Was that the same symbol the Others branded her with?

When I saw that I figured she was still with them.

What was the wooden plaque with the symbol that was embedded in the tree, which beneath had the medical supplies? It seemed a bit out of place, but regardless, I'm anxious for a screen shot of the actual symbol.

The tree symbol reminded me of Juliette's brand.

Yeah definitely her marking. Wonder what the heck it means.

Yeah, I think it was the same as Juliet's "mark."

Looks like wheat, bundled, to me...

I've got a better question, What are the chances that Sayid and Sawyer noticed the mark on the tree?

did the losties never see trees with those markings in thier travels?

I've got a better question, What are the chances that Sayid and Sawyer noticed the mark on the tree?

Yeah, that is a good question. The tree really stuck out anyway. It just seemed a little awkward, like if you pressed the mark on the tree the Keebler elves would come out.

If that was her making then I guess that whole "trial" she had to go through was a bunch of bull, made up for jacks benefit. Another one of Bens cons probably to get Jack to trust her. If thats the case I wonder what it really means? I don't think anyone on this board reseached that symbol.

The symbol reminded me a bit of the zodiac sign for Pisces.

I also think that it looks like the mark on Juliet. But now I have to wonder if all of the Other aren't similarly marked. Maybe they were conning Jack to make him think that it was some sort of punishment or banishment.

Yeah "lostnthesoutheast" you could be right. DHARMA has their symbol, and the OTHERS have theirs! If this is true then Jack has been duped AGAIN haha

Similar to Juliet's mark but I'm not so sure it was the same. Need screencaps.

I don't think Sayid and Sawyer noticed it. They were more intent on Juliet and her actions, than looking at a tree. I'd like to think Sayid would be observant enough, but I highly doubt Sawyer would be.

I also think that it looks like the mark on Juliet. But now I have to wonder if all of the Other aren't similarly marked. Maybe they were conning Jack to make him think that it was some sort of punishment or banishment.

Yeah, I'm having to rethink everything we've already seen of Juliet. Were her actions towards Jack in captivity all planned as a way to gain his trust, i.e. her brand wasn't really a punishment? It pretty much seems like that.

I agree Zoe.. but I've always thought that. Basically I think she's a good person, but has to do certain morally questionable things if she wants to get off of the island/see her sister etc.

I'm going to guess that Sayid probably saw the mark on the tree because he's just the type to notice.

It looked alot like the big tree from 3x05: The Cost of Living (just before Eko spoke with Yemi). I wonder if that was intentional.

I also think that it looks like the mark on Juliet. But now I have to wonder if all of the Other aren't similarly marked. Maybe they were conning Jack to make him think that it was some sort of punishment or banishment.
Well never one to disparage anyone's theories since everyone I have ever come up with has caused me to fall flat on my face but didn't Jack operate on Ben's back? I would think he would notice teh mark.

Wait a minute what if it's only the women that are marked? Damn it, this show has me debating myself now!

I agree with those who think the symbol on the tree is the same as the symbol that was "branded" on Juliet. A badge of honor instead of a sign of banishment. Very telling. It would seem that the whole killing Ben charade was the last test before she was truly accepted by the Others. The key will be to see if she's truly loyal to Ben and the Others or if she has her own agenda.

I've got a better question, What are the chances that Sayid and Sawyer noticed the mark on the tree?
They probably won't realize what they've seen until they see that symbol somewhere else - like maybe on Juliet's back...

Yeah, that is a good question. The tree really stuck out anyway. It just seemed a little awkward, like if you pressed the mark on the tree the Keebler elves would come out.
That's an image I'll keep having in my mind the rest of the night. :biggrin:

It looked alot like the big tree from 3x05: The Cost of Living (just before Eko spoke with Yemi). I wonder if that was intentional.

I was thinking that tree looked an awful lot like the tree where Walt climbed up to escape from the polar bear. (I think in Special.) I'll need to watch those episodes again.

I definately think it was the same mark as on Juliet.

I just assumed it was to mark where the supplies were... I'll have to rethink that.

Anyone have a screenshot?

Perhaps Symbol 11:10 from http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html ?

