What is she supposed to do? Abduct Claire? Abduct Sun? Kidnap Aaron? Cause a rift in the group? Revenge on Charlie for killing Ethan?

I think it's Sun. She needs to continue to explore the chance of a woman having a baby on the island. If she is successful again, then Ben says he will let her go. That's my theory for now.

I agree, although i'm not sure abduction will be the actual motive,
maybe only to put one of these 'implants' in her?
Maybe they can monitor her from that?

Although Juliet said Ethan did the kidnapping of Claire on his own,
i guess we really just can't believe a word she says anymore.

The plot thickens....

Jack trusts her, she des not deserve her trust.

I tend to believe that Jack is playing along with her game.

Jack is decieving Juliette..
Juliette is decieving Jack..
Juliette is also decieveing Ben...

What is she supposed to do? Abduct Claire? Abduct Sun? Kidnap Aaron? Cause a rift in the group? Revenge on Charlie for killing Ethan?

I think it's Sun. She needs to continue to explore the chance of a woman having a baby on the island. If she is successful again, then Ben says he will let her go. That's my theory for now.

I agree that she needs to get Sun. The whole reason she was recruited was for this kind of stuff, and she knows the sooner she solves the mystery of mothers dying on the island the sooner she'll get to go home.

I was about to start a thread on Juliets con - when Ben asked you are you OK - I think she was plotting her escape from him - I wonder if in one week she will refuse to go back - will she fess up to stay with the Losties or is she just one heck of a good actress?

I am honestly not sure. They might not even know Sun is pregnant, especially if she conceived on the island.

I guess I still think Aaron is the big motivation. It has to have something to do with those Shephard genes.

As for the one week's time - it is enough of a chance for her to gain their trust? Is that a necessary part of the plan? If so, is someone supposed to WANT her to fulfill her mission, like Jack? Will she tell him he is Aaron's uncle, and he'll help her take him away?

Yes, her goal could definitely still be to get at the Shephards, which puts Claire, Aaron and Jack all at risk still. To me, the question is this: What is the Others' goal? To see if babies can survive on the island and how they'll grow up there (will they get tumors, etc.)? Or is their goal to simply see if they can get on-island women to conceive and carry to term? If we can figure out their goal, then we can figure out who Juliet is after, I guess.

But Juliet's motivation, to me, is to do whatever she has to do to get off the island. So the question is: what does Ben need her to do? If she fulfills it, then she can go (maybe).

Oh, and I DO NOT believe at all that Ethan was working alone. I think she was there all along, helping him.

I was about to start a thread on Juliets con - when Ben asked you are you OK - I think she was plotting her escape from him - I wonder if in one week she will refuse to go back - will she fess up to stay with the Losties or is she just one heck of a good actress?

I don't know! If she stays it would just be more trouble for the Losties. I don't think Ben would let her go. Even if she does turn and become a Lostie she'd probably go back because of that. I don't trust her... after tonight I never will. :mad:

As for the one week's time - it is enough of a chance for her to gain their trust? Is that a necessary part of the plan? If so, is someone supposed to WANT her to fulfill her mission, like Jack? Will she tell him he is Aaron's uncle, and he'll help her take him away?

Yeah this would play out nicely, Juliet tricks Jack into enacting a plan and bringing Aaron somewhere and the Losties think Jack is the one who betrays them.

Also, she is bound to find out about Sun while she's there as well, if she doesn't know already. And I'm sure Ben would love another pregnant woman as a test subject.

Yeah, I feel like Aaron somehow is still important, as would be Sun, but as someone said, do they have any clue she is pregnant?

Whatever it is
the spoilers keep talking about some big showdown between the Losties and the Others for the finale - which would be about a week from this episode. Maybe it's something much bigger than just an abduction? Or an abduction is foiled and degenerates into something much bigger.

In the words of the Electric Light Orchestra, it's gonna be a showdown.

Speaking of music, anybody else have that Joan Osbourne song stuck in their head now? You know, "What if God was one of us?"

Which is ironic given the penchant these Others seem to have for playing God.

If Jack is simply being duped by her, then I'm really angry at Jack for bringing her into the camp. She better be deceiving Ben, but I think not because she knows Ben is the only one with the power to let her leave the island. What can the Losties do for her?

I think they plan to kidnap Sun...another reason (or maybe the real reason) that Juliett shot and killed (I can't remember his name) who was about to kill Sawyer. Juliett and Ben likely knew that he would try to kill Sun when they brought her back to camp for killing....sorry, I can't remember her name either--the chick on the boat.

She is certainly not to be trusted....what motivates her though? her desire to go home?
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I have to think of Juliette as a con person...even though I think Jack saw into her soul when he saw her eyes....
She is an attractive woman and she married Ben!!! ICK!!!
did she decieve ben into marriage???

I wonder if Kate may tell Juliet Sun is pregnant, based on the concerned glance she gave Sun when Juliet explained that pregnant women do not survive on the island.

I am honestly not sure. They might not even know Sun is pregnant, especially if she conceived on the island.

That's what i was thinking, that the only way they could know she is pregnant is if she conceived off the island (with Mikhail doing his background checks perhaps?). Unless they found out from the blood tests Ethan took, but is that even possible?

I think they plan to kidnap Sun...another reason (or maybe the real reason) that Juliett shot and killed (I can't remember his name) who was about to kill Sawyer. Juliett and Ben likely knew that he would try to kill Sun when they brought her back to camp for killing....sorry, I can't remember her name either--the chick on the boat.
You do raise a good point about Sun. If they knew she was pregnant, would Ben really send Colleen, Tom and a whole bunch of people with guns to the Elizabeth? She easily could have gotten killed.

So, now I'm thinking they DON'T know about Sun's pregnancy (yet) and that will just be a nice side-benefit for Juliet as she enacts her plan to get Aaron.

Hey, babies are a valuable commodity on this island. 2 surely is better than 1!

The plot thickens....

Jack trusts her, she des not deserve her trust.

I tend to believe that Jack is playing along with her game.

Jack is decieving Juliette..
Juliette is decieving Jack..
Juliette is also decieveing Ben...

Hmmm.... I would be very happy if Jack was just playing along and didn't really trust her, but I feel like he does actually trust her. (I love you, Jack, but really.... listen to Sayid).

As for Juliet, she's obviously playing the survivors, but I do also think she's playing Ben too - with her pause when he asked if she was okay, the way she looked off at the end. I feel like her motivations are purely self-centered. She wants to get off the island any way she can, which is understandable considering what she's been through.

I think the most telling line was when she told Jack "I'm already on my own" or something like that. Juliet is working for Juliet and no one else.

I hope Jack is aware of Juliet's con and turns the tables on her, and I also hope Locke does the same on Ben. I'm tired of seeing our team lose. What we really need now is a major victory.

Yeah I think this moment that Juliette will do what is best for Juliette...

Ok, I'm a little confused. Does Ben have cancer or not? I would guess no, But would'nt it be imposible to tell unless the tumor itself was tested? There was a lot of cancer talk in this episode. If the is a possiblity Ben has cancer, maybe Juliet is there to take Rose since her caner has dissapeared?

