Ben said we have activated her implant??? so does that mean Danielle really did have the baby on the island? does that mean its really possible? was charlie implanted too????

Charlie presumably wasnt implanted, as he didnt make it back to the Staff. How does this mean Danielle gave birth on the island.

Charlie presumably wasnt implanted, as he didnt make it back to the Staff. How does this mean Danielle gave birth on the island.

meaning that maybe women really can have babies on the island. Claire obviously wasn't really sick because of medicines and tests, they just activated it to make her appear sick.

I'm confused. WHEN did they implant Claire? When she was kidnapped and if so, did they know she would escape back? Otherwise, why do that?
Is someone from camp an Other?

I think Jack, Kate and Sawyer are also implanted. It explains the band aids they all ripped off after they woke up on the 'Alcatraz' island (the hydra). I think this is also probably the cause of 'the sickness' that Danielle talks so much about.

Of course Charlie wasn't implanted. He was hung from a tree and presumed dead.

why do that?
Here's my theory.

When they implanted Claire and had her lightly drugged, they indicated to her that they would return her to the Losties after they "cured" her. In fact, they were studying her to see if they could cure their own infertility.

The implant ot make her sick was going to be used ot convince Claire that she was also in danger and that she could not return to the Losites. Then they would "save her life" so as to prove how good and noble they were. Then they could keep the mother and aaron as willing guests and continue to study them to find a cure.

Alex then sent Claire back to the Losties, fearful they were going to kidnap her baby (they were). Ethan tried to get her back and got himself killed. As long as the Losties had guns, any attempt at adbuction was futile.

How bout Mikhails bleeding from the mouth scene, was he implanted too?

Why should he be? The fence/aneurysm explanation works just fine. Why overcomplicate things?

How bout Mikhails bleeding from the mouth scene, was he implanted too?

I think this is a very likely scenario.

Everyone complained that it was too easy for the A-Team to cross over the Sonic Fence of Death, and that the fence is ridiculous if it was that easy to cross.

It was that easy to cross because it was OFF.

So I believe Mikhail conned them.

I think Jack, Kate and Sawyer are also implanted. It explains the band aids they all ripped off after they woke up on the 'Alcatraz' island (the hydra). I think this is also probably the cause of 'the sickness' that Danielle talks so much about.

I think you might be on to something here, I had forgotten about the band-aids. Could it serve as a brainwashing method? Is this why Locke has left with them?

Another interesting point to dwell on is the only time they would have been able to "implant" Claire was when they had her alone. This means she has been walking around with it all this time, and they must have some means of activating it from a distance. Hmmm....this show is trippin!:74happy:

Who knows... maybe EVERYONE of the Losties is implanted. Maybe they did it before everyone 'woke up' after the crash. Now that's trippin!

Seriously though, I still believe that Jack, Kate and Sawyer are implanted and so were Danielle's party, and that's what caused the 'sickness' she refers to.

I think the fact that they managed to 'implant' Claire changes a lot the perspective I had of the show. First of all, this implant has to be some kind of microchip that, when activated wirelessly, it releases controlled doses of some drug that ultimately made Claire threw up blood. This is pretty big to me. It means that the Others do have access to VERY advanced technology. Where am I going with this? OK... This new piece of information could help explain many of the weird things going on on this island. Just imagine all the possibilities: perhaps all the survivors (or maybe just a few) were 'implanted' right after crashing. I know this has been theorized before, but now at least we KNOW that the Others certainly CAN do IMPLANTS. So what about the flashbacks? Could they be false memories triggered by these implants. too. Or perhaps not so accurate?
Think about the hallucinations... Could they be triggered by these also?
And, of course, think about Smokie...Is it physically real or is it like a collective hallucination created by these implants?
This way, TPTB could keep the explanations within the realm of pseudo science without getting into the world of pure Fantasy.
Very interesting episode, indeed.

