I can't remember if Danielle gave birth on the island or off island. If she was on the island why didn't she have the problems that pregnant women on the island have? (The problem of dying, I mean)

We were discussing that tonight too, but we couldn't remember

She did. She was 7 months preggers when she shipwrecked.

She had her on the island... and that's a very good question. :huh: Maybe they are making the whole Claire being sick thing up, because Juliett said it happens at conception... and at conception Claire was in Austrailia. Sounds like more snakey Other business!

Wasn't it that when her ship crashed she was pregnant, she gave birth on the island, and like 10 days or so (I don't remember the number, but it wasn't that much) after Alex was born, she was stolen by the Others?

I've been trying to figure out how Danielle plays into all this too. Since they have Alex, they know another woman gave birth on the island and survived... Claire wasn't the first.

I'm thinking she has to have been involved with the Others somehow, since she did apparently give birth on the island... She did say that she's never seen any of the Others before, waaay back in S!'s Solitary where we first saw her... she has to have been lying.

Maybe the maternity problem that exists on the island occurred after Danielle gave birth.

Alex was born around 1988 (2004-16). Perhaps the problem was a Dharma error that occurred later.

It's possible that either Juliette was never told about Danielle - perhaps she was told that Alex's mother died, like they told Alex? Is it possible the viewers know something that Juliet does not? Just like we know about the link between Jack and Claire, but Jack and Claire do not know.

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Or Juliette is lying about knowing Danielle exists - just like she's lied about a lot of things.

She had her on the island... and that's a very good question. Maybe they are making the whole Claire being sick thing up, because Juliett said it happens at conception... and at conception Claire was in Austrailia. Sounds like more snakey Other business!

They were making it all up. Ethan/or someone else injected Claire with something that made her sick, so that Juliet can be the one to save her.


I think it's strange that Ben/Juliet did not mention Danielle as one of the women who survive child birth. Could it be that Ben never told them that Danielle survive ? Ben told Alex that her mother was dead, and considering tonight episode,maybe Juliet do not know about Danielle .

I think Rousseau said she had Alex about 2 weeks after they landed? My question is- what was she doing on an science mission that pregnant?

It isinteresting that Alwex was the last person born on the island.

Well, until Aaron, anyway!

Claire was never in danger--she CONCEIVED off-island. Juliet was just plain lying.

Danielle CONCEIVED off-island, too, and thus bore Alex just fine.

Now--when did SUN conceive? THAT is the question!

It isinteresting that Alwex was the last person born on the island.

But she wasn't.:confused:

Ben told Juliet "we've activated the IMPLANT in Claire. She should be symptomatic in the next 48 hours". In other words, they gave her a false illness so Juliet could "save" her and gain their trust. So doesn't that mean her whole speech to Jack about pregnant women dying on the island was BS? And Danielle, who did give birth here as well, should have been able to?

But she wasn't.:confused:


I meant prior to Aaron.

Based on the info available I think that's a safe assumption.

I'm also curious if Ben was concived on the island, I remember he said he lived there all his life.

Ben told Juliet "we've activated the IMPLANT in Claire. She should be symptomatic in the next 48 hours". In other words, they gave her a false illness so Juliet could "save" her and gain their trust. So doesn't that mean her whole speech to Jack about pregnant women dying on the island was BS? And Danielle, who did give birth here as well, should have been able to?

Not necessarily. Pregnant Others may have been dying and Ben told Juliet and as Juliet told Jack. But they probably all conceived on-island. And as people have mentioned here, Danielle and Claire conceived off-island, so they probably were not suseptble to the pregnancy disease.

I have this crazy wacky theory about all of this, and it goes like this. Ben, born and raised on the island. He would of course marry someone and want to raise a family. His wife for some reason is infertile. not because of the island. Everyone else is fine. Ben sees his oppourtunity and gets Alex, from Danielle, as she is shipwrecked. Since there is no type of adoption out there. And that is where the trouble begins. Ben takes something that isn't his, so the island sort of makes everyone else barren as punishment, like a curse or something. And for the curse to be lifted he would have to give Alex back. Make things right. The Island is on Danielle's side, because she is like Locke, she lives on the island with the bare necessities , food, water, shelter. I know that there are some holes in this, like then what happened to his wife, and what about Danielles's team. But that would explain how she is able to survive on the island for 16 years, the island is on her side. Just something that I thought was a possibility.

Well, until Aaron, anyway!

Claire was never in danger--she CONCEIVED off-island. Juliet was just plain lying.

Danielle CONCEIVED off-island, too, and thus bore Alex just fine.

Now--when did SUN conceive? THAT is the question!


Alex's birth predates Juliet's research by about 13 years. So I think it just might be island conception that's fatal. Which raises the 'Who's the Daddy' stakes for Sun to a whole new level.

Danielle killed her crew "before,or "after" giving birth? ..and If Danielle never seen the others, than how did she know that the others had taken her child? Wasn't she there?

I have this crazy wacky theory about all of this, and it goes like this. Ben, born and raised on the island. He would of course marry someone and want to raise a family. His wife for some reason is infertile. not because of the island. Everyone else is fine. Ben sees his oppourtunity and gets Alex, from Danielle, as she is shipwrecked. Since there is no type of adoption out there. And that is where the trouble begins. Ben takes something that isn't his, so the island sort of makes everyone else barren as punishment, like a curse or something. And for the curse to be lifted he would have to give Alex back. Make things right. The Island is on Danielle's side, because she is like Locke, she lives on the island with the bare necessities , food, water, shelter. I know that there are some holes in this, like then what happened to his wife, and what about Danielles's team. But that would explain how she is able to survive on the island for 16 years, the island is on her side. Just something that I thought was a possibility.

Lovin That Theory!! =D =d * hops on board* sound sgood to me.

