Anyone else think that kate is being a skank? Running to sawyer only after shes rejected by jack? seriously, sawyer deserves better, and she has some serious issues to work out.

I think the writers took my favorite character and dragged her through the mud so they could show more shots of her panties.

A shame, really.

And yes, Sawyer does deserve better and that's not something I thought I'd ever say.

am i in high school?!
skank?!

go to the principles office!!!

She's just confused and having a hard time dealing with how she feels.

Kate is messed up in the head. She obviously loves Jack and not Sawyer based on this episode. I've never really liked Kate and tonight just furthered that. She has no idea what she wants.

Anyone else think that kate is being a skank? Running to sawyer only after shes rejected by jack? seriously, sawyer deserves better, and she has some serious issues to work out.

I don't think Sawyer deserves better. Kate was acting just like him lol. They are one in the same really. :undecide:

I do think it's unfortunate what they've done to Kate this season. I can understand pain and jealously and feeling like your feelings are unrequited, but running off to have sex with someone just because you saw the guy you actually like eating with another girl? Overreaction much? I feel bad for Sawyer for being used like that and I feel bad for Kate for doing that to Sawyer and to herself.

And like Layla said, I think the earlier scenes with Kate in her underwear were just completely gratuitous.

It's unfortunate because I love where Lost has been going lately in every aspect except the triangle.

...dragged her through the mud so they could show more shots of her panties. And yes, Sawyer does deserve better and that's not something I thought I'd ever say.

Yes--not that I'd use that exact word. :)
But yeah, I've seen enough of Kate, both figuratively and literally.
And Sawyer *does* deserve better. Then again, he's done some pretty rotten things in his life, too...but that was B.I.F.--Before Island Life.

and she has some serious issues to work out.She can work them out with me any time she wants to.

She always throws herself at men whenever she is upset about anything. But yes, she did seem to be more than a little bit cheap tonight. I guess that it is good for Sawyer that he never really went for the classy type! ;)

She's just confused and having a hard time dealing with how she feels.

She used to make the most sense to me out of all of them. She used to be the most sympathetic for me. I used to find her the most complex and intriguing character.

Then at some point the writers apparently thought all they should focus on is her hormones.

She's an insult to female characters.

She can work them out with me any time she wants to.


Agreed...

Agreed. Least favourite part of the episode. Kate acts like she's fifteen. She's become my least favourite character and I never thought I'd say this but I feel bad for Sawyer. I think he was hurt by what she did but covered it up by acting cocky and saying "all you had to do was ask."

She always throws herself at men whenever she is upset about anything. But yes, she did seem to be more than a little bit cheap tonight.

That's true. We know from her flashbacks that she isn't afraid to use her sexuality for reasons other than love (the guy she used to help rob the bank, i.e.) I just hope the redemption theme of Lost catches up to her quickly!

I don't think Sawyer deserves better. Kate was acting just like him lol. They are one in the same really. :undecide:

well maybe thats one good reason skate should end up together. ^.^

she may not have had the best motivations, but i hardly think she's a 'skank' (ugh, i hate that word). it's not like she just met sawyer, they've been through a lot together, and on top of that, they've already had sex before so it's not even just a one-night stand.

she may be confused and looking for validation, but i don't think these circumstances mean she's cheap.

Oh, wait...he's done rotten things ON the Island, too. OK, I take that back. LOL

well maybe thats one good reason skate should end up together. ^.^

You've got no argument from me there. :)

Okay skank may not be the right word to describe Kate but how about selfish? Thoughtless? Manipulative? Am I getting warm?

am i in high school?!
skank?!

go to the principles office!!!

My thoughts exactly...And the funniest post of the night!!

A woman is a "skank" if she wants to have sex...but if a guy wants it then it's "totally cool"? Ugh. Please.

She no more of a "skank" than Ana Lucia...who also bumped uglies with Sawyer...just to steal his gun!!

There's nothing wrong with being horny after being trapped on a deserted island for 3 months...male or female. Sawyer & Kate were just doin it like the do it on the Discovery Channel.

As for her motivations? That's another story...but it hardly makes Kate a "skank", IMO. It would be one thing if she was doing it to get caught by Jack to make him jealous or to "get back at him"...It wasn't like she was screaming..."Look at ME, Jack!! I have a boyfriend!! Aren't you jealous?!! Ha Ha Ha!!", while straddling Sawyer.

She just took Sawyer up on his offer. No harm...no foul.

Okay skank may not be the right word to describe Kate but how about selfish? Thoughtless? Manipulative? Am I getting warm?

Getting warmer indeed
but this thread is so COLD...

No, Kate is not a skank. I think she's someone fully capable of using people, though, as are nearly everyone on the island. She's also in her 20's, with all the usual emotional and physical needs one would expect. I think her behavior was fully in character, and, meaning no offense to anyone, she is absolutely hot, and I don't mind it in the least...

am i in high school?!
skank?!

go to the principles office!!!

lol! :D

Actually, the most annoying part for me was the scene right before it where she was trying to flirt with Jack.

So...is she the next to get preggers?

I thought she had better morals than that. I know the first time was a spur of the moment thing. They were trapped literally and caught up in the moment but she thought this one through. It was pure sex this time. She was jealous of Jack and that Other woman. She was not better than Ana Lucia this time. I just hope she does not end up preggers since she's been "exposed" twice.

Sometimes you need to be loved. Jack is oblivious to Kate and is hooking up with Juliiet, at least until he find out her real motives. The fling Kate is having with Sawyer is just that a fling, kinda slutty but a fling. When Juliet blows off Jack sometime later on, jack will seek out kate, I am assuming.

So...is she the next to get preggers?
The last thing the island needs is a preggers ***

lol i didnt say if a guy wants to its all kool at all. the only justification id have for sawyer in this ep is he really cares about kate (i thought he was just as much a "***" when he did the revenge sex with AL when he was angry at kate)

Isn't this more or less a common event? Someone is close to two different people, one rejects them so they turn to the one that is there? I'm not saying that Kate was right for doing it, just that it's not unheard of. I've certainly known people who have ran to someone else because of heartbreak.
I thought it made for some good drama. Kate's getting more emotionally attached to these guys as time goes on, and I can't wait until it all blows up.

***? No. Idiot? Yeah.

So...is she the next to get preggers?


That's my main problem with the skex, completely removed from whether or not Kate's actions were immature/manipulative (which I think they were :tongue1:). It just doesn't make any sense based on last week's episode. Kate was there when Juliet said all pregnant women die. Kate looked meaningfully over at Sun when she said it too, so she clearly understands that pregnancy = death. Now considering they don't really have a pharmacy on the island, I just thought it made no sense for Kate to have sex with anyone after learning that. It's one thing to have sex because you're jealous, it's another to be risking your life in the process. It just doesn't make logical sense to me at all.

Since when has anything Kate has done made logical sense?

okay this has gone on enough. the choice of words to describe Kate...yeah let it go. dont like what she did? fine. but let us stop with the derogatroy name calling etc. thank you.

am i in high school?!
***?!

go to the principles office!!!

Well said. :)

I don't think Sawyer deserves better. Kate was acting just like him lol. They are one in the same really. :undecide:

So that would make what they were doing ... nope. I won't say it. lol

She used to make the most sense to me out of all of them. She used to be the most sympathetic for me. I used to find her the most complex and intriguing character.

Then at some point the writers apparently thought all they should focus on is her hormones.

She's an insult to female characters.

Most female characters on most shows are an insult to female characters for various reasons.

she may not have had the best motivations, but i hardly think she's a '***' (ugh, i hate that word). it's not like she just met sawyer, they've been through a lot together, and on top of that, they've already had sex before so it's not even just a one-night stand.

she may be confused and looking for validation, but i don't think these circumstances mean she's cheap.

You're so sweet. But it won't do you a bit of good. :biggrin: A certain percentage of us will be happy with nothing short of Kate with Sawyer, under any circumstances ... and others will be happy with nothing short of Kate with Jack, under any circumstances ... and anything short of what either side wants will be decried as character assassination. I'm afraid there's no way around it.

Uh, wasn't she supposed to be the 'strong' woman on the show? Now she's handing it out to anyone who will have her! Tsk tsk Kate. You're better than that.. oh and use condoms.

alright, lets not call kate any names anymore before this thread gets closed down. but seriously what she did tonight was immature. and she really needs to figure out what she wants.

I don't think Kate is a ***.

Think about how many disappointments the Losties have faced. They realize that they are trapped on that island. Not a lot of hope for other relationships...

I don't like what Kate did, but in her mind, I think she did it because she is hurt. I honestly think that the Kate/Sawyer hookup in the cage was a set up for Jack to see. Juliet knew it, and used it to play with Kate's emotions when she said that Jack cared about her (Kate).

Whether or not Jack loved Kate, makes no difference now. Kate is hurt, based upon what Juliet said. She sees Juliet moving in on a man she cared for. I don't even know if Kate loves Jack,..she may only want him because Juliet has him.

Kate had a lot of time, alone with both men, before they were kidnapped, to think about who she loved, or didn't love,....she didn't seem too rushed then....

The whole quadrangle was arranged by Ben. I don't even think Juliet likes Jack, but that's another story.

Maybe Ben put something in Kate's water, when he had them caged. Who knows, but Kate has changed. Now, she is looking for love, when before, she wasn't even considering it with either man,...not as seriously as now.

She used to make the most sense to me out of all of them. She used to be the most sympathetic for me. I used to find her the most complex and intriguing character.

Then at some point the writers apparently thought all they should focus on is her hormones.

She's an insult to female characters.


Hormones could be the key here, Maybe the Others injected her with some? That could be why she's turned into "*** Freckles" lately?

Ok "*** Freckles" isn't great but anythings better than "***". I gotta agree with some other posters on this thread, I really don't like that word either, sorry.