Ok then what about Rachael, Juliet’s sister? Could she have been implanted also? Wasn’t Ethan or someone seen by Juliet walking away from her apartment? He could have implanted Rachel then. If she really actually did have a reoccurrence of cancer via the implant then Ben’s got his loophole and could say without lying that he had her cured as he said he did.


Im Puzzled

Well, if there is indeed some time warping involved (like many suggest), the others may have already known who was gonna crash on their island, and implanted some of these passengers OFF the island. Perhaps that's what Jacob's list is all about?

Ok then what about Rachael, Juliet’s sister? Could she have been implanted also? Wasn’t Ethan or someone seen by Juliet walking away from her apartment? He could have implanted Rachel then. If she really actually did have a reoccurrence of cancer via the implant then Ben’s got his loophole and could say without lying that he had her cured as he said he did.


Im Puzzled

I must have missed the part about someone outside Rachel's apt. When did that happen?

I must have missed the part about someone outside Rachel's apt. When did that happen?

Im just going by my old feeble memory here. Thats why I posed it as a question. I dont have it on tape but I rememeber Juliet going to Rachels appartment and having a hard time waking her up. I think it was mabye when she told Juliet she was pregnant? Before that she passes someone (Ethan?) in the hallway. Now It might not have beent he appartment hallway.. see old feeble memeory above.

Im Puzzled

Im just going by my old feeble memory here. Thats why I posed it as a question. I dont have it on tape but I rememeber Juliet going to Rachels appartment and having a hard time waking her up. I think it was mabye when she told Juliet she was pregnant? Before that she passes someone (Ethan?) in the hallway. Now It might not have beent he appartment hallway.. see old feeble memeory above.

Im Puzzled

Okay, I do remember the scene where she passes Ethan in the hallway, but I thought that was on the island. Anyone else able to clear up the mystery? Just for the sake of both of our feeble memories? :undecide:

Okay, I do remember the scene where she passes Ethan in the hallway, but I thought that was on the island. Anyone else able to clear up the mystery? Just for the sake of both of our feeble memories? :undecide:

That happened off the island in Miami. Juliet got out of the room where her sister was and she passed Ethan, who was coming in the opposite direction, in the hallway. This happened probably at the hospital where Rachel was being treated. Ethan had been spying on Juliet and her 'work' for quite sometime. Richard seemed to suggest that later on.

Correct it was the opening scene of 'Not in Portland'

Yeah, at the time, lots of people thought that Juliet's sister was on the island receiving treatment from Juliet. Now it should be clear that that's not the case. I imagine that everyone who was so insistant on that, now can't remember claiming it, suspiciously : |

I hope people who did have that theory are humbled, and will not be so rigid in their claims about the show, and be more open-minded. Lost isn't a show you can draw 100% conclusions about half-way through, we get answers as we go along.

I think you might be on to something here, I had forgotten about the band-aids. Could it serve as a brainwashing method? Is this why Locke has left with them?



Maybe they even told Locke about it. We have been assuming that he left with the Others willingly, but perhaps we are wrong.

Since I'm one who believes that no one knew the plane was going to crash (the Other's sure looked surprised to me and it was Desmond that caused it by mistake) I doubt very strongly that anyone but Claire is implanted. Certainly not Charile since he was left for dead.

I think this is a very likely scenario.

Everyone complained that it was too easy for the A-Team to cross over the Sonic Fence of Death, and that the fence is ridiculous if it was that easy to cross.

It was that easy to cross because it was OFF.

So I believe Mikhail conned them.


Unless the fence was intended to keep out animals and people were a second thought. For all we know the town was for the Dharma people not in the hatches and they didn't know about the others at all so wouldn't need a fence to keep out people. It could also be the reason there seem to be no more Dharma people.

I believe Mikhail is dead, just like the woman he killed. They are willing to die for whatever they have going there.

Anyone think Eathan had someone in town who was pregnant and that's why he was a bit crazed about getting Claire back?

