Will Sayid be able to figure out a way to get this phone to work on the island?

Here's a screencap: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26722428@N00/464762623/

There's a GPS button on the upper left, maybe it has the set path that the parachutist used? Then they could figure out where they are.. yes I doubt that would happen.

Discuss!

If this were a McGyver episode, that phone would be the main component...

Followed by paper clips..

I hope that will help locate.... can't help but notice it says "internal error".. I think the island shields the satellite

As soon as I saw the phone I thought of Sayid. Maybe he'll be able to make some use out of it.

Didn't the phone seem awfully familiar to Hurley?
I mean he knew exactly what it was,
exactly how to turn it on?
Kinda wouldn't have thought that about him.....
Sayid, yes, but Hurley?
hmmmmmmm

Didn't the phone seem awfully familiar to Hurley?
I mean he knew exactly what it was,
exactly how to turn it on?
Kinda wouldn't have thought that about him.....
Sayid, yes, but Hurley?
hmmmmmmm


I thought about that too, johnny! I gues the easy answer would be that after he won the lottery, he bought one and that would explains his familiarity with it.

I think the EMP is blocking most signals trying to get out and maybe even trying to get in. I think it will be another useless appliance on the island.

It looked dead. It may have been damaged in the fall, or the batteries may be shot. Theyll need to call up the Professor to get it working again.

Speaking of a satelite phone, I put this bit of trivia on the end of another
post ... that in the movie "Cast Away", the package that Hank's character
did not open contained a waterproof, solar-powered, satellite phone.

I can see that scene now. Chuck goes back to visit with Bettina and she
opens the package and says, "Let's see if it still works. Yup. It still works.
Hey Chuck, you don't look so good. Chuck?"

Talk about a Big Opps! Sometimes it doesn't pay to be too good.

Anyhoo, I think it would be a bit farfetched if Sayid repaired it. But you are right. Hurley did know what it was and knew how to turn it on. Hmmm!

saltwater, bleach, vinegar, and 2 different metals is all one needs to make a battery.

Did it's presence strike anyone as really, really bizarre? I mean, phones like that are barely in circulation now, so why would one character own one-and another be familiar with it-three years ago? Strange...

the Sat Phone looked very iPhone-ish to me <wink>.

Didn't the phone seem awfully familiar to Hurley?
I mean he knew exactly what it was,
exactly how to turn it on?
Kinda wouldn't have thought that about him.....
Sayid, yes, but Hurley?
hmmmmmmm

Don't forget that Hurley is a multi-millionaire. He probably has had a few toys like that. He wouldn't be worried about paying for one, that's for sure.

I know it said 'internal error' but do you think that maybe information that has already been programmed into the phone will still be there? Like GPS directions, or even e-mails? JHH, I'd like to learn how to make a battery.. sounds cool.

the Sat Phone looked very iPhone-ish to me <wink>.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/464762623_c0bf7e7688.jpg

Eh, a little. But Apple would never make something that fugly.

Okay here's my two cents on this topic:
1. The Satellite phone came with the helicopter pilot's job (to find Desmond) I'm betting that penny had a tracking device on his boat or something. The pilot has a copy of des and penny's picture so she can identify him or ask survivors( hey anyone seen this guy?)
I'm betting that the satellite phone will work if it has batteries. If this pilot works for Penny her people are tuned in on the whole magnetic anomoly thing so they equipped the pilot with something that should work through the magnetic interference.

2. Hurley knew what the satellite phone was because he seen one used in an episode of Expose' :)
my two cents

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/464762623_c0bf7e7688.jpg

Eh, a little. But Apple would never make something that fugly.


Actually, other people guessed that it was an iPhone, but it's not. Maybe it IS a Dharma phone!

I thought about that too, johnny! I gues the easy answer would be that after he won the lottery, he bought one and that would explains his familiarity with it.

I think the EMP is blocking most signals trying to get out and maybe even trying to get in. I think it will be another useless appliance on the island.

I kinda figured that too Guinevere. Would definately make sense. My only thought was that you don't really see them around much yet, and they're not exactly small and handy, so why would he even get one.....practically speaking. But it still does make sense, salesman prolly talked min into it or something :)


the Sat Phone looked very iPhone-ish to me <wink>.

i was thinking the exact same thing :)

I loved it when Hurley said it was dead...and Charlie responded with, "Shocking". It was exactly what I was thinking!
I can't wait to see Sayid trying to fix it...or doing anything else for that matter!