:eek2: No, she's not one! She's been through hell and wants to feel loved. I don't think she was flirting with Jack as much as feeling him out to see how he reacts to her. Obviously she's jealous which played a part in her going to Sawyer, but that's totally understandable. Haven't we all been jealous at one time over a similar situation. And you don't always do the smart thing when someone hurts you. Jack's giving her the brush off right now because she slept with Sawyer. So they are both jealous and doing stupid things.

No I don't. I think Kate is messed up with her emotions, and confused/conflicted about what she truly wants. I do think she used Sawyer (inadvertantly but selfishly), and it hurt him. But he's a big boy and he'll get over it -think of it as a bit of island karma for the way he was before they crashed. He did call her out on her behaviour so at least she's going to have to reexamine her actions and decide whether she really wants it to be that way with Sawyer or not.

Judging from the latest promo, I think she learned her lesson in terms of playing with people's feelings.;)

My husband and I just had a brief discussion about Kate's motivations. He thinks she did it out of jealousy. I agree that some degree of jealousy drove her to Sawyer's tent. I think part of her "loves" Jack.

But more than that, I think she is swept up in the idea of someone chasing her, being coy AND tenacious. "This guy will wait it out. I can be as screwed up as I want to be, and he'll be there waiting for me once I figure it out."

Earlier in the episode Sawyer served up the "afternoon delight" idea just after he asked her if she had told Jack about the sex. Kate dodged the issue. I think she did so because Juliet had told her that Jack seeing the post-sex cudle broke his heart. Kate didn't want to rub it in Jack's face anymore than she already had. But seeing Jack with Juliet made it click that she could go ahead with Sawyer, she doesn't have to spare Jack's feelings.

Part jealousy, part relief. Her motivations were mixed, IMO. Cool? No. But we all have to start somewhere.

And good for Sawyer for questioning her motivations.

Sleeping with one guy just to make another one jealous is something a girl in highschool would do. Also the word used to describe her is a word used in highschool. I think it fits well.

There is a possibility that Kate is on birth control. And there is also a possibility that she can't have kids at all. Maybe they even used a condom. Who knows? They certainly wouldn't show us Sawyer pulling a condom out of his stash and unwrapping it (egad!). But I bet you anything that Kate will not end up pregnant. Because a pregnant Kate who can't even climb trees would just be wrong wrong wrong! And one thing we do know is that Sawyer did not use a condom with AL. And he got Cassidy pregnant unintentionally as well, so the one who seems to be not thinking here is Sawyer. Kate may be flawed when it comes to expressing her feelings and what she wants, but she's no idiot.

I so hate it when they take that tacky dive for the ratings. She should have held out for the classier guy...and we all know who he is.
Sawyer reminds me of the group of dudes out back of the football field, skipping classes and getting high. Now Kate reminds me of the girls who have no self esteem that hang out with them.:frown: :lipsseal: :undecide:

My husband and I just had a brief discussion about Kate's motivations. He thinks she did it out of jealousy. I agree that some degree of jealousy drove her to Sawyer's tent. I think part of her "loves" Jack.

But more than that, I think she is swept up in the idea of someone chasing her, being coy AND tenacious. "This guy will wait it out. I can be as screwed up as I want to be, and he'll be there waiting for me once I figure it out."

Earlier in the episode Sawyer served up the "afternoon delight" idea just after he asked her if she had told Jack about the sex. Kate dodged the issue. I think she did so because Juliet had told her that Jack seeing the post-sex cudle broke his heart. Kate didn't want to rub it in Jack's face anymore than she already had. But seeing Jack with Juliet made it click that she could go ahead with Sawyer, she doesn't have to spare Jack's feelings.

Part jealousy, part relief. Her motivations were mixed, IMO. Cool? No. But we all have to start somewhere.

And good for Sawyer for questioning her motivations.


Relief?
She was upset, crying, and all "shut up, don´t talk" because she was relief?
Jealousy sex. Kate was beeing selfish. She was losing it because she is not Jack´s girl anymore.

I so hate it when they take that tacky dive for the ratings. She should have held out for the classier guy...and we all know who he is.
Sawyer reminds me of the group of dudes out back of the football field, skipping classes and getting high. Now Kate reminds me of the girls who have no self esteem that hang out with them.:frown: :lipsseal: :undecide:

Um...it would be ridiculous to assume the shot of Kate in her tiny panties, and her frolicing with Sawyer for a "Midnight Delight" was all for ratings...considering the all important sweeps period doesn't start until May 3rd...the ratings of tonight's episode matter not to ABC...but in a couple weeks...when they are being officially tabulated...they will matter immensly.

Tacky? Hmmm...I could think of a dozen other words to describe it...but if tacky works for you...

Hmm I think who's the classier guy (for Kate) deep down, underneath the external trappings, is highly debatable. However, I do agree Kate is acting like a high school gal, clinging to the wrong guy, and severely lacking in her own self esteem. You can guess though which 'wrong guy' I am talking about, right? ;)

Skank. That word cracks me up.

I never thought the term skank was synonymous with just being promiscuous. I looked it up on Encarta, and it defined the word as meaning, "an offensive term for a girl or woman who is regarded as unpleasant-looking and sexually promiscuous."

So is Kate unpleasant-looking? No, quite the opposite.

Is Kate sexually promiscuous? No evidence to support this. We've seen her with her husband and with Sawyer. A whole two men.

Is Kate having great difficulties in her relationships with men right now? Seems like it. Doesn't make her a skank in my book--she could never be considered a skank, even if she slept with a different Lostie each night.

On a purely shallow level, a promiscuous Kate Austen would be better termed a "goldmine."

Least favourite part of the episode. Kate acts like she's fifteen. She's become my least favourite character and I never thought I'd say this but I feel bad for Sawyer. I think he was hurt by what she did but covered it up by acting cocky and saying "all you had to do was ask."

I agree completely with what you're saying about Sawyer's "too cool for school" macho cover, he really works hard to hide his vulnerability (especially with Kate). I did feel bad for him, but he was looking for a competition with Jack in tonight's episode, and boy did he find one.

However... I shall prepare myself and duck ahead of time for what I've about to say on Kate's behalf! :hide:

It's true that Kate is impulsive, acts like a child, and often "runs" when things get a little too real for her. Witnessing Jack with Juliet essentially brought out that worst quality about her. Rather than crucify her for it, I think I actually sympathize with her actions. Any woman who has had to see such a heart-wrenching scene involving the man she (clearly) loves, with a woman she despises, can understand that "I need a self-esteem boost, now!" feeling -- who better to run to than Sawyer? I didn't see her actions as jealousy, but rather a blatant display of a shattered heart, especially with the tears.

And yes, I remember what Jack had to see on that monitor, its much worse than what Kate saw, but Jack reacted the way we'd expect of him: to be the bigger man, to Do No Harm and sacrifice himself for the greater good.

Honestly, I think Kate's actions tonight only further reinforced what we already know about her character. I feel bad for all three of them: Jack is being duped by Juliet, Kate's heart is broken, and Sawyer's getting used (and say what you want about him, he really does love Kate).

ha! That is the first thing I said when I saw that! Jelous much Kate?

Doesn't make her a skank in my book--she could never be considered a skank, even if she slept with a different Lostie each night.

Ummm...........that would be my definition of the word. :disgust: That obviously isn't what Kate did, but jealousy sex does rank as *insert a derogatory name here* in my book.
100%
Any woman who has had to see such a heart-wrenching scene involving the man she (clearly) loves, with a woman she despises, can understand that "I need a self-esteem boost, now!" feeling -- who better to run to than Sawyer?

I don't really see how running to a guy that objectifies her could give her a self-esteem boost. :blink:

I don't really see how running to a guy that objectifies her could give her a self-esteem boost.

I don't think Sawyer objectifies her at all... I think he honestly does love her, all her faults included. His comments, come-ons, and displays of chauvinistic behavior only serve to help him shield his own vulnerability. Not to mention his natural good looks, southern charm, and over-confidence have probably gotten him far with women in the past.

Running to a man who desires you and makes you feel wanted will give you a self-esteem boost... especially after the man you want shoots you down for someone else.

Just my opinion.

I just can't disregard all of the things Sawyer has said and done to Kate during their two months on the island. It's hard for me to believe that Sawyer can morph into prince charming in such a short amount of time, after being the total opposite his whole life. That's why I'm having such a hard time buying this whole "Sawyer is genuinely in love with Kate" storyline TPTB are trying to force me to believe.

I was really diappointed in her. I wasn't a big Kate fan and I've actually warmed up to her this season, especially with Jack acting to wacky. A few looks last epi were priceless. Then she does something this lame. I didn't like that.

I agree completely with what you're saying about Sawyer's "too cool for school" macho cover, he really works hard to hide his vulnerability (especially with Kate). I did feel bad for him, but he was looking for a competition with Jack in tonight's episode, and boy did he find one.

Exactly. And Ben told Sawyer in the mini-arc that he works so hard to make her think he doesn't care. Meaning he always hides what Kate makes him feel to look like 'meh whatever'. Therefore, even if it did hurt to know he was the second choice, he would never show Kate.

And on that, Sawyer is a clever man, he would have to know what's going on. Anyways, at the end of the day Kate is going to end up hurting everyone, including herself, more. Good on Jack for actually trying to remove himself from the triangle/quandrangle whatever. I don't know what the go is with him and Juliet, but at least he is making an effort to move on and not be dragged into these ridiculous shananigans of Kate's right now.

I don't even know where to begin analysing Kate, so I'm just going to leave that for another time.

Wait - Sawyer hits on her, and she (eventually) says yes, and... he deserves better? I don't get it.