Think about the hallucinations... Could they be triggered by these also?
And, of course, think about Smokie...Is it physically real or is it like a collective hallucination created by these implants?

Whoa!
Imagine some future episode where we see Ecko beating the crap out of himself (charging into trees, jumping head first into the ground, etc.)

Two words: Tyler Durden.

Whoa!
Imagine some future episode where we see Ecko beating the crap out of himself (charging into trees, jumping head first into the ground, etc.)

Two words: Tyler Durden.
Even thought I don't believe this to be the case, nobody else saw Ecko being throwing around by Smokie. And if this 'hallucinations' are triggered by some microchip implanted in several losties's brains, they could all be, not only SEEING the same thing, but EXPERIENCING the same situation as absolutely real. Only an 'outsider', a person with no implants could see that there is really nothing going on. Imagine a scene in which a bunch of losties are running away from Smokie, and one of them stops and say: hey what are we running for?
Come on, man. Do you think that huge black cloud looks friendly?
What black cloud? I see nothing there!



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Here's my theory.

When they implanted Claire and had her lightly drugged, they indicated to her that they would return her to the Losties after they "cured" her. In fact, they were studying her to see if they could cure their own infertility.

The implant ot make her sick was going to be used ot convince Claire that she was also in danger and that she could not return to the Losites. Then they would "save her life" so as to prove how good and noble they were. Then they could keep the mother and aaron as willing guests and continue to study them to find a cure.

Alex then sent Claire back to the Losties, fearful they were going to kidnap her baby (they were). Ethan tried to get her back and got himself killed. As long as the Losties had guns, any attempt at adbuction was futile.


Excellent post. I too presume that Sawyer, Kate and Jack now have implants after being kidnapped. Walt and Michael probably have them too. Who knows if they were activated after being set free
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[quote=Im Puzzled;1490365]Ok then what about Rachael, Juliet’s sister? Could she have been implanted also? Wasn’t Ethan or someone seen by Juliet walking away from her apartment? He could have implanted Rachel then. If she really actually did have a reoccurrence of cancer via the implant then Ben’s got his loophole and could say without lying that he had her cured as he said he did.

That is a good theory because Rachael was asleep when Juliette entered the room.

I think Juliet has one, which is part of why she is willing to do Ben's dirty work.

I think Juliet has one, which is part of why she is willing to do Ben's dirty work.


Maybe *scratching chin* just maybe.

What about Jack saying "Did she show any symptoms before we got back to the beach"sic

Isn't taht kinda odd wording? "Has she been sick?" "Has she been sick long?"

But corrolating her being sick and he and Juliet coming to the Beach was intended in that line? Does Jack know about the Implant?

That was one of the weirdest lines in the whole epi for me

I really liked that line because it said to me that Jack was checking to see if Claire had gotten sick right after Juliet arrived as though he is more suspicious of Juliet and her motives than he is letting on. Hope so anyway.

What makes me wonder is if Sawyer really does have an implant of some kind with his heart? Could they be waiting for some great strategic moment to actually set it off? Just a thought.

In my opinion, Sun (preggers) is next. That is probably Juliete's real motive for conspiring with Ben. Making infertility non-existent on the island seems to be The Others' motive for ALL of their threatening or agressive actions on the island.

I love the show, great show. For the writers/producers, in my humble opinion: Play more to the geeky X-Files type guy vs. the ladies who dig Kate, Jack and Sawyer love triangles. X-Files fans are looking for the conclusion that should of have been since the 90s.

Grant

What about Jack saying "Did she show any symptoms before we got back to the beach"sic

Isn't taht kinda odd wording? "Has she been sick?" "Has she been sick long?"

But corrolating her being sick and he and Juliet coming to the Beach was intended in that line? Does Jack know about the Implant?

That was one of the weirdest lines in the whole epi for me

I think that was just Dr speak personally....you know they talk like that about symptoms, instead of normal people words like sick.