With the newspaper date, we now know that the time on the island is the same that the outside world !

ben seemed to pretty much be cemented as a liar in this episode.
those videos could be a scam; at the very least, not a live feed.

>>those videos could be a scam; at the very least, not a live feed.

Yup. At the very least, without any other trickery involved, the island could still be *ahead* of outside-world time.

It was daylight on the island AND daylight in Miami? I think this definatly raises some questions if it was really a live feed!

With the newspaper date, we now know that the time on the island is the same that the outside world !


You're believing Ben? They probably taped some of those just so they could show them to Juliet. With the pregnant women's bodies almost advancing exponentially.. something on that island is messing with time.

D/

nope case not closed. Alpert makes a remark to Juliet that she would be surprised how time goes by on the island. Paraphrasing here but I think it is a big clue

I trust Ben here. And I normally don't. Weve seen other indications time is normal on and off the island, by Ben showing Jack the footage of the Sox winning the Series.

Yeah..not really closed as the someone said above

the" Lost Time" company man said Time goes by fast on the Island. That was not by accident.

But wait, there's more. Juliet says she's been there 3 years. Do we know the approximate date in the outside world when she left/drank the orange kool aid? If that outside date was around 3 years back then the time is running the same.

"Julian" have 3 years old, he can walk and play in park !

So the time line seem to be correct if our refencial is the kids ! (with what said juliet to jack = 3 yr)

On the others TV, they talk about the plane disparition in pacific, So if all tv are syncronised

Two options :

1) All tv screen are fake --> big con on juliet

2) some TV are true --> Time line is correct, only a bermuda triangle in pacific ocean !

3) Everybody is fake "--> à la Dark City" (Joke !)

nope case not closed. Alpert makes a remark to Juliet that she would be surprised how time goes by on the island. Paraphrasing here but I think it is a big clue

Oooo, good catch! I remember that line, but it floated right over me when I was watching the episode.

I think it was more of a nod to the crazy theorists. I laughed when I heard that line. Don't look too far into it.

Slightly off topic... one day prior to the crash Juliet saw Ben's xray for the first time. That also was her 3-year anniversary on the island. Which means she arrived on the island on September 21, 2001. I don't know how long the submarine ride was. Would that mean she left Miami sometime around September 11, 2001?

Coincidence?

I believe that time moves normal on the island. Ben definitely lies and manipulates but in this case I just don't think time is moving at a different rate than the outside world and that the footage he and Mikhail showed her was an elaborate scam. It's just too weird and sci-fi. Even for Lost. I just really hope that isn't the case.

julian wouldnt be 3 yet. You have to account for teh pregnacy.. he is more liek 2 years and a few months much to young to be running around on playground equipment, making me think Island time is SLOWER than real world/

I thought the age of the child made sense with the timeline. My kids liked to play at the playground at 2 1/2 years old.

If they got on the plane on Sep 22 in Australia, it would still be Sep 21 in Miami. If the Miami paper has Sep 22, then it is Sep 23 in Australia. The plane crashed a day after? Something is not right...

the timing seems correct to me. if juliet came to island in september 2001, and i think about 1 week to 1 month, maybe even up to 3 months had passed since her sister became pregnant (when mittelos first approached juliet). thus the baby would be born sometime around June 2002. that would make the baby about 2 years 3 months at the time of the plane crash on 9/22/04. this matches what ben says when they were watching the "live feed": "A little over two years ago . . . Rachel's cancer went into complete remission. Shortly after, she gave birth . . ."

If they got on the plane on Sep 22 in Australia, it would still be Sep 21 in Miami. If the Miami paper has Sep 22, then it is Sep 23 in Australia. The plane crashed a day after? Something is not right...

Miami is 14 hours behind Sydney in September. The plane took off at 14:55, which means it's already September 22 in Miami. The crash was some 8 hours after takeoff. If you factor in the time it takes to walk from Otherville to Flame, it will be close to noon in Miami. So, the math does check out.

The bigger problem, which has been pointed out countless time, is that the crash should happen at night, not in broad daylight, unless they were flying west, not northeast, the direction needed to reach LAX.