Yes, Satellite phones are not that popular nowadays with most consumers, but for certain situation there the only option. Lots of naval vessels are still equipped with them, but they have much larger rack mounted units. There's only a few companies that make them, Iridium and Globalstar are the two I remember off hand. My unit in the Air Force had a couple for when we were out in the middle of nowhere (unfortunately a frequent occurence). They were pretty unreliable, and expensive as hell to use. Couple of bucks a minute IIRC, but of course that wouldn't be an issue for Penelope.

i saw it and went "that looks like an apple iphone"

Not about the show, but a few days ago everyone's Blackberry's here in Toronto went all wacky and none of them worked.. just blank screens. My Dad said it was pretty much all over North America. Sometimes it's so hard to love technology!

Will Sayid be able to figure out a way to get this phone to work on the island?

Here's a screencap: http://www.flickr.com/photos/26722428@N00/464762623/

There's a GPS button on the upper left, maybe it has the set path that the parachutist used? Then they could figure out where they are.. yes I doubt that would happen.

Discuss!


It would be interesting to find out what type of sat phone that is and when they were made. It appears to have an all LCD screen....a fairly new type I'd think.

no homemade batteries could delier the amps needed for the phone. But there are enough laptops and whatnot i suspect that they could power it that way. Also with otherville you have power, Im sure that if the only problem is a dead battery that could be solved... but lets face it knowing this show, it is broken beyond that or the signal would be blocked...

and an EMP is a "pulse" not a long period thing, so it isnt being blocked by a pulse...

Okay here's my two cents on this topic:
1. The Satellite phone came with the helicopter pilot's job (to find Desmond) I'm betting that penny had a tracking device on his boat or something. The pilot has a copy of des and penny's picture so she can identify him or ask survivors( hey anyone seen this guy?)

Penny doesnt know that Desmonds will be with survivors of 815 though does she? She's looking for Desmond (and somehow knows that he'll be where the magnetic anomoly was). Maybe when the first anomoly happened (Day 1) it could've been noticed to Pen that 815 crashed on the same day, but the plane was 1000 miles off course so would two be connected? The helicopter woman will be working for Penny but I doubt she expected to be finding 35 or so plane crash survivors too, no?

and an EMP is a "pulse" not a long period thing, so it isnt being blocked by a pulse...

It could be an EM field though. The failsafe being turned dispersed the EM energy being built up and now it has formed a field or bubble around the island. Hence the copter crashing and the phone being inoperable if they ever do get it working lol.

Does anyone know of this phone? I have never seen one look like that most handheld sat phones are pretty ugly and don't work very well. You really need one with a base unit and antenna to work well. If anything this phone was released in the last year or two. Also all sat phone services i know of can locate the position of the phone all it needs it be is on.

That sat phone has never been made. There are only around 15 different types of handheld sat phones ever made (non-military of course) and none of them resemble that. Do note that the phone is different from when Jin holds it to when Hurley grabs it. When Jin is holding it, I believe it looks exactly like the (discontinued) Iridium 9500. Look at the distended earpiece and the antenna - when Jin is holding it, it is folded behind the phone. This phone is still rented out and even sold by some retailers and I think it would be easy for the producers to get one (perhaps a broken one on eBay). The face seen in the close-up is fake, which makes sense. No touch-screen phone would use a screen that narrow and long - useless for PDA functionality. Finally, generally Sat phones use very plain and boring (meaning, low power) screens. This helps battery life in situations (such as a deserted island jungle type thing) where power may not be readily available.

The flashiest sat phones by far are made by a company called Thuraya. Their coverage is limited to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Visiting their web page shows that even in 2007, the phones are still much more "boring" than the one pictured in the show. GlobalSat also makes some very plain, ugly sat phones. I think we have to just leave it at some imaginary (implied military grade) fake satellite phone. :)

Maybe Hurley was wrong and it's really a top secret definkulator technomabob made by Penny's daddio.

http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/Onyx.jpg

Closest thing I've found so far (besides the IPhone and a couple of touchscreen Blackberrys)

That sat phone has never been made. There are only around 15 different types of handheld sat phones ever made (non-military of course) and none of them resemble that....


Thanks for the info!
100%
http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/Onyx.jpg

Closest thing I've found so far (besides the IPhone and a couple of touchscreen Blackberrys)

That is close...

I guess that the general idea is that the telephone should look like an iPhone, and thus it could not exist two months after the plane crashed, which is suposedly the islands time, right? :confused:
right?