I'm really unsure of if she knows about Sun or not.

Let's say, hypothetically, that Ethan really was just taking blood samples from Claire.... maybe he took blood samples from all the women without them noticing. Only Claire noticed because she wasn't sleeping well and was hypersensitive due to being late in her pregnancy.
Maybe Ethan did test Sun and they know she is.

Who knows.

I like the idea that Juliet shot Danny because she knew that he would exact revenge on Sun for killing Colleen. Although it's kind of convoluted, since he was just going to kill Sawyer and didn't even know that Sun was responsible for Colleen's death.
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Ok, I'm a little confused. Does Ben have cancer or not? I would guess no, But would'nt it be imposible to tell unless the tumor itself was tested? There was a lot of cancer talk in this episode. If the is a possiblity Ben has cancer, maybe Juliet is there to take Rose since her caner has dissapeared?

That's also a really good idea! I forgot all about Rose! Unfortunately she hasn't been in this season at all, so I'm not guessing it's as likely as the other ideas.

And I have no idea if Ben has cancer or not. Juliet specifically says that she didn't tell Ben that he has cancer, just that he has a tumor. Which I was confused about as well, since I really don't know much about tumors and cancer.

I think that in the end Juliette will redeem herself but I also think she will die in the process. Just a gut feeling she is not getting off the island alive.

See you in one week:
Here's your gas mask you can use when we drop the canisters, but don't forget to hide it near camp before Austen and they wake up, so you can use it when we drop the nerve gas. We'll come get Aarron the night before. (That's why they didn't burn down or blow up Other'sville. They are all just camping out at option 2..underground hamster-ator until all the Losties have been anialated. );)
By the way, Danny will be the one picking you up on horse back after all the gas is gone...he finally got all the red dye out of his bpv...sorry we had to brand you and all that, but at least it's in a spot that no one will notice.:eek2:

I am almost sure the Others know Sun is pregnant. I thought we had been told this? Maybe not... but I really thought that somewhere in there with Colleen it came out that the Others knew Sun was pregnant.

She is an attractive woman and she married Ben!!! ICK!!!
did she decieve ben into marriage???

What are you talking about? This didn't happen.

Claire's crisis could be the excuse Juliet needs to give pregnancy tests to every woman on the beach on the excuse that pregnancy=death unless she intervenes. (Man, that's going to put a damper on island sex!) Then they'll come around to abduct anyone who shows up positive.

Cardie

I cant see them killing off Juliette...I am thinking still she cant redeem herself to anyone except her sister...
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What are you talking about? This didn't happen.

No Juliette and Ben were married...she had an affair with Goodwin...
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I cant see them killing off Juliette...I am thinking still she cant redeem herself to anyone except her sister...
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No Juliette and Ben were married...she had an affair with Goodwin...
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Huh? What makes you think they were married?

Never happened.

(Man, that's going to put a damper on island sex!)

I guess island sex does = death...

That's an interesting idea Cardie.....
Yikes.

ETA: hahahaha dolphinjen! I can't believe it's proving to be true!!!

I was gonna say...I must have missed something big. I would think something like Ben & Juliet being married would be something I would remember.

You must have been meshing fact with foilers. ;)

Maybe the snake in the box they are talking about is Juliette. Maybe she is playing along with Ben and during the last moment she turns on him for not letting her go home.

Juliet makes Jack look like a fool.. and I like her character for that. Jack doesn't seem like the naive type, but she seems to be able to manipulate him, and gain his trust easily.

I guess island sex does = death...

Of course, only for the women. Even on Craphole Island, you can't get rid of the double standard.

Cardie

so... how long is a week these days? I'm thinking at least a season, maybe more.

I guess island sex does = death...Oh my, that's unbelievable..:eek2:

I have a crazy theory. What if Juliet is there to watch Kate for pregnancy. Earlier when J/K/S were on Alcatraz island they talked about a two week time frame. But that two weeks was moved up when Jack had to perform surgery on Ben NOW. Usually, if a woman gets pregnant she won't know if for two weeks. Last week Sawyer said he had three more days on his no nicknames. So, in one week would make it approximately two weeks since K/S had their "fun".

Just a thought.

Well TPTB have apparently said each episode spans what, 1 or 2 days?


Although this season was a shorter time frame, so maybe season 4 will be a week?

And then season 5 will actually be a crossover with season 8 of 24... Jack will get to the island and have one day to save whomever's left (Hurley, Danielle, Turniphead... maybe Des too) from the Others and monster in 24 hours...

Maybe Juliet was injecting her pregnancy drug into Claire tonight to see if a second pregnancy would work - this one conceived on island. :shrug:

Ya know, I think this all shows that Ben DOES lie... first off, as was mentioned above, Ben told Alex her mother was dead. This would make sense to his story that women who try to conceive and give birth die on the island. But Danielle gave birth to Alex (I am thinking this occurred on-island) and survived. It makes me wonder if she could have also conceived on the island. If Juliet had known that Alex's mother was still alive she might want to take blood samples, or run tests, etc. But she didn't (or at least I really have seen no notion that Juliet knows of Danielle).

This makes me wonder if it depends on the island lifestyle, Danielle lives more like Locke seems to want to: off the island, keeping to herself not using 'modern conveniences' and such that ruin the 'experience.' And she's alive, 16 years and fine. Perhaps there is something in the natural food on the island that has an effect on this condition?




Also, if sex = death on the island, then it truly is like a cheesy bad horror movie! :p

She is certainly not to be trusted....what motivates her though? her desire to go home?
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I have to think of Juliette as a con person...even though I think Jack saw into her soul when he saw her eyes....
She is an attractive woman and she married Ben!!! ICK!!!
did she decieve ben into marriage???

What are you talking about? This didn't happen.I must've missed that one too. :shrug:

Ok, I'm a little confused. Does Ben have cancer or not? I would guess no, But would'nt it be imposible to tell unless the tumor itself was tested? There was a lot of cancer talk in this episode. If the is a possiblity Ben has cancer, maybe Juliet is there to take Rose since her caner has dissapeared?

Sure do like this idea of Juliet there to get Rose
good theory abby....

i'm pretty sure that i heard in a podcast that we will be seeing Rose and Bernard again this season

Also I gotta think that they know Sun is pregnant
i mean, is there anything the Others don't know about our losties?
(granted this information would be a little harder to gather)

I'm guessing the "week" ending will coincide conveniently with the season finale ;)

I agree that Sun will be the one she's after when she finds out that Sun is pregnant. There's probably a deeper game being played though and I'm not really sure what that will be.

Here's what I think:

Juliet is there for Kate, not for Sun. She doesn't know about Sun. Yet.

Ben told Juliet that she could not go home until she fixed death pregnancy problem. Kate and Sawyer were on Jacob's list. Jacob appears to be a very talented person, being able to cure cancer and all, but he cannot fix the death pregnancy. So he has Sawyer and Kate captured, puts Kate in a dress, sets up a situation that creates a strong bond btwn the two, gets Kate to proclaim her love for Sawyer, etc.---all in the hopes that they procreate.

