I mean was that great or what?

Dont you feel sorry for the geeks that bailed on ther show?

Anyway I said Juilet was not a plant...so I'll eat crow. But only if the thousand people who said the Sub didnt blow up will too. haha

I still have the feeling juilet is playing Ben--not the Losties because of her back story. But we will have to wait to find out if its the double switch or not.

BTW..Juliet held that Stephen King book all the way to the Flame I think to remind us viewers that Ben missed the book club because he didnt like King books(which we know isnt really true). Maybe he was wishing for a surgeon to fall out of the sky.(Magic box metaphor)

Yes, it was great. A lot, but not solely, because we got a straightforward answer to a rising question. Even if you were wrong about it before this, still very satisfying.

No need to call them geeks. But this was a very good episode. Definitely one of the best of the season.

/agree

who bailed? i'm still here.

I'm a geek and I'm still here. :biggrin:

Feel sorry for them? No way. They just didn't have what it takes to stick it out for the long haul. These good eps coming up, loaded with all sorts of twists, shockers and bombs...those are for the real fans like us.
While all those former fans are whining about how Lost jumped the shark, we can sit back and laugh. Because in reality we know that what really happened is they jumped the ship. And that shark....it's right behind them about to bite them in the a$$!

No need to call them geeks. But this was a very good episode. Definitely one of the best of the season.

Haha, yeah, I think that if anyone here is geeks, it would have to be us who are still unhealthily addicted to the show. But still, it is a shame that so many people started doubting the show early this season. I think it is clear now that the buildup is going to payoff big for the rest of the season.

Feel sorry for them? Not quite... don't get me wrong, I'm not angry with them. I just found it kind of sad that people left because, essentially, of how well thought out a plot the writers had come up with.

It should be said, people are allowed to not like this show, and even give up on it if they stop caring about it, and it doesn't make them any less of a person.

I kind of pity them as well. The smart ones will still catch up on DVD though. I have a good friend who gave up on Lost after the mini season... I tried to get him back on board after Not in Portland and Flashes Before Your Eyes (when he could have viewed them for free on abc.com), but he didn't listen. His loss!

I still don't think the sub is destroyed!

I'll sign up. I don't think i'll quit the show till it's over but I'm glad i'm still watching :smile: I don't know if I pity people who stopped watching. It doesn't really affect me. I wouldn't want to be the one who stopped watching. There have been episodes I've liked less than others but Lost has been a consistently great show despite criticism. That's all that matters to me

I'm sort of a late commer. My sister began telling me about Lost and I began watching the re-runs and ended up buying S1 DVD and have been hooked ever since. Also bought S2 and haven't missed an epi. since. It's similar to reading a good novel....it's a long read, as some other people have posted. I had no problems with the re-runs and neither did my sister.

And actually, no I don't feel sorry for those who bailed. Good novels aren't for them obviously.

Absolutely vintage Lost. A classic episode. What baffles me is this; if the writers are still capable of producing top-notch television like this, and still have sufficient grasp of the fundamentals which make Lost great to do so, why did they stop doing it for so long? Surely they must comprehend, from the rapturous response One of Us will surely garner and the general indifference which greeted part 2 of season 3, what they've been doing wrong and what constitutes doing it right.

It's a complicated show. If you miss an episode, you can miss quite a bit. Though TPTB were trying to please the fans, I think not showing repeats this season removed the ability for people who missed an ep or two to get back into the show. Also, to be frank, some people can't just tough it out for a long serial story like this, they need instant gratification and non-thinking shows: American Idol and Dancing With the Stars. Finally, I think the mini-arc was poorly thought out and written and turned a lot of people off.

Ha! Yup! We know who the LOYAL fans are! Good things come to those who wait!!!!:biggrin:

hahaha, yeah i remember watching the first season and saying to myself "it cant get any better then this..."
well with two AWESOME episodes back to back here in april i am eating my words...
season 3 is great and i cant wait for next wednesday

I'm sooooo glad I stuck it out past the mini season and got to this point. This epi was great! And I get to gloat cause I knew Juliet was a spy. However, I'm still wondering if she may try and pull a fast one on Ben at the last second. We shall see. The only thing we truly know for certain is that she's become a really tough cookie who would do anything to get off that island. I'm nervous for Jack. I think he's in for a real mind bender situation.

