I'm sorry. But I missed what happened. Something fell in the ocean.

For a moment there, I thought it was the parachutist, but that could not be because she fell through the trees. So what was it?

Edit: Apparently, the topic of this thread is more of a debate on whether or not a helicopter fell into the ocean. There are lots of good debates for each side, so happy reading! :)

The helicopter crashd in the ocean and Naomi parachuted out.

The splash made by the "Helicopter" was tiny, and it didnt float for a second...it simply vanished instantly. This was either a cheap stunt, or theres something we don't know.

-thecoerce

The helicopter was fairly far off in the distance. I'm almost positive that was it.

It had to have been far away, it made hardly any noise. It sounded like someone had thrown a rock in the water! I am not so sure it was the helicopter. I believe someone else was flying the helicopter, the girl parachuted out and something dropped into the water.

The helicopter fell into the ocean.

It had to have been far away, it made hardly any noise. It sounded like someone had thrown a rock in the water! I am not so sure it was the helicopter. I believe someone else was flying the helicopter, the girl parachuted out and something dropped into the water.


I think you're right. I dont think it was the helicopter that dropped in the water. Something of that size would take a few seconds to fill with water before sinking.

I'm not sure what it was but I do have a question. How does a helicopter get that far into he Pacific? You would need a boat to fly off of or and Island equipped with fuel.

It was the helicopter, and it was far away..I don't think you could see whether it sunk or not.

The helicopter crashd in the ocean and Naomi parachuted out.


If it was indeedy a helicopter that little "ploop" would have been a KIRBOOMPLOOP. There is something out there. But maybe it came OUT of the Ocean to take a peek, and "plooped" back in....

D/

There is no way a helicopter would have mad that small of a splash. Either someone else was in the helicopter or something fell out of the helicopter when she ejected

Well seeing as it sploshed out to sea in the proximity of 'the cable'... could it be a replacement sonar bouy?

It had to have been far away, it made hardly any noise. It sounded like someone had thrown a rock in the water! I am not so sure it was the helicopter. I believe someone else was flying the helicopter, the girl parachuted out and something dropped into the water.


but if someone else was flying the helicopter and it didn't crash, why did it sound like it was having engine problems? Either Hurley or Charlie even said something like "That's not what a helicopter is supposed to sound like" or something along those lines. The splash did seem small but I just figured it was far away.

I've been reading some of other LOST messageboards and people are saying that the parachutist arrived via an aircraft similar to the V-22 Osprey:
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/images/AIR_V-22_Osprey_Jump_lg.jpg

This would explain how it could have reached some place as remote as the island yet also sound like a helicopter.

To me, and it could well just be my interpretation of the noise, what Hurley was referring to when he said something along the lines of 'is that what a helicopter is supposed to sound like?', it sounded like the whomp whomp of a helicopter, but there were also some very distinct sounds of stressed metal.. very reminiscent of the original plane crash before the tail section broke off. It would explain why 'Naomi' parachuted out somewhat closer to land than where the helicopter went down, but would also explain why it may have sunk so quickly, and why the splash may have been smaller than expected, because it may have come down in parts. (There are an awful lot of maybes here!).
I simply took the smaller splash to be that it was night, hard to see, and it came down quite far off the shore line. If it was coming over the island and broke up, i'm sure momentum alone would have been enough to propel it offshore. Also, as someone else in another thread pointed out, she had breathing apparatus on, suggesting she bailed when she was quite high- and could quite easily have drifted quite a way inland.
Thats what I took it to show anyway *shrugs*

Just before the splash we heard chopper blades. Immediately with the splash the blade noise stopped. At least flopping blade went into the water and there's no reason to believe that the chopper wasn't attached to the blades.