Kate and Sawyer have the sex and that's why Ben lets them go so easily. They've done their job. It's also explains why Juliet killed Picket. She feared he was going to kill Sawyer, which would've set off Kate, and he probably would've killed her too. Juliet can't have that b/c Kate could very well be her ticket off that island.

Juliet sets up a situation in the jungle to earn Kate's trust. It's important b/c she knows that she's going to have to convince Kate to take a pregnancy test soon. Ben tells Juliet he'll see her in a week, which is perfect timing to take a pregnancy test (about 2 weeks after conception).

Now that word is out that sex=death, any guy that's had a vasectomy will be a hot commodity. :rolleyes:

I have a crazy theory. What if Juliet is there to watch Kate for pregnancy. Earlier when J/K/S were on Alcatraz island they talked about a two week time frame. But that two weeks was moved up when Jack had to perform surgery on Ben NOW. Usually, if a woman gets pregnant she won't know if for two weeks. Last week Sawyer said he had three more days on his no nicknames. So, in one week would make it approximately two weeks since K/S had their "fun".

Just a thought.

This idea (a good one) was brought up in another thread, and I think it works. Let's say that the Others know that Sun is pregnant, know Jin (at least in the outside world) was sterile, and that Sun had an ongoing sexual affair with Jae Lee. What would their conclusion be? IMO, that Jae Lee, and not Jin is the father of her baby. Since conception occured off Island (at least in their mind), Sun is just like Claire, and of no importance to their problem. However, what if Kate is the actual control subject? We know that she and Sawyer were on Jacob's list and that they were put into a controlled enviroment where physical intimacy could be encouraged. Once it was determined if Kate was pregnant, Juliet and the Others could monitor her progress-leading up until childbirth. If Kate died, oh well. If Kate lives, there's Juliet's ticket off the Island.

Expanding on my theory (that Juliet is there is find out if Kate is pregnant), it would also explain why Juliet tells Kate about the island death pregnancy. We already know that Kate knows that Juliet knows that Kate and Sawyer had sex. So Juliet is setting Kate up so that in a couple of days, she can talk Kate into taking a pregnancy test. If it turns out to be positive (and I think that its possible that Kate was injected with fertility drugs when she was captured to almost guarantee conception), she'll kidnap Kate and take her for when she meets up with Ben.

Expanding on my theory (that Juliet is there is find out if Kate is pregnant), it would also explain why Juliet tells Kate about the island death pregnancy. We already know that Kate knows that Juliet knows that Kate and Sawyer had sex. So Juliet is setting Kate up so that in a couple of days, she can talk Kate into taking a pregnancy test. If it turns out to be positive (and I think that its possible that Kate was injected with fertility drugs when she was captured to almost guarantee conception), she'll kidnap Kate and take her for when she meets up with Ben.

Good stuff. I think you're dead on.

Expanding on my theory (that Juliet is there is find out if Kate is pregnant), it would also explain why Juliet tells Kate about the island death pregnancy. We already know that Kate knows that Juliet knows that Kate and Sawyer had sex. So Juliet is setting Kate up so that in a couple of days, she can talk Kate into taking a pregnancy test. If it turns out to be positive (and I think that its possible that Kate was injected with fertility drugs when she was captured to almost guarantee conception), she'll kidnap Kate and take her for when she meets up with Ben.

Expanding on your theory...this could set up this season's cliffhanger. What if Juliet could convince Jack that taking Kate back to the Others is the only way to save her life. So he helps Juliet to kidnap Kate.

But it also seems to me that they could have found out if Kate was pregnant when they had her captive in Otherville and kept her if she was.

Just a few thoughts.

Regarding Sun, though, and all the mystery regarding her baby's father - I keep thinking that the Others made her pregnant ON the island. How? With a big needle like Juliet did to her sister or maybe they drew straws and the lucky guy went to help Sun in the garden :) And then they threatened to harm Jin if she ever talked about it. Just crazy talk?

Here's what I think:

Juliet is there for Kate, not for Sun. She doesn't know about Sun. Yet.

Ben told Juliet that she could not go home until she fixed death pregnancy problem. Kate and Sawyer were on Jacob's list. Jacob appears to be a very talented person, being able to cure cancer and all, but he cannot fix the death pregnancy. So he has Sawyer and Kate captured, puts Kate in a dress, sets up a situation that creates a strong bond btwn the two, gets Kate to proclaim her love for Sawyer, etc.---all in the hopes that they procreate.

Kate and Sawyer have the sex and that's why Ben lets them go so easily. They've done their job. It's also explains why Juliet killed Picket. She feared he was going to kill Sawyer, which would've set off Kate, and he probably would've killed her too. Juliet can't have that b/c Kate could very well be her ticket off that island.

Juliet sets up a situation in the jungle to earn Kate's trust. It's important b/c she knows that she's going to have to convince Kate to take a pregnancy test soon. Ben tells Juliet he'll see her in a week, which is perfect timing to take a pregnancy test (about 2 weeks after conception).

is that a typo Caffreys
or was it more of a Borat moment :24:

Expanding on my theory (that Juliet is there is find out if Kate is pregnant), it would also explain why Juliet tells Kate about the island death pregnancy. We already know that Kate knows that Juliet knows that Kate and Sawyer had sex. So Juliet is setting Kate up so that in a couple of days, she can talk Kate into taking a pregnancy test. If it turns out to be positive (and I think that its possible that Kate was injected with fertility drugs when she was captured to almost guarantee conception), she'll kidnap Kate and take her for when she meets up with Ben.

the more i've thought about it,
the more i like your theory Caffreys :biggrin:
i hope it turns out to be the case.....
either this one
or the Rose idea

I think the others know about Sun's pregnancy..just a hunch. Also, I noticed Juliet looking wistfully in the direction of Jin and Sun when they were all on the beach, possibly thinking about how she would carry out her plan. They may also be very interested in Kate as well.

I do not think Kate is the subject. They had Kate, they could have easily taken kate with them to where-ever it is they were going. They could have monitored her and/or artificially inseminated her. Kate was at their mercy, so No, i do not think it is kate.

They could be there for Sun, Locke is with them now, and I am sure Locke would trade info with Ben for island secrets. Locke gave Sun up.

No, during an ABC promo that aired on US TV. It shows clips of the series ie Ben in surgery, with a voice over talking about Ben, and his role in the story... part of the voice over says that Jack discovers new things about Ben including that he WAS married to Juliet. As it's from ABC it seems this is a fact...

It has been something we have all speculated about since the beginning of knowing Juliette and i thought that we all decided it was true. Even though they have parted ways here...(i.e. divorce)

I do not think Kate is the subject. They had Kate, they could have easily taken kate with them to where-ever it is they were going. They could have monitored her and/or artificially inseminated her. Kate was at their mercy, so No, i do not think it is kate.

I agree with you that they could've just kept Kate. And I think that was the original plan. I think they took Sawyer and Kate, planned on keeping Kate, and Sawyer was expendable after he did his job. When Tom told Ben that Danny really wanted to kill Sawyer, didn't Ben say something like "Picket will have to wait" or "Picket will get his chance." I think he meant that after Sawyer does his job and Kate's pregnancy is confirmed, then if Sawyer is killed, oh well.