We'll need screencaps to be sure, but I'm pretty sure it was not the same mark. Juliet's was kind of a starburst and in my memory, the mark on the tree was something like this: ))((
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Perhaps Symbol 11:10 from http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html ?

I think that's it!

Symbol on tree (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x16-oneofus/2/oneofuscap-654.jpg)

can't remember what the symbol looked like that they branded Juliet with....
but I'm searching for the screencap.
Does anyone remember what episode that was?
Stranger in a Strange Land maybe?

BTW.... Sure looks the same as the one you posted Briolette. Good find!

ETA...... here's Juliet's Brand
Juliet's Mark (http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x09-stranger/2/stranger-cap-800.jpg)

Looks the same to me :biggrin:

Yes, I agree, It definitely looks like the same mark now that I see the actual screencaps.

It doesn't look exactly the same to me but close as brand can probably be. The Top bar still looks longer on Juliet's brand.

Coming back for more ideas...I posted this elsewhere when I rethought about the symbol.
http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=75617&page=8

I thought it was this symbol:
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html
but not.

Looking at Juliet's brand, it is easier to see that the side 'lines' are actually curved, which means tree symbol and brand match. Does it look like the Pisces symbol with the line down the middle as it does to me ?
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/116.html

All very interesting when you think of the symbolic symbol of the fish !
...especially in reference to the ancient symbol and its significance:

Quote:
The graph symbolizes two fish swimming in opposite directions, with the two dots meaning water. Pisces is a water sign.

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/08/0811.html

So anyone think that the symbol of the two fishes going in opposite directions may have some sort of reference to Christ and the anti-christ ?

Lots of black/white, good/bad references on this show, that would be the ultimate one.

Perhaps Symbol 11:10 from http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html ?

Good catch! It's definitely the same symbol.

The stuff about Uranus and and "Planet Ummo" was creepy.
Maybe the dish on the flame station is pointing, not at a satellite,
but at
<cue spooky music>
Earth?

did the losties never see trees with those markings in thier travels?

Nice. I was thinking the mark was fairly large. On the other hand, the marking was made very recently, and would have been entirely meaningless to the Losties.

Does anyone have a screencap of it yet? For some reason I remember it as a fleur de lis...

Here ya go .....read this .... It was also used by a UFO cult called the UMMOITES...it describes the symbol in Wikipedia:

Ummo or Ummoism describes a series of decades-long claims that aliens from the planet Ummo were communicating with persons on the earth.

Most Ummo information was in the form of many detailed documents and letters sent to various esoteric groups or UFO enthusiasts. The Ummo affair called Ummoism was subject to much mainstream attention in France and Spain during the 1960's and 1970's, and a degree of interest remains regarding the subject.

General consensus is that the Ummoism was an elaborate hoax. The culprit (or culprits) is unknown, but a José Luis Jordán Peña has claimed responsibility for instigating the Ummoism.

However, some contend there may be at least a measure of truth in the matter, and there are a few small groups of devotees, such as "a strange Bolivian cult called the Daughters of Ummo". Another group, which claims a more scientific approach to the question of whether Ummo is a hoax or not, has set up a website in which one can find the materials on which is based the Ummo story, and some analysis of this documentation (ummo-sciences.org). One person of this group claims to have understood the fundamentals of the language of UMMO, which is present in the texts in the form of what we would call words or sometimes expressions . He contends that the structure of their language is inherently different from the structure of any language on Earth, and has published a book on the subject.

In the letters, the Ummites relate their story and claim to have landed on Earth in March 1950 in the southern French département of Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, in the area of Digne-les-Bains. Reports mention three spacecraft with some explorers coming from their planet. They describe how they found our planet, their arrival on Earth, analysis of our habits, their language, and scientific descriptions of their activities.

The Ummites write that they first visited Earth in 1950 as a small group of scientist-explorers. Their goals were the study of our biosphere, atmosphere and culture. They explain how they discovered the Earth by chance, thanks to a Morse radio message sent by a Norwegian ship 15 years prior to their landing, and also describe scientific data from their planetary system, including its gravity, orbit, revolution period, sizes, and information about their star.