Ben told Juliet "we've activated the IMPLANT in Claire. She should be symptomatic in the next 48 hours". In other words, they gave her a false illness so Juliet could "save" her and gain their trust. So doesn't that mean her whole speech to Jack about pregnant women dying on the island was BS? And Danielle, who did give birth here as well, should have been able to?

Now if only Claire or Kate or Danielle could put the pieces together...

Alex's birth predates Juliet's research by about 13 years. So I think it just might be island conception that's fatal. Which raises the 'Who's the Daddy' stakes for Sun to a whole new level.

Danielle killed her crew "before,or "after" giving birth? ..and If Danielle never seen the others, than how did she know that the others had taken her child? Wasn't she there?


1. so births conceived on the island don't go full term?
i am thinking it might have to do with smokie. i know it's a stretch
but if smokie is some kind of moral compass for the island (not the others) then it is possible.

2. danielle has never differentiated the hostiles from the others.
perhaps to her they are the same people. perphaps she meant that
she has never met them face to face but she knows the others are
responsible for alex's kidnapping.

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I have this crazy wacky theory about all of this, and it goes like this. Ben, born and raised on the island. He would of course marry someone and want to raise a family. His wife for some reason is infertile. not because of the island. Everyone else is fine. Ben sees his oppourtunity and gets Alex, from Danielle, as she is shipwrecked. Since there is no type of adoption out there. And that is where the trouble begins. Ben takes something that isn't his, so the island sort of makes everyone else barren as punishment, like a curse or something. And for the curse to be lifted he would have to give Alex back. Make things right. The Island is on Danielle's side, because she is like Locke, she lives on the island with the bare necessities , food, water, shelter. I know that there are some holes in this, like then what happened to his wife, and what about Danielles's team. But that would explain how she is able to survive on the island for 16 years, the island is on her side. Just something that I thought was a possibility.


I agree with you completely! Awesome and thanks for writing it all down.

Danielle may never had any problems with her pregnancy, but because she was pregnant, she may have been abducted like Claire. After she gave birth, her daughter was taken. So it looks like the Others are interested in children and pregnant mothers. Hm, back to the drawing board!

I have this crazy wacky theory about all of this, and it goes like this. Ben, born and raised on the island. He would of course marry someone and want to raise a family. His wife for some reason is infertile. not because of the island. Everyone else is fine. Ben sees his oppourtunity and gets Alex, from Danielle, as she is shipwrecked. Since there is no type of adoption out there. And that is where the trouble begins. Ben takes something that isn't his, so the island sort of makes everyone else barren as punishment, like a curse or something. And for the curse to be lifted he would have to give Alex back. Make things right. The Island is on Danielle's side, because she is like Locke, she lives on the island with the bare necessities , food, water, shelter. I know that there are some holes in this, like then what happened to his wife, and what about Danielles's team. But that would explain how she is able to survive on the island for 16 years, the island is on her side. Just something that I thought was a possibility.


good catch alongfortheride!

so ben is a widower. she must have died when alex
was very young. or is that a lie also? ben never
lets on as to the name of his dead wife.

or maybe she died because of her pregancy?
that might be the reason why ben is so driven
to do what he does. it could be because he lost
his wife and the island didn't heal her.

i'm going to have to think about this alot.

I was scrolling through the subject lines in this episode's forum to see if someone posted about Danielle and Alex, and I'm so glad someone posted this topic! Danielle gave birth to a healthy baby girl on the island and, what is more, Jack, Kate, Sayid, Sawyer and everyone KNOW that Danielle gave birth to Alex on the island, so I'm not sure why they are buying (not that they all are, but Jack seems to be) Juliet's story AT ALL. However, maybe they just figure that Claire was so ill that they really had nothing to lose by allowing Juliet to inject her? I don't know. I just know that not only something doesn't add up, but a LOT of somethings don't add up here. Danielle gave birth to a baby on the island, pre-Juliet, pre any injections, etc. Yet everyone else in Danielle's party sickened and died.

The plot thickens...

The infertility may have been caused by "The incident" we've heard mentioned several times.

I have this crazy wacky theory about all of this, and it goes like this. Ben, born and raised on the island. He would of course marry someone and want to raise a family. His wife for some reason is infertile. not because of the island. Everyone else is fine. Ben sees his oppourtunity and gets Alex, from Danielle, as she is shipwrecked. Since there is no type of adoption out there. And that is where the trouble begins. Ben takes something that isn't his, so the island sort of makes everyone else barren as punishment, like a curse or something. And for the curse to be lifted he would have to give Alex back. Make things right. The Island is on Danielle's side, because she is like Locke, she lives on the island with the bare necessities , food, water, shelter. I know that there are some holes in this, like then what happened to his wife, and what about Danielles's team. But that would explain how she is able to survive on the island for 16 years, the island is on her side. Just something that I thought was a possibility.

Unless Danielle is in cohorts with the others. :redface:

Unless Danielle is in cohorts with the others. :redface:

If she was with the other's then they still stole her baby and made her an outkast.
But when I see Danielle I see true pain in her emotions. She doesn't seem fake like Juliet and Ben do. She shot Ben and probably would have killed him if she thought that Sayid wouldn't have been able to get some answers out of him. My gut is telling me that she is not an other. Just like my gut was telling me that Juliet was a plant. I have no physical evidence to prove this fact. it's just something I feel. maybe it's cause I'm a mother, and I know how devastated I would be If someone stole my child from me. It's not something you can ever get over.

I think Rousseau said she had Alex about 2 weeks after they landed? My question is- what was she doing on an science mission that pregnant?

It isinteresting that Alwex was the last person born on the island.

I don't blame you for asking that question. She probably thought just because I'm pregnant doesn't mean I can't make money.:D


But Alex wasn't the last born, Aaron was.