No, I don't mean that they assume Kate got pregnant after one night in the cage. Doesn't seem terribly likely. But what if at Kate & Ben's beach breakfast she was given the knockout juice and was then artificially inseminated? She wouldn't know specifically what was done to her, but we all know she was shaken by something that occurred between the breakfast and the time she was put in the cage. Juliet could have done this. Then they set her up in the dress, giving her access to Sawyer's cage and putting him in extreme peril hoping to intensify the relationsip to the point where they'd make love. Then later when Kate discovers she's pregnant she'd assume it was Sawyer's and wouldn't suspect that she was being used. (Boy would she be surprised when she gives birth to a bug-eyed creep...ewww!)

Using their "luv scene" to manipulate Jack might have just been an added bonus.

Too far-fetched? :nuts:

Wouldn't they have just kept Kate in custody in order to easily monitor her, either the first or second time she was captured?

Hmmm very interesting... It didn't even cross my mind that Kate could be pregnant. That would definitely spice things up a bit between her/Jack/Sawyer..... wouldn't it?

I'm totally a proponant of the 'fertility' theory, but one of the holes was - why would they make Kate chop and haul rocks? Is that some sort of way to make the body work harder to conceive? I've never heard of that and it seems counter-intuitive.

If Kate tells Sawyer she's pregnant, I bet that's how they discover their Cassidy connection.

Another big hole to this theory is that TPTB said there was nothing more to the Breakfast scene. There was a deleted scene where Kate was taken back to the lockerroom, where she tried to get out of the cuffs and then brokedown, which explains her appearance/ cut wrists when she gets to the cages - that scene will be on the DVDs.

interesting thought. i thought juliet really came to monitor sun's pregnancy, but i did have a theory months ago that kate was impregnated without her knowledge. i always felt like we missed something that happened to kate between that breakfast with ben and getting put in the cage. and pushing her and sawyer together seemed simply like a good way to explain the origin of an unexpected pregnancy. once i saw that juliet had a magic pregnancy "serum", i felt better about the theory that kate was impregnated for some reason.
lately, however, it seemed to have been implied that all the others really wanted was jack, needing him to perform that surgery, and that setting the stage for sawyer and kate to hook up was really about manipulating jack. i was believing they really didn't want anything to do with kate and sawyer.
now that i see that juliet is working with ben still, and her focus on the island is to figure out the pregnancy dilemna, i'm thinking maybe both theories are right.
they did need jack for the surgery, but perhaps he also served a dual purpose, giving juliet a way into the losties camp to continue experiments on pregnant women. and they needed kate to manipulate jack, but they also wanted her to test their prenatal treatments.
and if this is the case, i don't think it's weird to have let kate go back to the losties. they apparently didn't plan to take clare and thought ethan could monitor her at the beach. juliet can do this now with sun, and with kate, if she is actually pregnant.
what's interesting, however, is that injection that juliet gave clare. wasn't that the magic "knock up" serum? she basically got permission from jack to start injecting clare again. will that make her pregnant too?
i hope this is all wrong, though. pregnant women have to sit around and be boring. doesn't seem to me that kate's character will go that way.

No, I don't mean that they assume Kate got pregnant after one night in the cage. Doesn't seem terribly likely. But what if at Kate & Ben's beach breakfast she was given the knockout juice and was then artificially inseminated? She wouldn't know specifically what was done to her, but we all know she was shaken by something that occurred between the breakfast and the time she was put in the cage. Juliet could have done this. Then they set her up in the dress, giving her access to Sawyer's cage and putting him in extreme peril hoping to intensify the relationsip to the point where they'd make love. Then later when Kate discovers she's pregnant she'd assume it was Sawyer's and wouldn't suspect that she was being used. (Boy would she be surprised when she gives birth to a bug-eyed creep...ewww!)

Using their "luv scene" to manipulate Jack might have just been an added bonus.

Too far-fetched? :nuts:

Too far-fetched. But fun!