Yeah Kate is flawed but who on that island isn't? Kate's the second one behind Jack when it comes to putting her life on the line for other people. How many times has she trekked through that terrifying jungle after seeing the pilot die such a horrible death?? She went back for Jack even though she knew she could die and had just escaped from the Others. She was the first one to climb over that electric pylon...I couldn't have done it. She's tough as nails. Look at her friendship with Sun and her concern over her pregnancy. Her concern over Shannon's inhaler and the pregnant Claire. Her heartbreaking sobs when she thought Charlie was dead. Chick has heart. And she's hurt Jack and is hurting Sawyer now, but at least she is hurt herself over it. Many women have man problems....come on! She's impulsive and it gets her in trouble in her life, but she's still a fighter and I think she will be the last one standing in the end. I think she has more heart and courage and determination than anyone on that island. To me this makes her an interesting character and my favorite overall. And she's also a favorite of most people on the island. With a smile like that, she could win anyone over. Leave Kate alone! :)

Sawyer is NEVER going to be prince charming, let's remember that. But the show is making it pretty clear that he genuinely loves Kate, in an unconditional, warts and all way. Evi herself has talked about this at length in the most recent Lost Magazines. I think it comes across very well on the screen, myself. And I have to say that ever since that hug of comfort in ? he's pretty much had her back, and tried to protect her and make her feel good/hopeful when he was able.

Just like last week's hug. He and Kate parted not on the best of terms, but he missed her and regretted not saying sorry. He was relieved beyond measure to see her safe, and so he just hugged her, his eyes saying it all, and let all the emotional baggage between them go.

Relief?
She was upset, crying, and all "shut up, don´t talk" because she was relief?

Sure. People cry for all sorts of reasons. I usually cry when I'm angry. Sometimes when I'm overwhelmed with happiness. It's a tension reliever. I think she had a moment of "Even though it makes me sad on some level, I clearly don't have to worry about trying to make things better with Jack because he's already moved passed this. It's a nonissue."

I'm not saying that what she did wasn't crappy on some level. But I do think her motivations were more complex than flatout jealousy. But that's just me.

I think Kate is exactly like Scarlett o'hara...
she thinks she loves Jack (Ashley) but he doesn't really loves her and is in love with Juliet (Melanie)
Sawyer, like Rett Butler, genuinely loves her and know her and is like her...
they are a couple, they even have children they are happy together but once in a while she thinks she truly loves Ashely(jack) but can't have him...
In the end Rett leaves and at that moment she realizes he was the man she loved!

Sounds exactly like LOST to me!:rolleyes: :biggrin:

It's difficult to really love Scarlett ....but she's a very interesting character as kate is to me!

I don't think Sawyer objectifies her at all... I think he honestly does love her, all her faults included. His comments, come-ons, and displays of chauvinistic behavior only serve to help him shield his own vulnerability. Not to mention his natural good looks, southern charm, and over-confidence have probably gotten him far with women in the past.

Running to a man who desires you and makes you feel wanted will give you a self-esteem boost... especially after the man you want shoots you down for someone else.

Just my opinion.

I think Sawyer was absolutely objectifying Kate in this episode: looking her up and down, offering afternoon sex, bribing her with a mix tape, getting it on with her when she was clearly upset about something and finally saying he's fine with being used as long as she's upfront about it.

This is the Sawyer we saw in Season 1, that slowly matured in Season 2 and seemed to have vanished early in Season 3, only to come roaring back in this episode.

As for the main topic, I don't think Kate is a ..., but I do think she's clearly confused, she's in love with somebody that doesn't (appear to) want her anymore. I think she loves Sawyer too, but she sure has an odd way of showing it by running to him after seeing Jack with Juliet - that was just immature.

Both of these characters need to grow up. They *were*, they aren't now anymore. I don't think they can do it together. I think they need to move on. Kate needs to be independent and Sawyer needs to find another girl to be used by.

Just my opinion.

I think Kate is and has always been an emotionally messed up girl who can't stop running from her past. Tonight's epi just reinforced how she'll do anything to get away from her true feelings. I feel kinda sorry for her actually.

Yes, they pretty much have done a bang-up job of ruining the character of Kate in my eyes. I can't really stand her anymore.

Lol....but Sawyer didn't seem to care that she was crying.
She did it because she was hurt seeing Jack becoming so close to Juliet.
Kate is a mixed up girl!

It's interesting how differently we fans interpret things. I for one thought that Sawyer's mix tape quip was hilarious, and it was adorable that he actually went to the trouble to try and find an actual tape cassette for her. And still went through with the gesture, despite finding out that Kate had used him for comfort while upset over Jack and Juliet getting chummy. Perhaps it's because High Fidelity is one of my favourite movies, and I think mix tapes/cd's are a cute idea. As the ABC recap says, I think Kate was pretty charmed by the gesture and it was a sweet moment between them. I thought Sawyer handled things pretty maturely in the episode. He didn't get angry or yell at Kate, but he still made sure she was called out on her behaviour.

I don't get why a man asking for nookie and honestly showing a woman that he finds her attractive and sexually desirable is 'objectifying' her. Especially when they've been intimate before and he's hoping for more. It was her right to blow him off and she did. Then later she jumped him. So where's the problem with how he treated her?

Twice he initiated talk about their relationship and where it stood. Which for me was a huge neon sign that he wants things to progress between them. I liked that Sawyer broached the whole motivation issue for the night time romp. It was great to see him attempting to communicate with Kate and clear the air between them.

I hope Kate will finally get wise, and give up on trying to win back Jack's favour (since clearly he's not interested anymore). It's cringeworthy how silly she acts around him right now.

I agree, there are times when Kate reminds me of Scarlett, and how flighty she was about Ashley vs Rhett. Hopefully she will realise where her heart lies quicker than Scarlett did. ;)

I really dislike her more and more. The spoon licking scene was gross. She knows that jack saw them and she still tries to flirt with him. :rolleyes:

That's the same girl that wanted Sawyer to make excuses. Sorry for what? He's the only one honest and totally in love.
I don't know what's going on with her character, but she's just an attention seeker, wants to be the one for both men. Not likeable at all. :undecide:

EDIT: Yeah, totally gone with the wind. It's almost scary...

I heart Juliet. Hope she stays until the end of the series.

Agreed. Least favourite part of the episode. Kate acts like she's fifteen. She's become my least favourite character and I never thought I'd say this but I feel bad for Sawyer. I think he was hurt by what she did but covered it up by acting cocky and saying "all you had to do was ask."

It's interesting how differently we fans interpret things. I for one thought that Sawyer's mix tape quip was hilarious, and it was adorable that he actually went to the trouble to try and find an actual tape cassette for her. And still went through with the gesture, despite finding out that Kate had used him for comfort while upset over Jack and Juliet getting chummy. Perhaps it's because High Fidelity is one of my favourite movies, and I think mix tapes/cd's are a cute idea. As the ABC recap says, I think Kate was pretty charmed by the gesture and it was a sweet moment between them. I thought Sawyer handled things pretty maturely in the episode. He didn't get angry or yell at Kate, but he still made sure she was called out on her behaviour.

I don't get why a man asking for nookie and honestly showing a woman that he finds her attractive and sexually desirable is 'objectifying' her. Especially when they've been intimate before and he's hoping for more. It was her right to blow him off and she did. Then later she jumped him. So where's the problem with how he treated her?

Twice he initiated talk about their relationship and where it stood. Which for me was a huge neon sign that he wants things to progress between them. I liked that Sawyer broached the whole motivation issue for the night time romp. It was great to see him attempting to communicate with Kate and clear the air between them.

I hope Kate will finally get wise, and give up on trying to win back Jack's favour (since clearly he's not interested anymore). It's cringeworthy how silly she acts around him right now.

I agree, there are times when Kate reminds me of Scarlett, and how flighty she was about Ashley vs Rhett. Hopefully she will realise where her heart lies quicker than Scarlett did. ;)

Well said to both of you. I have been on the fence since the show started when it comes to Kate. There are episodes that I think she is awesome (when she is tough and actually has a backbone) and then there are episodes where I can hardly watch the show. I think we are starting to see a new side to Kate that may completely change how we all view her.

She absolutely has issues. There's no getting around it. But the scene in the "kitchen" with the spoon was just...well....it was just weird. I think it brings her to a whole new level and just might be giving us a glimpse of how screwed up she really is. Who in their right mind would continue to try to be flirty and coy with a guy when you know that they have seen you having sex with someone else? It just boggles the mind. I saw the whole thing as nothing but pure and complete jealousy. I've met 14 year olds that are more mature than she is.

I don't know that I feel that bad for Sawyer. It has nothing to do with the fact that he has done some pretty crappy things in his life. I think it is because he caught on to her little game and knows what she is up to. If he were completely unaware I would feel bad. But he figured out the root cause and called her on it. I think he also recognizes that she does have issues and is willing to take her because he genuinely cares for her.......both the good and bad. He sees that she is struggling...struggling with their situation on the island, with her place in the group, with things in the past and things she has done on the island.

Last but not least, I detest the use of the word that was used earlier in this thread to describe Kate. Anyone that acts that way usually has a reason for doing it. I don't think it's appropriate to judge anyone based on their actions when we don't know what they have been through that brought them to that place in their lives. Just my 2 cents.

She's playing silly little games, but Sawyer is no fool. He even told her just to ask, that there was no need for all the drama. He probably said it to protect his feelings (if he has feelings for her right now) but it's true -- she should stop playing innocent and fess up.

Zoriah, When Saywer said mix tape my mind went right to High Fidelity too! Loved that movie! What did John say at the end of that movie? That making a mix tape was for someone was having to think about what she wanted to hear, stuff that would make her happy. When Sawyer found a tape, any tape on that island and gave it to Kate, I thought that said a lot.

I think it is Kate being selfish, confused and scared. Totally in character for her if not an extreme reflection of her character. However it would appear that Jack eating with Juliette pushed her that way. Immaturity is also a big part of Kate.

She is torn between the two men, I don't think that qualifies her as a skank!! I think she is in love with Jack. I'm not so sure she is in love with Sawyer, she cares about him a great deal, but I don't get the vibe that she loves him.