Seeing a date on a Newspaper does not help Ben's credibility in the least. To have a newspaper shown to prove someone is still alive on a certain date you need to know what the headline for that particular newspaper for that particular date is. Anyone can have a fake newspaper printed up with whatever date you want. If Ben controls all the media on the island it would be no problem for him to fake some headlines either.

Confused as usual. My theory is the island is enveloped in a time window. The window opens and closes due to various events. The sub is used to get to middle earth were the island is located. The plane would have floated thru the time window then as it entered ? split the plane in three sections. ??? There are to many mysteries and we need answers .

This playground scene is the writers SPELLING OUT to us that time on the island is the same as the rest of the world. All the time envelope theories have been completely debunked time and again and yet a few select people can't let the concept go.

Sure, Ben might be able to print his own newspaper, but believing that Rachel would play ball in deceiving her long lost sister in a video feed filmed other than "present time" doesn't make any sense. "Hey, will you help us film a little video with this kid that we will then show to your sister 2 years from now?" Hahahaha, ridiculous.

Not everything is deception on LOST.

Couldn't strange time movement on the island be a possible reason woman cant carry babies to term - could be something to do with cell development and gestation period.

I think we all need to assume that Ben is a lying manipulator.

How coincidental was it that Locke appears in his home with C-4?

How coincidental was it that when Juliet wants to leave, suddenly, Ben relates that her sister has cancer, and he can have Jacob cure her if she stays?

How coincidental everything is that involves Ben. There are more, but I don't want to leave a long post that nobody will read.

I agree the newspaper may be old, or new, or in the future. Whatever it is, I know, in my heart of hearts, that Ben lied to Juliet when he told her that her sister had cancer again, while preggers.

Rachel delivered a healthy baby, Julian, named after Juliet, and she did not have another bout with cancer. Ben is a liar,...as usual!

Slightly off topic... one day prior to the crash Juliet saw Ben's xray for the first time. That also was her 3-year anniversary on the island. Which means she arrived on the island on September 21, 2001. I don't know how long the submarine ride was. Would that mean she left Miami sometime around September 11, 2001?

Coincidence?

She mentioned the exact time she's been on the island in "Not in Portland", which dates her arrival to September 5, not 11.

Seeing a date on a Newspaper does not help Ben's credibility in the least. To have a newspaper shown to prove someone is still alive on a certain date you need to know what the headline for that particular newspaper for that particular date is. Anyone can have a fake newspaper printed up with whatever date you want. If Ben controls all the media on the island it would be no problem for him to fake some headlines either.

ARGH. Let's use a little logic here.

We know from Locke in "Live Together, Die Alone" that Oceanic 815 crashed on September 22, 2004. That is the date on the newspaper Ben shows Juliet. This is the day they saw the plane crash. So the day the plane arrives on the island, it IS September 22, 2004 in the outside world, regardless of whether the video feed was live or not.

Juliet sees the date on the newspaper. From "Not in Portland", we know she has a very good recollection of how long she's been on the island ("three years, two months and 28 days"). Now, assuming that September 22, 2004 is more than one or two days off from what Juliet would expect it to be, she'd YELL "what happened to those X months/years of my life I have no memory of?" or "how can I have spent so much time on this island when only X days/weeks/months/years have passed in the outside world?"

Meanwhile, I personally was fairly certain that the "time flows differently" theory had been debunked as soon as Desmond told Jack about his arrival on the island ("it was three years ago"). Desmond and Jack have met each other in the outside world, and if there was any major time discrepancy, one of them likely would have noticed (although we know Jack can be pretty dense in this regard). But then, Desmond should have noticed by the time Locke told him the date of the crash. Had it been totally out of synch with the time Desmond had spent in the hatch, he'd have noticed.

But now, Juliet WOULD have definitely noticed instantly.

She mentioned the exact time she's been on the island in "Not in Portland", which dates her arrival to September 5, not 11.



ARGH. Let's use a little logic here.

We know from Locke in "Live Together, Die Alone" that Oceanic 815 crashed on September 22, 2004. That is the date on the newspaper Ben shows Juliet. This is the day they saw the plane crash. So the day the plane arrives on the island, it IS September 22, 2004 in the outside world, regardless of whether the video feed was live or not.

