Well, Jack is back, and everyone turns to him for help and answers. But, they don't necessarily trust him. I think they doubt whether or not he's been indoctrinated into the Others, whether he's clouded by his apparent feelings for Juliet.
I think in this episode we saw them to turn to Jack out of habit and then later because he's the doctor (and they needed to save Claire).

But what did we see from Sawyer? He called out Juliet in front of everyone, and people agreed with him. He talked over the situation with Hurley, who is in many ways the moral core of the group. He took care of Claire early on when she needed aspirin. And then he went off and did an A-team manly mission with Sayid (who he used to fight with and was previously tortured by).
He's on the good side of the right people right now. And he's got Kate back on his side, presumably, because she's got major issues with Jack and Juliet now and will probably go back to working with Sawyer.

This should be interesting. Sawyer is a very different type of leader, working behind the scenes and just making sure what needs to happen will happen. Will he be more effective? I think based on what we saw tonight, there is a darn good chance of it.

One thing is certain, he's playing a lot smarter than Jack is, and if I were there, I'd be on Sawyer's team. Seeing the desperation of wanting to go home in someone's eyes and spending a lot of time with a person does not make up for the fact that she was part of a group that, y'know, has been abducting and murdering my friends for the past few months.

I was very proud of Sawyer's behavior tonight. He's learning his lessons well and really seemed concerned about Claire and then the welfare of the Lostaways. It would have been great to have a scene with Sayid (like when they were on Juliet's trail) where Sawyer explains just what happened on "Alcatraz" - at least his perspective. Our boy is growin' up! :) You know, you can get "stuck" at a certain age and keep on exhibiting those behaviors way after you age chronologically. It seems that all of this is going to shake Sawyer out of his selfish rut. Will he be Mr. Nicey Nice?? Gosh I hope not! I think, though, he will be a better leader and man when all is said and done.

sawyer would make a better leader just based on the fact he's not half as arrogant as jack.

It would be a Sayid-James-Hurley triumphrate of sorts, I think.

Not Kate. There she was, in the tent, DEFENDING Jack ("Lay off him") even though she has her doubts, too.

Yea, Toatally on the James for President Team

( btw i like that Kate calls him James now :p)

He is better than jack As stated above he isnt as Arrogant, and doesnt have the 'God-Comlex' Jack struggles with. HE was Awesome tonight.. got Cailre asprin with no Normal sawyer teasy-ness. HE is growng up, and i love it. Just hope he deosnt get sappy..

Btw

GO TEAM SAYID_SAWYER!! they ROCK!

I currently think that Sayid and Sawyer are the only logical ones on that island. I'm also eagerly anticipating more scenes with the two of them.

I think Jack shot himself in the foot bringing back Jules and putting her "under his protection". Who does he think he is? Turkey.

Jack is leader and Sawyer I believe understands now the pressure Jack was under and respects him for it (he looked real happy to see him back at the beach)...I believe if Jack needs help, Sayid and now Sawyer may be willing to stand by him and help him (hopefully Jack now has his back covered by more than Kate)...

I really like that leadership shifts. But just because Saywer only pretends to be arrogant and Jack pretends not to be does not make Sawyer a better leader. Jack's confidence is deserved. Sawyer is still finding himself. Actually, I don't think Jack acts that arrogant. I think any of the losties in a leadership position would turn out making unpopular decisions - even Hugo.

Well, Jack is back, and everyone turns to him for help and answers. But, they don't necessarily trust him. I think they doubt whether or not he's been indoctrinated into the Others, whether he's clouded by his apparent feelings for Juliet.
I think in this episode we saw them to turn to Jack out of habit and then later because he's the doctor (and they needed to save Claire).

But what did we see from Sawyer? He called out Juliet in front of everyone, and people agreed with him. He talked over the situation with Hurley, who is in many ways the moral core of the group. He took care of Claire early on when she needed aspirin. And then he went off and did an A-team manly mission with Sayid (who he used to fight with and was previously tortured by).
He's on the good side of the right people right now. And he's got Kate back on his side, presumably, because she's got major issues with Jack and Juliet now and will probably go back to working with Sawyer.

This should be interesting. Sawyer is a very different type of leader, working behind the scenes and just making sure what needs to happen will happen. Will he be more effective? I think based on what we saw tonight, there is a darn good chance of it.


Actually - PTB - I truly hope that his style of leadership works "just as well" as Jack's style. Jack's way is not the only way!! There may be only one answer to the question but sometimes - anyone who has worked equations - there are many ways of arriving to the answer!!

I think Team Sawyer had a little bit of a set back with underestimating Juliet's knowledge of all the playahs. But they could turn this around. Jack is either completely "snowed" about Juliet, or he is also doing his own con??

I wouldn't say Sawyer's the new leader, I agree with STH, it's more of a senate, with the elected representatives of Sawyer, Hurley, and Sayid. Whereas Jack's is a dictatorship - 'do as I say, because I said so'. I know his heart's in the right place, but his head isn't always towing the line. :71:

What works for Sawyer is his knack for calling BS, and not being afraid to say it in front of everyone. He's the unlikely "voice of reason" - which is one of the things I LOVE about his character. He can be an a**, but he's not going to be pushed around, either. I leader needs to be strong - someone who won't be brow-beaten into something - the one who's willing to speak up, and that's Sawyer. Even if he doesn't say it nice. :71:

But that's not all a leader needs to be. Though Sawyer offered to get aspirin for Claire, he also said another not-so-nice thing to Hurley. If you want people to follow you, you need respect or fear. I don't think people fear him - in fact, from the last few eps, people pretty much laugh at his blowhard attempts to be threatening. But I don't know that he's totally earned their respect, either. That is Hurley's strength. Hurley doesn't always speak up when he should, like Sawyer does, but the way he treats everyone, he's earned their respect.