However, what the Others weren't planning on was Jack. He set up a situation where Ben would've died if he didn't let Kate go. Jack forced their hand. So, since Kate and Sawyer already had sex and there was nothing they could really do at that point other than wait, they let Kate and Sawyer go. Or it could be something as simple as they want to see if being on the beach camp makes a difference in the outcome of a pregnancy. Maybe they think there's something contaminating the Other's village that is causing these pregnancy issues (I don't necessarily believe this, I just put it out there just as a possibility of why they let Kate go.)

Kate shows up at the Others village and they could've kept her there as well. But I think this all goes back to, "I want you to want to...." like Ben said to Jack about the surgery. While women having babies on the island is obviously important to Ben, he has his own (more important) agenda. He already illustrated that by taking Jack when he wasn't on the list. So he leaves to work with Locke to further his agenda, leaving Juliet in charge of the island death pregnancy problem with Kate.

I think that it is absolutely true that BOTH Jack and Juliet will do ANYTHING to leave the island - just like Mike.

Jules is currently out for herself...she is both a double agent and a free agent...she's playing her cards close. She's the opposite of Kate who is motivated to stay on the island and does things for moral reasons (she went to rescue Jack).

I don't believe we know which way Juliet will go next week. She needed to save Claire either way. Saving Claire was part of Ben's plan but either way Juliette couldn't allow her to die. After all she probably knows that Claire is Jack's half brother.

The entire episode was ladden with survivor-like strategies.

I agree with you that they could've just kept Kate. And I think that was the original plan. I think they took Sawyer and Kate, planned on keeping Kate, and Sawyer was expendable after he did his job. When Tom told Ben that Danny really wanted to kill Sawyer, didn't Ben say something like "Picket will have to wait" or "Picket will get his chance." I think he meant that after Sawyer does his job and Kate's pregnancy is confirmed, then if Sawyer is killed, oh well.

However, what the Others weren't planning on was Jack. He set up a situation where Ben would've died if he didn't let Kate go. Jack forced their hand. So, since Kate and Sawyer already had sex and there was nothing they could really do at that point other than wait, they let Kate and Sawyer go. Or it could be something as simple as they want to see if being on the beach camp makes a difference in the outcome of a pregnancy. Maybe they think there's something contaminating the Other's village that is causing these pregnancy issues (I don't necessarily believe this, I just put it out there just as a possibility of why they let Kate go.)

Kate shows up at the Others village and they could've kept her there as well. But I think this all goes back to, "I want you to want to...." like Ben said to Jack about the surgery. While women having babies on the island is obviously important to Ben, he has his own (more important) agenda. He already illustrated that by taking Jack when he wasn't on the list. So he leaves to work with Locke to further his agenda, leaving Juliet in charge of the island death pregnancy problem with Kate.

Very well said. Your posts are great.

Ben did want Jack to "do" the surgery on his own. He seemed pretty hellbent on that. Maybe Locke was right when he told Ben that he doesn;t get the full power of the island by living with Chicken in a refrigerator and a bed in a house.

The losties have been living with in the "wild". They need to monitor Kate in the "wild" therefore grabbing her when she came back would make no sense.

Maybe Juliet was injecting her pregnancy drug into Claire tonight to see if a second pregnancy would work - this one conceived on island. :shrug:

This isn't a bad idea since we know she injected Rachel with something and made her pregnant. Ben said she couldn't go home until her work was done. To do that she needs to bring a baby to term and a live birth on the island. Sun is a good test subject, so is Claire if she conceives on island. I wonder if she will have a role to play in Charlie and Claire getting closer (and Charlie might believe he's the father).

When she was tying up her tarp at the end when the secret was revealed she looked at specific people - Jin, Sun, Desmond, Charlie, Claire w/Aaron and Jack. I think these people are at the center of her plan to succeed in her work at any cost and get Ben to keep his promise. She is working with Ben but at the same time she may be duping Ben if it gets her what she wants. Jack was right about her wanting to leave more than anything. The question is, whose lives will she risk to make that happen?

I don't think she's simply working for the Others, she's working for herself.

The reasoning as to why Ben would release a pregnant (or even potentially pregnant) Kate seems too far fetched. Sun seems a much more likely target. We know she's pregnant and now they probably do too because of Locke.

As for the father of Sun's baby, given what we've seen the island do for inhabitants with health issues, it's plausible that Jin is the father after having his sterility cured by the island.

I don't think they know about Sun...how could they really? I mean they know a lot, but that one seems more like a .. it could be rather than a ..it is to them.
I like/dislike the concept of Kate. I mean it's a great story line to follow, but come on....it's Kate. There is certainly some more treachery to be played out here.

I think it's something completely different. Ben's one week deadline is in alignment with the finale, so I'm guessing that there's going to be another purge, similar to the war between Dharma and the Hostiles. Juliet is plant for this operation, and her finding out about Sun's baby will just be a bonus. I don't think the kidnapping Sun story is finale worthy.

Wow there has been so much brought up in this thread I couldn't even begin to respond to everything I wanted to!!! I think some of these theories about Kate are really interesting...didn't others call a Kate pregnancy a few weeks back after the Kate/Sawyer thing? Maybe this will turn into another Jack/Claire as siblings triumphant I TOLD YOU SO moment for some. ;) I think it's definitely a plausible theory.

I also think it could go either way with Sun. They seem to know an awful lot about everybody all the time (and they have cameras EVERYWHERE) so it seems like it should be easy to find out about her already. Perhaps Juliet's glance was a "I want her" look, or maybe they DON'T know and her explanation about the pregnancy deaths will make Kate feel very guilty until she spills the beans...

Of course since we have no idea about the problem with the deaths we have no clue about symptoms (except for what we saw happen to Claire which was after an implant--and was that implant relatively recent or was it planted way back when Ethan was there and if so how did they know that much in advance they'd need it??) so we can't try to work at it from that angle.

I definitely think Juliet is working for herself. We saw how badly she wants to leave, she's just a prisoner too. I think either a) Ben promised her a way home (do they honestly have no way except that ONE sub that has now been destroyed? does anyone believe that's the only one or that's the only way?) if she does ____ for him (maybe get another test subject and figure out their problem) or b) is she thinking of playing Ben for revenge or c) none of the above? I absolutely am convinced after last night that she has NO loyalty to Ben. She wants off and to go home and that's all that's driving her right now (which may be a good thing for the losties). Only time will tell..............

Don't forget this plan was Juliet's. Ben tried to convince her out of it.
And I think she's doing it for Sun.
And don't forget that everybody on the island knows about Sun being pregnant, including Locke. And God knows what Ben and Locke talked about after TMFT.

There's a Sun/Jin episode coming up two weeks from now...

For those who think Sun may be important to them, remember they shot at her several episodes back. I'm thinking it must be something else.

I think its Sun.

People say no she's not because people shot at her. Sun shot first. Maybe Tom only shot at her in revenge for Colleen. I mean if I was told to take a person in and that person ended up killing my friend I wouldn't be too concerned about that mission.

Sun could have easily concieved on the island which would make her more important to the others. Its all about the date of conception like Juliet said.