The Ummites were amazed, seeing our multi-cultural society, and also the social disorder so prevalent on Earth. They explain their civilization is older than ours, with appropriately advanced technology, and they will not disturb our social evolution.

Regardless of any ultimate explanation, the Ummoism is one of the most intriguing (and most detailed) UFO-related events in recent decades.


Weird huh?

Ummmmmm .... not sure I believe

it looked like the threading of a basketball to me...

Thanks for tall of the great screet shots and the links to symbol databases. This is awesome. Now . . . why on earth is the symbol burned into a plaque and embedded into a tree?

Nice. I was thinking the mark was fairly large. On the other hand, the marking was made very recently, and would have been entirely meaningless to the Losties.

Not to Jack. I wonder if he'll have any reason to venture out there.

I wonder if the Others implanted a chip in Juliet. She killed one of their own, she is not worthy of trust anymore, so they gave her an incentive to behave. They can activate the chip if she betrays them again. This also would have been useful if she went off-island as Ben promised - if she told anyone about the island, they could have activated the chip.

Here ya go .....read this .... It was also used by a UFO cult called the UMMOITES...it describes the symbol in Wikipedia:

Ummo or Ummoism describes a series of decades-long claims that aliens from the planet Ummo were communicating with persons on the earth.

Most Ummo information was in the form of many detailed documents and letters sent to various esoteric groups or UFO enthusiasts. The Ummo affair called Ummoism was subject to much mainstream attention in France and Spain during the 1960's and 1970's, and a degree of interest remains regarding the subject.

General consensus is that the Ummoism was an elaborate hoax. The culprit (or culprits) is unknown, but a José Luis Jordán Peña has claimed responsibility for instigating the Ummoism.

However, some contend there may be at least a measure of truth in the matter, and there are a few small groups of devotees, such as "a strange Bolivian cult called the Daughters of Ummo". Another group, which claims a more scientific approach to the question of whether Ummo is a hoax or not, has set up a website in which one can find the materials on which is based the Ummo story, and some analysis of this documentation (ummo-sciences.org). One person of this group claims to have understood the fundamentals of the language of UMMO, which is present in the texts in the form of what we would call words or sometimes expressions . He contends that the structure of their language is inherently different from the structure of any language on Earth, and has published a book on the subject.

In the letters, the Ummites relate their story and claim to have landed on Earth in March 1950 in the southern French département of Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, in the area of Digne-les-Bains. Reports mention three spacecraft with some explorers coming from their planet. They describe how they found our planet, their arrival on Earth, analysis of our habits, their language, and scientific descriptions of their activities.

The Ummites write that they first visited Earth in 1950 as a small group of scientist-explorers. Their goals were the study of our biosphere, atmosphere and culture. They explain how they discovered the Earth by chance, thanks to a Morse radio message sent by a Norwegian ship 15 years prior to their landing, and also describe scientific data from their planetary system, including its gravity, orbit, revolution period, sizes, and information about their star.

The Ummites were amazed, seeing our multi-cultural society, and also the social disorder so prevalent on Earth. They explain their civilization is older than ours, with appropriately advanced technology, and they will not disturb our social evolution.

Regardless of any ultimate explanation, the Ummoism is one of the most intriguing (and most detailed) UFO-related events in recent decades.


Weird huh?

thats what i found too ,guys!!iguess that must be the answer!

thats what i found too ,guys!!iguess that must be the answer!

Why not? It's no weirder than smokey. http://www.ummoism.com/

Plus, you've got a french connection to tie in Rousseau, and this guy Petit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Pierre_Petit who's into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics. Lot's of good stuff for theorists here.

I think this might be Ethan's symbol. When Ben and Juliet were talking at the end, Juliet said she would need supplies. Ben said that Price was already on it and he would leave the case at Ethan's rendez-vous point.

Check this out if you want to know what the symbol might mean...

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/more/lost-316-one-of-us-easter-eggs-5718.aspx

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html

Perhaps Symbol 11:10 from http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html ?

Hey, Briolette, did you get that reference from Lostpedia? I was just wondering since I posted it there this morning. :biggrin:

I thought it was this symbol:
http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html
but not.