Up until this episode I have always felt that Kate's actions have had an air of dignity to them. Although I personally felt the sex in "I Do" was unnecessary, abrupt, and clumsily written, I never felt that Kate was stooping to a lower level in doing it. Whether or not she actually loves Sawyer (I'm leaning towards no after last night), the sex in Catch-22 lacked sincerity and veered way too closely to Soap Opera territory for my taste, and I think it was a HUGE step back for Kate. Not because she had sex with Sawyer, but because it was motivated by behavior that, up until now, we had been led to believe she was above. Yes...I understand....sex sells and causes drama....I get it...but until last night Lost was not that kind of show, and I think that's what disappoints me.

I ultimately don't care who Kate ends up with, I just want it to be genuine and dignified. I want 90% of the viewers to be able to say, "Yeah....that came out right" (the other 10%, the shippers who fall on the losing side of the line, can never be swayed no matter how good the writing). But I don't think any fan of relationships on Lost can be happy with how last night went. It was very clumsy and un-Lost, and it leads me to believe that the writers don't know their audience as well as they think they do.

The only resolution to this problem is for Sawyer to blow her off as much as Jack has been...she deserves it.

IMO, Jack AND Sawyer are really hot...what's a girl to do?

Up until this episode I have always felt that Kate's actions have had an air of dignity to them. Although I personally felt the sex in "I Do" was unnecessary, abrupt, and clumsily written, I never felt that Kate was stooping to a lower level in doing it. Whether or not she actually loves Sawyer (I'm leaning towards no after last night), the sex in Catch-22 lacked sincerity and veered way too closely to Soap Opera territory for my taste, and I think it was a HUGE step back for Kate. Not because she had sex with Sawyer, but because it was motivated by behavior that, up until now, we had been led to believe she was above. Yes...I understand....sex sells and causes drama....I get it...but until last night Lost was not that kind of show, and I think that's what disappoints me.

I ultimately don't care who Kate ends up with, I just want it to be genuine and dignified. I want 90% of the viewers to be able to say, "Yeah....that came out right" (the other 10%, the shippers who fall on the losing side of the line, can never be swayed no matter how good the writing). But I don't think any fan of relationships on Lost can be happy with how last night went. It was very clumsy and un-Lost, and it leads me to believe that the writers don't know their audience as well as they think they do.

The only resolution to this problem is for Sawyer to blow her off as much as Jack has been...she deserves it.

The only problem with blowing her off is that, Sawyer is in love with her.

Kate's a skank? :confused: What do we call men who sleep with one woman twice?

I think Kate is and has always been an emotionally messed up girl who can't stop running from her past. Tonight's epi just reinforced how she'll do anything to get away from her true feelings. I feel kinda sorry for her actually.

Exactly!

Kate was totally in character last night with the whole "sex with Sawyer" encounter. Kate's character time and again has been shown to be a runner. Her strength we see is a shield to hide her fear of intimacy and love. We've been shown time and again through her FB's that she's punishing herself in any way she can because of her role in getting the only man she's ever truly loved killed. Which is turn, makes her feel unworthy of receiving the love of a good man like Jack.

We have been shown repeatedly that when it comes to intimacy and emotions, Kate is not only childlike but quite emotionally stunted. It is not surprising that when she saw Jack and Juliette together she immediately went for sex with Sawyer. Think about it this way, she was using Sawyer as a substitute for Jack, because that is who she'd really rather have been having "sex" with—meaning connecting emotionally and creating the intimacy that has been "lost" since Jack saw the cuddle.

For the first time since she lost the love of her life, she's found a man to share intimacy with (Jack) and not feel guilty about it, until she hurts him, which in turn makes her guilt return because she has hurt yet another man she loves. So she does the thing she knows best, runs. That's my take on it anyway. ;)

I would agree that the relationships between these characters are pretty messed up. Kate flirting with Jack and licking that spoon was very immature. She continues to try to fix things by using her sexuality instead of taking a more mature approach, like, oh I don't know, talking. Then she runs off crying to Sawyer and sleeps with him demanding he shut up and not talk? Why? Would his voice make it difficult to maintain the "image" in your head Kate?

Sawyer's ready to act all victorious with Jack, feeling like the King of the World because he's got the girl and can beat him at ping pong, only to find out that he's got the girl's body, but not her heart and that Jack is okay with all of it, ready to play for the best out of 3, doesn't care about beating Sawyer at anything, not at ping pong and not at Kate.

So now what? Kate settles for Sawyer and Sawyer is happy to be the mutt begging for scraps of her heart?

If Kate gets to a place where she just wants to be with Sawyer because she likes him and enjoys his company and wants to feel connected to him on a deeper level she may have made some progress, but as long as it is some emotional turmoil usually involving Jack that is driving her into his arms, it's not a healthy relationship.

Kate kisses Jack in the jungle, feels embarrassed and runs away, runs to Sawyer. Jack gives Kate the cold shoulder for running away so Kate starts hanging out on the beach with Sawyer, cutting his hair and playing poker. Jack comes around, beats Sawyer at poker, Kate gets all flirty with Jack again. Kate is digging for muscles with Sawyer. Jack drops by asks Kate to go off into the jungle with him and Kate drops Sawyer like a hot potato to run off nipping at Jack's heels again. Jack rejects Kate in the hydra and Kate sleeps with Sawyer. Jack rejects Kate in the kitchen and Kate sleeps with Sawyer. See a pattern here?

Kate needs to be with Sawyer because she wants and needs to be with Sawyer, not because she's feeling rejected and unworthy over Jack.

Kate's a skank? :confused: What do we call men who sleep with one woman twice?

Sorry, but I think Kate is acting like emotionally-immature low-class trailer-trash. :tomato1: I take no pleasure in saying that. I had really admired that character. Obviously they wanted to convey that Sawyer was hurt and that Kate has conflicted feelings for both men. All of that nonsense is so petty given that clearly these characters have alot bigger things to worry about other than who sat with who in the lunchroom and how to get 'em back and who's "using" who to do that. :rolleyes: :dry:

Yeah, after she had sex with Sawyer the first time I felt she was a bit of a "skank" (1st post term not mine) because she had relations with him even though she cared for Jack. AND she knew Jack had feelings for her as well. Therefore if a girl that I cared about did that to me she would be persona non grata forevermore.

And Sawyer may be a roughneck and a rogue but he does deserve to have someone WANT to be with him, not just use him at convenience.

Bad Karma Kate.

I wouldn't call her a "skank," but I've lost a lost of respect for this character. Talk about going from hero to zero. They are really damaging this character for the sake of a stupid love triangle/RHOMBUS. Awful.

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Inorder to get Jacks attention maybe she should break her arm or get some kind of injury. maybe get dead. i don't like Kate... never have.

I understand what she did, even if it was irresponsible and rash.

And every time I think of Skate and the word "rash," I have to cringe.

Anyone else hoped that at the end Sawyer would have given Kate a $20 instead of the Phil Collins tape? ;)

One thing that has been consistent about Kate all along is that she is impulsive. That's what got her into trouble in the first place. I view last night's behavior as Kate being impulsive again -- not being able to deal with her emotions.

I think Kate is the same Kate she always has been. She is likeable, strong, couragous, beautiful and physically strong. On the inside she is scared insecure and feels alone. She runs away from her problems. Jack hurt her when he blew her off to have dinner with Juliet, with no thought what so ever about how it would hurt her. So she was hurt and ran to Sawyer. It was an escape from her true feelings, she could not bear to sit there and listen to Jack and Juliet. Sex in the cage was a total set up. Planned from the beginning to hurt Jack and push him to Juliet. Elizabeth Mitchell is a fantastic actress but Juliet is a manipulative ****. She was in on the plan to hurt Jack, if she truly cared about him she would have been remorseful about that, but she was not. Not in any way shape or form. In fact I think she rather enjoyed it. She's the one that is deceptive and deceitful not Kate. One last note, the last thing Kate would want is for Jack to know she was with Sawyer again. She was just doing what she does best, running away.

Jack hurt her when he blew her off to have dinner with Juliet, with no thought what so ever about how it would hurt her.


Okay, can we please not turn this into something Jack did? This is all on Kate. What is Jack supposed to do? Is he supposed to sit all alone in his tent and pine after Kate? He believes she is with Sawyer. He's treating both of them in a mature, polite and friendly manner. The guy is trying to make himself a bowl of oatmeal and she's flirting with him. He did what any decent guy would've done. Get the heck out of there and quick. Jack isn't the type of guy to hone in on another guy's girl, not even Sawyer's girl.

I don't think it was completely right for Kate to run to Sawyer after seeing Juliet with Jack. As said before it was a bit hastey and childish, however, in a way I felt sorry for her. It sounds weird but she is obviously just so confused and mixed up that she doesn't know where to turn and she obviously has no idea about what to feel. In my opinion, she is one of the most confusing and complex charaters in this show and though she is one of my favorites I'm having a hard time understanding where shes coming from.

I also felt that in the kitchen scene with the spoon that all of a sudden she was trying really hard to act all flirty and cute and I found it rather odd. I didn't understand why all of a sudden she was trying to get his attention. I just thought it was a little random.

I don't know. I'm just confused. Sometimes I wish she would just pick one already! :rolleyes:

Sorry if it's repetitive. I could only read a few pages.

I liked this episode but these Kate scenes made me sick. They were terribly written and incredibly tacky and common, something i'd expect out of a teenager. It's not just the whole shallow sex scene either, it's the fact that in the previous seasons and episodes she seemed mature. In flashbacks if she used a guy it would be an act and all for the greater good, using that bank robber guy to get her plane etc. This time it wasn't for anything but personal gain.

That whole spoon licking scene was disgusting, she broke Jack's heart by sleeping with Sawyer, then she comes over licks the damn spoon, and she's all like "lets forget about that and make up". I'm sitting there screaming "You broke Jack's heart, and you expect to kiss and make up just like that?...you...YOU SCORPION WOMAN!"