The title of Sun's episode is D.O.C - Date of Conception

Claire was important but she conceived off the island. Juliet is there to help women that concieve on the island. So Im going with Sun.

I would feel cheated if she was there for Kate. Im mean here we have Sun pregnant for ages and then Kate swoops in and robs her potential storyline. We see enough of Kate anyway.

Were they trying to take Sun back when she, Jin and Sayid were circling the island?

Were they trying to take Sun back when she, Jin and Sayid were circling the island?

No.. from what we could see they were after the sail boat.

I don't think they know about Sun...how could they really? I mean they know a lot, but that one seems more like a .. it could be rather than a ..it is to them.
I like/dislike the concept of Kate. I mean it's a great story line to follow, but come on....it's Kate. There is certainly some more treachery to be played out here.

I also like/dislike the Kate idea, but kudos to Caffreys for great posts about it.
I do think the Others know about Sun. I'm sure Locke told Ben, or they have cameras even monitoring the Losties. I wouldn't be surprised.

I think it's something completely different. Ben's one week deadline is in alignment with the finale, so I'm guessing that there's going to be another purge, similar to the war between Dharma and the Hostiles. Juliet is plant for this operation, and her finding out about Sun's baby will just be a bonus. I don't think the kidnapping Sun story is finale worthy.

I think Sun's potential storyline, in tandum with some kind of war with the Others would be great for the finale. Sun alone, I agree, is not good enough. But it's high time for her to be at the center of a crucial storyline. I think this is it.

For those who think Sun may be important to them, remember they shot at her several episodes back. I'm thinking it must be something else.

Well, they might not have known that she was pregnant until Locke potentially talked to Ben, so it still holds up. Plus Sun shot first.

I originally thought - "Oh, Juliet's there for Sun. Duh." But now I'm not so sure. While there are several ways for the Others to have found out about Sun, it doesn't seem as plausible - I mean, if they wanted Sun, why not grab her in addition to Sawyer, Kate, Jack, and Hurley?
And really, what good would a conception off-island do them, scientifically? I realize Jin COULD have been made fertile by the island, but look at the other two people we know who were cured - Locke and Rose. Spiritual people, believers - the only two people on the island with faith as a major factor in life. Jin doesn't seem to fit in with that group, and the writers set it up so that we knew there was an alternate explanation for Sun's pregnancy. I don't think Sun believes Jin is the father, either.

I think the discussion about setting up Kate to conceive is a great one - and an interesting idea. I forsee a Walt-like kidnapping finale - but I think it could easily be both Kate AND Sun, forcing Jin & Sawyer to band together.

What I DO know - this episode explained a LOT, but also raised some really exciting thoughts and questions, and I can't wait for next week!!!

I think its Sun. People say no she's not because people shot at her.

They shot at Sun before Locke turned -- and possibly told them about her pregnancy. This could be the reason Juliet took such a life-threatening risk in infitrating the Losties. It seems to make sense.

No, during an ABC promo that aired on US TV. It shows clips of the series ie Ben in surgery, with a voice over talking about Ben, and his role in the story... part of the voice over says that Jack discovers new things about Ben including that he WAS married to Juliet. As it's from ABC it seems this is a fact...

It has been something we have all speculated about since the beginning of knowing Juliette and i thought that we all decided it was true. Even though they have parted ways here...(i.e. divorce)

Just as much a fact as a few weeks ago when the island's three biggest questions were going to be answered. That was VERY far from fact. If you've got information on something that hasn't happened yet in the show and you think it is going to happen based on something you heard in a promo, that would be a SPOILER. So, how about some spoiler font on that post?

Exactly, Sioux! Even TPTB don't completely trust ABC's promos. :D

I think the one week deadline has something to do not just with a pregnancy confirmation , but that it's the timeframe for some sort of window to get off the island properly . They definitely have another way off, but it may be something that is either naturally occuring (according to tides,etc.) , or that needs to be scheduled. Ben would put the "schedule" around if he wanted to ensure his illusion of returning was successful. So, if in one week's time Juliet has a pregnant woman to turn in to the others she can go home. Ben may be desperate enough to get another live birth that he'll promise her anything (and she'll believe that he thinks Jacob can now fix the problem thanks to her research and success with Claire) and he obviously lies. She'll rendevouz at the whatever-port, and he'll kidnap both her and as yet unnamed mommy to be and they'll be on Alcatraz in the scary OB aquarium.

I felt last night was very close to revealing why and who the Others are. My belief is that Ben and some of the others are "native" people from either the "foot" people or the pirates and have indeed been born on the island. It is possible that the Dharma incident caused the effect of the women on the island not being able to conceive, or(and if TPTB have said no this isn't part of it, sorry) the x-rays of the woman's womb that Juliet looked at in the earlier epi that could not conceive is really a 76 year old woman who does not age on the island, but can't conceive as would be her age. The island being the fountain of youth.

Something that Mittelos Biosciences wants is under the control of Ben or Jacob on the island. Which is why they supplied Juliet to help the Ben-people continue their society because that is what Ben wants. He wants to stay on the island and does not want the native Ben-people/women to go off the island. I strongly feel that Jacob is Mittelos or Widmore and Alpert is Ben's handler who works for Mittelos.

Ben is some what precognitive I think, like Desmond and sometimes Locke, which could account for them being able to know so much, but like Desmond only in flashes, so they do not know everything, but channe the flashes and then go out and get the details.

I think Juliet will accomplish whatever it is Ben wants her to do and she is doing it as she did before so that he will let her off the island and go back home. This seems to be her motivation.

In a Lost week, which should be the season finale, Juliet will either die or go back to Ben. Sad if she dies because I like Juliet's character. I think she brings a strong and evil role to the series.

For those who think Sun may be important to them, remember they shot at her several episodes back. I'm thinking it must be something else.

This is one of the reasons I figured that Juliet is coming for Kate. Although, those who said that Ben might not have known about Sun's pregnancy when she was shot at make a very good point.

IMO, Juliet coming for Kate explains so much about what happened during her time at the Hydra. I always thought it weird that Kate was being treated so differently than Sawyer. Sawyer was getting the crap beat out of him every other hour. Kate gets a nice healthy breakfast, a shower, fresh clothes, etc. Even when Kate got mouthy with Picket, he stunned Sawyer, not her.

Anyway, I'm not a big fan at all of the idea that Kate is pregnant. It would be really weird to see the Kate we know pregnant, but at the same time, I think it would be an interesting direction in which to take her character--there's only so much TPTB can do with a love triangle story....

I just think that Juliet being at the beach for Sun is sooo obvious. This season has been nothing but a magic show of misdirection and interesting twists and turns: the book club scene where we think they're in a flashback, only to be on the island; the scene with Rachel where we think they're on the island, only to be in Miami; Desmond's flashback; Desmond trying to save Charlie, not Claire; Cooper being on the island; well, you get the point. I just think this is another attempt at misdirection. Juliet being there for Sun makes great sense, but I think it's just too obvious, ecpecially with the way this season has been going.

Remember the 2-week deadline from the miniseries? Well, Kate said to Jack that he was with the Others for 1 week, add another week until Ben and Juliet meet again, that's 2 weeks. What the heck is gonna happen at the end of those 2 weeks?