Looking at Juliet's brand, it is easier to see that the side 'lines' are actually curved, which means tree symbol and brand match. Does it look like the Pisces symbol with the line down the middle as it does to me ?

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/116.html

All very interesting when you think of the symbolic symbol of the fish !
...especially in reference to the ancient symbol and its significance:

Quote:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/08/0811.html

So anyone think that the symbol of the two fishes going in opposite directions may have some sort of reference to Christ and the anti-christ ?

Lots of black/white, good/bad references on this show, that would be the ultimate one.

I have used the Symbols.com site quite a bit in my capacity as a professional reference librarian. You might be surprised how often someone will be trying to look up what a particular symbol stands for, or what its historical useage has been. So when I saw this symbol last night I went to the Symbols.com site and tried to look it up. The conclusion I reached is that the symbol that we saw on the tree - which really looks like it matches Juliet's brand mark on her back - is NOT, repeat NOT - in the Symbols.com site anywhere. I searched quite extensively in that database, and the closest symbol I could find (which is symbol 11:10 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html) that you first mention) that would match the one on the tree was NOT an exact match.

The symbols you have suggested above are also not matches, either. Sorry, I mean no offense, but they are not the same as the mark on the tree. The mark on the tree is NOT the sign of Pisces. Neither does it have to do with the Christ/Antichrist theme. When it comes to symbols, you have to be very careful to make genaralizations. Sometimes generalizations are okay, but most of the time they are not. In this case I would say that to conclude that the symbol on the tree is either the Pisces symbol (which would be 11:6 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/116.html)) or the Ammonium Salt symbol (symbol 11:10 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html)) would be an error, and it looks absolutely nothing like the symbol 8:11 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/08/0811.html). If anything, it is MUCH CLOSER of a match to 11:10 than it is to 11:6...

In my opinion...

At any rate, I still haven't found the exact match for this symbol. I'm still looking. I'll be digging through print resources in the next week in the reference section of the library, and I'll see whether I can find anything that is a match.

Until then, or until someone else finds the matching symbol, we really don't know what it is. But I just don't believe for a moment it has anything at all to do with the Christ/Antichrist theme...

In the interim, I've been reading up on this Italian sect founded by David Lazzaretti at the end of the nineteenth century that used symbol 11:10... So far I can only find sites on the Internet that are written in Italian, which when I put them through the online translator give a very rough approximation to what is being talked about. This sect is fascinating in regards to how it might have some relationship to the original settlers of the Island and the community they may have formed, or for that matter, the influence that it might have had on some of the early characters in Lost we've been told about (the old sea captain turned Scotch whisky maker and Alvar Hanso's grandfather). I'm still not convinced that the 11:10 symbol is the same one on the tree, but this thing about the David Lazzaretti sect has sort of taken me into a very fascinating place, so I confess I'm a little side tracked for now. Anyway, if I do find anything solid, I'll be sure to let you guys know...
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Check this out if you want to know what the symbol might mean...

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/more/lost-316-one-of-us-easter-eggs-5718.aspx

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html

It is neither of those symbols, sorry...;)

Billy Shears, that you tube is a fake. It his her lines from another tv show put over clips of Lost.



I just took the mark on the tree as their signal to her to find the supplies. I figured it was put there when they put the supplies there. I don't think that Julliette always had the mark, it looked like a fresh burn and I think Jack would have noticed if it was old seeing he is a dr. I think the Others just used it for her to find the stash.

Hey, Briolette, did you get that reference from Lostpedia? I was just wondering since I posted it there this morning. :biggrin:



I have used the Symbols.com site quite a bit in my capacity as a professional reference librarian. You might be surprised how often someone will be trying to look up what a particular symbol stands for, or what its historical useage has been. So when I saw this symbol last night I went to the Symbols.com site and tried to look it up. The conclusion I reached is that the symbol that we saw on the tree - which really looks like it matches Juliet's brand mark on her back - is NOT, repeat NOT - in the Symbols.com site anywhere. I searched quite extensively in that database, and the closest symbol I could find (which is symbol 11:10 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html) that you first mention) that would match the one on the tree was NOT an exact match.

