C'mon...theyre at an airport of some sort...and she wakes up on a sub? Something is bothering me about that. Maybe TPTB said there was no time travel...but, something is amiss here. This island is not on planet earth...at least not in THIS dimension.

C'mon...theyre at an airport of some sort...and she wakes up on a sub? Something is bothering me about that. Maybe TPTB said there was no time travel...but, something is amiss here. This island is not on planet earth...at least not in THIS dimension.

Maybe they had to fly to where the sub was docked?

yeah if she was in miami still, which makes sense since she drove there with her sister...

she must have flied to the west coast and then taken on a sub to the island. since there are in the pacific.

I usually just browse around here, dont really like to stick my neck out...but...this is just eating at me. To me...Ben has the sub there as a prop, more or less. It cant take anyone home...so...how could it bring someone TO the island. Whyd they have to tranquilize her for a submarine ride? Because getting to the island takes MORE than a sub ride....I dont know.

I think they had to tranquilize her to get her to the island and then they put her in the sub and let her wake up there, making her believe that she had gotten to the island by sub. That's one of my theories.

Another possible theories is that perhaps the sub really did work and Locke really did blow up one of the Losties chances off the island.

I usually just browse around here, dont really like to stick my neck out...but...this is just eating at me. To me...Ben has the sub there as a prop, more or less. It cant take anyone home...so...how could it bring someone TO the island. Whyd they have to tranquilize her for a submarine ride? Because getting to the island takes MORE than a sub ride....I dont know.

Why can't it take anyone home?

I usually just browse around here, dont really like to stick my neck out...but...this is just eating at me. To me...Ben has the sub there as a prop, more or less. It cant take anyone home...so...how could it bring someone TO the island. Whyd they have to tranquilize her for a submarine ride? Because getting to the island takes MORE than a sub ride....I dont know.

ITA. I think the tranquilizers were used to knock Juliet out so she would have no idea how she really got to the island, and would just assume she arrived by sub when she woke up on one. Perhaps this is how all of Ben's new staff members are brought to the island?

good theory. i hadn't really thought about how she may have been set up to think she came there in a sub. ethan kept saying how rough the ride was, and maybe it's not at all. i did notice, however, that once she got out of the sub, ethan stayed in and the closed the hatch behind her, as if ethan and the others were taking off again.
i'm also still hoping that locke really didn't blow up the sub, but just submerged it and staged the explosion.

What if she was air-dropped like Dharma food supply? :)
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good theory. i hadn't really thought about how she may have been set up to think she came there in a sub. ethan kept saying how rough the ride was, and maybe it's not at all. i did notice, however, that once she got out of the sub, ethan stayed in and the closed the hatch behind her, as if ethan and the others were taking off again.
i'm also still hoping that locke really didn't blow up the sub, but just submerged it and staged the explosion.

Something is fishy about this sub. It was as if they were really pointing it out to us when the guy on the dock closed the sub hatch behind Juliet and Ethan and Co never got out. We could suppose they were taking off to go to Alcatraz or something but why make it so obvious?

There was no actual travel shown on screen. It was yet another con to add to the list. We don't know how she got to the island.

The fact that the writers spent some time having Juliet take heavy tranquilizers under the guise of "it's a bumpy ride" means that the character Juliet should not know how she got to the island (as in, it wasn't by sub) or that the character Juliet should not know what it's really like getting to the island (some sort of sci-fi transition, time portal, etc). The use of the time to set the tranquilizers up doesn't make sense to me, as they could just had her arriving to the island by sub. Just my two cents...

I think everyone is over thinking this. They have always been secret about everything, I just think they did not want her to see where the other base was located. The one where the sub is and where the Sheriff comes from. (Sub was) They flew to THAT location, transferred her to the sub and voila, she wakes up on the island, and has no clue as to landmarks she would have seen as to their true location.

I believe they are somewhere near the ant-arctic, and the island is under climate control. So flying over the Antarctic would have been a definite landmark. The end of season 1 shows the big ship in icy waters.

The sub could be to sail under the magnetic field which screws up the navigation systems of boats. And also to sail under the ICE floating (Ice Bergs) near the antarctic.

I'm in agreement here, that the Juliet didn't get there by sub. I just finished rewatching that whole section of the show again and it does seem like a setup. I don't think the airport was even an airport. Juliet mentioned how she didn't know there was an aiport around there (because there wasn't!). And then the tranquilizers, and she woke up strapped in because it's so bumpy... and Ethan looked awfully chipper for just having come through such a bumpy ride. It's all just set dressing and we still don't have any idea where they are or how they get there.

