While most people seem to think that Juliet is there to take baby Aaron from Claire. But we found out in tonight episode that the reason why they took Claire was to experiment on her. They needed to find out why pregnant women on the island seem to died after giving birth . ( ..or during child birth. I wasn't pay that much attention.) So is it possible that the reason Ben left Juliet behind, so that she can experiment on Sun, and possible take her baby as well? The others seem to have a lot of information on the survivors of flight 815, so it's likely they already know that Sun is pregnant. They might have known that a while back when Colleen tried to capture Sun, or Jack might have told them. So do you believe that Juliet is there to help, or could she be there to experiment on Sun, and take her baby?

While most people seem to think that Juliet is there to take baby Aaron from Claire. But we found out in tonight episode that the reason why they took Claire was to experiment on her. They needed to find out why pregnant women on the island seem to died after giving birth . ( ..or during child birth. I wasn't pay that much attention.) So is it possible that the reason Ben left Juliet behind, so that she can experiment on Sun, and possible take her baby as well? The others seem to have a lot of information on the survivors of flight 815, so it's likely they already know that Sun is pregnant. They might have known that a while back when Colleen tried to capture Sun, or Jack might have told them. So do you believe that Juliet is there to help, or could she be there to experiment on Sun, and take her baby?


Who knows? I'm not convinced she's being truthful about what they did to Claire. Danielle had her baby on the island and that was before Juliet was there to "expirement" on them. Danielle didn't die. Juliet also said it happens at conception... Claire's conception occured in Austrailia. I think this is just another con, but when they find out about Sun... I'm sure she'll be in trouble.

I think that Sun is who they want, if she conceived on the island.

Who knows? I'm not convinced she's being truthful about what they did to Claire. Danielle had her baby on the island and that was before Juliet was there to "expirement" on them. Danielle didn't die. Juliet also said it happens at conception... Claire's conception occured in Austrailia. I think this is just another con, but when they find out about Sun... I'm sure she'll be in trouble.

I think it's possible that Ben do not/or did not tell Juliet everything. I do not think Ben told Juliet about Danielle. The others seem to believe that Danielle died. Alex told Sayid that her mother was dead, and I think Juliet might believe the same thing. I also think the others already know about Sun's pregnancy , and that is the reason Ben sent Juliet with Jack,Kate and Sayid. Juliet is there for two reasons, to experiment on Sun, and to take her baby.


hmm? I also wonder if Danielle is really Alex's mother? her stories seem to be conflicted. First Danielle claim that the others took her baby, than she claim that she never seen the others. So if she never seen them, than how do she know that they took her baby? Plus the timeline. Did the others take her baby, before , or after she killed her husband, and her crew?

Maybe Jin's got like super sperm or something. So Jin and a pregnant Sun would make like a great package deal for the Others. lol.

I also think the others already know about Sun's pregnancy
Um--HOW?!

I think it's possible that Ben do not/or did not tell Juliet everything. I do not think Ben told Juliet about Danielle. The others seem to believe that Danielle died. Alex told Sayid that her mother was dead, and I think Juliet might believe the same thing. I also think the others already know about Sun's pregnancy , and that is the reason Ben sent Juliet with Jack,Kate and Sayid. Juliet is there for two reasons, to experiment on Sun, and to take her baby.


hmm? I also wonder if Danielle is really Alex's mother? her stories seem to be conflicted. First Danielle claim that the others took her baby, than she claim that she never seen the others. So if she never seen them, than how do she know that they took her baby? Plus the timeline. Did the others take her baby, before , or after she killed her husband, and her crew?

Danielle said that baby was with her two weeks before they took her. So I'm sure they know that she's alive... after sixteen years tho... maybe not. I'm not sure if her husband and crew were alive or not.
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Maybe Jin's got like super sperm or something. So Jin and a pregnant Sun would make like a great package deal for the Others. lol.


He's supposedly sterile... :undecide:

He's supposedly sterile... :undecide:

Yeah, and Locke was a cripple and Rose had cancer...

Yeah, and Locke was a cripple and Rose had cancer...

well... we'll find out when we find out who the "baby daddy" is :p

I don't believe the Others know about Sun's pregnancy - but Juliet will find out and it will change whatever plans Ben has (in one week) for the losties.

I think that Sun is who they want, if she conceived on the island.

Exactly. It was emphasized (by Juliet no less) that conception on the Island was the key contributing factor to the pregnant women's demise. Since Claire didn't conceive on the Island, the Others' medical interest in her has past. Aaron might still be inteerst, but I think it's Sun who is now the focus. Spoilers ahead:


An upcoming episode (Jin/Sun centric) is called D.O.C, or date of conception. IMO, that will settle once and for all who the father of Sun's baby is. If it is Jin, than the baby was conceived ON THE ISLAND, because we know in the outside world Jin was sterile). That would explain Juliet's presence on the beach. She wants to study Sun and see if she can glean any data from her to fuel her research. In the end, if Sun doesn't die while giving birth, there's bigger problems for the Others.