:lol2: Great thread.

I don't feel sorry for them - LOST has been consistent as far as I'm concerned. If they weren't happy before, they STILL wouldn't be happy. :rolleyes: Some people want a point A to point B story in sixty minutes or less, while others like the long, winding - and intriguing - path that is LOST.

I don't feel sorry for them. They have the free will (or they think they have the free will) to decide what they enjoy or not enjoy. If their departure means less whining on these boards, all the better. ;)

Feel sorry for them? Not quite... don't get me wrong, I'm not angry with them. I just found it kind of sad that people left because, essentially, of how well thought out a plot the writers had come up with.

ROFLMBO... Too true.

It should be said, people are allowed to not like this show, and even give up on it if they stop caring about it, and it doesn't make them any less of a person.

No one said that they couldn't or that they were less of a person... but thanks for saying it anyway.

This was a phenomenal episode...

ROFLMBO... Too true.



No one said that they couldn't or that they were less of a person...

Actually, I've seen quite a few people say that in this thread.

It is rude and inappropriate to call anyone names, whether or not you agree with a decision they may have made to no longer watch the show. Please re-review the site rules about respecting other posters.

While some may have given the impression that they have given up on the show, it doesn’t mean they completely have or that they don’t lurk and still read the boards. Keep this in mind when making future comments.

I would agree that those who did not stick around will be sorry, now.

I've invested a lot of time, and thinking into Lost, and I am not about to quit.

However, I hope that the writers do not hand us some lame ending to Lost, so that those who bailed will then feel sorry for us :(.

It is rude and inappropriate to call anyone names, whether or not you agree with a decision they may have made to no longer watch the show. Please re-review the site rules about respecting other posters.

While some may have given the impression that they have given up on the show, it doesn’t mean they completely have or that they don’t lurk and still read the boards. Keep this in mind when making future comments.

You cant be serious?

So now calling someone a geek is a crime? You know, this is getting to the point of absurdity. That is not an insult. It a term used for TV fanatics...like us.

I think many people are getting sick and tired of the self-righteous false humility contained in warnings like these. There are many disgusting, perverted, and obscene things said on the internet and the day that this thread qualifies is a sad day indeed.

Review the rules? How how about reviewing the rules about accusing someone of nothing.

Calling someone a geek may not be a crime but it certainly isn't nice and not everyone looks at it as a term of endearment like you seem to. One rule we take pretty seriously here is treat everyone with respect, which chelly did for you. You did not do the same in return. As she said you might want to review the rules if you want to continue posting here.

I've listened to many people who don't watch the show anymore and their reasons for not watching are justifiable.

I agree that if they came back they would be confused. "Lost" is entering
a phase I call "The Farscape Syndrome."

The sci-fi show "Farscape" got into a mode where you had to be a loyal
viewer to understand what was going on. The storyline and story arcs were so topical to the story only - there were no stand-alone episodes a viewer could enjoy if they just wanted to watch in the middle. As a result their fanbase dwindled and they could not catch any new viewers to keep the show on the air. They were canceled after their season 4 was over much to the anger of their viewers so their network gave them a series finale: "Farscape: The Peacekeeper Wars."

If viewers knew a little more about storytelling and the underlying mythic structure of "Lost", they would understand how and why the story is unfolding the way it is. In one respect, the show is not that different from other shows and the characters exhibit archetypical behaviors that are not new. Only the setting is new - on an island.

Maybe that's why I tape the program while I do something else. Because for me the story is rather predictable as are the characters. In other words, I know what PAW (producers and writers) are doing. It's how they are doing it that makes it fun to watch.

I tried to start a thread on the mythic structure of the show but nobody was interested. That's too bad because understanding the mythic structure of the show and understanding the character archetypes would have explained a lot. Of course, it would be like explaining the punchline of a joke - all of a sudden it's not funny anymore. Maybe it is a good thing that thread never took off.

I got a little off topic but you get my gest. "Lost" is a fun show to watch because of the twists and turns and because you never know where an episodic plot is going to take you. I guess for some people who don't watch "Lost" anymore that type of storytelling does not appeal to them. And that's okay.

