Did they anticipate this long chain of events that they would need to make Claire sick in a few weeks so that Juliet could save the day? Or is there some other reason Claire has a "sick button".

Could it have doubled as a tracking device?

I get confused w/ how much would have passed between events. How long ago was Claire abducted? It seems so long ago (too long ago for some kind of plan like this). Makes me wonder if this was done more recently, but how? And by whom?

Maybe they implanted her and wanted to initiate her sickness while she was still in the others' custody and then cure her as a way to say, "see? this is why you need to stay here and have your baby, because we can help you."

But then she escaped. :)

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=75824

there is another thread about the same subject.

what i want to know is if they really were doing tests, then why implant something, and does that mean charlie was implanted too??

Maybe one of the seabirds was being remotely controlled from Otherville HQ and had a specially fitted robotic syringe in its beak.

could just be they planned ahead thinking at some point it could come in handy

It would not have been that hard for Juliet to poison her if needed at some future time and then save her with the antidote. Much more flexible scheme. This seems very far fetched.

But not as far fetched as kidnapping Jack, Sawyer and Kate, making K and S do manual labor and sleep in cages until they have sex so that Jack can catch them on the video so he can decide to do Ben's surgery (instead of say, not doing all the bad stuff to the losties in the first place and just asking Jack for the favor in return for some beef and a shower). But that's just me...

they only shot her up with medicine so her baby could survive

Did this make anyone else think of the "pacemaker" that Ben implanted into Sawyer?

I'm convinced that Claire's implant is a way of setting off a series of events that will bring Jack around to the Others' side. The implant makes Claire temporarily sick, Juliette cures her, Jack completely trusts Juliette, and Juliette convinces Jack to stay on the island. It's a con job. But then, if it is part of a con, does that mean that Juliette's story about the treatment that she was trying on Claire was a fake all along?

Maybe one of the seabirds was being remotely controlled from Otherville HQ and had a specially fitted robotic syringe in its beak.

:grin: hey, I think you're on to something! ;)

This implant: Can it go off remotely or did Ben just say it's set to go off at this specific time? With Desmond's flashes -- is Ben able to see and know when things are supposed to happen? It would seem his plans are so intricate and the way he was talking to Juliette at the end could indicate that he knows and is not just "planning".

I found the implant thing weird since ... according to Alex ... they were gonna kill her in the Maternity Leave episode.

And how did Ben know that events would occur that would get everyone where they needed to be to send Juliet back to the camp at that time?

I found the implant thing weird since ... according to Alex ... they were gonna kill her in the Maternity Leave episode.

Maybe Alex drew that conclusion from all the others that died in the Staff facility. I think she thought they had killed them when in fact this sickness did.

Did this make anyone else think of the "pacemaker" that Ben implanted into Sawyer?

Yeah, but that pacemaker never existed, did it?

My take on it was...They implanted her with a tracking device since she is "THE CONTROL" for their pg women experiment they were waiting for. Just like the seagull was wearing the tag, so is Claire.

they only shot her up with medicine so her baby could survive

Nope. The final scene undid that. Juliet was lying. See below.

I'm convinced that Claire's implant is a way of setting off a series of events that will bring Jack around to the Others' side. The implant makes Claire temporarily sick, Juliette cures her, Jack completely trusts Juliette, and Juliette convinces Jack to stay on the island. It's a con job. But then, if it is part of a con, does that mean that Juliette's story about the treatment that she was trying on Claire was a fake all along?

Yes. We saw from the flashback that only women who conceive on the island die. Juliet lied about Claire being in danger. Claire was fine when they took her. She lied about Claire showing symptoms like the other pregnant women. She wasn't sick they gave her an implant to make her sick. We know Danielle had Alex on the island so we know if you conceive off island you're fine. The entire time Claire was with Ethan he was trying to convince her to give up the baby, leave and never see him again. It was never about Claire, it was about taking the baby from her. Yes, I believe pregnant women who conceive on the island are in mortal danger, but they are trying to save them for their babies, not for the women. They weren't trying to help Claire and she didn't need help.