And Sayid, well dammit, he's the only really rational one on the island. Sawyer speaks the truth, but Sayid - he studies it. Thinks about it. Then reacts. He's got the intellectual and strategic elements a leader should have. No jumping into things without thinking them through. (Sawyer's smart too - which I LOVE - but sometimes his passion overrides it.)

So yeah, Sawyer's got leadership potential, but he'd be strongest allied with Hurley and Sayid - no dictatorships. Those are bad. :33:


Well, Jack is back, and everyone turns to him for help and answers. But, they don't necessarily trust him. I think they doubt whether or not he's been indoctrinated into the Others, whether he's clouded by his apparent feelings for Juliet.
I think in this episode we saw them to turn to Jack out of habit and then later because he's the doctor (and they needed to save Claire).I agree, I think Jack's lost some of the faith people used to put in him. Though now that Juliet's "plan" worked out, people may be saying to themselves, "yeah, we should have listened to Jack." :rolleyes: Oh, how wrong they would be.

One thing is certain, he's playing a lot smarter than Jack is, and if I were there, I'd be on Sawyer's team. Seeing the desperation of wanting to go home in someone's eyes and spending a lot of time with a person does not make up for the fact that she was part of a group that, y'know, has been abducting and murdering my friends for the past few months.I KNOW! Just because you WANT to trust someone, doesn't mean you SHOULD. :rolleyes:


It seems that all of this is going to shake Sawyer out of his selfish rut. Will he be Mr. Nicey Nice?? Gosh I hope not! I think, though, he will be a better leader and man when all is said and done.Yes, I think it could shake him out of his "Sawyer" prison - let's just hope that's what TPTB want to do, too. :63:

As for 'nicely nice', yeah, no, that's not James' style, Sawyer prison or not. :71:


I currently think that Sayid and Sawyer are the only logical ones on that island. I'm also eagerly anticipating more scenes with the two of them.Hear, hear, sister. Good to see you again, Nicolee! :hug:


I think any of the losties in a leadership position would turn out making unpopular decisions - even Hugo.You said it. That's because you can never please the masses. You please some people, others don't like it. You try to please THOSE others, and then other group is unhappy. If everyone agreed on everything, they wouldn't even need a leader to begin with. LOL


Actually - PTB - I truly hope that his style of leadership works "just as well" as Jack's style. Jack's way is not the only way!! There may be only one answer to the question but sometimes - anyone who has worked equations - there are many ways of arriving to the answer!!Well said, GL! :clap: You're absolutely right, there are many different styles - it all depends on the people that are being "governed". As Rousseau (not the French chick) believed, a government should only exist if the people allow it to - the people have to be happy with it, or it needs to go. So if they're not happy with how Jack is running things, they need to pick someone else to follow. If they're happy with Jack, they should allow him to continue. Still thinking this might bring a rift to the castaway community. We'll have to see.


I think Team Sawyer had a little bit of a set back with underestimating Juliet's knowledge of all the playahs. But they could turn this around. Jack is either completely "snowed" about Juliet, or he is also doing his own con??Yep, I think they thought she'd be easily intimidated. I love how she handled them. :71:

THOUGH, let me just say, what is UP with Sayid and Sawyer getting called on self-righteousness the first and only time they exercised it, when Jack NEVER gets called on it, and he employs it all the time?? :rolleyes: Parity, I say! :lol2:

I totally agree that Sawyer needs to learn how to be nicer to the other Losties, but that's just his armour. And, frankly, I'd rather see him keep some of his edge, because no one wants a weak leader either. Sayid isn't exactly a nice guy either, and no one gives him any slack, you know?

I really enjoyed Sawyer interactions with Hurley and Sayid last night because it brought the different aspects of how he is trying to help out the group.
I think when he thought he was going to be voted out of the group, and Hurley solely appointed him leader, that really caught his attention. It's not an arrogance thing for him. It's realizing that other people need him. And when people need him, he steps up. Always had, and I think always will.

There has been a definite change in Sawyer's demeanor the past few episodes. I believe we are witnessing Sawyer being set up to be a leader among some of the Losties. I think he and Sayid make a pretty powerful 1-2.

I totally agree that Sawyer needs to learn how to be nicer to the other Losties, but that's just his armour. And, frankly, I'd rather see him keep some of his edge, because no one wants a weak leader either. Sayid isn't exactly a nice guy either, and no one gives him any slack, you know?



Sayid doesn't make fat jokes.

I currently think that Sayid and Sawyer are the only logical ones on that island. I'm also eagerly anticipating more scenes with the two of them.
I would add Hurley.

sawyer would make a better leader just based on the fact he's not half as arrogant as jack.

you have no problem with him getting conned into murdering that guy and graverobbing?

Don

you have no problem with him getting conned into murdering that guy and graverobbing?

Don

of course i do, but that was in the past. he's changed alot since then for one. besides, jack got "conned" into getting all of them captured last season. and jack is way quicker to trust untrustowrthy people. sawyer's smarter in that regard, because he has had problems trusting people in the past. not the best thing, but it comes in handy/