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OMG!!! That was awesome... I thought that Desmond is going alittle crazy or so it seems... The ending was awesome!

Glad there's a neutral thread, because I thought it was meh. The best part was the backstory. It was interesting to see that Sun is the reason that Jin had to become a hitman to begin with. But the island story was painfully slow.

Glad there's a neutral thread, because I thought it was meh. The best part was the backstory. It was interesting to see that Sun is the reason that Jin had to become a hitman to begin with. But the island story was painfully slow.

"meh"
couldn't have said it any better myself pacejunkie
well put.

i wasn't even that intrigued by the backstory, although again i have to agree with you, it was interesting to see that Sun caused Jin to become one of Paik's goons.

Glad there's a neutral thread, because I thought it was meh. The best part was the backstory. It was interesting to see that Sun is the reason that Jin had to become a hitman to begin with. But the island story was painfully slow.

PapaThor and the entire Thor Family agree that it was so-so. It felt like a side story or a footnote at best. We rate it at a solid 5 (out of 10) because it was not really really good and it wasn't bad bad.

The entire story took place over what? one day or two at the most. I kinda knew that it was going to be boring (shut your mouth) but I didn't want to say anything.

P. S. I am really glad we have a Neutral Thread for this episode.

IF I loved the epi but like discussing the pros and cons can I still post here?

IF I loved the epi but like discussing the pros and cons can I still post here?

not that this means anything.....
but you sure have my blessing to discuss away
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not that this means anything.....
but you sure have my blessing to discuss away
:biggrin:

Great -

Then can I say that I hate the way the Losties trust the Others so much - again like Charlie said they can't be trusted -
and Sayid saying they HUNG CHARLIE we cannot forget that.
Charlie doesn't forget he was hung - but everyone else goes alone with the Others -

P. S. I am really glad we have a Neutral Thread for this episode.


AMEN! I'm glad they finally gave us a 'Neutral' sticky.

Most of the episodes this season for me have been Neutral... unfortunately.

It's true Charlie still seems to be one of the few (besides Sayid) who takes the threat of the Others seriously. No one else seems to be bothered by them. But Charlie's right, they started it. But I guess people react to threats in different ways depending on what's been done to them personally. If it's a near killing like Charlie, they might act out, if it's a more diffuse threat, they might downplay it, pretend it doesn't exist or just look out for themselves.

I agree on the "meh" feeling. The backstory wasn't that interesting to me. The most interesting point was seeing why Jin had to become a hitman and seeing Sun get that hard as stone attitude towards Jin's "mother". I think it could certainly come in to play in the future. Sun is nice and sweet most of the time, but if push comes to shove she'll rip you apart if needed. now that she knows she has nothing to lose, we may see that come out a bit more to at least make sure her husband survives.

I'm a bit surprised that Charlie is the only one acting that way towards the Others. If it were me in that situation I would trust any of them as far as I could throw them, and would let everyone know it too. Maybe everyone else is just taking a watch and wait approach. Although that seems a bit silly to me considering everything the Others have done to them.

The island action was ok, it was nice to have three storylines at the same time. But the flashback was quite useless. It walked a long way towards the island mysteies, though, and that sounds promising.
And also, besides the famous Jackfaces, we now have the Charliefaces...

I couldn't even be bothered to stay up to watch the episode....but of course I taped it. Before I watched it, I posted in the hated it thread. I am still pissed by that last scene...but as for the rest of the episode...meh...

I do love Sun, and I was very happy to see her show how much she loved Jin BUT, correct me if I am wrong, didn't she then force him into a life of crime and then on top of that was going to leave him because of it.

I wanted to know if anyone else was annoyed with Desmond bringing up the fact that the Losties have killed more of the Others?

It annoyed me because 1) how does he know? and 2) why do they keep bringing this up?

Why do they keep trying to equalize the bad things done by the plane crash survivors who were attacked and killed by the others first - in some cases the same night these poor people were trying to come to terms with the fact that they had just been through a horrific plane crash...

I liked learning new info about Jin and Sun, and the mystery of what parachute girl said.

But what I did not like in a MAJOR SUPER NOT LIKE kinda way:
Patchy not being dead. Granted hes a good character, but for christs sake if TPTB said once your dead, your dead; Stick with it!
None of this wishy-washy BS.
"well he wasnt really dead, it just looked like that."
Next thing you know, they will be telling us, "Well it was purgatory, but we you guys guessed it right away, so we said it wasnt."

I do not like having TPTB "confirm" shit, then think of some BS loophole.

And seriously, in what episode will they stop acting like morons, and letting people go?