The symbols you have suggested above are also not matches, either. Sorry, I mean no offense, but they are not the same as the mark on the tree. The mark on the tree is NOT the sign of Pisces. Neither does it have to do with the Christ/Antichrist theme. When it comes to symbols, you have to be very careful to make genaralizations. Sometimes generalizations are okay, but most of the time they are not. In this case I would say that to conclude that the symbol on the tree is either the Pisces symbol (which would be 11:6 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/116.html)) or the Ammonium Salt symbol (symbol 11:10 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/11/1110.html)) would be an error, and it looks absolutely nothing like the symbol 8:11 (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/08/0811.html). If anything, it is MUCH


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It is neither of those symbols, sorry...;)


Alright then, you can keep wasting your time if you want...but I think that is it.

Hey, Briolette, did you get that reference from Lostpedia? I was just wondering since I posted it there this morning. :biggrin:
Bri posted it last night, the time is on the post.

Alright then, you can keep wasting your time if you want...but I think that is it.

That which is it? I mean, we've had about 4 or 5 possible symbols mentioned here... Please elaborate.

At any rate, I find great satisfaction in delving into various and sundry side-tracks as I dig for stuff about Lost. I have discovered some very fascinating things in the past while doing so as a fringe benefit to my curiousity while tracking down what has turned out to be a false lead in some Lost related subject. Far from being a "waste of time", such endeavors are pure pleasure for the likes of me... But then again, to each his own, no? ;)
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Bri posted it last night, the time is on the post.

Well, my apologies! But hey, I'm delighted someone else not only knows about, but uses the Symbols.com database! I tip my hat to you Bri, for being first to post the symbol... :)

Billy Shears, that you tube is a fake. It his her lines from another tv show put over clips of Lost.

I removed it. Thanks for the correction.

The symbol looks most (to me) like a Cyrillic letter, sounding like "zh". I don't have my Russian keyboard at home, but someone must be able to find it. Obviously like any letter it could stand for a number of things.

I thought Juliet's scar looked alot more like http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/03/0329.html
03:29 · Modern Russian political symbol, further information about its meaning pending

Maybe different others had different symbols - their own alphabet like the ancient civilizations.

Well, my apologies! But hey, I'm delighted someone else not only knows about, but uses the Symbols.com database! I tip my hat to you Bri, for being first to post the symbol... :)I'm sorry. I didn't mean for it to sound snippy, I was just answering the question you asked.:biggrin:

I think the reason Juliet's scar is pretty debated is because the lines of it are all swollen and it's really hard to make out. However, considering that that symbol on the tree was shown, I think we can conclude they are one in the same. If you really analyze the one on Juliet's back, you can see it's not really a cross or a star like figure, it's more like the one on the tree. I know a lot of people were comparing her scar to the Cadbury egg symbol, but I think it's the same on as on the tree. :)

Was that the same symbol the Others branded her with?

When I saw that I figured she was still with them.

I noticed that too! I was pretty sure it was the same mark. They certainly showed it to us long enough, so you know it means something.
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I guess that whole "trial" she had to go through was a bunch of bull, made up for jack's benefit. Another one of Ben's cons probably to get Jack to trust her.
Oh, I definitely agree. I thought that whole trial scenario looked fake. And Jack is such an easy person to con...as bad as Locke, in his way.

But now I have to wonder if all of the Other aren't similarly marked.
I'm unsure...it looked to me like Juliet's marking was very fresh...infected. She's been there 3 yrs, so she'd have had one before now if it was something all the Others had. IMO.


Symbol on tree[/URL]

ETA...... here's Juliet's Brand
Looks the same to me :biggrin:

Thank you for posting those, to satisfy our curiosity.

Now that I look at the screen caps, I'm not so sure they're the same. I mean, I understand what everyone is saying, and the theories are interesting, don't get me wrong. but I think that the lines on the tree are more curved, where Juliet's lines are straighter. I could be wrong, cuz, like Lostie108 said, her scar was pretty swollen when Jack saw it.