My hunch is that Sun is the reason Juliet's there, not Kate...it just makes more sense. I think they know she's pregnant- in fact it's quite possible that the father of Sun's baby will turn out to be none other than Juliet's magic serum! I know this sounds a little far-fetched, but maybe not so much after all.

I mean, The Others know ALOT of info about the 815ers so my guess is that they know of Jin's sterility, which would make Sun a perfect "control" subject. Why couldn't they have performed the "ol' needle to the tummy" trick at night on her, the same way they extracted blood from Claire and the same way Juliet impregnated her sister? And now, more than ever, they need Sun as a guinea pig to see if they can keep her alive through the birth of her child. But probably the biggest thing that makes me think it's Sun, is the comment Juliet made to Ben when she said she thought the problem might be conceiving on the island and said she needed to take a pregnant woman off the island to be able to test that theory. I think the big key will be when Sun conceived.
Did she:
A. Conceive with Jin or her man-toy off the island before the crash, or
B. Conceive on the island after the crash?
My hunch is that it will turn out to be on the island, whether by Jin or assistance from The Others. This makes more sense as it would would make her much needed by Ben and crew.

If this were true than Juliet wouldn't have whooped up on her! :grin:

If this were true than Juliet wouldn't have whooped up on her! :grin:

Hee, :redface: that occurred to me while I was brushing my teeth this a.m. Unless, Juliet is sabotaging her own experiment... and... and... she's Jacob but really Jack's brother... and Smoky... umm...4...8...16... Dave, is that you?

(About Bunnies is gently disengaged from her keyboard and taken away.)

Some of us had an interesting thread going last week about the possibility of Kate being pregnant. The general theme seemed to be a distaste for this, as it would be soap opera-esque. Agreed. However, I just don't find it too far fetched that The Others would love for Kate to be pregnant. After all, Ben did say last night that they'll "just have to get more mothers".

The entire scene with Sawyer and Kate in the cage, making desperate "I'll never see you again" love, all while Jack is watching, was so deliberate and intricately staged. Hey, Kate may not be pregnant, but it wouldn't be the worst thing if she ended up so.

MARS NEEDS WOMEN! Or, in this case, The Island and The Others need women of child bearing age, whether they fall from the sky already 'with child', or they conceive on the island. It's all good.

I, too, hope that Kate is not pregnant. However, as I posted on another thread, it may be that the problem with conceiving on the island is the SPERM, and that Juliet's research is aimed at impregnating women without a male contribution. (Didn't she make male rates pregnant, back in the Real World?)

Michael is the father and I'm not going to bother explaining why again.

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Another big hole to this theory is that TPTB said there was nothing more to the Breakfast scene. There was a deleted scene where Kate was taken back to the lockerroom, where she tried to get out of the cuffs and then brokedown, which explains her appearance/ cut wrists when she gets to the cages - that scene will be on the DVDs.

TPTB have said there is nothing more to the breakfast scene?? They left us hanging with Kate visibly shaken and Ben saying "the next two weeks are going to be very unpleasant" indicating a reference to something important said between them that we weren't privy to and we may never find out what else he told her!! (Sorry for the run-on sentence but it was a run-on thought in my head)

No, I don't mean that they assume Kate got pregnant after one night in the cage. Doesn't seem terribly likely. But what if at Kate & Ben's beach breakfast she was given the knockout juice and was then artificially inseminated? She wouldn't know specifically what was done to her, but we all know she was shaken by something that occurred between the breakfast and the time she was put in the cage. Juliet could have done this. Then they set her up in the dress, giving her access to Sawyer's cage and putting him in extreme peril hoping to intensify the relationsip to the point where they'd make love. Then later when Kate discovers she's pregnant she'd assume it was Sawyer's and wouldn't suspect that she was being used. (Boy would she be surprised when she gives birth to a bug-eyed creep...ewww!)

Using their "luv scene" to manipulate Jack might have just been an added bonus.

Too far-fetched? :nuts:

Good theory!