Sun is nice and sweet most of the time, but if push comes to shove she'll rip you apart if needed.I thought that was also the whole point of "The Glass Balerina" episode. It's kind of a shame they thought they needed another flashback to reinforce a point they already made. I suspected it would be a "meh" episode when I found out it was another Jin & Sun FB.

On the other hand, at least it wasn't another "Jin angers Sun by being controlling, but by the end he learns the error of his ways" storyline...

The flashback was really unnecessary. Should we start a "vote the fbs off the island" campaign"? For next season, I really think they should be exterminated.
But, on the upside, what great actress is Elizabeth Mitchell: she is so adorable and so scary at the same time...
And a good mark too to the guy that played Jin's father. Subtle, delicate, engaging. Great actor.

eta: and, what is worse, they did not use the parachutist's name so we will have to use Naomi for at least another week....:rolleyes:

I'm a bit surprised that Charlie is the only one acting that way towards the Others. If it were me in that situation I would trust any of them as far as I could throw them, and would let everyone know it too. Maybe everyone else is just taking a watch and wait approach. Although that seems a bit silly to me considering everything the Others have done to them.
Don't forget my man Jin!!!

I was on the more positive end of "meh" this episode. I didn't find too much to hate, but it didn't drive me wild either.

Jin & Sun episodes always make me feel ambivalent. While I love both characters, I really want to see more interaction between them and others in the present. Their flashbacks can be redundant and boring so it makes J&S episodes kind of bittersweet - we get to see Jin and Sun in the forefront, but we have to suffer through their slow flashbacks. This time around, the flashbacks weren't quite redundant, but instead they didn't seem to flow with what we've already learned. On the other hand, I kind of think this adds an extra layer of complexity to their already complex and sad relationship. Think back to the time when Jin came home with blood literally on his hands and how he tried to hide it from Sun. Think about the fact that she basically knew what was going on! I can see how people might not like this, but I think it's kind of an interesting element. Second best line of the night: "My husband believes you to be dead. Don't make me make that a reality" (paraphrased) Hardcore Sun PAIK is kind of awesome. Oh, also, Jin's dad is SO cute. What a heartwarming guy!

On the island? Ugh. Desmond really disappointed me. Desmond, Charlie, and Hurley do not an A Team make. I can't believe they let Mikhail go. I also kind of wish Charlie had said something more than, "Kate mentioned him" like maybe: "Kate mentioned a guy wearing a giant eye patch!" It just seemed weird, like the writers were trying to tell us, "See! This is how Charlie randomly knows who Mikhail is! Oh yeah, and see! The characters DO talk to each other! Double whammy!" I got the point of it, but it would have been nicer to have a little bit of clarity. Because why would Charlie just assume that a random guy in the jungle was the same guy who shot Sayid and that Locke supposedly KILLED!!!

I wish Sun's brain hadn't stopped working after the first 15 minutes of the episode. First, she agrees to go with Juliet in the middle of the night without even suggesting they bring Kate (or someone!) along. Then, Ms. Suspicious S. Kwan just lets Juliet mosey on back down into the hatch(type place) all by herself? Why not thoroughly clean up before they exited? And why not use two people to make sure? I'm also disappointed that Sun seemed to be elated that the baby was Jin's as though it would erase the fact that she cheated on him to begin with. I can see how she'd be happy if she was going to live AND the baby was Jin's, but I felt that her reaction was disingenuous (on the writers' part) - so... she just learned she's going to die in two months, but she's over the moon because the baby (that will also die) is Jin's? At this point, who cares? Sun still slept with Jae. So what if his sperm missed the boat?

As for Juliet, I don't know what to think about her. Inherently, I like her. I am a fan of Elizabeth Mitchell, and I think Juliet is a pretty cool character. But I'm not sure how I feel about constantly getting jerked around each episode. Is she good? Is she bad? Is she being honest now? Is she being deceptive now? I just feel like it has already started to get tiring. I'd like to see her make a choice soon. Or barring that, I'd like to see into her motivations. I guess with only 4 episodes left, we should find out soon... maybe?

Best line of the night: "......I. Hate. You."

I do love Sun, and I was very happy to see her show how much she loved Jin BUT, correct me if I am wrong, didn't she then force him into a life of crime and then on top of that was going to leave him because of it.

That's what happens when you come up with a twist later and try to retrofit it into the backstories with a sledgehammer. Sun was constantly coming down on Jin for the work he did, and now we learn that she basically sold him into servitude. You'd think she'd shut up about it over the guilt. But it's just like how Claire's mother turned out to be on life support even though in her first flashback she talked about her mother like she was alive and well.

I wanted to know if anyone else was annoyed with Desmond bringing up the fact that the Losties have killed more of the Others?

It annoyed me because 1) how does he know? and 2) why do they keep bringing this up?