I have used the Symbols.com site quite a bit in my capacity as a professional reference librarian.
Neither does it have to do with the Christ/Antichrist theme. When it comes to symbols, you have to be very careful to make generalizations.
That's fascinating, Saukkomies. Sounds like a great job! Libraries are one of my favorite places to spend time.
I agree w/ you about the fishes/Christ symble, btw.
And what you said about generalizations made me think of the old saying,
"Do everything in moderation--including moderation."

Yeah, that is a good question. The tree really stuck out anyway. It just seemed a little awkward, like if you pressed the mark on the tree the Keebler elves would come out.

That's where the Dharma cookies come from!

It seems to me that it is a very simple representation of the Bhuddist Dharma wheel: http://buddhism.kalachakranet.org/symbols_tibet_buddhism.htm
Note the far right corner..there is a variant of the wheel there. If you just replace all the fancey embelishments on and around the spokes, it is almost identical.
A traditional Dharma wheel is usually in brass or gold and is encircled by a flame that almost looks like a drop of water.

The mark on the tree has 8 spokes, as well, which also coincides with the Dharma wheel because each of the eight spokes represents one of Bhudda's main ideals to achieving enlightenment.
www.heartlandsangha.org (http://www.heartlandsangha.org)

edit: forgot to mention that the ying/yang symbol is frequently crafted into the center of the wheel. (Symbol seen in conjunction with The Hanso Foundation).

edit 4/13/07: found some sites with translations and complete name of the dharma wheel. It is: Dharma Wheel (Dharmachakra, Wheel of Law.) which is quite interresting, considered the mark is the same as Juliet's brand, whoes conviction was carried out by the Law Lady. Each of the eight spokes stand for:
Right faith, right intention, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right endeavor, right mindfullness, and right meditation.[/COLOR]
Here is the site: http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsdharmawheel.htm
Here are some more: http://www.kagyu.org/
I haven't gotten any input from anyone on this. I think it is a perfect match to the symbol. AM I NUTS?
OH, one more thing I might add: When the spokes are viewed traditionally, inside the wheel, if one where to straiten the round edges between each spoke, you'd have yourself an octagon, aka: the Dharma Logo.

It's the leader formally known as Jacob.

I removed it. Thanks for the correction.

no problem, it could have been a fantastic find if it was real!

It's the leader formerly known as Jacob.

Oh, like in Orson Scott Card's Ender's series? The one where the "Piggies" turn into trees after they die? verrry creepy story, that. :eek2:

I'm not sure this is at all pertinant, but I think it is interesting anyway. One suggested symbol is that of Uranus, the ruling planet of Aquarius, and the other is that of Pisces, the next and final sign in the astrological system. We have all heard of the Age of Aquarius, time being marked by the prevelence of these different signs. These last two signs are characterized by altruism and spiritual development, which seem in many ways parallel to what the Dharma Initiative and perhads our Others see as their underlying motivations (even of their outside actions do not seem in line with this)

First time poster, just a thought.

...for succeeding in fooling Jack.

And I think she found that bag just a little to easily. How could she know exactly where Ethan hid it? Ok, the tree was marked but she pretty much went right to the spot. hmmmmmmm

Here's a screencap of Juliet's scar...
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=86825&fullsize=1

And one of the tree symbol...
http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=94551&fullsize=1

They look the same to me.

Juliet's mark could also be a version of the Compass Rose.

Here they are side by side.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/ommadawn1/mark.jpg
I'll let you decide if they are the same or not. (my opinion, they are not.)

I added the pics of the treemark and the branding on photobucket!

branding:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/branding.jpg


treemark
http://i17 (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg)9.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg)

it is obvious that the two are the same!!!!

I added the pics of the treemark and the branding on photobucket!

branding:
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/branding.jpg


treemark
http://i17 (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg)9.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w305/Kephren_photos/treemark.jpg)

it is obvious that the two are the same!!!!
Check one post above you. I already put them side by side. I am not so convinced anymore.

i see absolutely no difference between the 2 markings
i think it's as close as you can get when comparing a carving to a branding

i see absolutely no difference between the 2 markings
i think it's as close as you can get when comparing a carving to a brandingMy husband and I both totally agree.

The only difference is the extension of the top line of the branding. The tree symbol is symmetrical both vertically and horizontally, the branding is not.