Jack is deceiving Juliette..
Juliette is deceiving Jack..
Juliette is also deceiving Ben...
My take:
Jack is deceiving Juliette..
Juliette is deceiving Jack..
Juliette thinks she is deceiving Ben.

Ben is deceiving everybody.

My take:
Jack is deceiving Juliette..
Juliette is deceiving Jack..
Juliette thinks she is deceiving Ben.

Ben is deceiving everybody.

My head Hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just as much a fact as a few weeks ago when the island's three biggest questions were going to be answered. That was VERY far from fact. If you've got information on something that hasn't happened yet in the show and you think it is going to happen based on something you heard in a promo, that would be a SPOILER. So, how about some spoiler font on that post?

Ummmmm...No this doesnt constitute a spoiler as this happened a very long time ago. Also in the first epi when we were introduced to Juliette in the mini season, Ben was referred to as her husband. Search around here...there were plenty of references to those two being married. It is not a spoiler.

And not for nothing they did answer 3 questions that week....search around for those highly debated questions threads...Many of us felt there were 3 questions answered...with more quesitons of course...

Exactly, Sioux! Even TPTB don't completely trust ABC's promos. :D

But this wasnt just in the promo...
I will ask a PTB and get back to you all...

here is my thread to Mr Nations...

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1492593#post1492593

IMO, Juliet coming for Kate explains so much about what happened during her time at the Hydra. I always thought it weird that Kate was being treated so differently than Sawyer. Sawyer was getting the crap beat out of him every other hour. Kate gets a nice healthy breakfast, a shower, fresh clothes, etc. Even when Kate got mouthy with Picket, he stunned Sawyer, not her.


I don't think Juliet is coming for Kate or that Kate's pregnant. Kate was treated differently in captivity because the idea was to break Jack by using his weakness (Kate) against him. Ben did that by orchestrating Kate and Sawyer getting together and he did that by the extreme violence against Sawyer. Kate is from an abusive background and she shut down emotionally having to witness it by the Os. They put her in a dress as a form of subjugation.

I don't think Juliet is coming for Kate or that Kate's pregnant. Kate was treated differently in captivity because the idea was to break Jack by using his weakness (Kate) against him. Ben did that by orchestrating Kate and Sawyer getting together and he did that by the extreme violence against Sawyer. Kate is from an abusive background and she shut down emotionally having to witness it by the Os. They put her in a dress as a form of subjugation.

These are all very good points. But I keep coming back to that "Jacob's list" comment and the fact that Jack wasn't on the list. However, Kate and Sawyer were on the list, which tells me that they wanted them for something else. It appears from the flashback we saw of Juliet and Ben in the Pearl that the Others planned on taking Kate and Sawyer prior to deciding to take Jack too. Jack was more of an after-thought b/c he was needed b/c of Ben's condition.

All this leads me to believe that what Kate and Sawyer were wanted for had nothing to do with Jack. The fact that Sawyer and Kate ended up being a motivation for Jack to do the surgery was an added bonus for Ben, kinda a kill two birds with one stone things, but b/c K&S were on the list tells me there were other plans for them.

These are all very good points. But I keep coming back to that "Jacob's list" comment and the fact that Jack wasn't on the list. However, Kate and Sawyer were on the list


It was never stated anywhere that Kate and Sawyer were on the list. Pickett only says that "Shephard wasn't even on Jacob's list;" he doesn't mention who actually is on it.

The only list we ever saw was the one that Ms. Klugh gave to Michael with the list of 4 people he was to bring back with him. That list named Jack, James (Sawyer), Kate and Hugo (Hurley). This was the only list we saw and Jack was on it, so this isn't the list Pickett is talking about.

The flashback with Juliet and Ben in the Pearl seems to indicate that it was Jack that they wanted, and Kate and Sawyer were taken as leverage -- the thing that Jack is emotionally invested in. That would make Kate, Sawyer and Hurely the afterthoughts, not Jack.

These are all very good points. But I keep coming back to that "Jacob's list" comment and the fact that Jack wasn't on the list. However, Kate and Sawyer were on the list, which tells me that they wanted them for something else. It appears from the flashback we saw of Juliet and Ben in the Pearl that the Others planned on taking Kate and Sawyer prior to deciding to take Jack too. Jack was more of an after-thought b/c he was needed b/c of Ben's condition.

All this leads me to believe that what Kate and Sawyer were wanted for had nothing to do with Jack. The fact that Sawyer and Kate ended up being a motivation for Jack to do the surgery was an added bonus for Ben, kinda a kill two birds with one stone things, but b/c K&S were on the list tells me there were other plans for them.

I will have to say that the comment made in episode 6 about JACOBS LIST was misused. I know there are NO MISTAKES in LOST, but I think the writers just took a chance because it was the end of the mini-season to throw in a name out there like JACOB.

The main person Ben always wanted was Jack (recall Expose), where they went to the hatch while Paulo was in the restroom. Ben always wanted Jack, Kate & Sawyer were pretty much brought to resolve the triangle in the story.

I will have to find a post to discuss Jacobs list, but it seems that list is not taken to seriously anymore since Kate has been let go twice. And I would have to suspect Sayid is on the list as well...and was also let go.
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And to reply to the TOPIC:

I like the idea that Juliette is infiltrating the camp for the Shepards, that would be really cool.

But it seems she might be going for SUN. It is time SUN-JIN get some love this season.


In a couple of episodes we will see an SUN-JIN episode, called DOC: Date of Conception. Which will revolve around Sun's baby and probably Juliette trying to get to it.

I don't know if she is coming for Sun or Claire or Aaron. But I do think the twist may include Kate. This is how I see what's going on: They needed to try Juliet's treatment on a pregnant woman on the island, right? Of course they didn't want to risk their own women's lives, so a pregnant woman falling from the sky was a dream come true for The Others and Juliet (since the faster she finds a solution, the faster she was supposed to go home. Could this be another reference to the 'magic box'?) Of course, at that moment, The Others weren't sure if, like Juliet had suggested, the problem originates at conception. So they decided to kidnap Claire to find out if Juliet's theory was right. And yes, they found nothing wrong with Claire's pregnancy. So obviously Juliet was right. So what to do next? Ok, we know that Claire was implanted during her time with The Others, right? Why implanted her if you weren't gonna let her go? Yes, you are right, They set up her escape using Alex who may or may not have been on it...Perhaps she was told that they were gonna have to cut her open to get the baby out before it was too late or somthing like that. Now Ethan trying to get her back puzzles me...I still have to figure out his reasons.
Anyways, the second part of Ben and probably Juliet's plan was to include Kate and Sawyer together with Jack because, somehow, they learned about their love triangle ...And we already know the rest...Kate and Sawyer in a cage....
Ben and Juliet got what their wanted. Perhaps, somehow, they injected some drug in them to highly increase the possibilities of Kate becoming pregnant.
So now they just have to wait some time to start treating Kate with Juliet's serum. That may be the reason why they let Kate go. It makes no sense to keep it there against her will for who knows how many months until Juliet can start injecting Kate with her magic serum. Perhaps Kate herself was implanted with something similar to what they put in Claire, so when the moment arrives, Juliet can play the hero again and gain Kate's trust completely.
I don't think Juliet knows about Sun being pregnant. But when she does, it might even make her change plans suddenly, probably until she finds out about the conception thing. Sun is gonna have to admit that the baby is not Jin's and that she is not gonna die. So this new piece of information is gonna shake Kate a little bit. If all women that get pregnant ON the island DIE before giving birth...Could Kate suspect that she may be pregnant? Is she gonna die then? There you have it! Ben got what he wanted again: a new test subject to help them find a solution to their terrible problem. And, of course, Kate is gonna have to cooperate if she doesn't want her and her baby to die.

