So It looks like they drug the new arrivals to make them think they arrived by way of sub, but they must have come to the island another way. The sub just gives the illusion of being able to go home. Any ideas of how they really get there?

Good point. I was actually thinking that they may have come by sub,

I am thinking that they need to parachute in. They are leaving no way of knowing the true way to get there.

Well...Desmond got there in a sailboat...

Passed out at an airport....Awoke in a Submarine?!?!?!
Maybe it's head games or maybe the plane flew to a secret point
near the Island (possibly the coordinates Ben gave Michael)..
Then finished the trip by submarine...
I dunno..im so friggin confused.

So It looks like they drug the new arrivals to make them think they arrived by way of sub, but they must have come to the island another way. The sub just gives the illusion of being able to go home. Any ideas of how they really get there?

When Ethan said the last part was a 'rough ride' or such, it really made me believe that the sub was not functioning and that it was mainly used as a ruse to keep folks thinking they could go home. The sub is NOT how Juliet got to the island.

As for ideas---

Maybe the island is "available" for certain periods of time, otherwise it cannot be seen or returned to. I watched Castaway the other nite. When he went up to the highest point and looked out.. the tides were huge and kept him from getting off without a sail. Perhaps the Island has this same situation.. but the tides aren't tides so much as magnetism.

D/

I guess we will find out some time. I really don't buy the waking up and "oh, we are here" scam.

This is a very good thought. I too assumed they flew somewhere and then took the sub. I believe your right.

I'm guessing she was parachuted in (which is how I assume the food/supplies are dropped) or they could have taken a balloon (such as the smiley faced one)

Two words:

space shuttle.

Think about it.

I go for parachuted in from a balloon, since most powered craft simply wreck on the island. And I've yet to be convinced that anyone has ever gotten off the island, even though to-ing and fro-ing has been implied a number of times.

Cardie

I was going to bring up Richard Alpert, because it seemed like he's been back and forth. But I guess he parted ways with Juliet at the airport, and came to the island later in "Man from Talahassee". Unless someone saw him on the sub in tonight's episode?

I go for parachuted in from a balloon, since most powered craft simply wreck on the island. And I've yet to be convinced that anyone has ever gotten off the island, even though to-ing and fro-ing has been implied a number of times.

Cardie

This is a real mind-bender. If people can only arrive but not leave the Island, that could suggest that Alpert and Ethan were newcomers to the Island just like Juliet. Ethan went with Juliet, and Alpert went with Cooper. Mittelos is the outside agency for recruitment for the Others, but the kicker is once you go the Island, you never return. That would mean there has to not only be a constant re-supply of personnel on the Island, but also a re-supply of recruiters in the outside world. That would in part explain why we never saw Alpert's face in the Miami feed, he wasn't there.

The other question is arrival system. I seriously doubt it was via submarine. The fact Juliet had to be drugged suggests that the whole things was a scam, and she came another way, probably through the air.

I think it is in a really big hanger in Nevada.

I'm not really believing the submarine thing either, specially when she didnt wake up until they were already there at the island. How long would it take a submarine to travel any kind of a distance like that?

Two words:

space shuttle.

Think about it.

I thought about it, then thought - how did Desmond, alone on his boat, get into outer space? The island is on Earth.

A sub would make sense if there were some secret underwater passage that allowed it to circumvent the islands "shield".... but other than that the sub seemed pretty old and slow - so a poor way to get to the island. Desmond may have made it if he was not relying on any mechanical methods - by using the sail, but then what made him, and the black rock special? If we know the food has to be dropped in, it makes sense the people do too.... but then how did the sub get there in the first place, and the small boat they gave to Michael? The VW bus? (Though I guess that could have been airdropped on a pallet...

Overall a great episode though....

Maybe they flew over to the Island, and threw her out of the plane without a parachute, only for her to land on the Island safe, sound and unscarred like the 815ers? :) That would have been an awesome way to have done it.

Most likely by stargate. ;)

But seriously, I also do not believe for a minute that the sub brought Juliet to the island. And I also think that the trip is probably one-way. So far we have seen no one leave the island and return.

This posting novice is still up in the air on how they got there. When they mentioned the "rough ride" thing first thing I thought was some scifi sort of suspended animation and time travel. I dunno.

The sub part was kinda hokey. I don't buy it at all.

Just sayin....

So far we have seen no one leave the island and return.