Ethan's comment about part of the Sub ride being a tough ride was interesting.....if she did get there by sub, I'd love to see what he was talking about.

"Its a bumpy ride?" Does this mean inner earth errrr down the rabbit hole?

So is Juliet's relationship with Goodwin a con as well?

Because if Ethan is in on the transportation con, then I would assume Goodwin was also.

Why can't it take anyone home?

Because Locke blew it up! - And before that it was because of the electromagnetic anomaly.

Ozieozwall...I was thinking something similar. Do you know that if you go to the dig-a-hole webstite, and dig a hole from southern Florida, you end up in the Indian Ocean? So if 815 did in fact fly the wrong direction - opposite from what we'd assume if they were going the most direct route to LA - they could have crashed there.

First time poster, so be gentle! :)

I've come to the conclusion that the submarine is just a big red herring. Submarine, schmubmarine... Who cares any more about that dumb boat? It's all meant to side track people from what the really important stuff is, I think.:undecide:

I'm not sure why noone has mentioned it yet, but if you watch closely it appears as though someone comes out of the water to shut the sub hatch behind Juliet. It's as if the sub (and it is) is a prop in a play, definitely no ripples of water or movement around it.I know we could assume it took a while to dock and unsubmerge, but thats not what scary guy said, he says oh juliet hello we just arrived.Clearly this was for show and not for go....

I've come to the conclusion that the submarine is just a big red herring. Submarine, schmubmarine... Who cares any more about that dumb boat? It's all meant to side track people from what the really important stuff is, I think.:undecide:

So what on-screen evidence did you rely upon to reach that conclusion about the sub? Just curious.

So what on-screen evidence did you rely upon to reach that conclusion about the sub? Just curious.

It's been blown up. I myself have no doubt about that, although I would quite handily give another the right to argue against it. But from what I've seen, I believe the sub is history, and because of that it really doesn't factor all that much into things any more in the plot, in my opinion.

However, maybe I am being too hasty in my judgement. I trust the writers of Lost to not turn this series into some sort of "Stargate Atlantis". Instead of being evidence of the Island being in some other dimension, or something like that, the submarine could be a key to understanding some of the properties of the Island's uniqueness. It could be that the only real way to get away from the Island would be to travel under the sea, and thus under some sort of "fence" that surrounds the Island above sea level. However, why then was Flight 815 able to successfully fly to the Island? Why did Desmond's boat sail to it? There are some very strange things about this. Can things enter the Island's perimeter, but not leave without going under the sea? This is all very confusing.

I suppose the reason the submarine bothers me is that it can lead one to start doing precisely what I was talking about above: look at Lost as some goofy version of Stargate Atlantis. I would seriously be dissappointed if that is what ends up happening to the series. So please accept my apologies for poo-pooing talk about the submarine.

does a submarine require you to go through pressurization, or is that only scuba? i know i wouldnt want to sit in a decompression chamber for 20 hours...at least not conciously. just a thought

does a submarine require you to go through pressurization, or is that only scuba? i know i wouldnt want to sit in a decompression chamber for 20 hours...at least not conciously. just a thought

Going through a decompression chamber is necessary when your body has been exposed to high levels of pressure as a result of being submersed under many tons of water at depth. This doesn't happen, though when one is within a submarine, which maintains a pressure similar to that of sea level. So, yeah, it's really for when you scuba dive, not diving in a submarine, that you'd need to decompress.

I've come to the conclusion that the submarine is just a big red herring. Submarine, schmubmarine... Who cares any more about that dumb boat? It's all meant to side track people from what the really important stuff is, I think.:undecide:

There has to be a reason someone brought it here though. If it doesn't play into the current story, it plays into the island history. Maybe it was brought by Dharma during the purge to sink the hostiles/others transport ships.

There might be a runway somewhere in the main island or in a smaller one.

I believe the sub isn't the only way out and Juliet knows it. Perhaps she accepted being infiltrated in the Losties' camp (because who in their right mind would subject herself to Sayid's interrogations?) only because she is still negotiating her ticket to get out of the island. Jack is being conned... but we knew that already.

