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gradyboy37
04-12-2007, 12:36 AM
What do we think?


Personally, I think she justs wants to get off this island. She's made that abundantly clear three times now. (two of those times came complete with an emotional breakdown!)

Guinevere
04-12-2007, 12:39 AM
I don't think she's loyal to the Others at all by now but she knows they are a lot better bet for getting her off the island than the Lostaways.

ZoeWashburne
04-12-2007, 12:44 AM
I think what she told Jack says it all: she's on her own. I think she is cooperating with Ben since he's her only chance of getting off the island, but in the end, her loyalties lie with herself and getting back to her sister and nephew.

GettinLost
04-12-2007, 01:13 AM
I'm going to hold out that Juliet is going along with Ben's plan to double cross the Losties - but she really wants to help the Losties because ultimately she wants off the Island. I think she will fall in love with Jack and end up helping him in the end.

abbybr
04-12-2007, 01:17 AM
I'm leaning towards the thinking that she'll do anything it takes to get off the island.

Lunch
04-12-2007, 01:22 AM
I'm pretty sure she's just doing anything necessary to get off the island.

Selene1212
04-12-2007, 01:55 AM
I think at this point, knowing there is no way off the island, that she just wants to get to Jacob.

Lost_in_CA
04-12-2007, 02:18 AM
I think what she told Jack says it all: she's on her own. I think she is cooperating with Ben since he's her only chance of getting off the island, but in the end, her loyalties lie with herself and getting back to her sister and nephew.

My sentiments, too. She'll do whatever it takes to get off the island. She knows enough about the Others to know Ben is her only hope of getting home.

TRoss
04-12-2007, 05:37 AM
Great poll! I would have chosen "undecided", but that's okay - you forced me to pick 'working for herself'. ;) I think she's had it with the Others and their manipulations and lies. She wants to go home, and they won't let her till her work is "done", so she's going to play both sides and see who can get her home first. But my theories are usually wrong. :71:

flashbackfan
04-12-2007, 05:42 AM
I think she's working for Ben for now... she wants off that island more than anything, but she may end up trying to pull a fast one on Ben. We shall see soon enough!

lost168
04-12-2007, 06:06 AM
I think she will double-cross Ben and the Others.

Perhaps that would the the season-ending cliffhanger, leaving Juliet to make a decision that would tip the balance one way or the other. And we will have the entire off-season to debate which way she'll choose.

palomino_grl78
04-12-2007, 06:46 AM
I think that she is playing Ben. From a show standpoint, if she really was "bad" and was really a plant in the Lostie group, we probably wouldn't have found out for a few more episodes, perhaps in a potential future Ben epi or another Juliette one. We would have been left to wonder about her intentions for awhile, is my general point. Since they showed us her meeting with Ben, I am led to believe that it is not the Losties she is working against, but Ben. I am just going by a general pattern I feel that the show has.

rtteachr
04-12-2007, 07:09 AM
She'll do anything to get off the island. However, I think she turns on Ben, and that is when we'll see Jacks's true loyalties.

ozieozwall
04-12-2007, 07:28 AM
The losties killed Juliet's lover, Ben is lying to Juliet and she knows it, so it my theory she out for herself.

Damian254
04-12-2007, 07:37 AM
Yeah she wants off the island so bad she'll get back in bed with Ben ... maybe literally.

I got the feeling she's gonna trysome redemptive double-cross in the end but get killed at the end of the season. She's the epitome of that one season guest line that Nikki said in Expose.

sjb121590
04-12-2007, 07:45 AM
I still trust Juliet. That look in her eyes at the end of the eppy...

Yeah. She's just going along with Ben for now, but she has her own plan.

RodimusBen
04-12-2007, 08:24 AM
I think she wants off the Island and is playing both sides. I think Juliet is basically a good person, but three years of capitivity can do a lot to change a person. It makes them depserate.

lostlocke
04-12-2007, 08:34 AM
I do think that Juliet still wants to get off of the island. I don't think that Ben and her necessarily made a deal or anything but she is lying to Jack for a good reason. He is really in the dark with this one I think, he trusts her so much, it's foolish really. She is going to break his heart in the end, when he finds out.

Kate731
04-12-2007, 08:49 AM
Her flashback scenes tell me that she really does want to leave. I think she is working for Ben in exchange for something he has offered her as far as a way of leaving, but I think that maybe Juliet herself doesn't quite know whose side she's on. Its possible that she's torn between loyalties to Ben and feelings towards Jack.

pascalephoto
04-12-2007, 08:57 AM
Didn't Juliet urge Jack to kill Ben while in surgery because there were people on the island who wanted change? I understand that after the surgery Ben promised to get her off the island. How many times is she going to believe him? From Expose she knows that he exploits people's weakness to get what he needs.

lostgurl
04-12-2007, 09:06 AM
I think she is more for herself right now, but I think that she will stick with Jack and the losties in the end. Ben doesn't have a way to get her off the island anymore, does he? I'm not sure what she would need him for anymore.

Lost_in_CA
04-12-2007, 02:23 PM
I think she wants off the Island and is playing both sides. I think Juliet is basically a good person, but three years of capitivity can do a lot to change a person. It makes them depserate.

I think that is an excellent description - "3 years of captivity." She's been kept there against her will, even after pleading to go home several times. And if we look at things from her perspective, the Losties are "new" people to her, some with criminal pasts, like Sawyer, Kate and Sayid. These people appear to be in a position of power to her so she has reason not to trust them. Which leaves her with Ben, whom she knows much more about but probably doesn't completely trust anymore, so she's bound to feel desperate.

