kate is such a girl.

I would never call Kate a girly girl

What does that mean? Such a girl? You are looking for a fight buddy! :p How many girls have you been with who've cried during sex..? Annyyyyhoww, it would be a downer I imagine.. how awkward!

so, kate has sex w/sawyer because even though she has feelings for both jack and sawyer, her true love is jack, and (a) she is upset that jack is hangin w/juliette, or (b) she is upset at the lack of effort on jacks part to fight for her attention?

I think she still has feelings for Jack, not in love with, but saw him with Juliet and became jealous. So used Sawyer to make herself feel better for the night, and maybe even get Jack a little bothered. Even Sawyer could see through her game.

I think it may have been the combination of him being with Juliet and also Jack's lack of effort...she was definately giving it her all, but Jack wasn't responding the way she wanted him to. He was being nice and smiling and all, but he seemed different. I think she saw that she doesn't have the same effect on him anymore, and it bothered her. Edit: She wouldn't have cried over that if she wasn't in love with him.

Um...she was crying BEFORE sex...not during....that's two different things altogether.

Kate probably realizes Jack is the better catch...but...being Kate...she runs from what would actually be "good" for her. So, she settles for Sawyer. Bottom line is...Kates a tough cookie with abandonment issues...(her REAL Dad...her backstabbing Mom).

Kate's still just torn...and her tears were brought on by seeing Jack & Juliette getting chummy under the tarp. So she threw herself at Sawyer to feel wanted. That's all.

Kate should decide on who to be with by now. *shakes head* I thought for sure she decided to be with Sawyer. He's been changing for her.. you can tell. Doesn't Sawyer love Kate more than Jack? I don't even think Jack even loves her anymore.

I know he was really hurt by Kate sleeping with Sawyer, but sometimes feelings change when you've been badly hurt by them. You don't want to deal with the pain anymore. I think Jack is learning to finally let go of those things. Knowing he use to have a hard time letting go and moving on.. such as with his past relationships with his ex wife, ex girlfriends, and especially with his father. He's only doing what is right for himself.

Kate has to learn to let go too. Her past.. everything before she even gets involved with a man. She's been hurting both Sawyer and Jack. (For too long now)

Kate should decide on who to be with.. and I thought for sure she decided to be with Sawyer. He's been changing for her.. you can tell.
Is he? Hmm, we shall see. I think if anyone's helping him change it's Hurley! :biggrin:

And yeah, she was crying BEFORE the sex and right after seeing Jack with Juliet - sorry, but that's not her gettin all mushy about Sawyer. So sad, Kate's so messed up in the head! :undecide:

Is he? Hmm, we shall see. I think if anyone's helping him change it's Hurley! :biggrin:

And yeah, she was crying BEFORE the sex and right after seeing Jack with Juliet - sorry, but that's not her gettin all mushy about Sawyer. So sad, Kate's so messed up in the head! :undecide:

Yeah, I agree! Hurley has been stepping up to change Sawyer's attitude. I'm glad he has! :)

I also agree, Kate was crying before the sex too. I remember that scene.

LOL, :D That is so true! Kate's so messed up in the head! (oh, funny you had me laughing there!!) and it is sad..

She's playing the crying game. She won.

Hey, I'm just happy they did it again I got to see Josh's abs. ;)

Kate was obviously crying because of the excitment that she would sleep
with the love of her life again! :eek2:

Obviously she was not crying for Jack,because she saw him replacing her with juliet,or because she loves him and it kills her to know that she has lost him or stuff like that.nu hu! :67hissy: lol

Poor girl.I felt for her tonight.she thinks she's lost Jack.They pointed out that she was crying to show how much that little Jacket dinner hit her....
Kate will try to make it work with Sawyer but guess what? you can't help who you love. ;) The tension between J&K will blow up at some point. can't wait

Kate was obviously crying because of the excitment that she would sleep
with the love of her life again! :eek2:

Obviously she was not crying for Jack,because she saw him replacing her with juliet,or because she loves him and it kills her to know that she has lost him or stuff like that.nu hu! :67hissy: lol

Poor girl.I felt for her tonight.she thinks she's lost Jack.They pointed out that she was crying to show how much that little Jacket dinner hit her....
Kate will try to make it work with Sawyer but guess what? you can't help who you love. ;) The tension between J&K will blow up at some point. can't wait

i LOVE your sarcasm!!! :biggrin: thank you for making me laugh out loud...and I can't wait either!!!!