Juliet sees the date on the newspaper. From "Not in Portland", we know she has a very good recollection of how long she's been on the island ("three years, two months and 28 days"). Now, assuming that September 22, 2004 is more than one or two days off from what Juliet would expect it to be, she'd YELL "what happened to those X months/years of my life I have no memory of?" or "how can I have spent so much time on this island when only X days/weeks/months/years have passed in the outside world?"

Meanwhile, I personally was fairly certain that the "time flows differently" theory had been debunked as soon as Desmond told Jack about his arrival on the island ("it was three years ago"). Desmond and Jack have met each other in the outside world, and if there was any major time discrepancy, one of them likely would have noticed (although we know Jack can be pretty dense in this regard). But then, Desmond should have noticed by the time Locke told him the date of the crash. Had it been totally out of synch with the time Desmond had spent in the hatch, he'd have noticed.

But now, Juliet WOULD have definitely noticed instantly.

I was just about to post this line of logic. As much as I want to think that time flows differently on the island than the real world, this would require a very convoluted explanation. Time flows normally on the island, so either we have the anagram "Lost Time" wrong or it is referring to something else, maybe more metephorical.

Miami is 14 hours behind Sydney in September. The plane took off at 14:55, which means it's already September 22 in Miami.

You've got it backwards.
September 22 in OZ is September 21 in the U.S.

The newspaper date as shown was impossible.
100%
If they got on the plane on Sep 22 in Australia, it would still be Sep 21 in Miami. If the Miami paper has Sep 22, then it is Sep 23 in Australia. The plane crashed a day after? Something is not right...

This is true.
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So the day the plane arrives on the island, it IS September 22, 2004 in the outside world, regardless of whether the video feed was live or not.

This is not true. There's no one date in the outside world. It's relative to longtitude.

You've got it backwards.
September 22 in OZ is September 21 in the U.S.
DOesn't that depend on whhich side of the International date line the island sits on? Why are we assuming the island is on Sydney time?

With the newspaper date, we now know that the time on the island is the same that the outside world !


I wouldn't say case closed...

I'd say 70 against time weirdness / 30 for

Ben lies too much to let us seal the case.

Slightly off topic... one day prior to the crash Juliet saw Ben's xray for the first time. That also was her 3-year anniversary on the island. Which means she arrived on the island on September 21, 2001. I don't know how long the submarine ride was. Would that mean she left Miami sometime around September 11, 2001?

Coincidence?

This is one of the more interesting theories, and it would explain why they would be traveling to the island by submarine. It would also explain why the Others didn't use a plane to get to the island since there was a no-fly order by the U.S. government to and from the U.S. Now, does it take 11 days to travel that distance to the island by sub, but even more so, was Juliet asleep for that entire time?

DOesn't that depend on whhich side of the International date line the island sits on? Why are we assuming the island is on Sydney time?

It's the same old story as the controversy over the pilot.

The island might not be on Sydney time but it's on the same side of the IDL as Sydney.

It's daylight on the island and it's daylight in Rachel's video, so if it's the 22nd on the island, it's the 21st in the U.S.
According to the computer printout, and verified by Gregg Nations, the plane crashed at 4:16 PM, island time.

Several things in the Exodus and other scripts point to a scheduled departure time of roughly 2:00 PM (give or take) SYD time. We don't how exactly now many hours or in which direction the plane flew. However, the outside ranges (min 2 hour; max 6 hour + a 2 hour backtrack) point to the plane landing on the west side of the IDL, regardless of the direction.
So according to the information we've been given so far it's the 22nd on the island.
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Slightly off topic... one day prior to the crash Juliet saw Ben's xray for the first time. That also was her 3-year anniversary on the island. Which means she arrived on the island on September 21, 2001.

Juliet said this to Brett, in bed.
It's not clear how much time passed between that scene and the day of the plane crash. It could have been a day, a few days or a few weeks.
Most folks who have done a timetable on Juliet's arrival come up with a pre 9/11 date, around September 5th or 6th.

You've got it backwards.
This is not true. There's no one date in the outside world. It's relative to longtitude.

ARGH. This is hair splitting. Okay, it is the date in the outside world with a maximum of 1 day difference. The "time flows differently" usually puts it that there would be a large discrepancy in time passing between the island in the outside world, like "1 week on the island = 1 month in the outside world" or "7 weeks on the island = 7 days in the outside world", not "3 years on the island = 3 years plus/minus 1 day in the outside world".