My take on it was...They implanted her with a tracking device since she is "THE CONTROL" for their pg women experiment they were waiting for. Just like the seagull was wearing the tag, so is Claire.

Excellent catch. Very cool. Claire is like the tagged bird. Love it.

I agree with the posters who have said there was nothing wrong with Claire to begin with. If you listen to Juliets story about why she needs to get the medicine for Claire it just doesn't make sense. She said Ethan started injecting her right after the plane crashed and now Claire's body was going through some sort of withdrawl and she needed more of the same medicine. What? Claire is Now having Withdrawl symptoms 3 Months later? I thought any withdrawl symptoms from a drug would take place pretty quickly, a least within a few days? If this drug was able to stay in her system this long Why did Ethan have to keep injecting her????? I think whoever said Claire was a "Tagged Bird" is correct, the rest of those injections after they took her was some sort of setative/halucinigenic. Of course Jack doesn't question any of this, he just says well go and get it.

Well of course the whole "withdrawl" story is a lie. But it makes a little more sense that Jack would buy it since a) it's actually more like 2 months, not three, since Claire gave birth, and b) Charlie gave Claire a case of the medicine to inject herself with and told her it would be enough to last for some time.

Well of course the whole "withdrawl" story is a lie. But it makes a little more sense that Jack would buy it since a) it's actually more like 2 months, not three, since Claire gave birth, and b) Charlie gave Claire a case of the medicine to inject herself with and told her it would be enough to last for some time.


I thought that supply came from Desmonds Hatch Stash? Juliet said (if you believe her) she developed that specific drug for pregant women on the island. I don't think it would have been the same stuff. Still to go into withdrawl after 2 months is odd. I still don't think there was anything wrong with her in the first place.

Are we implying that Juliet's serum was completely made up? If so, that makes a lot of the emotion in her flashback very random. I think that Juliet's serum was used to help Claire- and it did. At the same time though, couldn't they have implanted some kind of trigger to make this happen?

(This is completely random, but what if Nikki and Paulo were the ones who poisoned Claire? They did have that walkie-talkie...maybe they were moles for the others and they were instructed to do so by Ben. And if they were moles, maybe they're living happily ever, burrowed underground.)

Claire didn't go into withdrawl. Ben clearly stated that he activated the implant in Claire so she should be getting sick within 48 hours. Claire has some "device" implanted in her that Ben can "turn on" at any time to make Claire sick. Juliet simply gave Claire some medicine to counteract the implant. The implant has nothing to do with the actual sickness the women on the island get when they are pregnant.

The implant could be some tracking device and/or just something that was supposed to be used to make Claire think the same thing was happening to her as the rest of the women on the island. It just so happens Claire escaped and now it was useful to further Ben's plan to make Juliet look like a savior.

I know Claire didn't go into withdrawl. My whole point was Juliets story was really bad, it didn't make sense, and at the least as a Doctor Jack should have had a few questions for her. Thats all.

I know Claire didn't go into withdrawl. My whole point was Juliets story was really bad, it didn't make sense, and at the least as a Doctor Jack should have had a few questions for her. Thats all.

Ouch..didn't mean to hit a nerve, sorry :)

Yes it dosen't make since that Jack didn't questions the withdrawl line, what 2 months after Aaron was born? And longer than that since she was kidnapped by Ethan.

Ouch..didn't mean to hit a nerve, sorry :)

Yes it dosen't make since that Jack didn't questions the withdrawl line, what 2 months after Aaron was born? And longer than that since she was kidnapped by Ethan.



No nerves were touched:biggrin: , I should have put a smiley at the end of my post.

But what about the serum? That's what I'm really wondering about. Didn't Juliet think the serum was actually very necessary? She got emotional about all the mothers who had died on the island, and so she would invent a serum to keep them alive through pregnancy.
Are you saying that Juliet did invent the serum, but that she was kept totally in the dark about Claire's treatment, and that Ethan was not even administering the serum to Claire at the Staff? If so, Juliet would have been actually seeking to help Claire, but the Others had other plans (administering an implant)

I think I know why the Others put an implant in Claire if they were going to kill her like Alex said when she helped Claire escape.
How did Alex "find out" that they were going to kill Claire? Probably from her "dad," Ben. And remember what Alex said about him back in The Man from Tallahase? "He manipulates people." She might have learned from first hand experience.