Symbolism is geared toward such details, such a deviation would be important.

While I agree the two are very close, this flaw could be easily fixed on a branding iron. I feel it is intentional.

Now if you consider that Juliette being marked is not some sort of con, then the extension of that one line could be explained as showing what her violation to Otherology actually was.




ETA: I claim the coining of the term Otherology :biggrin:

The only difference is the extension of the top line of the branding. The tree symbol is symmetrical both vertically and horizontally, the branding is not.

Symbolism is geared toward such details, such a deviation would be important.

While I agree the two are very close, this flaw could be easily fixed on a branding iron. I feel it is intentional.

Now if you consider that Juliette being marked is not some sort of con, then the extension of that one line could be explained as showing what her violation to Otherology actually was.

ETA: I claim the coining of the term Otherology :biggrin:

Otherology being entered into the LOST Dictionary

I agree that they look as similar as they possibly could, given the two different media (tree vs flsh!) I don't think we should dismiss the fact that the symbol has been reported to be a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. Tie to Mikhail?

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I agree that they look as similar as they possibly could, given the two different media (tree vs flsh!) I don't think we should dismiss the fact that the symbol has been reported to be a letter in the Cyrillic alphabet. Tie to Mikhail?

Hmmm, I can see your point. The lines on the tree looked more curvy to me, but like you say, it could be the media they're created on.

Cyrillic...cryptic...LOST. :)

Brand and the tree symbol look similar, you have to expect slight variations in branding. Seems the most logical reference is that of the Buddhist wheel, which we know the Dharma Initiative are big believers of, and has been referenced to a lot in LOST previously.

Perhaps the brand was issued to Juliet as a reminder, to keep to the rules of the 8 points in the wheel. I'm guessing killing one of her own went against one or more of those points?
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The symbol looks most (to me) like a Cyrillic letter, sounding like "zh". I don't have my Russian keyboard at home, but someone must be able to find it. Obviously like any letter it could stand for a number of things.

It looks similar to the Russian alphabet letter pronounced like "sch" in the English language. I know a tad of Russian :D Can't remember much of it now though...but if you picture the symbol on the tree, and then take the horizontal straight line out of it, there is the Russian alphabet letter "sch". They're not the same though, i think the symbol is referencing to the Dharma wheel most likely.
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it looked like the threading of a basketball to me...

Yes clearly the sign is where a basketball net used to hang from the tree, and where the Others used to gather to play basketball. Makes total sense haha!

Maybe the fact that the tree that served as Ethan's drop point had the same symbol that Juliette was branded with could be an indication that Ethan had the same brand, perhaps for the same reason that Juliette did? Ethan's drop point => Ethan's tree => Ethan's symbol, meaning that he's guilty of murder or hurting another Other just like Juliette, but they needed to keep him around, perhaps because of his medical background? Just thinking out loud.

Isabel was probably the one who branded Juliet, and the expert in chinese characters. The number of those run in the tens of thousands I've read, and I'd bet a match could be found by going through a chinese dictionary. I might do that the next time I'm at the library. Whatever that means, I could believe the tree mark is a slight variation of it.

was just passing by, so if someone already got this, sorry for the copy. if not, here's a pic.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/napalmsoup/lost/treesymbol.jpg


and here's juliette's mark.

file:///Users/shutup/Desktop/Julietmark.jpg

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/napalmsoup/lost/Julietmark.jpg

I also think that it looks like the mark on Juliet. But now I have to wonder if all of the Other aren't similarly marked. Maybe they were conning Jack to make him think that it was some sort of punishment or banishment.

Maybe....and maybe it's the opposite...maybe the others are like a sect and maybe this sign is an evidence you're in it...maybe she really became one of the others the day she was marked...
i always found weird that as a prisoner the others made Jack see her in the hallway...i think this is all a plan to make him think she's on his side (and i think the whole "i wanna kill ben" thing was a con too...to make him think she's on his side) and she needs to be rescue and we all know that jack loves to rescue damsel in distress! ;)
If it wasn't a con....it would have mean that Ben would have let juliet die...i don't believe it ...for me it's clear that he loves her...
I think neither Ben nor Juliet tries to kill/let kill the other one.