I'm going to be really peeved if the two purposes for women on the island turn out to be 1) have babies or 2) die.

Cardie

Count me in with everyone else who thinks Kate is at least one of Juliet's targets. (Glad to see I'm not the only one thinking this!) I totally agree with all of the arguements made in favor of this theory. My only addition is that perhaps Kate hasn't conceived yet, and Juliet is there to make sure it happens and moniter Kate when it does (remember she told Ben that the problem occurs at conception, in that case Sun may not be as useful because they couldn't have monitered her when she conceived.)

As to the question of why they would release Kate a second time if they want her, I think we have to remember Ben's statement about "they have to want to..." in regards to getting Sawyer/Jack/Kate to come to them. (I think he originally hoped that Michael would convince J/S/K to willingly exchange themselves for Walt's freedom, of course it didn't pan out that way...) I think their ultimate goal is to get Kate to want to keep the pregnancy and to come to Juliet for help. ("wanting to" might have powerful connotations on the island that we aren't aware of yet.)

I think Juliet will become interested in Sun's case, however, if she learns that Sun conceived just before coming to the island. Remember how she tried to convince Ben to let her take a woman off the island to conceive? Well, if Sun did conceive off the island only shortly before arriving and her pregnancy turns out to be healthy, Juliet might use that as leverage against Ben's unwillingness to let anyone leave the island.

I think Juliet is also there to gather as much info as she can, and to stir up as much dissention as she can. Ben has to realize that this is his last chance to infiltrate the losties' camp, because they've done it twice before, so most likely he's given Juliet several objectives, but I think the pregnancy issue is probably the main one. Juliet is already making the losties distrust Jack's judgement (especially when she acts all sweet and nice to him, but condescending and cold to Sawyer and Sayid), so she's effectively undermining the leadership. I don't doubt that she's also keen to find out who Desmond is, since he's the only one who wasn't on the flight list. The only thing that I kind of doubt is that she would try to kidnapp Aaron. I think if they desperately wanted Aaron they could have taken him at any time (especially when Danielle supposedly kidnapped him to exchange for Alex).

No, during an ABC promo that aired on US TV. It shows clips of the series ie Ben in surgery, with a voice over talking about Ben, and his role in the story... part of the voice over says that Jack discovers new things about Ben including that he WAS married to Juliet. As it's from ABC it seems this is a fact...

It has been something we have all speculated about since the beginning of knowing Juliette and i thought that we all decided it was true. Even though they have parted ways here...(i.e. divorce)

Just as much a fact as a few weeks ago when the island's three biggest questions were going to be answered. That was VERY far from fact. If you've got information on something that hasn't happened yet in the show and you think it is going to happen based on something you heard in a promo, that would be a SPOILER. So, how about some spoiler font on that post?

Ummmmm...No this doesnt constitute a spoiler as this happened a very long time ago. Also in the first epi when we were introduced to Juliette in the mini season, Ben was referred to as her husband. Search around here...there were plenty of references to those two being married. It is not a spoiler.

OK, first of all: if you think a post should be spoiler fonted, please report it so a mod can take care of it if necessary! Do not take matters into your own hands, especially since the OP might not be back in the thread and/or might not see your post until much later and other people could be spoiled in the meantime. And yes, if something hasn't happened in an actual episode, but has only been mentioned in a promo, it still could be spoiler!
As for the whole "Juliet and Ben are married"-thing: I did a search of the ATOTC-section and found this thread on the subject (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=58926) and some posts in this thread (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?p=1193984#post1193984). As you can see, the whole speculation was only based on people mishearing part of the dialogue, there was no mention of Juliet and Ben being married in that episode at all!

They have two reasons to get Sun: She is pregnant, and she killed one of the Others. That's my theory.

They have two reasons to get Sun: She is pregnant, and she killed one of the Others. That's my theory.

Yeah I agree they want her because shes pregnant, but do they know she killed Colleen and do they know Charlie killed Ethan.

I think they plan to kidnap Sun...another reason (or maybe the real reason) that Juliett shot and killed (I can't remember his name) who was about to kill Sawyer. Juliett and Ben likely knew that he would try to kill Sun when they brought her back to camp for killing....sorry, I can't remember her name either--the chick on the boat.

Danny/Colleen
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She is certainly not to be trusted....what motivates her though? her desire to go home?
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I have to think of Juliette as a con person...even though I think Jack saw into her soul when he saw her eyes....
She is an attractive woman and she married Ben!!! ICK!!!
did she decieve ben into marriage???

she married ben? when?

Yeah I agree they want her because shes pregnant, but do they know she killed Colleen and do they know Charlie killed Ethan.
But how are the Others supposed to know that Sun is pregnant? Only the people on the beach know it, and my guess is not even all of them know it yet. If it's not common knowledge, how do they know? How could they have constant surveillance on the losties to find out that kind of information?
So I don't think Juliet's after Sun specifically, not yet at least. I think she's there to gather general information, and in a week when she meets Ben he'll make up a new masterplan on how to proceed :biggrin:

I don't think she's [Juliette's] simply working for the Others, she's working for herself.

Absolutely agree with you.

Don't forget this plan was Juliet's. Ben tried to convince her out of it.
And I think she's doing it for Sun.
And don't forget that everybody on the island knows about Sun being pregnant, including Locke. And God knows what Ben and Locke talked about after TMFT.

There's a Sun/Jin episode coming up two weeks from now...

I think it's important to watch how she treats Sun. The Others should want Sun dead for killing Colleen. If they don't punish her (there pretty unforgiving), then they want her for pregnancy testing.

I think Juliette is there to see if any other women are pregnant.
They've been on the island long enough that if any came on the island in the very early stages of being pregnant they would either know or supect they are by now.

Plus as it is with human nature, people are probably starting to pair up in couples. So there could be other women who are pregnant.
After Juliettes little story about the pregnant women dying, it's only a matter of time before someone tells her about Sun.

Expanding on your theory...this could set up this season's cliffhanger. What if Juliet could convince Jack that taking Kate back to the Others is the only way to save her life. So he helps Juliet to kidnap Kate.

But it also seems to me that they could have found out if Kate was pregnant when they had her captive in Otherville and kept her if she was.

Just a few thoughts.

...but than they would not have gain access to Sun. If you remember, the others did try to capture Sun, so maybe they knew that she was pregnant, and they might have known about her affair with Jae, considering Colleen told Sun that she know she not a murder....Sun had a gun pointed dead at her, so how was Colleen so sure that Sun wasn't a murder, unless she had information on Sun..also I starting to think that Sun might have gotten pregnant prior to coming to the island. Sun was aware that their was a pregnancy test kit on the plane... I think the only reason why Sun was aware of the kit, is because she had brought it with her. Maybe she purchase the kit at the airport prior to getting on the plane.