So she sees Jack and Juliet EATING, not having sex or kissing and decides to get "even" by having sex with Sawyer. Yeh that's even alright, it's not like you just OVER EXAGGERATED. Crying over dinner what a baby. I've never been interested in Kate 's character before but i've always respected her...that's changed. I'd like to divert your attention to this quote from the Pilot, Part 2:

"SAWYER [grabbing Kate's arm]: I know your type.
KATE: I'm not so sure.
SAWYER: Yeah, I've been with girls like you.
KATE: Not girls exactly like me"

Now compare that with this episodes spoon-lickin-jealous-Kate, it says it all really doesn't it...Sawyer was right, he has been with girls like her...

Amazing to me that everyone is so quick to judge such a complex character. We as the audience can only make assumptions as to her motivations for having sex with Sawyer. It seems that the catalyst for both involved her emotions surrounding her relationship with Jack. (but I'm just assuming)

Why judge her so harshly? I would say it's not that uncommon for most woman at some point in their lives act in a way that seems out of character. In Kate's case, her whole world has been turned upside down, more than once, in a very short period of time.

She's scared, hurt, lonely, and confused. Someone she's become close to, someone she has confided in, someone she respects and possibly has deep feelings for, is shunning her.

Sawyer, on the other hand, accepts her, cares about her (in his own little way), and is available to Kate.

I'm assuming that she wants to feel loved, she wants to feel accepted, she wants that from Jack, but because of the events that happened at the Hydra, she's lbelieves she's lost that. I think that reality really sunk in for Kate last night when she saw Jack and Juliet behaving like she and Jack used to. So she was upset, crying, feeling regected and sought out the only place she knew she could get that acceptance. But she's not going to go to Sawyer and say "I need to sort out my feelings about Jack. Can I have a hug?"

Maybe she's just substituting a need for love and acceptance with sex. It's not THAT uncommon for people of both sexes. And Sawyer is most willing to oblige.

Sawyer could have stopped when he saw she was crying. He could have been more persistant... but he wanted the sex, too. He needed it as much as she did, possibly for the same reasons.

That doesn't make the characters wrong or worthy of name-calling. It makes their characters more believable because they are so flawed.

I just can't beleive she would consider having sex after Juliet's revelation last week.

Maybe they have some kind of protection as this is the ever resourceful Sawyer but who would chance it?

Amazing to me that everyone is so quick to judge such a complex character. We as the audience can only make assumptions as to her motivations for having sex with Sawyer. It seems that the catalyst for both involved her emotions surrounding her relationship with Jack. (but I'm just assuming)

Why judge her so harshly? I would say it's not that uncommon for most woman at some point in their lives act in a way that seems out of character. In Kate's case, her whole world has been turned upside down, more than once, in a very short period of time.

She's scared, hurt, lonely, and confused. Someone she's become close to, someone she has confided in, someone she respects and possibly has deep feelings for, is shunning her.

Sawyer, on the other hand, accepts her, cares about her (in his own little way), and is available to Kate.

I'm assuming that she wants to feel loved, she wants to feel accepted, she wants that from Jack, but because of the events that happened at the Hydra, she's lbelieves she's lost that. I think that reality really sunk in for Kate last night when she saw Jack and Juliet behaving like she and Jack used to. So she was upset, crying, feeling regected and sought out the only place she knew she could get that acceptance. But she's not going to go to Sawyer and say "I need to sort out my feelings about Jack. Can I have a hug?"

Maybe she's just substituting a need for love and acceptance with sex. It's not THAT uncommon for people of both sexes. And Sawyer is most willing to oblige.

Sawyer could have stopped when he saw she was crying. He could have been more persistant... but he wanted the sex, too. He needed it as much as she did, possibly for the same reasons.

That doesn't make the characters wrong or worthy of name-calling. It makes their characters more believable because they are so flawed.
This isn't really "out of character" for Kate. At least not this season. It's just what they've reduced her to. I don't feel sorry for her at all. She played it safe all this time, swaying back and forth between her loyalties to each man. I understand this was for the sake of the stupid triangle, but it hurt this character in the long run.

Kate is entitled to react however she wants. She can sleep with everyone in the entire camp for all I care. But we are also allowed to respond and judge this demeaning behavior. So, it's OK for Kate to use Sawyer because she feels bad? Whatever.

And just because Sawyer also wanted to have sex, doesn't mean he wasn't hurt when he found out WHY she suddenly gave in. It was clear that it bothered him, and what he said to her at then end was just to save face (and probably get more sex).

Kate used to be a "complex" character, but now she's a life size cardboard cut out used purely for "triangle" fodder. Woo.

I'm assuming that she wants to feel loved, she wants to feel accepted, she wants that from Jack, but because of the events that happened at the Hydra, she's lbelieves she's lost that. I think that reality really sunk in for Kate last night when she saw Jack and Juliet behaving like she and Jack used to. So she was upset, crying, feeling regected and sought out the only place she knew she could get that acceptance. But she's not going to go to Sawyer and say "I need to sort out my feelings about Jack. Can I have a hug?"

Maybe she's just substituting a need for love and acceptance with sex. It's not THAT uncommon for people of both sexes. And Sawyer is most willing to oblige.

Sawyer could have stopped when he saw she was crying. He could have been more persistant... but he wanted the sex, too. He needed it as much as she did, possibly for the same reasons.

That doesn't make the characters wrong or worthy of name-calling. It makes their characters more believable because they are so flawed.

Excellent post rulostrmi. I think you've nailed Kate (so to speak:biggrin: ). I think she could have gone to Sawyer and said that she just needed a hug and I think he would have given it to her. But, for whatever reason that's still not clear to us from her history, Kate thinks that, in order to get any affection at all, she has to "put out".

I'm more positive than ever that we haven't seen all the damage that Wayne did to Kate. I'm hoping we'll finally get some answers about that soon. I want to know "What Wayne Did" that made Kate into the person she is.

Never liked Kate and don't like the triangle thing either. Too soap-opra-y. But hey, if some fans like that, then whatever. I'll keep watching for the characters, the plot, the mystery and the fun. I tolerate Kate and Jack.

This isn't really "out of character" for Kate. At least not this season. It's just what they've reduced her to. I don't feel sorry for her at all. She played it safe all this time, swaying back and forth between her loyalties to each man. I understand this was for the sake of the stupid triangle, but it hurt this character in the long run.

Have you ever had feelings for two people at the same time while deserted on an island while being kidnapped and held against your will? If not, how can you judge? I say walk a mile in that characters shoes and perhaps your perspective would change.

Kate is entitled to react however she wants. She can sleep with everyone in the entire camp for all I care. But we are also allowed to respond and judge this demeaning behavior. So, it's OK for Kate to use Sawyer because she feels bad? Whatever.

Obviously you DO care who kate sleeps with if you have chosen to characterize her behavior as demeaning. Did Sawyer demean himself when he slept with Ana?

And just because Sawyer also wanted to have sex, doesn't mean he wasn't hurt when he found out WHY she suddenly gave in. It was clear that it bothered him, and what he said to her at then end was just to save face (and probably get more sex).

He must have known something was up when she was crying and told him to shut up... he made the decision to go ahead and have sex anyway. Did Kate say "I want to make love to you, because I love you, etc."? Did she mislead him about the context of the sex?

Kate used to be a "complex" character, but now she's a life size cardboard cut out used purely for "triangle" fodder. Woo.

She's STILL a complex character (and one of my favorites). We STILL don't know what is motivating her. We still don't know what the others told her was going to happen if they didn't follow their instructions. We don't know why she's behaving this way, we can only guess.

So why is it everyone tends to assume it's just because she's <insert derrogatory word here> instead of something else?

Do not judge lest ye be judged. Open your minds people.

I think the writers took my favorite character and dragged her through the mud so they could show more shots of her panties.

A shame, really.

And yes, Sawyer does deserve better and that's not something I thought I'd ever say.


Deserves better? Are you kidding me? Are we talking a bout the same Sawyer?

The guy is a murderer and a con artist, please tell me what kind of women he deserves? I think Sawyer is getting exactly what he deserves.

Okay, can we please not turn this into something Jack did? This is all on Kate. What is Jack supposed to do? Is he supposed to sit all alone in his tent and pine after Kate? He believes she is with Sawyer. He's treating both of them in a mature, polite and friendly manner. The guy is trying to make himself a bowl of oatmeal and she's flirting with him. He did what any decent guy would've done. Get the heck out of there and quick. Jack isn't the type of guy to hone in on another guy's girl, not even Sawyer's girl.

At the risk of sounding like a Jack fan. I must agree that even I do not find fault with Jack's behavior in this episode. Though I must add that it is my firm belief that any "type" of guy will hone in on another guy's girl, if the circumstances are right. (to be fair. I don't hold a much higher opinion of women)

I liked this episode but these Kate scenes made me sick. They were terribly written and incredibly tacky and common, something i'd expect out of a teenager. It's not just the whole shallow sex scene either, it's the fact that in the previous seasons and episodes she seemed mature. In flashbacks if she used a guy it would be an act and all for the greater good, using that bank robber guy to get her plane etc. This time it wasn't for anything but personal gain.

"all for the greater good" You're kidding, right? Because getting a guy to help you rob a bank, for any reason, but especially to help you get a toy from your past (unless it is a rare antique worth millions or a cure for cancer) is the very definition of *for personal gain*.

Also, "tacky and common" is hardly the exclusive territory of teenagers. They don't even occupy very large portion of that space. They learn it from the more than ample supply of adult examples of tacky and common behavior.

I just can't beleive she would consider having sex after Juliet's revelation last week.

Maybe they have some kind of protection as this is the ever resourceful Sawyer but who would chance it?

Maybe she's committing suicide by sex?

And yes, you can bet that if there were condoms in the fuselage or the luggage, Sawyer has them. In light of that, it seems a natural assumption that Sawyer would be the safest sex on the island.
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This whole thread is just bizarre to me. Kate used to be great! I admired her. She was moral. She was good. She was above such things. She's changed. This is so unlike her. I can't respect her any more. etc etc etc

What?

You can hang with her through running from the law, robbing a bank, drugging two different men, a fraudulent marriage and burning a man to DEATH ... but sex with Sawyer makes her trailer trash? :eek2: Sorry. I just can't make that leap.