That's what I've been thinking too - satellite phones in 2004 wouldn't have been like the cell phones we have in 2007. Yes, we had color phones and neat stuff, but those were not sat phones - sat phones are still pretty bland. Only now are they starting to introduce color sat phones. *giddy with excitement

I remember TPTB said in a spoiler that I read a bit ago that something the parachuitist had would not belong in that time, or something to that sort, maybe the phone is it.

Anyone ever use one? What's the purpose? I know they're used for calls but I'm trying to understand why sat phones can be used on or near the island but not land lines.

The first thing i thought when Hurely turned it on and it failed was that I dont understand how the battery can be flat when she had only been on the island for < 24hours.

We know that Helicopters dont have a huge range so i think it would be odd if she left on a solo (was she flying solo?) recon/rescue mission with a flat satellite phone. Something on the island might have caused the batteries to go flat but we already know that Rousseu had batteries in her "hideout" that were working and had been there a while and one of them was used but Michael, Sawyer and Jin on the raft so i dont think batteries are the problem.

There has to be more to that phone not working than flat batteries, i just have no idea what.

They should be usable on the Island. Remember, the battery in Naomi's phone was dead, they never said that the phone wouldn't work.

Essentially the idea is to get ride of towers, so that a call can be placed from anywhere. Motorola spent a huge amount of money putting the satellite network in place, thinking that sat phones would be tremendously popular. Unfortunately for them they aren't, and the company took a huge loss on the project. I think mostly they are used by people who for some reason are far away from civilization, for example during an expedition to the north pole.

It could be an EM field though. The failsafe being turned dispersed the EM energy being built up and now it has formed a field or bubble around the island. Hence the copter crashing and the phone being inoperable if they ever do get it working lol.

Exactly because the others lost all of their communications after the failsafe key was turned

I remember TPTB said in a spoiler that I read a bit ago that something the parachuitist had would not belong in that time, or something to that sort, maybe the phone is it.

You say right in your post that it's a spoiler! :( Could you please spoilerfont it.

I'm betting Sayid will fix the phone, but that it won't work because the snow globe's blocking it.

That sat phone has never been made. There are only around 15 different types of handheld sat phones ever made (non-military of course) and none of them resemble that. Do note that the phone is different from when Jin holds it to when Hurley grabs it. When Jin is holding it, I believe it looks exactly like the (discontinued) Iridium 9500. Look at the distended earpiece and the antenna - when Jin is holding it, it is folded behind the phone. This phone is still rented out and even sold by some retailers and I think it would be easy for the producers to get one (perhaps a broken one on eBay). The face seen in the close-up is fake, which makes sense. No touch-screen phone would use a screen that narrow and long - useless for PDA functionality. Finally, generally Sat phones use very plain and boring (meaning, low power) screens. This helps battery life in situations (such as a deserted island jungle type thing) where power may not be readily available.

The flashiest sat phones by far are made by a company called Thuraya. Their coverage is limited to Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. Visiting their web page shows that even in 2007, the phones are still much more "boring" than the one pictured in the show. GlobalSat also makes some very plain, ugly sat phones. I think we have to just leave it at some imaginary (implied military grade) fake satellite phone. :)

What an interesting and useful post! Thank you, jtatum!!!!!!!! :biggrin:

Anyone ever use one? What's the purpose? I know they're used for calls but I'm trying to understand why sat phones can be used on or near the island but not land lines.

Satellite phones are used by routing the signal through/odd dedicated satellites, similar to how GPS units work. They tend to be used be sailors, moutaineers and explorers as there are no land lines or mobile phone towers in order to make contact via traditional methods.

For a land line to be used you need an actual cable running from the island to a switchboard so that calls can be correctly routed (there are cables across the atlantic and pacific, for example). Mobile (or cell, if you prefer) phones work using networks of towers which you need to be within range of to make a call (check the signal strength of your own phone).

dont have a screencap, but when they turned on the phone, you could see 3 bars on the signal strength meter, looked like a good signal to me. maybe sayid can get the thing going again...

No mention that the phone looks more like 2007-08 tech that 2004? I think that is pretty key.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/78145641@N00/465062526/

dont have a screencap, but when they turned on the phone, you could see 3 bars on the signal strength meter, looked like a good signal to me. maybe sayid can get the thing going again...

