack said this line, I said out loud what I was hoping would be Sayid's next line -
"And whose protection are you under?"

I thought it was clever. I thought I should be a LOST writer!
My wife thought I should shut the heck up and just watch the freakin' show.

Well, when I heard it, my first thought was "No, she's under the writers' protection"!

I'm leaning toward the idea that Jack's the man with the plan!

im sorry, but as it was said earlier, anyone who thinks jack is conning everyone is either a really blind faith jack lover, or just missing the obvious. he trusts juliet, stupidly, and is making another stupid decision, like he always does.
I heard Jack ask Charlie right away when Claire passed out when she got sick and if she got sick before they (meaning Juliet) got back. I also heard him warn Juliet not to hurt Claire. And then I heard him lay it out for Juilet that everyone would be wanting answers soon. I think that all sounds like a man who does not trust Juliet implicitly, but rather either has a plan or at the very least feels it is more prudent to have an Other where he can see them rather than let them go free before asking them any questions whatsoever. Doesn't sound stupid at all.

I also liked how jack thought the fact that he trusted her should be enough for everyone there. that is real arrogance right there.


I don't know if it's arrogance, but it sounds oddly familiar to Michael's reasoning when he came back to camp planning to get Walt back. Right now I can't decide whether to be suspicious of Jack, or think that he may be getting to/compromising Juliet (it seemed like it kinda got to her when he said that she was now 'one of them').

Who exactly does Jack think he is?.

Juliet's boyfriend.

Later Juliet asked Jack why he did not have any questions... And he answered (no exact quote) "you want to get off the island and that makes you one of us", very strange. Either he's really dull or he has no questions because he knows already?

So far in this show Jack has shown himself to be:

a) Naturally protective of people, both male and female
b) Willing to give people the benefit of the doubt
c) The craftiest con-artist on the island

While I'm not fully confident, I don't think Jack is being played. When Juliet was "Left Behind" with his people, his very first response was "Why?". He does know that Juliet desperately wants off the island - I don't think he's entirely trusting of what she'll do to achieve that goal. But he also knows, as Kate should know by now, that Juliet plays her cards very close to her chest. Just as Ben didn't, she would not crack under Sayid's methods nor is she easily tricked. While Jack says everyone should trust her because he does, I don't really believe he does and I'm hoping that in future episodes, he will take at least Sayid into his confidence about that.

But then, Jack does have that willingness to give people the benefit of the doubt and to stand up for people so, heck, maybe he is being played. But, if he's wrong, it doesn't make him arrogant or a "tool". It just makes him wrong - as, I might point out, Sayid was wrong when he came up with the plan to have the fantastic 4 and Michael go get Walt back while he circled round to ambush the Others, or Sawyer was wrong when he trusted his friend, Hibbs and managed to kill an innocent man.

Both Jack and Sayid should know by now that acting with insufficient information has been the one thing that's cost the Losties more than anything. I hope Jack's just biding his time until Juliet shows her true colours...(please, please..)

That line was preposterous.

Equally ridiculous, was the way Jack “greeted” the Losties that schlepped across the island to save his butt. He showed no interest in the fact that Sayid just spent three days chained to a swing set.

Maybe Jack could have asked something like, “Hey Sayid, thanks for coming, are you ok?” or “Did Hurley make it back ok?” or “Have any of you seen or heard from Michael or Walt?”

I know we have to give the writer’s some room to be able to advance the plot, but they take liberties with characters and events that make it impossible to suspend disbelief. The writers are lazy and have been resting on their laurels for quite a while now. It’s very disappointing.
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Even if Jack does have a plan, by endorsing Juliette the way he is, he is putting everyone else at risk. If he doesn't REALLY trust her, he should be making sure that everyone else knows to watch their backs.

What makes him think that while he is trying to con her, she isn't going to do some irreparable damage to someone else?

He can't watch her 24/7 all by himself. Why isn't he worried that she is going to grab Aaron and run off with him?

A captain is the last one off a sinking boat, but our fearless leader wanted to be the first one off the island? Screw him. I hope that little preview of Sawyer as leader means something and he grows up a little and steps into Jack's place.

A captain is the last one off a sinking boat, but our fearless leader wanted to be the first one off the island? Screw him. I hope that little preview of Sawyer as leader means something and he grows up a little and steps into Jack's place.

Except the island is not a sinking boat - it's been there a long time and will continue to be there a long time, as will its inhabitants unless someone comes up with a workable plan to get everybody rescued - Yes?

Obnoxious Jack. Sayid should have protested at the least or punched him at the most. I wanted to do the later.

Who the hell do you think you are Jack.

O come to think of it thats not Jacks fault. Its writers' :-P

I'm still having a tough time getting over Jack making a deal with Ben. Jack appeared willing to leave everyone behind...just to save himself.
He was going to try to send help back for the rest of them, the same as Michael, Sawyer, and Jin were going to do when they left on the raft. It's better one person tries to find rescue than none.

Jack has turned into such a lame little brat.

And it's just a bad idea to mess with Sayid.

Yes, because Sayid has a way of torturing people on the island in order to get them to do what he wants. He failed both times he tried that. Hell, Danielle got more information out of him when she strapped him to a bedframe than Sayid got out of both Sawyer and Ben when he tortured them. I adore Sayid, but he makes just as many mistakes as Jack, or anyone else.

I'm leaning toward the idea that Jack's the man with the plan!
Jack has been rather intelligent up to this point, I would hate to see them ruin Jack by making him do something totally out of character.

That line was preposterous.

[quote]Maybe Jack could have asked something like, “Hey Sayid, thanks for coming, are you ok?” or “Did Hurley make it back ok?” or “Have any of you seen or heard from Michael or Walt?”
We saw about 3 minutes of their almost 2-day hike back to the beach.

Even if Jack does have a plan, by endorsing Juliette the way he is, he is putting everyone else at risk. If he doesn't REALLY trust her, he should be making sure that everyone else knows to watch their backs.

I sure hope the rest of the losties aren't that stupid to not figure that one out for themselves, otherwise they all might deserve whatever they get. They used to stay up all night guarding the camp, they could do so again to make sure Juliet doesn't go anywhere in the middle of the night.

Jack annoyed me in that scene with his assumption that what he says goes, and that Sayid better not do anything to Juliet "or else". At least it came across that way- almost like a threat. Who exactly does Jack think he is?

I was only disappointed that Sayid didn't challenge Jack on the point.

Well what do you expect? If Jack wasn't there, the survivors would have their way with Juliet. What did you want Jack to say, go ahead Sayid, kick her ***?