Wait -- what if there is no implant, and Claire actually was sick and whatever Juliet administered actually did cure her? What if Ben's conning Juliet???

Wait -- what if there is no implant, and Claire actually was sick and whatever Juliet administered actually did cure her? What if Ben's conning Juliet???

Not likely - there's circular logic here.

Circular idea:
Claire is sick, but there is no implant ->
But what about Ben telling Juliet it's an implant? Well, Ben's conning her ->
But what about the accurate time it took for Claire to become sick? ->
Ah, simple, Claire is sick, but there is no implant...

At least that's how I understand what you're saying :(

But what I don't understand is why is it that you guys are saying Juliet was lying? As in Juliet's flashbacks, mothers were actually dying.

Here's how I understand it:
- Ethan cured Claire by injecting her with the medicine
- But the bad part was that either he alone, or all of the Others not only kidnapped her, but were planning to take the baby for experimental purposes

- Juliet did indeed cure Claire
- But the bad part is that they were saving her from the sickness they started to make Juliet look good


Unless of course you guys are saying her lie was the reason Claire was sick in this episode.

Not likely - there's circular logic here.

Circular idea:
Claire is sick, but there is no implant ->
But what about Ben telling Juliet it's an implant? Well, Ben's conning her ->
But what about the accurate time it took for Claire to become sick? ->
Ah, simple, Claire is sick, but there is no implant...

At least that's how I understand what you're saying :(
You're talking about timing, I assume? If there was no implant, then how convenient that Claire got sick just at the right time for Ben to produce a serum? I suppose you're right, but I still think it's an angle worth considering.

After the pregnant woman in Juliet's FB dies, she tells Ben she thinks the problem (of the mother's immune system attacking the unborn baby) must be happening at conception. (I'm thinking maybe it's the man's fault: poison sperm. ;) ) Anyway, if her theory is true, then Claire is the perfect test case because she conceived months ago, off-island (as far as we know :eek2: ). So why would they inject her with any drugs?! That just spoils everything. Claire means nothing to the Others emotionally; why not just watch and see if she dies or not.

However, maybe what Juliet said about Ethan kidnapping Claire on his own is true. Perhaps he did get emotionally involved with Claire and with the idea of the pitter-patter of little feet around the compound. Maybe he had a pregnant wife who died on the island. He was very sweet with Claire. I think he ruined the experiment by injecting her and he did it on his own because he didn't want to run the risk of her dying. When the rest of the Others discovered she was there, I think they decided to make use of the opportunity and 'implant' her - for tracking, for monitoring vital signs, for making her sick on demand and who knows what else. (Yikes! What if they could impregnate her?! . . . Nah.) I don't think there were any plans involving murder. As someone else posted, I think Alex was mistaken about that.

sounds like the writers just "leave things out" on purpose so they can comeback and make up goofy stories. the implant sounds as made up as Nikki being green-screened into the Pilot.

When Patchy stitched up Sayid's arm, I suggested that perhaps he implated some kind of tracking device in the wound, but was quickly shot down... :biggrin: . I'm totally willing to admit that the idea is far-fetched, but now that we know Claire had an implant, do you think Sayid could have one, too?

I don't think Ethan went rogue as Juliette suggested. I think that was just another lie. They had the room all ready for her and Tom was there chatting with Ethan like it was normal that Claire was there--right? He did say something about "him" to Ethan... oh dear, can't remember. But I bet one of YOU can!! :biggrin: Anyway, I think they implated Claire as a "fail safe" in case they ever needed to screw around with the Losties' brains.

I wonder how they activated the implant since communications have been down since the implosion.....hmmmm......

I think whoever said Claire was a "Tagged Bird" is correct, the rest of those injections after they took her was some sort of setative/halucinigenic.

makes you wonder what kind of withdrawals Desmond is having, doesn't it?

Maybe one of the seabirds was being remotely controlled from Otherville HQ and had a specially fitted robotic syringe in its beak.
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