I don't know that it's even necessary for Sayid to have to work his magic on it. If She Who Fell From the Sky But Must Not Yet be Named had a sat phone with a low battery in her bag she also probably had a charger for it too, no? Othersville had electricty supplied by Ben's giant hamsters on wheels, right?

So why not walk the phone over to Othersville, plug it in, heck, even let it charge for a couple of hours while taking a hot shower and chewing on some Dharma chicken, then make like ET and phone home. Or, of course, you could also likely use it as soon as you plug it in, if you're really anxious.

Oh she's gonna totally have an extra battery. I mean, she seems to know she'll be going on an exotic trek of some kind, looking for desmond, so she would prepare herself with an extra battery.

What I find more interesting is the internal error on the screen.

We know the island is magnetic.

Magnets can erase data on computers.

A phone like that, with PDA function (it definitely looks like it has PDA function) has a computer chip inside it.

Maybe the magnetic force on the island is strong enough to erase data, and that's why the screen went blank?

The icons on the satellite phone are designed by apple, namely the Home icon, which is the exact same icon as the Home icon in OSX. This seems to indicate that the interface was designed especially for LOST, and does not belong to any other phone on the market.

The Sat phone must have been broken by the fall, as opposed to having a dead battery, as 1) It said "Internal Error" which would be an extremely odd indicator of a dead battery, and 2) It would not be very plausible for this presumed rescuer to head out without a fully charged battery.

Given that, if Sayid can fix a damaged Sat Phone without so much as a soldering iron, I will be highly skeptical.

The way Lost works, no one will even mention the phone to Sayid!

I swear they would be off the island if they would just communicate a little with each other!

Yesterday morning darkufo had pictures of the phone and explainations about it up on his site. Today its missing ALL the stuff from Catch-22. Sad cause I wanted to share it here. Wonder why all the Catch-22 stuff is down!

no homemade batteries could delier the amps needed for the phone. But there are enough laptops and whatnot i suspect that they could power it that way. Also with otherville you have power, Im sure that if the only problem is a dead battery that could be solved... but lets face it knowing this show, it is broken beyond that or the signal would be blocked...

and an EMP is a "pulse" not a long period thing, so it isnt being blocked by a pulse...

How about a walkie talkie battery?

I guess that the general idea is that the telephone should look like an iPhone, and thus it could not exist two months after the plane crashed, which is suposedly the islands time, right? :confused:
right?


The million dollar question.


I remember TPTB said in a spoiler that I read a bit ago that something the parachuitist had would not belong in that time, or something to that sort, maybe the phone is it.

Hey, you have a link for that?

The folks at EndGadget seem to think it's an actual iPhone:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/20/lost-islanders-snag-an-iphone-before-the-street-date/

It also probably took a nasty fall. Damage from the fall could probably cause some functionality issues.

I use a satphone when I travel in South America, even have it hooked up to a laptop. Satphones are great but expensive to buy and use. The military use then in Iraq and other locations.

They should be usable on the Island. Remember, the battery in (this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep)'s phone was dead, they never said that the phone wouldn't work.

Essentially the idea is to get ride of towers, so that a call can be placed from anywhere. Motorola spent a huge amount of money putting the satellite network in place, thinking that sat phones would be tremendously popular. Unfortunately for them they aren't, and the company took a huge loss on the project. I think mostly they are used by people who for some reason are far away from civilization, for example during an expedition to the north pole.

The single biggest roadblock to satellite phones is pure economics. Do some Googling and it won't take you long to find phone prices. They're not cheap. But that doesn't compare to the cost of the plans.

Military, businesses and the wealthy are the market. That would explain why Hurley knew what it was. Nothing immediately explains the apparent model of the phone.

The folks at EndGadget seem to think it's an actual iPhone:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/20/lost-islanders-snag-an-iphone-before-the-street-date/


It's similar, but I don't think it matches:

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

That is a good guess though.....

Hey Col. I just got this article.Says it just might be the Apple
http://blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2007/04/apple_iphone_wa.html

and one more article (http://http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyName=operating_systems&articleId=9017319&taxonomyId=89)

so if it comes out now.. thoughts that belong on another thread.. but cool devise.
i say the devise needs code to be punched in to work. how silly for it work for anyone..
considering how useful it is..but again another thread.
the battery should be fully charged before the departure of the carrier.

Truth be told, I don't think that TPTB are in the business of product placement. Yes, it looks like OSX and I'll admit that. More plausible is that Apple did the interface, kind of like AOL did in the movie "You've got Mail".