I think Kate's just confused. She likes both of them, but she does not know who she LOVE. She had sex with Sawyer, but in extreme conditions, and now she see Jack with Juliet (Juliet! Juliet is one of the OTHERS!), and it's obvious, she's jealous! So she goes to sawyer, she want some kind of confort, and... so it is. In my opinion the creators made a big mistake with her, they're completely changing her character, and that's not... good. IIf they want Kate/Jack ship, they should not have done "I do" episode, because that was strong, and in their actions there was true love. That's what I think. Sorry for my English, I'm italian and not very good in written conversations. :)

Um...she was crying BEFORE sex...not during....that's two different things altogether.



I was going to make that exact same point!

And personally, I don't see this scene as much different them the one were Kate kissed Jack because she was afraid that Sawyer might die in WKD. When Kate gets emotional, she throws herself at the men. The big differenc is that because she and Sawyer have already slept together, she felt she could go that far again. She is apparently one of those girls who uses sex as a way to be held and comforted. And she knew without a doubt that Sawyer would be up for it.

I was half expecting to have them show us Jack and Juliet having a nice quiet dinner, and then suddenly being interrupted by Kate's cries of passion coming from Sawyer's tent. I think a big reason Kate went to Sawyer was maybe as an instinctual reaction to try to get Jack all jealous seeing her with another man...

Sawyer deserves better than Kate, and Kate deserves better than Sawyer. But they'll probably end up with each other because "Birds of a kind flock together..."

Jack NEVER falls out of love - that's one of his problems, per Christian, is that he doesn't know how to let go. Jack had no idea they were in that tent together. Kate didn't do it to make Jack jealous, she did it to get comfort. Although, Jack might throw open the tent in the morning to yell at Sawyer about something and see them all nakey and such.

Personally, it was a little too Grey's Anatomy for my taste - although I have faith there will be a purpose for it.

Sawyer needs to smarten up and not be giving so easily to Kate, for she will only return to her old habits. If he truly wants to help her, he wouldn't be throwing himself at her like a horny 18 yr old. Hey baby, how about some afternoon delight, you sure do look purty in them tight clothes gyah hyuck! *eye roll* If he knows that Kate is only using him, why does he allow it to happen? Because Sawyer is weak and "has needs". I guess if you're hot, sex comes easy.

Someone I was watching this ep with said, "She's telling Sawyer to shut up, so she can fantasize that she's with Jack."

Makes sense...

Someone I was watching this ep with said, "She's telling Sawyer to shut up, so she can fantasize that she's with Jack."

Makes sense...


Of course as soon as she says that she starts kissing Sawyers chest. Sorry, but there is no way anyone could kiss Sawyer's chest and imagine that it belongs to Jack. The physical differences between the two men on that front are far too different. It would be like drinking hot chocolate and trying to fantasize that you are having a milkshake intstead. Not going to happen.

I do think that she was trying to use Sawyer as a distraction though. It is hard to focus on your hurt feelings while enjoying immense physical pleasure.

It's her party and she'll cry if she wants to...
cry if she wants to...
cry if she wants to...
You would cry to if it happened to you....

I would hope Kate was a girl, otherwise she's got some 'splainin' to do!

That's all they really want
Some fun
When the working day is done
Girls - they want to have fun
Oh girls just want to have fun,
They want to have fun,
They want to have fun....

I can honestly see Kate turning to Charlie for a fix... of heroin that is :cool:
ok maybe not, but at least it would be safer than the consequences of unprotected sex (on the island).

I was half expecting to have them show us Jack and Juliet having a nice quiet dinner, and then suddenly being interrupted by Kate's cries of passion coming from Sawyer's tent. I think a big reason Kate went to Sawyer was maybe as an instinctual reaction to try to get Jack all jealous seeing her with another man...


LOL Me TOO!!! But did Jack know Kate was doing that? I don't think so, it makes me think that Kate was jumping Sawyer to make herself feel better after Jack's rejection.

Sawyer changing? I dunno, he might be more open but he still has to work on how to woo Kate to bed methinks! "How about a little afternoon delight?" I think Kate wants the roses, dinner and a movie first!

Yes i hear the Smoke Monster is playing at the Jungle drive-in right after a Jin fish on the rocks dinner.

I guess if you're hot, sex comes easy.

I can confirm that 100% ! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

I can confirm that 100% ! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:

hahah
don't hate the player, hate the game
100%
works more for girls, given the fact that men quite regularly "want it"

Of course as soon as she says that she starts kissing Sawyers chest. Sorry, but there is no way anyone could kiss Sawyer's chest and imagine that it belongs to Jack. The physical differences between the two men on that front are far too different. It would be like drinking hot chocolate and trying to fantasize that you are having a milkshake intstead. Not going to happen.

I do think that she was trying to use Sawyer as a distraction though. It is hard to focus on your hurt feelings while enjoying immense physical pleasure.