Why do they keep trying to equalize the bad things done by the plane crash survivors who were attacked and killed by the others first - in some cases the same night these poor people were trying to come to terms with the fact that they had just been through a horrific plane crash...

:wavey: Me! Me! Drives me crazy. Every. Single. Time. Strict body count without taking into account the reasons for the deaths (intentional v. self defense for example) is not how a justice system works and it's not a measure of morality.

I was kind of "meh" about this episode.

RE: Backstory. I was surprised that Sun gave into the blackmail from Jin's mom so easily.. I found the resolution to the blackmail plot a bit too neat. Blackmailers don't usually go away when paid off. They come back for more. And, obviously Daddy's reputation was not enough to frighten the woman the first time. Even though Sun threatened her she also paid her. Sun should've given her less, or nothing I was expecting some neat twist there and in the end it was sort of anti-climatic.

The scenes with Jin's father were sweet 'tho. I felt bad for him. Jin should not be ashamed of his Dad. He should've invited him to the wedding.

I found the whole baby and 'who's the baby daddy' a bit dreary and soap operatic. Plus, I found Juliet expressions, especially the sympathetic 'head tilt' a bit overdone. Thse scene where she sneaks into Sun's tent to wake her up was unneccessary and just added to increase the drama. Would anyone seriously go into the jungle with an Other who acted as peculiar as Juliette?

I liked the subplot with the Russian character Mikhail and the parachutist. I was intrigued by the phone, and the final revelation. I wanted more scenes with Hurley, Jin and Charlie in the jungle. Desmond was a bit of a limp dishrag in this one.

Overall, this was a filler episode for me. Nothing to detest, but nothing that has me rewinding and wanting to watch it again. I did think Sun looked particularly beautiful in this episode. her hair is getting very long!

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:wavey: Me! Me! Drives me crazy. Every. Single. Time. Strict body count without taking into account the reasons for the deaths (intentional v. self defense for example) is not how a justice system works and it's not a measure of morality.

Agreed! The body count thing really misrepresents the situation and I wish Damon would stop throwing up this technicality to suggest the Lostees are somehow worse that the Others. A group of plane crash victims were attacked. They have my sympathys.

And by the way, the Others haven't killed less Lostees through lack of trying! Charlie might have died from the hanging. Michael, Jin and Sawyer might have died from the raft being blown up. Sun might have died when Tom shot her off the boat. Claire might have died from them cutting the baby out of her or the sickness chip. Pickett might have shot Sawyer, etc...

Charlie is right. The Others have been trying to kill them (even if they haven't succeeded on a lot of occassions). The body count could have higher for the Lostess. It is no credit to the Others that they failed in some of their attempted murders.

The flashback was really unnecessary. Should we start a "vote the fbs off the island" campaign"? For next season, I really think they should be exterminated.


I think the flashbacks are completely necessary to the show. First of all, when was the last time you saw Claire do anything important, expect for get sick? Par Avion. Giving the "minor" characters such as Claire Sun and Jin give the actors the screentime they need.

Also, I don't think the show moves fast enough to do all Island episodes. I think, that instead of doing flashbacks with no point like Catch-22 and SIASL they should come up with different storylines for the characters to flash back to.

Also, I they have to keep giving flashbacks to new characters, and it wouldn't be smooth if they only gave the newbies flashbacks.

Ok, I'm ranting now, I just really love the flashbacks.

Yeah I didn't like the flashback either. You learn cool things in the episode, like the patch-eye-guy is still alive, but the rest of the episode was poorly conceived (no pun intended). I kinda sorta liked seeing Juliette and Son working with each other. And I liked seeing Juliette talking into the voice recorder to Ben. I did not like the flashback, mostly because Son and Jin flashbacks are my least favorite because: 1) they never meet anybody from the island or Dharma, and 2) They all deal with relationship issues, which I hate. Here's how I now determine if I liked the episode or not, after watching the episode I say to myself, do I think I would miss out on something if I did not watch this episode? Here the answer is no, because I would be just as surprised to see the patch eye guy show up again later. And as for the helicopter girl? Well, I'm not really impressed because she hasn't said anything meaningful yet, and we see people come and go from the island all the time.

I've been re-watching the eppy tonight. Just wanna say that I am SO WAY AMAZED at the scenes between Yunjin and Liz. This is acting at its finest, and I just needed to type that here.

Oh, and I think Mr. Paik was both angry and devastated that his precious little girl turned out to be her father's daughter. I really think he wanted her outside of all that. But no. I guess that's kind of his comuppance--and I guess he wanted her (and Jin) to suffer for that, too. His reaction to little Sun's lie about the maid in GB? Foreshadowing for this scene. She was this way all along--and I believe he hoped that college and finding her own man was an indication that she might take a different path. Didn't happen. Pity--for him, as well as her.