I really wouldn't think all that hard about this. It was obviously a production cost saving method. If you actually review the scene, you'll notice that you never actually see the helicopter at all. The splash was simply a cheap way of effectively showing us that the helicopter crashed. It is far away as well, remember all their statements like "you want us to swim all the way out there?" From the limited pictures and videos on the internet that i've seen of helicopter crashes, they don't seem to make all that big of splashes.
http://hedonistica.com/2006/09/25/bad-water-takeoff.jpg

I really wouldn't think all that hard about this. It was obviously a production cost saving method. If you actually review the scene, you'll notice that you never actually see the helicopter at all. The splash was simply a cheap way of effectively showing us that the helicopter crashed. It is far away as well, remember all their statements like "you want us to swim all the way out there?" From the limited pictures and videos on the internet that i've seen of helicopter crashes, they don't seem to make all that big of splashes.
http://hedonistica.com/2006/09/25/bad-water-takeoff.jpg

I for one don't think it was an actual helicopter. As Hurley said..........is a helicopter supposed to sound like that. Also, the parachutist has on a mask used in very high altitude, like fighter pilots. For some reason I don't think it was a helicopter.

I for one don't think it was an actual helicopter. As Hurley said..........is a helicopter supposed to sound like that.

He was, uhm, referring to the part where he rotor blades started stuttering. Before it came down.

Since Desmond is clearly a representation of Jesus, the flashing red light that was falling from the sky represented Jesus blood that was shed on the cross. So, this shows that Desmond will soon have to sacrifice his life in order to save the people on the island and get them rescued.

He was, uhm, referring to the part where he rotor blades started stuttering. Before it came down.

Yes, I heard those blades slowing down, and that stuttering engine sound and I thought "Yep, there's the island's weird properties buggering with another doomed aircraft." And then Sploosh!
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Since Desmond is clearly a representation of Jesus, the flashing red light that was falling from the sky represented Jesus blood that was shed on the cross. So, this shows that Desmond will soon have to sacrifice his life in order to save the people on the island and get them rescued.

Hm, interesting. Desmond is awfully Jesusy. Oh but man, that's pretty rough for Poor Desmond. He's been through a lot. Remember he's been there years, not a couple months like the Losties. He deserves to be with Pen. Des did sort of sacrifice his chance of being reunited with Penny by saving Charlie; because Des seems to thinks that saving Charlie altered the scheme of things-and now the parachutist is (She Who Cannot Be Named) and not Penny.So if the red light light does represent Christ's blood, then it may not be foreshadowing, it might be there to emphasize Desmond's sacrifice.

is it common for people to parachute out of helicopters? why would she be hiding her presence like that, at night in all black clothing?

Yes, I thought that was odd as well. Why drop down at night?

You would think this was a Federal Aviation Administration message board with all the helicopter crash "experts" floating around ;)

I'm on board with it being a cost saving method, and the reason she had the helmet on was to keep her identity secret from the US, the viewers. Would have spoiled the reveal if she hadn't had it on. I don't think it's supposed to be a clue to how she got there. Besides, the HOW isn't as important as the WHO, and WHY. (and some would argue the WHEN)

I'm playing it safe. We didn't see a helicopter, so we can't be postive that one crashed into the ocean. It sounded like a heli though.

I'm playing it safe. We didn't see a helicopter, so we can't be postive that one crashed into the ocean.

Yes, all we saw was some bad CGI waves splashing - white foam, and stuff. Could have been a food drop for all we know.

Since Desmond is clearly a representation of Jesus, the flashing red light that was falling from the sky represented Jesus blood that was shed on the cross. So, this shows that Desmond will soon have to sacrifice his life in order to save the people on the island and get them rescued.

No offense, but I think this is a wee bit far-fetched. The writers don't intend to integrate faith into the storyline even though faith exists within certain storylines.

Desmond wouldn't make a good representation of Jesus either: he's a drunkard, he killed Kelvin (even though by accident), he was the one who caused the plane crash to begin with (in other words, he would be "saving" them from what he caused in the first place), and he lied to Charlie to intentionally and initially allow him to die for his selfish reasons.

I'm playing it safe. We didn't see a helicopter, so we can't be postive that one crashed into the ocean. It sounded like a heli though.