Hi, Lostinthesoutheast - I guess it just depends on the degree of one's imagination... :rolleyes:

Uhhhh, boys, for the record-

If we're crying, you're probably doing something wrong!!

hah silly. My husband cries after sex.

"girl" is definitely not the term I think of when I think of Kate. Girl is a LOT nicer than what I have in mind.

hah silly. My husband cries after sex.

I ........ think you've told us a bit too much.

Anyhoo, Maybe Kate was crying because of who she was about
to do "the monkey dance" with. It would be like a "I-can't-believe-
I'm-about-to-do-this" kind of cry. Or a "I-am-about-to-lower-my-standards-
again-but-what-the-heck" kind of cry. Or a "I-am-so-pathetic" kind of cry.

That last one makes more sense - a pathetic monkey dance cry. I'll stick with that one.

i think that seeing jack with jules just made kate feel terribly alone and rejected. so she turns to the man who wants her. kate's tired of being lonely.
100%

That last one makes more sense - a pathetic monkey dance cry. I'll stick with that one.
While I like this idea :cool: I think she's crying because she's a baby, as in immature. Then again, I'm on a bit of an anti-Kate kick right now. She's just gotten so tiresome.
I have two teenagers who approach relationships with more thought and maturity than she does; however, in her defense, to my knowledge neither of them has been attacked by a smoke monster or kept in a polar bear cage.

dah DAH dah DAH this is the sound of settling

Dhalia - your avitar freaks me out - Way COOL :)


Anyway -
what if Kate was crying because she truly loves Sawyer and after seeing Jack and Juliet together it made her long for Sawyer and an open relationship like what she sees with Jack and Juliet - they appear to be close and friendly - she cried because she wants that with Sawyer - and it is difficult for her to admit to those feelings -
Just a thought!

Okay, being that I am an official card-carrying member of the Fuselage Elders Council (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71304), and because I'm an old geezer and can't help but blather on about stuff, I just have to say that in my years of experience having been married more than once, and been domestically involved with a combined total of ... well, a gentleman doesn't give out numbers in these matters ... let's just say a fair number of women - that after all that experience, I have to honestly say that there has not been one woman I have ever known intimately who has never cried during sex. Of course, what that might actually mean is that they cried while having sex with me, and now I'm going to shut up and go stick my head in the oven... :drowsy:

LOL!! Okay, that actually was pretty good! :)

Okay, being that I am an official card-carrying member of the Fuselage Elders Council (http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=71304), and because I'm an old geezer and can't help but blather on about stuff, I just have to say that in my years of experience having been married more than once, and been domestically involved with a combined total of ... well, a gentleman doesn't give out numbers in these matters ... let's just say a fair number of women - that after all that experience, I have to honestly say that there has not been one woman I have ever known intimately who has never cried during sex. Of course, what that might actually mean is that they cried while having sex with me, and now I'm going to shut up and go stick my head in the oven... :drowsy:

ROTFL!!! TOO FUNNY!
Do you have proof ;)

ROTFL!!! TOO FUNNY!
Do you have proof ;)

Proof of what? That I'm gonna stick my head in the oven? Or that I'm a card carrying member of the Elders Council? ;)

Proof of what? That I'm gonna stick my head in the oven? Or that I'm a card carrying member of the Elders Council? ;)

HUM -


Or that no one has cried:hypocrit:

HUM -


Or that no one has cried:hypocrit:


I knew what you were asking for. ;)

my god...kate is a girl????
holy crap...

I knew what you were asking for. ;)

Sorry I couldn't resist -
Although I did check out the over 35 thread - I unfortunately cannot admit that I have aged past 25 so I can never join the that thread!

You will have to send a link if there is ever a had someone cry during sex thread though :biggrin:

so, kate has sex w/sawyer because even though she has feelings for both jack and sawyer, her true love is jack, and (a) she is upset that jack is hangin w/juliette, or (b) she is upset at the lack of effort on jacks part to fight for her attention?

Yeah that, and I think the Others set Kate and Sawyer up to have sex so that she would get prgenant. We already know that their sperm count is waaay higher on the island.
~laura

With all the emotions of Kate - Sawyer - Jack I don't think the Others had to "set" up anything ;)

There is so much potential energy between Kate and Sawyer, all the Others needed to do was put them in a situation where their emotions could run wild. Knowing what we do now, it can easily be assumed that Kate and Sawyer were put together for further research into fertility issues on the island. Test Subjects - No More. Ben knows too much about them to just let it happen by chance. Plus, when he asks Kate why she said Sawyer before Jack, it's because he knows Sawyer is more Kate's style and wouldn't put up much of a challenge in the romance department. Kate like Eko, has been given a life of hard decisions, although she may not of made the right ones, she can justify everyone of them. Tortured soul or self-destructive sociopath?