I like the character Kate. I might even like a real person like her, if I met her in real life. But I can't imagine that I would ever trust her any further than I could throw her. I can't imagine that I would admire her. I might admire something she had done, but certainly not her, as a person.

I really can't imagine how Kate sleeping with Sawyer (or every male over 12 on the island, for that matter) once, twice or three times daily for the remainder of her island stay could possibly even register on the radar of her morality. I just don't get it.

Deserves better? Are you kidding me? Are we talking a bout the same Sawyer?

The guy is a murderer and a con artist, please tell me what kind of women he deserves? I think Sawyer is getting exactly what he deserves.

hmmm.... so if one is a murderer and a con artist... which both Kate and Sawyer are... they derserve less? What determines what you deserve? Does a bank robber deserve more than a murderer? Does an alchoholic deserve more than a drug addict? Does an adultress deserve more than a hooker? Who decides?

Everyone makes their own choices in life... and that determines what you get, regardless of what you deserve. Who has the sliding scale on what people deserve anyway?

Works For Me!!!!!!!!

Ah Kate. She used to be my favorite character - strong, smart, and capable. Now, she's eye candy and her only plot line is OMG SEX! The writers could have done much better.

I wish people would not call Kate trailer trash!:frown:

That is very mean!:frown:

I still like Kate, but the writers are probably "knocking her down to build her back up".

Kate is falling apart fast... too fast for redemption? perhaps

A good way to build trust is to use someone *sarcasm*, especially if it involves their emotions. Sawyer is becoming "whipped" if he can't put two and two together. She hates me, she loves me? The guy is just asking to be used, secretly he probably wants to be used. IMO. Kate is heading for disaster if she can't learn to control her emotions. It seems as though she can create nothing but destruction behind the illusion of sincerity. WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR FATE IS SEALED! (it's too late...)
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hmmm.... so if one is a murderer and a con artist... which both Kate and Sawyer are... they derserve less? What determines what you deserve? Does a bank robber deserve more than a murderer? Does an alchoholic deserve more than a drug addict? Does an adultress deserve more than a hooker? Who decides?

Everyone makes their own choices in life... and that determines what you get, regardless of what you deserve. Who has the sliding scale on what people deserve anyway?

On the Island... JACOB and Smokey do.

Off the Island... people who have more power than you decide it.

This whole thread is just bizarre to me. Kate used to be great! I admired her. She was moral. She was good. She was above such things. She's changed. This is so unlike her. I can't respect her any more. etc etc etc

What?

You can hang with her through running from the law, robbing a bank, drugging two different men, a fraudulent marriage and burning a man to DEATH ... but sex with Sawyer makes her trailer trash? :eek2: Sorry. I just can't make that leap.

I like the character Kate. I might even like a real person like her, if I met her in real life. But I can't imagine that I would ever trust her any further than I could throw her. I can't imagine that I would admire her. I might admire something she had done, but certainly not her, as a person.

I really can't imagine how Kate sleeping with Sawyer (or every male over 12 on the island, for that matter) once, twice or three times daily for the remainder of her island stay could possibly even register on the radar of her morality. I just don't get it.

LOL, good points. I think what you have here is a case of upset fans on both sides of the triangle. They all want Kate to make a real and definite choice and are getting frustrated. You get a handful of episodes that get the Sawyer/Kate fans all happy and ready to claim victory only to be shot back down by a handful of episodes that get the Jack/Kate fans all happy and ready to claim victory.

They allowed Kate to sleep with Sawyer only to make it painfully clear that her heart lies with Jack, but even though she loves Jack she continues to run back to Sawyer and now that all that is out in the open she may be ready to try to make things work with Sawyer and try to forget about Jack and Jack is going to try to forget about Kate by getting snuggly with Juliet and in the meantime both Sawyer and Juliet will know where Kate and Jack's hearts really lie and it ain't with them.

If Jules stays alive and turns out to be on the Lostie's side there's at least a whole seasons worth of frustration to be milked out of this quadrangle. Yes?

LOL, good points. I think what you have here is a case of upset fans on both sides of the triangle. They all want Kate to make a real and definite choice and are getting frustrated. You get a handful of episodes that get the Sawyer/Kate fans all happy and ready to claim victory only to be shot back down by a handful of episodes that get the Jack/Kate fans all happy and ready to claim victory.

They allowed Kate to sleep with Sawyer only to make it painfully clear that her heart lies with Jack, but even though she loves Jack she continues to run back to Sawyer and now that all that is out in the open she may be ready to try to make things work with Sawyer and try to forget about Jack and Jack is going to try to forget about Kate by getting snuggly with Juliet and in the meantime both Sawyer and Juliet will know where Kate and Jack's hearts really lie and it ain't with them.

If Jules stays alive and turns out to be on the Lostie's (Jack's) side there's at least a whole seasons worth of angst to be milked out of this quadrangle. Yes?
I'm not a shipper at all. I have absolutely NO preference who Kate ends up with. None. She can end up with Hurley or Claire for all I care. I just think Kate has become such a stock device used specifically to fuel this "triangle," and it's boring and demeaning. In my opinion, this character has basically been reduced to a loser.

I'm amazed at how many posts this has generated. I don't think I can add anything else to what everyone else has said. Skank, trailer trash, man those are some harsh words for her.

Give the show time, I'm sure she will redeem herself in the future.

SKANK. Pure and simple. And pathetic.

Kate is falling apart fast... too fast for redemption? perhaps

A good way to build trust is to use someone *sarcasm*, especially if it involves their emotions. Sawyer is becoming "whipped" if he can't put two and two together. She hates me, she loves me? The guy is just asking to be used, secretly he probably wants to be used. IMO. Kate is heading for disaster if she can't learn to control her emotions. It seems as though she can create nothing but destruction behind the illusion of sincerity. WAKE UP BEFORE YOUR FATE IS SEALED! (it's too late...)
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On the Island... JACOB and Smokey do.

Off the Island... people who have more power than you decide it.

Hmmm... and here I was thinking I decide what I deserve... and then I go get it. :cool:

On the island... well, that's a different world all together. It would seem the others (Jacob) and Smokey are playing judge and jury... They see things in good and evil... black and white... when in reality it's really more shades of grey and varying degrees of moral standards. After all, every single one of our losties have done morally questionable things. What standard are the others/smokey using to determine what is good?

Actually I think Kate is in a similar situation to her mother.She left a good guy to be with a not so good guy. (Although I love Sawyer and am not a fan of Jack, I think Kate may see a little of the father that raised her in him, and a little of that awful stepfather in Sawyer)

Lets not forget that Jack outed Sawyer for having an STD in season 1. No one seems to recall that . . .

Lets not forget that Jack outed Sawyer for having an STD in season 1. No one seems to recall that . . .
What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that Kate might also get an STD from Sawyer if he's untreated? Or are you implying that a person with an STD should also be labeled a "skank"? If it's the latter, I disagree.

When I first saw the whole Kate/Jack/Sawyer scene last night I was just shaking my head saying "No Kate, Nooooooooo". When I thought it was more foolish love triangle stuff I thought Kate was just being pathetic, but then I watched it again and thought there might be something more going on. I tried to see if this has been brought up already, sorry if it has.


I find the timing really suspicious as we know Juliette's prime concern right now must be to find a new test subject who is just ready to conceive, and to find out what happens at conception. And then there's Kate throwing herself at Jack and Sawyer. What if Kate was given in implant, hypnotized or even brainwashed so that at the moment she was ovulating and most likely to concieve she would be irresistably compelled to have sex? Her first choice would probably be Jack as we know she has unrequited love for him, but Jack rejected her advances and so she went to Sawyer, who is pretty much good to go without much prompting. So could it be that Kate is the next test subject? I find that when I watch those scenes from that point of view it casts her in a much better light. I don't know though, seems like lately whenever I give character's the benefit of the doubt I'm likely wrong.

Hey using the word skank is a little far fetched here. It's not like she slept with half the guys on the island. I do think she is wrong in using Sawyer. Would you consider Sawyer a skank? He has already slept with 2 women on the island.

Come on people, let's not misuse words here. Skank
[/list]Kate isn't a skank. She's only slept with Sawyer. She's a child. She's used sex Sawyer twice for sex now to make HERSELF feel better. She was being selfish plain and simple.
Agreed. Her behavior is much more childish than "skanky."

As for Sawyer, don't worry about him. I think he's realized he's lost Kate's heart and just getting what he can from the woman he loves. He's taken on the typical role of the guy that the girl goes and cries to when the other guy is mean to her. He's smart enough to know the reason the girl goes and cries to that guy is for an ego boost, but he also knows the girl would only consider it an ego boost if she was attracted to the guy in some way.
While I sort of agree with this overall, I do think that he was hurt when he realized why Kate suddenly changed her mind. I'm not going to say that his heart was broken or anything, but that's still got to hurt. And I do think he most likely has feelings of actual love for her, so even if he's super horny, it probably still hurts to know the "affection" he's receiving is sheerly because of insecurity and jealousy.

She's just confused and having a hard time dealing with how she feels.
She should stop just thinking about what her feelings are, and start focusing.
She's so inmature to see that she has actually hurted people around her. She hurted Jack, and now she's using Sawyer, and still flirting with Jack, though she knows that he saw the polar bear cage's film. That is so not fair. I really hope she'll end up alone, I really would like Kate, but now I just can't (under)stand her game. :drowsy:

If Jules stays alive and turns out to be on the Lostie's side there's at least a whole seasons worth of frustration to be milked out of this quadrangle. Yes?

A whole season's worth of tri- and quadrangles??? :eek2:
Well, there's my worst nightmare in a nutshell! :crying: :crybaby:

I agree w/ those of you who have indicated that Kate is incredibly emotionally stunted. More like jr hi than high school...Timmy's sitting in the cafeteria at lunch with Tiffany, so Susie runs away crying. Geez.