Richard Alpert ?:confused:

I dont buy the sub thing either, its way to shadey that the minute she wakes up Ethan is like "oh, we're here!!" NO WAY, NO HOW...

i would love to believe they traveled by sub, but it seems unlikely. unless they have perfected just how much "tranq" to give someone to knock them out for just the right amount of time. we also don't know how long they were sitting at the dock before she woke up and ethan said they'd arrived.

i'm more inclined to belive that the "airport" back in the states was nothing of the sort. We saw no airplanes, right, while they were outside, didn't hear any coming or going, and they even remarked that they had no idea an airport was even there. I think the airport is definitely a front.

I'm beginning to think anyone can come and go from the island, but Ben controls the transportation. Ok Desmond couldn't get off the island but lets face it he was pretty drunk and could have screwed that one up himself. Mittlelos Bioscience is a Drug company that has found the cure for cancer, so until they can find out away to put the island magic in pill form and corner the market they don't want anyone finding out about the island. This is probably why they wanted the sailboat so badly because you can sail away from the island!

Didn't Desmond awake on shore after the accident at see in the storm?

A sub would make sense if there were some secret underwater passage that allowed it to circumvent the islands "shield".... but other than that the sub seemed pretty old and slow - so a poor way to get to the island. Desmond may have made it if he was not relying on any mechanical methods - by using the sail, but then what made him, and the black rock special? If we know the food has to be dropped in, it makes sense the people do too.... but then how did the sub get there in the first place, and the small boat they gave to Michael? The VW bus? (Though I guess that could have been airdropped on a pallet...

Overall a great episode though....


Exactly...the sub got there some way. I'm in agreement also on Juliet being brought in by another method.

The parachutist idea is curious especially since...

in a future episode an actress is cast as "parachutist"

Obviously the sub is a ruse. It would take a tiny sub like that several days or maybe even a week to trek across an ocean and that would require a lot of OJ Surprise. We are assuming that the island is not near coastal land so it is way out in the open sea. And would a sub like that have the fuel to make such a trip. its kinda small. It seems to be a unanimous conclusion that Juliette arrived by some other fashion.

I go for parachuted in from a balloon, since most powered craft simply wreck on the island. And I've yet to be convinced that anyone has ever gotten off the island, even though to-ing and fro-ing has been implied a number of times.

Cardie

Unpowered craft do too apparently:

- the black rock
- henry gale's balloon

Perhaps unpowered air craft can survive if they maintain a proper altitude.

Cardie

Didn't Desmond awake on shore after the accident at see in the storm?



I meant when he tried to leave, not when he got lost durring the race around the world. Remember when Sayid, Sawyer(i think) and Jack had to swim out to the sailboat and found him drunk inside? Sorry, I should have clarified:) .

i think this is an interesting idea. do we know if ethan left the island at all during the three years juliet was there? if he didnt, then i buy the idea that once you're on the island, you cant leave. although ben would like you to believe you can.

That submarine looked like diesel sub from World War ll.

It is feasible that, after sixty years, it could still be in working order,....but, from what I've seen of Ben, he lies about everything, and he could be lying about the sub being the Other's access to the outside world.

Now that the sub has been blown up, or we all think it has,...they are stuck forever on the island,...which is what Ben wants them to think is so,....

For some reason, Ben does not want to be left alone on the island, or something else is going on precluding him from leaving.

I think it was a 2 stage trip a long air lride followed by a short sub ride.
The sub looks like it is from some amusement park to me. :biggrin:

I had the feeling that Ethan had left and returned. He struck me as a long term resident but he was also on the recruiting trip when they hired Juliet.:confused: Is the any reference to indicate his arrival with Juliet was his first & only trip to the island?

...we also don't know how long they were sitting at the dock before she woke up and ethan said they'd arrived.

I'm more inclined to believe that the "airport" back in the states was nothing of the sort. We saw no airplanes, right, while they were outside, didn't hear any coming or going, and they even remarked that they had no idea an airport was even there. I think the airport is definitely a front.
I think you're right! Airports are not quiet places. And Juliet hadn't been there long at all when she drank the OJ.

I agree that the sub was a ruse. I'm sure they brought her into there, tied her into the bunk, and just waited for her to wake up before telling her they'd arrived. She could've been in that bunk for an hour or more, depending on how long the actual trip took. He did say "OJ and a LOT of tranqs."
Maybe she was brought to the Island via the "Magic Box" that Ben told Locke about! huh, I just thought of that.

But however she arrived, Ethan just waited 'til he knew she was waking...I doubt that the sub arrived only minutes before she awoke. No way could they time it like that.


For some reason, Ben does not want to be left alone on the island, or something else is going on precluding him from leaving.

I hadn't thought of it before, but that makes sense. That's why he wanted Jack to do the surgery, rather than go off-Island. Maybe Ben physically can't leave or something will happen to him--blow up like Arntz! ha. Talk about poetic justice.