Even if they had kept watching, they still would have had to sit through "The Adventures of Nikki and Paulo," "Hurley Finds a Van," and "What Jack's Tattoos Say But Not What They Mean." (Yes, I realize a lot of people thought all three were super-cool awesome...thats not my point.)

Several of my friends have quit watching live, but intend to hit the Season 3 DVD's when they're released. They'll get the exact same pleasure you get from the great episodes without being forced to wait an extra week between the "fillers."

Plus no commercials! :D

Even if they had kept watching, they still would have had to sit through "The Adventures of Nikki and Paulo," "Hurley Finds a Van," and "What Jack's Tattoos Say But Not What They Mean." (Yes, I realize a lot of people thought all three were super-cool awesome...thats not my point.)

Several of my friends have quit watching live, but intend to hit the Season 3 DVD's when they're released. They'll get the exact same pleasure you get from the great episodes without being forced to wait an extra week between the "fillers."

Plus no commercials! :D

Then they haven't quit watching... that's wonderful. Watching from DVD is just as viable as watching live.

Watching from DVD is just as viable as watching live.I think a lot of the bailers may try out the DVD's if they hear the second half of Season 3 is actually up to par with Season 1. (Assuming TPTB can keep it up, that is...)

I think a lot of the bailers may try out the DVD's if they hear the second half of Season 3 is actually up to par with Season 1. (Assuming TPTB can keep it up, that is...)

It depends purely on which answers are revealed I suspect.

No one likes a quitter!

You cant be serious?

So now calling someone a geek is a crime? You know, this is getting to the point of absurdity. That is not an insult. It a term used for TV fanatics...like us.

I think many people are getting sick and tired of the self-righteous false humility contained in warnings like these. There are many disgusting, perverted, and obscene things said on the internet and the day that this thread qualifies is a sad day indeed.

Review the rules? How how about reviewing the rules about accusing someone of nothing.


I agree on the 'self righteous false humility' thing but I'd also say that the original poster was pretty sad for apparently getting some sort of kick out of demeaning people who decided to quit watching the show for whatever reason.

If I was in the position of mod. I think that I'd just close the thread for adding nothing positive to the debate and discussion of this episode.

I say don't let the door smack you on the butt on the way out.

This forum is a much better place now that uninspired have departed. It was their complaining that was wrecking the show because the network then started putting pressure on the LOST crew to rush and water down the stories.

So many people were reading too much into the show that just wasn't there, it was as if they were watching a completely different show. They'd dream up these colorful theories based on fractual information and then when the show didn't go that way they'd get their panties in a twist. You know, Locke didn't behave the way their version of Locke would or Charlie had strayed from the way they thought he should be.

I don't need answers every week, I enjoy the show because it's still the most original show ever on television.

Buh-bye you big babies.:kiss:

I have to things to say about people who have stopped watching the show, one critical, and one sympathetic.

It drives me crazy when people complain about "answers"! They're obviously missing the point. This show, like so many other works of fiction, is based on mystery. In many ways that's what defines it! It really is necessary to save alarge portion of the answers until the end. If when it's all said and done, the answers are no good, then we'll actually have something to complain about. In this case getting there is 95% of the fun.

Lost is changing as a show. There's no doubt about that. I'm not saying that the producers are being "flip-floppers" and changing their story; quite the opposite. The show has to change, and I think the direction that TPTB have taken it in is perfect. But, not everyone agrees. Although sci-fi elements have been present since The Pilot, I think we can all agree that the show is becoming more and more out-there all the time. A lot of the mainstream ER-watching drama fans really liked the first season. Back then Lost was often equated to "Survivor", and it really did feel more like a survival-oriented drama. I think all those people have trouble stomaching the new sci-fi elements to the show; they are unhappy that Lost ever moved away from the beach. Now, IMO, there was no avoiding it, the show had to grow, and being the geek I am I'm happy to go as deep into sci-fi territory as possible. But many people aren't.

Haha don't be silly, no one actually stops watching LOST after they've started, that's impossible.

I say don't let the door smack you on the butt on the way out.

Buh-bye you big babies.:kiss:

Buh-bye indeed...