What I'd like to mention are our two boys. Jack has been working my last nerve for a long time, but I pretty much liked him in his scenes last night. He was being decent to everyone. Sawyer pretty much also. I think his ping pong challenge had a lot to do w/ his "You're pretty much my only friend here, Doc," feeling and was glad Jack was safe and back on the beach. They seemed to enjoy each other's company. Nice to see people that way for a change. (And kudos to the writers for refraining from letting super-Jack win at everything as usual.)

And when Sawyer went a'knockin' at Kate's door, he was being tease-y and flirty because he thought he actually had a relationship w/ her. I was proud of him that when he realized he'd been used he didn't get mad and revenge-y w/ Kate or Jack. He was sweet to Kate but called her on it. That looked like a bit of growth there to me.

Somewhat off-topic...When Kate and Sawyer were making their way back to the beach from the House of Horror, and Kate asked him to apologize...I couldn't really figure out what he was supposed to apologize for but assumed it was for leaving Jack behind. Now that Kate went back for Jack and realized it was a mistake (and apologized to Jack for it) I don't suppose Sawyer will get an apology or a, "Gee, you were right after all," from her. I'm just sayin'.

she may not have had the best motivations, but i hardly think she's a 'skank' (ugh, i hate that word). it's not like she just met sawyer, they've been through a lot together, and on top of that, they've already had sex before so it's not even just a one-night stand.

she may be confused and looking for validation, but i don't think these circumstances mean she's cheap.

You seem to forget that she slept with Sawyer out of pity because she thought he was going to be executed the next morning....But sigh...What have they done to Kate? You know what that reminds me of? John Locke's character in season 2. He was the King in season one to become the Jester in season two. Look at Locke now!

But I hope they fix this or make her Smokey's next victim...I felt bad for her in the eppy until the sex-scene. Yeah, she did come out as cheap...She's obviously torn up with mixed feelings...She regrets sleeping with Sawyer and she thinks it's over with Jack....but it aint because he'll flip when Juliet executes her plan....Then it will be time to start the triangle again, unless...someone dies? ;)

Come on Kate! Wake up!

I think this thread would benefit if we could all try to separate our feelings for Kate from the actual story. Hating Kate and hating the triangle are two different things.

Yeah I think what Kate did was pretty childish.

But IMO the triangle this season has really lead to some incredible stories. Just look at what Sawyer did this ep; that sort of thing would have never happend without Kate. The same argument could be made for Jack and Juliet's pseudo-relationship.

So while I might not "like" Kate as a person, I love what she brings to the table in terms of developing other characters and furthering the story.

On a side note, I would also like to point out that just yesterday Kate learned that getting pregnant on the Island will kill you. I don't think you just forget something like that. So in addition to being immature Kate's behavior would seem to be extremely self-destructive.

Anyone else think that kate is being a skank? Running to sawyer only after shes rejected by jack? seriously, sawyer deserves better, and she has some serious issues to work out.

Skank is a disgusting word. Last time I heard anyone called a skank was when I was in Junior High...maybe.

Anyway, Kate has been wrestling with these two guys for 80+ days now. It was only two weeks ago that she slept with Sawyer during a hirribly traumatic experience. That is something that people do, they comfort each other in a physical way when faced with something traumatic. Then he picks a fight with her, she goes off to save Jack, finds out that Jack has an interest in the woman that threatened to kill her. Kate has had a lot to deal with. She is confused.

She also has no real experience with men. She got her childhood sweetheart killed, she drugged her husband and ran away, in fact the most stable relationship that she has had with a male is the Marshal.

Kate is confused, living on a crazy island where insane thing after insane thing happens. She might react out in a physical way, people do it all the time.

But skank?? Shame on you for using that word.

When has behavior being self-destructive ever stopped a teenager from engaging in it?

Uhh, I don't think the analogy you're making is fair. In the worst case scenario in the real would you could contract HIV, which will kill you, but not for 8,10,20, even 30 years somtimes. Here you have, presumably, a 100% chance of dying within a few months.

Now I think adults can often be irresponsible when having sexual intercourse, but assuming you're right and this is somthing only teenagers do, I must point out that Kate is not a teenager.

Skank is a disgusting word. Last time I heard anyone called a skank was when I was in Junior High...maybe. But skank?? Shame on you for using that word.

Sticks and Stones...
Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

Kate having sex with Sawyer after just having found out that women who conceive on the island die is a big plot hole the writers are going to have a hard time explaining. Maybe they'll simply say that of course they had protection, but that's a lame response to one of the main storylines, one that will be brought up again next episode. I just don't see any other possible explanations.

Sticks and Stones...
Actions Speak Louder Than Words.

Her actions aren't perfect, I agree. Kate has made a lot of mistakes, but so has Sawyer. He just started being nice to people when Hurley told him that he was going to be thrown out of the camp. Kate has been nice and helpful since the very beginning. Now that she is dealing with some emotional crap and acting out, she deserves the title of skank? Tough crowd.

I must point out that Kate is not a teenager


No, physically she is a grown woman, but she's very immature emotionally which I think she has displayed often and last night it was magnified. Of course we are talking about a woman that blew her father up because she found out he was her biological father so rational thought or behavior isn't something one would associate with Kate.

She doesn't deserve the hateful names she's being called though. Call her immature, confused, wishy-washy or even a full-blown basket-case, but labeling a woman as something unsavory because she had sex for reasons other than "love" is unfair.

Her actions aren't perfect, I agree. Kate has made a lot of mistakes, but so has Sawyer. He just started being nice to people when Hurley told him that he was going to be thrown out of the camp. Kate has been nice and helpful since the very beginning. Now that she is dealing with some emotional crap and acting out, she deserves the title of skank? Tough crowd.


I agree. FYI all, the mods asked us not to use that word earlier in the thread and I personally, find it very offensive myself.

Where is the sympathy for Kate? She makes mistakes just like everyone else. Kate is an emotional, impulsive woman. She is immature in the way she deals with her relationships. We have to make mistakes in order to grow.

I keep waiting for Jack to say "Just so ya know, he screwed A/L also...." But, really, it's just so tacky. They are making Kate stupider by the day. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I keep waiting for Jack to say "Just so ya know, he screwed A/L also...." But, really, it's just so tacky. They are making Kate stupider by the day. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


I hope he tells her! I feel for Sawyer...Sure, there,s the immediate sexual tension between them, but I think Sawyer's falling for Kate, and it isnt really the case with K. I knew girls like that in high school, lol! Us poor guys always getting hurt and hearing that awful line..."I dont really love you, I like you though!!!! We can still be friends if you want...!"

So yeah, it was cheap but I agree, let's give the girl a break! ;)

Another good point brought up was the fact K knows about the pregnancy deaths. Is she that fed up she's risking her life in a slow suicide? Or...does she think getting pregnant will get her saved and taken care of by the others???? Oooooooooh the plot thickens!!!

Her actions aren't perfect, I agree. Kate has made a lot of mistakes, but so has Sawyer. He just started being nice to people when Hurley told him that he was going to be thrown out of the camp. Kate has been nice and helpful since the very beginning. Now that she is dealing with some emotional crap and acting out, she deserves the title of skank? Tough crowd.

What I mean is, call her what you want, Kate is what Kate does. Sticks and stone will break my bones, but names will never hurt me. I meant it as, who cares what she's called, her actions speak way louder than any high school term. Let kate be kate, she does a good enough job at letting us know how much self-respect she has for herself.

I can't help but think as usual she is thinking with her heart and not her head.
I'm presonally hoping the story plays out that she has/had an IUD and thinks she is safe from getting pregnant. Only to find out later that is was removed while one of the many times she has been unconsious.
If she does turn up pregnant.
Because I honestly do not want to see her be that reckless.

oh yeah! ana lucia sex...totally forgot about that. I really couldn't see Jack bringing that up though...

Oh Kate Kate. Definately not a skank - just a confused woman who tends to act impulsively. She needs to: step 1 - sort out her feelings. step 2 - actually TALK to Jack, not flirting and beating around the bush in hopes he'll forget who he thinks she's with now.

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Skank is slang and a pejorative term used in the Western World to describe a person, usually female, who is either sexually promiscuous in a tasteless manner or behaves in a way which others perceive to be such.[1][2] The term "Skank" differs from that of "Slut" in that whereas the latter implies only sexual promiscuity, the former also implies poor taste, personally degrading behaviour and low socioeconomic class. Also used as slang for lower class female that is dirty or not presenting themself well.
Originally denoting a bad smell[citation needed] or a filthy surface[3], "skank" has come to refer to someone who is physically repugnant for their filth, and figuratively applied to someone who is morally or socially repugnant for their behavior and demeanor, most often sexual conduct.[4]

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"Skank" might be a little harsh. :shrug:

I think it's a bit harsh as well and I agree she's confused and has been through a lot of traumatic experiences. I don't think this ep shows that she loves Jack. I think it shows that she doesn't know exactly what she wants. I agree that she doesn't really know how to have a healthy relationship with a man or anyone else for that matter. People have different ways of dealing with things, unfortunately hers is not very healthy in this case but I think she's confused and who knows - maybe she did it to find out what her feelings are once and for all. If you notice when Sawyer confronts her afterward, she did feel bad about it.

She was very close to Jack and she was his right hand for a while so I think it's a culmination of all these feelings that led her to Sawyer in a fit of passion and .... Judging by the promo shot of Kate and Sawyer together, I am even more convinced that she isn't in love with Jack. She may have thought she was for a time.

As for teenagers engaging in destructive behaviour...so it's only teenagers that get pregnant accidentally, get HIV or other STD's. Come on, adults behave this way on a regular basis.

Has anyone even considered that maybe Kate can't get pregnant...??? I apologize if it's been mentioned earlier but I didn't have time to read all the pages of this.

I think it's a bit harsh as well and I agree she's confused and has been through a lot of traumatic experiences. I don't think this ep shows that she loves Jack. I think it shows that she doesn't know exactly what she wants. I agree that she doesn't really know how to have a healthy relationship with a man or anyone else for that matter. People have different ways of dealing with things, unfortunately hers is not very healthy in this case but I think she's confused and who knows - maybe she did it to find out what her feelings are once and for all. If you notice when Sawyer confronts her afterward, she did feel bad about it.