Back to the topic, you're right - it sounded like a helicopter, but don't you think it also sounded like Smokey ;)

Thank you guys for your feedback. I look forward to more ideas :)

... it was the plot line taking a nose dive into the abyss.

... it was the plot line taking a nose dive into the abyss.

lol awww cheapshot!

Just replayed the helo sound and splash. From the placement in the water, the splash looks to be about 1.5 to 2 miles out, and at that distance it seems to me consistent with a medium sized helicopter -- say something like an Apache. (Of course we don't get a delay between seeing the splash and hearing it, but that's just the way it works in TV and movies!) Apaches and other military choppers do have ejection seats.

Listening carefully to the sound, it sounds at first just like helicopter rotors, then there are high-pitched sound added in, like metal on metal -- possibly the engine seizing up -- as the rotor sound gets progressively slower and slower until you hear the splash.

One simple theory is that the island is surrounded by an incredibly strong magnetic field, which would generate high electric currents and heat within the moving parts of the engine, causing it to seize up. Maybe that's why the last part of the sub ride is "a little bumpy", they have to go full speed and then shut off the engines and ram through the magnetic field using their momentum.
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Yes, all we saw was some bad CGI waves splashing - white foam, and stuff. Could have been a food drop for all we know.
Ah, so that's why Hurley was all, "Dudes, we have to go out there!" ;)
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Hm, interesting. Desmond is awfully Jesusy.
Funny you say that. Did you know that he played Jesus in The Book of John, right before he did Lost? Same haircut too! It was a really good movie, except he had his same sort of swagger -- didn't really look right in the 1st century.

All very interesting theories on the helicopter crash ... im going to have to agree that until we are told its something else that it is a helicopter - although it could very well be something else, and if it is a helicopter there could also be something very important inside the helicopter ...

No offense, but I think this is a wee bit far-fetched. The writers don't intend to integrate faith into the storyline even though faith exists within certain storylines.

Desmond wouldn't make a good representation of Jesus either: he's a drunkard, he killed Kelvin (even though by accident), he was the one who caused the plane crash to begin with (in other words, he would be "saving" them from what he caused in the first place), and he lied to Charlie to intentionally and initially allow him to die for his selfish reasons.

I don't know, I would not be so quick to say Desmond wouldn't be a good representation of Jesus. I mean, Jesus did drink wine, and I don't think Desmond is a drunkard, I just think he drinks on occasion. I also wouldn't say the writers don't intend to integrate faith with in the storyline... They may have their own personal reasons to integrate their faith in the storyline which you may not know about.

Also, to me it makes sense that Desmond is saving them from what he allowed to happen in the first place. I mean, look at God... He created the earth and allowed a lot of bad things to happen, but He is also our savior Jesus. So essentially God is "saving" us from what He created in the first place.

We also still don't know if Desmond is doing what he is doing for selfish reasons. We have all been shocked at the way Locke is completely different than he was in the first season. Why can't Desmond be experiencing the same thing, maybe he is completely unselfish, and we just don't know the reason.

Anyways, we should stay on topic. Another think I failed to mention earlier was that I really think the darkness that surrounded the red light represented the darkness of this world, and how Jesus was the light.

I've listened many times to the sound FX usually referred to as the helicopter. What I hear is the "wop-wop" sound, usually associated with chopper blades and at the same time, the sound of a jet engine.

Yes, that could be the sound of a jet powered chopper, but we also need to explain the way the parachutist was dressed. She looked like someone ejecting at high altitude, oxygen mask and all. No one ejects from a helicopter and no helicopter can reach altitudes that would require oxygen.

My theory is that she did, in fact, eject from a jet. The "wop-wop" sound identified as a chopper could then either be A: the sound of her ejection seat spinning as it went into the ocean (it has not yet been accounted for), or B: the sound of a large spinning package meant to land right at the site of the broken sonar signal, to be used in its repair.

What do folks think?