Plus as it is with human nature, people are probably starting to pair up in couples. So there could be other women who are pregnant.

True. But on the other hand Kate is the only one that they know for sure, who would not be on birth control, considering that they likely test both Kate and Sawyer..and since they took everything they had away from them, they are sure that would not have had a condom handy.

I think the Kate/Sawyer angle is the one with the most legs. Who knows when Sun got pregnant? However stick two people in CAGES and watch them and you know exactly when pregnancy occured. It's a very controlled environment, unlike the beach where you couldn't keep an eye on everything, people can always disappear into bushes and make babies. Its a very scientific way of doing things.

I think that's why they were taken in the first place.
1) To get Kate pregnant (who knows what was in that food Kate was given? Fertility agents?)
2) To manipulate Jack. I wonder if this was just a bonus effect.

In a way I hope I'm wrong. The way Kate hugged Sawyer last week and it was returned - there's an interesting thing going on there. I'm almost becoming a shipper!

"[quote=EmptyJar;1486151]Ya know, I think this all shows that Ben DOES lie... first off, as was mentioned above, Ben told Alex her mother was dead. This would make sense to his story that women who try to conceive and give birth die on the island. But Danielle gave birth to Alex (I am thinking this occurred on-island) and survived. It makes me wonder if she could have also conceived on the island. If Juliet had known that Alex's mother was still alive she might want to take blood samples, or run tests, etc. But she didn't (or at least I really have seen no notion that Juliet knows of Danielle).

This makes me wonder if it depends on the island lifestyle, Danielle lives more like Locke seems to want to: off the island, keeping to herself not using 'modern conveniences' and such that ruin the 'experience.' And she's alive, 16 years and fine. Perhaps there is something in the natural food on the island that has an effect on this condition?"

- but maybe the Others don't know Rosseau is alive, surely if they did they would worry she'd come for Alex and cause trouble? Also, does Ben not want Alex to see Karl in case she gets pregnant...?

Absolutely agree with you.



I think it's important to watch how she treats Sun. The Others should want Sun dead for killing Colleen. If they don't punish her (there pretty unforgiving), then they want her for pregnancy testing.

I don't think they seek revenge. Like I said before, Ben could have easily killed Sayid when they captured him. But he didn't.

Okay going on the theory that Juliette is there to watch Kate. The symptons show up so fast that I guess it will only take 1 week before Kate gets sick, if she did infact concive.

Finding out Sun is pregnant would be a bonus for her.

A couple of things don't make any sense.
First Juilette said Claire started showing symptons of getting sick, that is why Ethan was giving her the shots. Or actually didn't she say they found out after they tested her blood? So the symptons weren't visable yet.
So any pregnant woman on the island is going to get sick no matter if they concived there or not?

So why isn't Sun sick? Even if she did concive on the island and the baby is Jins. It's been more then 1 week island time since she found out she is pregnant.

And I wonder how in the world Juliette is going to get a blood sample out of Kate if that is what it takes?

Okay going on the theory that Juliette is there to watch Kate. The symptons show up so fast that I guess it will only take 1 week before Kate gets sick, if she did infact concive.

Finding out Sun is pregnant would be a bonus for her.

A couple of things don't make any sense.
First Juilette said Claire started showing symptons of getting sick, that is why Ethan was giving her the shots. Or actually didn't she say they found out after they tested her blood? So the symptons weren't visable yet.
So any pregnant woman on the island is going to get sick no matter if they concived there or not?

So why isn't Sun sick? Even if she did concive on the island and the baby is Jins. It's been more then 1 week island time since she found out she is pregnant.

And I wonder how in the world Juliette is going to get a blood sample out of Kate if that is what it takes?

Juliet lied. As simple as that. Claire was never in danger of dying from being pregnant. But of course, the others didnt know that until they captured her and test her. She was a test subject to confirm Juliet's theory that the problem happens at conception. Once they found that out, they set up Claire escape using Alex, but of course, they implanted her first. Everything was planned from the beginning by BEN.

Yes, her goal could definitely still be to get at the Shephards, which puts Claire, Aaron and Jack all at risk still. To me, the question is this: What is the Others' goal? To see if babies can survive on the island and how they'll grow up there (will they get tumors, etc.)? Or is their goal to simply see if they can get on-island women to conceive and carry to term? If we can figure out their goal, then we can figure out who Juliet is after, I guess.

But Juliet's motivation, to me, is to do whatever she has to do to get off the island. So the question is: what does Ben need her to do? If she fulfills it, then she can go (maybe).

Oh, and I DO NOT believe at all that Ethan was working alone. I think she was there all along, helping him.

I agree with you. Juliet will do whatever it takes to get off the Island, and yes, I believe she helped Ethan. Heck, he brought her to the Island and seemed to be in the same medical field as her. But dont forget, juliet didnt just put life where there was none, her sister also had a cancerous brain tumor and she had developped a serum that temporarily put her into remission...Juliet's one smart (and good looking) woman! Too bad she's being a :censored: right now. I wouldnt be surprised if Ju's suppose to implant Sun AND kidnap Aaron, but whatever it is, it's going to make the rest of season three oh so more intense!!! 29 hours to go for us in Canada, and counting....

Yeah I agree they want her because shes pregnant, but do they know she killed Colleen and do they know Charlie killed Ethan.

Well, Juliet knows that they killed Ethan because Hurley told her...but I do not think anyone knows that Sun was the one who killed Colleen. I do not think that Jin even knows what Sun did on the boat. Did Sayid, or Jin ever find out that Sun killed Colleen?

And I wonder how in the world Juliette is going to get a blood sample out of Kate if that is what it takes?

Well, after Juliet saved Claire's life, and told everyone what happen to pregnant women on the island, she was able to establish two things.1. being " Trust" ( because she save Claire's life) and 2 . Being "Fear" ( all the pregnant on the island had died ....those two things along would most likely make both Kate and Sun turn to Juliet, when they feel sick, or have a problem. So if Kate start worrying about missing her period, or get morning sickness (..although it too early ) than she likely to turn to Juliet.

Just something to think about as Juliet spends a week on Lostie beach. I don't think she, or the Others, know about Desmond nor his "ability" to see into the future. I will be curious to see if Desmond foresees what Juliet is up to or protects the Losties from Juliet.

Personally, I think she's there to continue the Kate/Sawyer lovemaking experiment, to see if she's pregnant, which Juliet may already know since Kate was being held by the Others, and then use her as a test case, which is what it seems the whole Kate/Sawyer in a cage was about. Remember the guy whose girlfriend was killed beat the snot out of Sawyer. He kept asking "do you love her?" They were put there to mate and now Juliet is there to follow the progress. Maybe Juliet only needs 6 days to do her work, which will probably be to do something to Kate, then wait to see if she does not have the immunoresponse later which kills pregnant women. The question is will the entire week go by in the next episode or will it go by one day and episode ... ughh.