She was very close to Jack and she was his right hand for a while so I think it's a culmination of all these feelings that led her to Sawyer in a fit of passion and .... Judging by the promo shot of Kate and Sawyer together, I am even more convinced that she isn't in love with Jack. She may have thought she was for a time.

As for teenagers engaging in destructive behaviour...so it's only teenagers that get pregnant accidentally, get HIV or other STD's. Come on, adults behave this way on a regular basis.

Has anyone even considered that maybe Kate can't get pregnant...??? I apologize if it's been mentioned earlier but I didn't have time to read all the pages of this.

About the last sentence you said. I remember in "I do" that Kate took a pregnancy test and was so relieved that she wasn't pregnant. That makes me believe that she has no concerns that she isn't able to get pregnant. That doesn't mean that she is able to get pregnant or not, just means that she is not privy to any problems with her reproductive system. I personally don't think she is going to end up pregnant, unless, like I've said before about this subject, she sleeps with Jack. Then of course she will end up pregnant!!! Then they will have to fight about who's the baby's daddy!

Also, keep in mind that Sawyer tends to look for reasons to trivialize his intimacy with Kate. For example, after they escaped from Otherville, he accussed Kate of having sex with him because she felt sorry for him and thought he was going to die. This time he accusses her of using him to get back at Jack. Is there any truth to this? Not sure. But Sawyer does seem to be reaching for a reason to deny an emotional relationship w/ Kate.

Kate is the perfect girl for this triangle and she is playing it both ways. She is immature, selfish and reckless. But this is what both men want.
Jack want someone to save and protect, Sawyer wants someone to be a partner in crime. Kate can be both. Jack wants to be the only grown up in a relationship and Sawyer wants to have no grownups whatsoever. Kate is definitely not acting like an adult. The point of last night's ep (tasteless though it was) was that Jack is starting to resist Kate's charms and look for an adult to have a relationship with - Juliet is many things but she rarely seems childish. Kate was going to "win" affection from someone either way without having to change her character flaws. She doesn't love anyone - she is rejected not jealous. In an ideal world for Kate, everyone would want her - and she could pick and choose. Given the only 2 men on the island that have shown an interest, and one just found someone else ,her options are down from limitless adoration to a single relationship where everything can be fixed by sex ( for a while). Boring for her and pointless for us - let's hope the island gives her another way to work out her self esteem issues.

About the last sentence you said. I remember in "I do" that Kate took a pregnancy test and was so relieved that she wasn't pregnant. That makes me believe that she has no concerns that she isn't able to get pregnant. That doesn't mean that she is able to get pregnant or not, just means that she is not privy to any problems with her reproductive system. I personally don't think she is going to end up pregnant, unless, like I've said before about this subject, she sleeps with Jack. Then of course she will end up pregnant!!! Then they will have to fight about who's the baby's daddy!


Yes but we don't know what might have happened after that. I'm just thinking there has to be some reason that she isn't bothered by this. Of course it could be self destructive given what we know of her self-esteem.

Kate is the perfect girl for this triangle and she is playing it both ways. She is immature, selfish and reckless. But this is what both men want.
Jack want someone to save and protect, Sawyer wants someone to be a partner in crime. Kate can be both. Jack wants to be the only grown up in a relationship and Sawyer wants to have no grownups whatsoever. Kate is definitely not acting like an adult. The point of last night's ep (tasteless though it was) was that Jack is starting to resist Kate's charms and look for an adult to have a relationship with - Juliet is many things but she rarely seems childish. Kate was going to "win" affection from someone either way without having to change her character flaws. She doesn't love anyone - she is rejected not jealous. In an ideal world for Kate, everyone would want her - and she could pick and choose. Given the only 2 men on the island that have shown an interest, and one just found someone else ,her options are down from limitless adoration to a single relationship where everything can be fixed by sex ( for a while). Boring for her and pointless for us - let's hope the island gives her another way to work out her self esteem issues.

I must disagree with this, I don't think that they are the only two men who showed an interest - there were some nifty scenes in the beginning with Sayid.

I don't think she is the kind of person where everything is fixed by sex... she resisted being intimate with anyone for a long time and if this was the case, I would see her going after Sawyer earlier on. I don't think it's too much a stretch for her to want to be wanted but I don't think she feels wanted...back to the self-esteem issues.

I love how behaviour like this is always classified as childish even though it's practiced by adults all the time. Who teaches teenagers to act like this...they just learn it by themselves...I don't think so. Children, when not being influenced by adults are very honest and I think true to themselves...they are taught certain behaviours like lying about someone's haircut to spare their feelings. We know now that people's personalities are not solely defined at birth - they may have tendencies but they who they are going to be gets shaped by their experiences and upbringing. Kate's mother had a lot to do with who Kate is now - I am not saying she should just blame her mother and carry on...but she has to work through her issues and there are a lot to work through.

I think Kate's father (Sam) leaving her behind at such a young age probably has the most to do with who Kate is today as far as how she deals with men.

As I said in similar threads before, "Kate" is not a character written well just like many other characters in Lost. What makes "Kate" seem so pathetic is the fact that unfortunately she's the female lead of the show. She has the highest screen time yet her only story is her relations with Jack or Sawyer. It's a pity that the girl who went down into the hatch together with Locke in Season 2 is gone. Her body has been replaced with the soul of a teenager who is not much of a thinker. Kate was drawn like a rash, "act first, think later" style character. But in Season 3 she doesn't even "think later". Take her brain out and she would do exactly the same. They victimized "Kate" character to "Sawyer" character for sake of showing sex (just as Sawyer character has been victimized to "funny Sawyer", "sexy Sawyer", "golden-hearted Sawyer" fans). Think of all she's done in Season 3 (all she's been made to do by the TPTB who apparently think that sex will save Lost), then you can understand the twisted logic behind Season 3 (sex, romance!!!! and adventure season).

I refuse to seek for rational thought, logical reasoning for Kate's actions. She's written that way specifically for the sex scenes which makes them gratitious. It's sad to see that Lost, once a different show from other TV shows, has also turned into a sexed up prime time soap opera.

So harsh!

I didn't think Kate did anything wrong, other than letting her emotions play over her face so obviously (something a fugitive certainly should have learned not to do).

Kate has lingering, complicated feelings for Jack. She felt a pang when she saw Jack with Juliet. So--she immediately went looking for HER man to reaffirm to herself and to him that HE is the one she wants and loves. Entirely appropriate, and I believe it shows growth on her part.

Unfortunately, the jealous Sawyer reads her like a book. But rather than being mature and canny enough to keep it to himself, enjoy his lover and his good fortune, he brings it out into the open, picking at HIS wound and alienating Kate.

As Josh said about his character: "Sawyer is a screwup, so he'll always screw it up."

Perhaps the sex = death revelation should have thrown cold water on Kate's romantic feelings, but I certainly don't want to see our island inhabitants holding their knees together forever. I'll just assume she has an IUD or the Patch--the same thing I assumed about Sayid and Shannon, two eminently sensible people.

its all about milking the "tension" between characters. The writers will put Jack and Kate together...in the next to last episode of the series!

Ok...so Kate is acting a tad...trampy. But these people are on an island and the idea that humans (apparently an island full of attractive ones at that) can go indefinitely without some sort of intimancy is silly. People will shack up, then break up and shack up again. Its a microcosm of the real world in that sense. People are pairing up. For now thatmeans Sawyer and Kate constitute a pair. Big whoop. I think she would have been a bigger tramp has she been with Sawyer and then tried to get back together with Jack. She wants Jack, sure but lets face it...so far she has only been with one man. Until that changes I dont believe she qualifies as a skank.

Yes the producers are likely using some skimpy moments to get the attention of a male driven demographic. They do the same with shirtless shots of Sawyer or Jack or even Jin to give the ladies a glimpse.. As a guy, sure I enjoyed it but I dont consider it to be worth posting about. If Evangeline minded too much I believe that she could easily refuse. I think the purpose of that though was to re-stablish that there is a physical comfort between Sawyer and Kate.

Wow, so many judgemental people, who obviously never turned to another person when they felt rejected by someone about whom they cared...

Sawyer earlier in the show asked Kate if she wanted to get it on, in a manner that suggested getting it on was good for him, with or without romantic bonding stuff. He confirmed exactly that at the end of the show.

Was Sawyer doing it out of hurt? Partly. Probably.

Was Kate doing it out of hurt? Partly. Probably.

So what?
They're both unattached adults with physical and emotional needs. Neither is better or worse than the other. I don't get the harsh criticism and name-calling of either, much less singling out Kate.

Agreed. Least favourite part of the episode. Kate acts like she's fifteen. She's become my least favourite character and I never thought I'd say this but I feel bad for Sawyer. I think he was hurt by what she did but covered it up by acting cocky and saying "all you had to do was ask."
Totally agree !! Couldn't say it better...

Anyone else think that kate is being a skank? Running to sawyer only after shes rejected by jack? seriously, sawyer deserves better, and she has some serious issues to work out.

Well how about Sawyer acting like a skank?!? :nono: He has had the most sex on the island than anyone else. Remember he did Ana-Lucia? She only got close to him to get a gun to kill ben, but he didn't have to do anything with her. Plus, in season one Sawyer asked for a kiss from Kate as a means of revealing whether or not he had Shannon's asthma meds. Also, if Kate and Jack had wanted to be together they would have done so after Kate kissed Jack in WKD. So, I think she is sad that she hurt Jack and their plutonic relationship is pretty much over with and she went to sawyer for comfort. They have been through a lot lately together.

Now I don't particularly care for Kate but I don't think calling her a skank is truely the correct description for her right now.

Yo, come on people, seriously, read the words I wrote rather than what you want to read.

All I was saying is that behavior being destructive doesn't stop teen