I think sometimes people forget the majority of the audience are regular viewers who probably don't kow much (or care much) about the properties of helicopters (how far can they travel, do they have ejection seats, how big a splash would they make, etc.)

I think it was very straight forward and done for the average viewer:


Losties hear sounds of helicopter blades
They are all happy because they think they are getting rescued
Helicopter sounds slow down, there seems to be trouble; Hurley asks if a helicopter is supposed to sound that way
Splash far away in the ocean, Desmond looks heartbroken (thinks his vision was wrong).The obvious intention here was that a helicopter came, got in trouble and crashed in the ocean. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, you know?

I think sometimes people forget the majority of the audience are regular viewers who probably don't kow much (or care much) about the properties of helicopters (how far can they travel, do they have ejection seats, how big a splash would they make, etc.)

I think it was very straight forward and done for the average viewer:


Losties hear sounds of helicopter blades
They are all happy because they think they are getting rescued
Helicopter sounds slow down, there seems to be trouble; Hurley asks if a helicopter is supposed to sound that way
Splash far away in the ocean, Desmond looks heartbroken (thinks his vision was wrong).The obvious intention here was that a helicopter came, got in trouble and crashed in the ocean. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, you know?LOL Yeah it was a cigar. The small looking splash can be explained as a combination of the distance and the helicopter autorotating in at a reasonably slow rate of descent.
The parachutist we dare not name does not have a ton of supplies because she expected to land on the beach and fly away after looking for Desmond. She wore the helmet and black outfit because the intitial part of the flight was at a higher elevation after the long range helicopter took off from a ship. Or maybe she just liked the look of that outfit?:rolleyes:

Come to think about it,...why would the parachutist be flying the helicopter alone?

If she was on a search and rescue mission, she would have somebody else with her, in case of emergencies,...i.e. crash, low on fuel, or injury to the pilot or the parachutist (both can fly the chopper). They usually work in teams.

I thought the chopper sounded like it was running out of gas,...and I just assumed it dumped into the ocean,..but, somebody said it sounded like a rock hitting the water,..and I have to say, now that I rethink it, and I agree.

If it had been a helicopter crashing it would have made more noise, and the lights would have remained on in the water, as it sunk, i.e. batteries. The blades would have torn off, and been thrown a distance from the sinking chopper.

I agree,...the helicopter part of the epi, may have been a ruse.

My advice to the people who are seriously considering that it wasn't a helicopter that crashed; it isn't worth questioning the things that we have an adequate explanation for at this time. We hear the chopper failing, then we see a crash, then no more chopper sounds. It all fits together - to me there is no mystery. Now, it might work out that it wasn't a helicopter. But at this time, there isn't a reason to think that. It's like saying, "I wonder if Jack's hair is actually velcro, and not actually hair". Sure, it might turn out to be velcro, but let's not bother bringing it up until we have a reason to even think it.

I think sometimes people forget the majority of the audience are regular viewers who probably don't kow much (or care much) about the properties of helicopters (how far can they travel, do they have ejection seats, how big a splash would they make, etc.)

I think it was very straight forward and done for the average viewer:


Losties hear sounds of helicopter blades
They are all happy because they think they are getting rescued
Helicopter sounds slow down, there seems to be trouble; Hurley asks if a helicopter is supposed to sound that way
Splash far away in the ocean, Desmond looks heartbroken (thinks his vision was wrong).The obvious intention here was that a helicopter came, got in trouble and crashed in the ocean. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, you know?

Absolutely! You said exactly what I was thinking.

5. My first thought was not oxygen mask, but communications mask. So she could talk to others in the helicopter (if there were any) or talk to base.

Problem solved.....

I think that the rotating blades where not from a helicopter, but from the sub which locke is struggling to control, the splash wasn't anything falling into water, but locke firing the women at desmond from just of the coast of the island from the sub like a torpeedo, locke unfortunately got his coordinates wrong, launching the women approx. 2 miles off target and into the forrest.

does anyone agree...because locke never liked desmond