Okay, I've got to admit it, I've pondered the submarine thing for a long time. Why a submarine? Where can a sub go that other modes of transportation can't go? Under iceburgs? And why was Juliet surprised she was bound but not surprised she was in a submarine? My conclusion, the submarine is suppose to be a given. You can fly to the island but you can't land--balloon, small plane, or a jumbo jet--without someone dying. You can sail there but you will wash ashore lucky to be alive. That only leaves a submarine because a submarine won't fall out of the sky or be hit by giant waves. I've finally decided to take it at face value, the submarine is the only safe method to get to the island.

But where does it come from to get there if Ben himself says even God can't see the Island? Are we back to tunnels? Some underwater city or cave system..they were in a lagoon...did anyone see a channel that would lead to the ocean or do they submerge and go under it?

unless submarine is just a symbol for the "sub"conscious. there is no real physical displacement taking place. you just submerge into your own subconsciousness, somehow connected to those of others, a la matrix. not a theory i would root for as it would be cheating from a previous successful idea.

Please excuse me if any of this has been discussed. I think that it is very important to keep in mind that somehow food drops have landed on the island. The others have most likely been recieving food drops like the losties swan station food drops as seen with ben's fridge. There has obviously been some sort of flying machine, be it an airplane, helicopter or even a hot air ballon(unlikely but as none of the losties have actually seen what dropped the food, we can't be completely sure). I think it is safe to assume that those flying machines can make it over the Island without crashing. They also must have flown low enough to drop the food safely and relatively close to a specific target.

Now the submarine has not been seen in operation. We have somewhat of a comfirmation that the beacon underwater was operational before the sky turned purple because we know that the communications in the flame were working and we have heard, from ben I believe, that the beacon was operational. We have definite comfirmation that the beacon no longer works from the flames chess game computer. I've been thinking about that submarine and have to assume that it was some sort of old navy sub due to the relative unavailability of submarines of that sort by the general public. We have seen very little of the sub inside, but from what I saw it seems like the inside is in amazing shape all things considered.

Now if we were to assume that the only way you can find the island is by the beacon for some reason, I would say that it was(before the sky turned purple) possible to get on and off the island by flying there and by submarine(keep in mind that the only airplanes/boats that crashed onto the island did not have the intent of going there originally) as long as you knew what you were doing as with the dharma/others.

So did Jules get onto the island with the submarine? Well those of you that have read everything I wrote up to now, thanks for reading. The answer in my mind is that it doesn't matter at all. If she got there by means of flying, everyone(others) would notice and all know that they still have a way off the island. I don't think everyone would be able to keep it from her for three years. If she got there by submarine, it would make the absolute most sense. People(others) would know that there is a way off and on the Island via submarine. We saw her on the submarine. The tang that Jules inhaled was in no doubt in my mind given to her to keep her from seeing how to get to the island. It is most likely important for ben to keep his word and because of this, the sub would seem even more likely to be a real working machine. Not to mention the possibility that I haven't seen anyone mention of other people aside from juliet arriving on the island via submarine after she arrived. It also fits perfectly with the whole ben being glad locke blew up the sub thing. Somehow Ethan got off and on the island. All of the people(others) believed so heavily that that sub could get them off if they needed to get off. They would most definitely notice if it was still there when Ethan brought over juliet. We at least know for sure that the thing can at the very least submerge. O k, I've talked enough, what do you guys think?

I like the idea someone in an earlier thread someone linked to when they likened travel to the Island like Jaunting in the Stephen King collection Skeleton Crew. To Jaunt is to sort of worm hole, or step through the looking glass and instantly appear somewhere else. The "somewhere" rather than "sometime" else is important as there is the novel travel experience without the time travel. Also, for anyone who hasn't read the thread or remember the short story, you had be unconscious to Jaunt, or the instantaneous travel your physical body would experience would pale in comparison to the literal eons of time your mind would seem to perceive if it were awake: you'd go insane. Cool story btw!:)

I read an Iain M Banks sci-fi novel before where you had to be drugged before you were 'transported' and that you would go insane if you were awake for the trip. Just thought I'd mention it as there could be many possible ways this type of logic could be relevant to our story. It could also be purely out of secrecy as they don't want her (and by extension everyone else) knowing where they were flying to.

I do think it's obvious there were (at least) 2 steps to her trip to the island. Whether there's anything 'different' about the plane journey or whether they just fly to somewhere with a dock for the final stage. Ethan does mention on 2 separate occasion that the flight can be pretty intense, and the last part is the worst (IIRC).