Her one hope is Jack. It will be interesting to see if his trust in her has an impact on her "plan."

LostIslandBaby
04-12-2007, 02:51 PM
I'd say Juliet is working for herself. She's going through the motions of the plan, but her heart isn't in it. She just wants to get off the island and in the process, might even find that she sympathizes with the losties.

Baileysdad
04-12-2007, 02:54 PM
That closing montage was incredible...the way she looked at Ben at the end...and then tied that knot...I think she is out for herself only.

omgimsolost
04-12-2007, 02:56 PM
I believe it is possible that she is working with Ben right now because she needs not exactly him... but the others to get off the island. If he has all of them wrapped around his finger, she won't go anywhere. However, i see her aligning with the losties to help stage a coup to take over the others where she will finally get to go home. I just looks to me now that Jack and Juliette are on some new level of thinking and are close to developing a plan to get out.

LostIslandBaby
04-12-2007, 03:06 PM
That closing montage was incredible...the way she looked at Ben at the end...and then tied that knot...I think she is out for herself only.

I think the closing scene where she ties the knot for her tent is revealing. She may have lived with the others for three years, but she is no closer to being off-island than the rest of the losties. She's been the victim of Ben's countless manipulations; unless she thinks for herself and aligns herself with people who are truly trustworthy, she won't be successful.

peepstone
04-12-2007, 03:21 PM
I think the closing scene where she ties the knot for her tent is revealing. She may have lived with the others for three years, but she is no closer to being off-island than the rest of the losties. She's been the victim of Ben's countless manipulations; unless she thinks for herself and aligns herself with people who are truly trustworthy, she won't be successful.


live together, die alone!

gradyboy37
04-12-2007, 06:54 PM
That closing montage was incredible...the way she looked at Ben at the end...and then tied that knot...I think she is out for herself only.

She did tell Jack, "I'm already on my own." She's kind of a renegade both ways, but I don't think she cares as much about Sun's preganancy nearly as much as she does about getting herself off the island.

islandchica
04-12-2007, 07:01 PM
I think she's still working for the Others, although yes, she is probably only doing it to get herself off the island. I almost feel bad for Juliet, but this episode killed every chance of my ever liking her. It seems that she'll do anything to get home (understandable), but does she still really trust that Ben will follow through with his word? I think she should ditch him and form an alliance with the Losties, but they should never trust her now. I dunno... All the double-crossing makes my head hurt, lol.

mugglecastlover31
04-12-2007, 07:29 PM
I think she's cooperating with the Others because they are her best bet to get off the island and get back to her sister. However I think that it's a huge possibility that she will fall in love with Jack because he's being so good to her and then she'll end up switching loyalties at the last moment. I hope that's what happens because I don't want to see Jack's heart get broken again.

1dimpleonly
04-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Juliet is working with Ben, and the Others, to get off the island. However, if one of the Losties finds a way to leave, she will switch sides in a New York minute.

After seeing the look in her eyes, at the end,...where Juliet is putting up her tarp, she is looking around, and focuses on Jack. Jack looks up, and smiles at her.

She turns her back, unties the knot she began tying, and reties it in a way that looked vicious. Her face was full of hate, and if Jack's neck had been in that knot, he would have been strangled.

Juliet hates the Losties,...and she hates Ben, but she wants to leave, so right now, she believes her best bet is with the Others.

Malachy
04-12-2007, 07:40 PM
What do we think?


Personally, I think she justs wants to get off this island. She's made that abundantly clear three times now. (two of those times came complete with an emotional breakdown!)


Agreed. I think she will do anything to get off the island now and isn't loyal to anyone (and doesn't care about anyone). If helping Ben and the Others can get her off the island, then that's what she'll do.

If next week it looks like Jack can help her get off the island, then she'll turn and so on.

Eyeland Soul
04-12-2007, 08:21 PM
I think Juliet is working with Ben because she sees him as her only way off the island. But I hope she double crosses Ben and joins the Losties. Maybe by staying with the Losties for a week she will decide she would rather stay with people who share her goal of leaving the island as opposed to working with Ben who hasn't let her leave the island. Kind of like Jack's statement to Juliet about how he knows she wants off the island as bad as they do so that makes her one of them. Is she going to decide she'd rather be one of the Losties or stay with Ben? Will the Losties warm to Juliet and let her join their gang? I'm interested to see!

GodBlessTexas
04-12-2007, 08:42 PM
I just watched it again, and I thought that the following exchange between Jack and Juliet was interesting:

@37:05
Jack: "How long before this takes effect?"
Juliet: "We should see results within a few hours?"
Jack: "Juliet, if this doesn't work, if something happens to her, I'm not going to be able to protect you anymore. You'll be on your own."
Juliet: "I'm already on my own, Jack."

And then the semi-sinister music picks up.

SithLordDarth
04-13-2007, 02:08 PM
I think there is a dimension to Juliet that has been hinted to a few times throughout this season. For example, when Kate ambushed her, Juliet was ready with a highly-skilled judo move. I don't think she is as passive as the episodes are portraying her. I think she is invested highly in the Others to do whatever it takes to ensure the Others plans are not thwarted. Especially now that she knows her sister is alive and kicking.

erin1679
04-13-2007, 10:35 PM
Right now I am thinking that she just wants to get off the island.I think she just wants to be home with her 'sister' and 'nephew'

irish lost fan
04-13-2007, 10:46 PM
She's definately not loyal to the others. Im torn between if she's loyal to Ben or not but I'd say she is because he has more of a chance of getting her off the island than the survivors will.