Ya know, I think this all shows that Ben DOES lie... first off, as was mentioned above, Ben told Alex her mother was dead. This would make sense to his story that women who try to conceive and give birth die on the island. But Danielle gave birth to Alex (I am thinking this occurred on-island) and survived. It makes me wonder if she could have also conceived on the island. If Juliet had known that Alex's mother was still alive she might want to take blood samples, or run tests, etc. But she didn't (or at least I really have seen no notion that Juliet knows of Danielle).

This makes me wonder if it depends on the island lifestyle, Danielle lives more like Locke seems to want to: off the island, keeping to herself not using 'modern conveniences' and such that ruin the 'experience.' And she's alive, 16 years and fine. Perhaps there is something in the natural food on the island that has an effect on this condition?

As for Sun's baby, once the Others (Juliet especially) learn of her pregnancy, she is probably in deep trouble. It all depends on when it was conceived but remember there was a pregnancy test on the flight, and Sun knew of it (or at least that there was a high chance Sawyer had found it and kept it). Makes me think it was hers because she suspected she was pregnant BEFORE she got on board Flight 815...

Well, I think there were 2 huge clues in tonight's epi about what Juliet is doing at the beach.

#1 Ben told Juliet that she couldn't go home b/c that wasn't the deal. She needs to "fix" the having babies problem before she can go home.

#2 Ben told Juliet that he'll see her in a week.

It's been a week since Kate escaped the Others (also confirmed in tonight's epi). Kate and Sawyer had sex during their imprisonment. If Juliet wanted to know that Kate was pregnant, now would be the time to find out (since it would be a little over 2 weeks from conception).

Remember, Juliet left Jack behind and cuffed herself to Kate to gain her trust. She wants Kate's trust so she can find out if she's pregnant. Jacob seems to be able to do a lot of things, like cure cancer, but he can't fix the fertility problem. Kate and Sawyer are on Jacob's list. They were taken with the hopes that Sawyer would get Kate pregnant, which is why they let Sawyer and Kate go (b/c they already had sex) and why Juliet killed Picket (b/c he would've killed Kate who could very well be pregnant and thus, Juliet's ticket off the island).

Well, I think there were 2 huge clues in tonight's epi about what Juliet is doing at the beach.

#1 Ben told Juliet that she couldn't go home b/c that wasn't the deal. She needs to "fix" the having babies problem before she can go home.

#2 Ben told Juliet that he'll see her in a week.

It's been a week since Kate escaped the Others (also confirmed in tonight's epi). Kate and Sawyer had sex during their imprisonment. If Juliet wanted to know that Kate was pregnant, now would be the time to find out (since it would be a little over 2 weeks from conception).

Remember, Juliet left Jack behind and cuffed herself to Kate to gain her trust. She wants Kate's trust so she can find out if she's pregnant. Jacob seems to be able to do a lot of things, like cure cancer, but he can't fix the fertility problem. Kate and Sawyer are on Jacob's list. They were taken with the hopes that Sawyer would get Kate pregnant, which is why they let Sawyer and Kate go (b/c they already had sex) and why Juliet killed Picket (b/c he would've killed Kate who could very well be pregnant and thus, Juliet's ticket off the island).

Ohhh! Very good theory. I hope Kate isn't pregnant though. It would limit her character a great deal. I like the adventurous Kate that's always finding herself in some kind of trouble. :cool:

Well, I think there were 2 huge clues in tonight's epi about what Juliet is doing at the beach.

#1 Ben told Juliet that she couldn't go home b/c that wasn't the deal. She needs to "fix" the having babies problem before she can go home.

#2 Ben told Juliet that he'll see her in a week.

It's been a week since Kate escaped the Others (also confirmed in tonight's epi). Kate and Sawyer had sex during their imprisonment. If Juliet wanted to know that Kate was pregnant, now would be the time to find out (since it would be a little over 2 weeks from conception).

Remember, Juliet left Jack behind and cuffed herself to Kate to gain her trust. She wants Kate's trust so she can find out if she's pregnant. Jacob seems to be able to do a lot of things, like cure cancer, but he can't fix the fertility problem. Kate and Sawyer are on Jacob's list. They were taken with the hopes that Sawyer would get Kate pregnant, which is why they let Sawyer and Kate go (b/c they already had sex) and why Juliet killed Picket (b/c he would've killed Kate who could very well be pregnant and thus, Juliet's ticket off the island).


I have to say that makes a lot of sense. Spoiler:

It will be interesting if in the end, the date of conception we should be interested in is Kate's and not Sun's

I totally agree with you on Juliet's motivation. Everything that she's doing is done with the expectation that at some point, Ben will let her go home. That should make the Losties VERY afraid, since in Juliet's mind the end will justify the means.

I have to say that makes a lot of sense. Spoiler:

It will be interesting if in the end, the date of conception we should be interested in is Kate's and not Sun's

That's exactly what I was thinking. You know how TPTB like to play with the episode titles. I think we're supposed to believe its for Sun, but really, it's not.


I totally agree with you on Juliet's motivation. Everything that she's doing is done with the expectation that at some point, Ben will let her go home. That should make the Losties VERY afraid, since in Juliet's mind the end will justify the means.