Is it just my eyes or is the mark on the tree slightly longer on the top as well? Also, I think that the left curved line on Juliet's brand looks like it could be curved and more like the tree mark.

there is also the UMMO explanation..

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/04/ummo-mystery.html

here you can see the symbol in the middle of the second row..

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e13/napalmsoup/lost/ecriummo.gif

If it wasn't a con....it would have mean that Ben would have let juliet die...i don't believe it ...for me it's clear that he loves her...
I don't think Ben would kill Juliet or let her die for a secind either. Not only because he has feelings for her, but because of how important her work is to them. It only makes even more clear how staged the "trial" was. And I can only hope Jack was/is well aware of this.

I don't think Ben would kill Juliet or let her die for a secind either. Not only because he has feelings for her, but because of how important her work is to them. It only makes even more clear how staged the "trial" was.

Yes, you're right, i didn't think about that too. It makes me more convinced that the trial wasn't real... but in this case...it means that Alex is possibly suspect too...and i think it's a possibility because she's always here at the right moment....:rolleyes: she fight guys who have guns with a catapult :rolleyes: , even her story with karl...i'm not sure to buy it...

I was watching The Grudge 2 last night, and look what they were teaching in a Tokyo school. The Symbol? (http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/solostgurl/symboll.jpg) In the backgroud the teacher was saying .. 'this is the character 'ki' (qi?), meaning tree'. Which we already knew anyway.

i think the scar/mark could be the combination of two signs/symbols

1. the astrological symbol for pisces.
we are currently in the age of pisces, which is coming to an end and the age of aquarius is soon to begin
"An astrological age is a time period in astrology which is believed by some to cause major changes in the inhabitants' development." - Valenzetti Equation anyone ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Aquarius
the astrological age is also connected to the precession of the equinoxes
( remember that the plane crashed on the equinox )

2. the Axis Mundi - represented in it's most simple form by a vertical line.
The Axis Mundi symbolizes the connection between Heaven and Earth.
Which could represent Jacob's ladder or some divine/godlike qualities of the island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_mundi.
the wiki link explains how the Axis Monday is probably the most widely used symbol, being part of the christian cross, the caduceus ( staff logo ). symbolised by the Banyan tree ( the tree that kate and juliet hid in from the smokemonster ). amongst many other things

put the two symbols together and you get an exact match for the mark.

this may seem 'way out' to some of you but if you are interested in some background as to how i arrived at this conclusion check out my thread - 'The Angel Dimension' in general theories.http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=69033

Originally Posted by flashbackfan
I don't think Ben would kill Juliet or let her die for a second either. Not only because he has feelings for her, but because of how important her work is to them. It only makes even more clear how staged the "trial" was.

Yes, you're right, i didn't think about that too. It makes me more convinced that the trial wasn't real... but in this case...it means that Alex is possibly suspect too...and i think it's a possibility because she's always here at the right moment....:rolleyes: she fight guys who have guns with a catapult :rolleyes: , even her story with karl...i'm not sure to buy it...

I kind'a thought that the "trial" was staged too, espc. now that we have more info. Then again, it could've been another ploy of Ben's to show Juliet, "Yeah, you're important to our goals, but we still have to keep you in line."

I've read here & there about Alex & Karl being more of the "not what they seem" group, and it's beginning to make sense to me. I hate to think that the two young ones will be part of that duplicity, but we gotta remember that, with Ben as leader, it may be all they know. That ability to lie so easily, as well as being loyal to their leaders, Ben and Jacob.

I just realized that this is OT, sorry. If it can be moved to the correct thread, pls do so, cuz there's no way in a million that I'd be able to find that correct one on my own. thanks.

This is Rose's ring (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=66516&fullsize=1) from S.O.S.

What do you say, is it a match?

This is Rose's ring (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=66516&fullsize=1) from S.O.S.

What do you say, is it a match?That is fascinating, but man that would be a mind blower!! I couldn't even wrap my head around that one!!

It isn't Rose's wedding ring.

Everyone is desperate for something to speculate about...this certainly could open the door for an interesting discussion.