Just like Michael.

[quote=iamlost2;1485961]I think it's possible that Ben do not/or did not tell Juliet everything. I do not think Ben told Juliet about Danielle. The others seem to believe that Danielle died. Alex told Sayid that her mother was dead, and I think Juliet might believe the same thing. I also think the others already know about Sun's pregnancy , and that is the reason Ben sent Juliet with Jack,Kate and Sayid. Juliet is there for two reasons, to experiment on Sun, and to take her baby.


I thought this too at first but then remembered that Ben and Danielle saw eachother when she captured him and Ben got "caught in a net", then taken to the hatch. So now what do we think?

Even though a fertile Jin on the island (a la walking Locke and cancer-free Rose) makes good sense, I'm still trying to hold on to the idea that he's not the father of Sun's baby. I would like to think that the 'father' is either Juliet's big needle or one of the lucky Others' dudes who got 'caught in the net' with Sun at a so far unspecified time on the island. This could be a good twist if we find out that Sun has been forced to hide this date rape all along.

It's been a week since Kate escaped the Others (also confirmed in tonight's epi). Kate and Sawyer had sex during their imprisonment. If Juliet wanted to know that Kate was pregnant, now would be the time to find out (since it would be a little over 2 weeks from conception).

Such a good theory, Caffreys!! Wow so they purposely put Kate in a sexy dress and caged her up with Sawyer for two reasons: (1) for Jack to see them doing the dirty and convince him to do the surgery and (2) since they knew they wouldn't use protection, and so they'd have another preggo woman to study!

I also wonder if Danielle is really Alex's mother? her stories seem to be conflicted. First Danielle claim that the others took her baby, than she claim that she never seen the others. So if she never seen them, than how do she know that they took her baby? Plus the timeline. Did the others take her baby, before , or after she killed her husband, and her crew?

I wondered why Juliet said Claire was the first and only time a woman has had a baby and lived. What about Danielle?! This means Juliet doesn't know about Danielle... Ben must have kept Danielle a secret from Juliet, and maybe the rest of the others. Are the losties and Ben now the only people who know that Danielle exists?

My hunch, as far-fetched as it may sound, is that, not only do The Others know that Sun is pregnant, they are going to turn out to be the daddy of Sun's baby! What I mean is: they need guinea pigs to perform their "life-saving" tests on because their women keep dying when pregnant. "Conveniently", a plane crashes on the island. I don't think that Ben wanted Goodwin and Ethan to go infiltrate the 815 groups justto look for a surgeon for him...it was also for pregnant women and other female test subjects.
I mean, why couldn't they use the "needle to the tummy" trick at night on Sun, just like they extracted blood from Claire and the same way Juliet impregnated her sister? Voila! instant test subject. Finally, like others have mentioned, THE key seems to be where the baby was conceived. If Sun's child was conceived before the crash, she wouldn't be crucial to their tests. If, however, she conceived after the crash, well, that's another story! She would be the ultimate guinea pig and Juliet's ticket off the island if she can solve the birthing dilemna. My gut says that the twist will be that the father of Sun's baby will not be Jin or Sun's man-toy, but rather Juliet's magic needle. Ok, now you can laugh...;)

I hope Kate isn't preggers.. that's all she needs!

My hunch, as far-fetched as it may sound, is that, not only do The Others know that Sun is pregnant, they are going to turn out to be the daddy of Sun's baby! What I mean is: they need guinea pigs to perform their "life-saving" tests on because their women keep dying when pregnant. "Conveniently", a plane crashes on the island. I don't think that Ben wanted Goodwin and Ethan to go infiltrate the 815 groups justto look for a surgeon for him...it was also for pregnant women and other female test subjects.
I mean, why couldn't they use the "needle to the tummy" trick at night on Sun, just like they extracted blood from Claire and the same way Juliet impregnated her sister? Voila! instant test subject. Finally, like others have mentioned, THE key seems to be where the baby was conceived. If Sun's child was conceived before the crash, she wouldn't be crucial to their tests. If, however, she conceived after the crash, well, that's another story! She would be the ultimate guinea pig and Juliet's ticket off the island if she can solve the birthing dilemna. My gut says that the twist will be that the father of Sun's baby will not be Jin or Sun's man-toy, but rather Juliet's magic needle. Ok, now you can laugh...


I can see something like that happening, since we now know that Juliet help her sister to conceive a child, and there was no mention of exactly what was use. Where did Juliet get the sperm from? was sperm even used?

I hope Kate isn't preggers.. that's all she needs!

yeah, she probably is. I think it was to convenient that Kate was able to get out of her cage, and the others just happen to leave Kate, and Sawyer alone for that much time. I think they were matting them.

I hope Kate isn't preggers.. that's all she needs!


I don't think they will ever write that into the show. Unless of course she sleeps with Jack too. Then we will go through a whole period of "who's the baby's daddy"!! A little too close to the Sun, and Jin story though!!! Seriously though, keeping on track with the thread I think that there is a HUGE possibility that Juliet was sent there because they know that Sun is pregnant. Also I think they want an insiders view into, what the survivors think, do and say.