When Kate tells Sawyer that Jack saw the cage romp on the monitors, Sawyer said "You said the camera was broken" and Kate replies "They must have had another one."

As far as the audience knew, I believe, it was only ever implied that Sawyer knew about the cameras because of his conversation with Ben in Ep. 4 "We're watching you.". As far as we knew, Kate didn't know about the cameras at all.

So how come she appeared to have known about them all along? I know we've been throwing theories around since "I Do" about Kate being forced by Ben to behave in certain ways in order to save Sawyer's/Jack's lives. Is this more evidence?

Or is it just a mistake by the writers?

Or am I wrong?

Yeah, I noticed that too and was wondering if I had missed something because Kate didn't know about the cameras, unless of course while they had her in the Hydra they told her about the cameras right before they sent her out to break Jack's heart. ;)

Yeah, I noticed that too and was wondering if I had missed something because Kate didn't know about the cameras, unless of course while they had her in the Hydra they told her about the cameras right before they sent her out to break Jack's heart. ;)

exactly ----> one more con by the Others/Hostiles to screw with the Losties!

Yeah, I noticed that too and was wondering if I had missed something because Kate didn't know about the cameras, unless of course while they had her in the Hydra they told her about the cameras right before they sent her out to break Jack's heart. ;)

Then why would Juliette have to tell her that they have cameras on the cages?

Then why would Juliette have to tell her that they have cameras on the cages?

Exactly. Did Kate know about the cameras or not?

Julliette told her about the camera ... no one seems to argue that point.

Could she have seen the camera monitoring station when she visited Jack in the glass cage? From what I remember it wasn't to far from where Jack was. :undecide:

Maybe the point of my questions in the OP isn't clear.

At the time of "I Do", it appeared that Kate knew nothing about any cameras (just from what we were shown). In her conversation with Juliet (when Juliet told her that she'd been taped with Sawyer), Kate still appeared until that point not to have known there were cameras. Yet, in her conversation with Sawyer, he is SURPRISED they were taped because Kate had told him the camera was broken. Kate knew there was a camera there all along - when she had sex with Sawyer, she knew they were being taped. But she's pretending she didn't know. That's what I think.

My bet is that Kate knew, otherwise she couldn't have told Sawyer the camera was broken at that time, so it was part of a plan Ben told her about when they were having breakfast at the beach, it's part of the 'unpleasant 2 weeks' as he put it. There was definately something wrong with Kate when she was brought back to the cage.

But that also means that Juliet does not know that Kate is already in this, why would she tell Kate again about the camera if she knew that Ben already did?

My bet is that Kate knew, otherwise she couldn't have told Sawyer the camera was broken at that time, so it was part of a plan Ben told her about when they were having breakfast at the beach, it's part of the 'unpleasant 2 weeks' as he put it. There was definately something wrong with Kate when she was brought back to the cage.

But that also means that Juliet does not know that Kate is already in this, why would she tell Kate again about the camera if she knew that Ben already did?

Well, TPTB have said there was nothing extra to the Breakfast with Ben scene and that the reason Kate's wrists are red and raw is because there was a cut scene where she was taken back to the showers and she struggled to take the cuffs off. I don't know if I believe it anymore. It makes no sense that she was taken back to the showers - she'd just left there to go meet Ben. It just seems like there's a lot of weird stuff with Kate lately and it gets chalked up to off-camera scenes or discussions.

Maybe I just pay too much attention. It's just weird that cameras were never mentioned while Sawyer and Kate were on Alcatraz but suddenly they both knew about them and had sex in front of them anyway but, don't worry, they "thought" the cameras were broken so it really wasn't as risque as it sounds.

I don't know.

Didn't Alex shoot out a camera with the slingshot? When was that? Wouldn't this explain why Kate thought the camera was out?

Didn't Alex shoot out a camera with the slingshot? When was that? Wouldn't this explain why Kate thought the camera was out?

No, she shot at the people that were around Kate and Sawyer when they were digging in the field. Around episode 3 or 4, I think. And Alex did break the camera but it wasn't until Jack was in that cage (after Kate and Sawyer had already left) in Episode 9.

When Kate tells Sawyer that Jack saw the cage romp on the monitors, Sawyer said "You said the camera was broken" and Kate replies "They must have had another one."

I'll have to watch this part again when I get home, but Sawyer's first line was a little garbled. I don't think he said "You said the camera was broken", but I still didn't get the first word he said. Can anyone check to confirm he actually said "You..." ?

I'm pretty sure that's what he said. I think the writers put that line in simply because some fans post I Do were going on about how could Sawyer let them have sex if he knew that the cameras were monitoring the cages. How perverted!

They cleared this up in this episode by asserting that both Kate and Sawyer had discussed it off screen and decided they weren't working. The writers have done this before, added a line of dialogue in a later episode to help clarify things. An example that comes to mind for me, but I am sure there are more is when they re-edited in Jack's "Take the walkie and Sawyer and run" line to Kate in Not in Portland to show he was trying to save them both, not just Kate. Why? Because they'd deliberately cut it out in I Do, and then were inundated with fans asking if Jack had only tried to save Kate over the hiatus. Another more subtle example is the talk in the poker game about what Amoxycillin was and how Sawyer knew because it cleared up the STD Jack tricked him into admitting he'd had in season one.

Didn't Alex shoot out a camera with the slingshot? When was that? Wouldn't this explain why Kate thought the camera was out?


I thought this was what happened too...and that then she saw jack, then had her little cage romp with sawyer. I could be wrong, I'll have to go back and look....

I'm pretty sure that's what he said. I think the writers put that line in simply because some fans post I Do were going on about how could Sawyer let them have sex if he knew that the cameras were monitoring the cages. How perverted!

They cleared this up in this episode by asserting that both Kate and Sawyer had discussed it off screen and decided they weren't working. The writers have done this before, added a line of dialogue in a later episode to help clarify things.

I agree.

Maybe the point of my questions in the OP isn't clear.

At the time of "I Do", it appeared that Kate knew nothing about any cameras (just from what we were shown). In her conversation with Juliet (when Juliet told her that she'd been taped with Sawyer), Kate still appeared until that point not to have known there were cameras. Yet, in her conversation with Sawyer, he is SURPRISED they were taped because Kate had told him the camera was broken. Kate knew there was a camera there all along - when she had sex with Sawyer, she knew they were being taped. But she's pretending she didn't know. That's what I think.

I agree.

Before it all, only Sawyer was told that there was a camera ( Did Karl tell him that? Before Ben?)


3x06 I DO :
- Kate didnt know about the camera.
- ( MAYBE here Juliet told her about the camera, however doesnt seem likely. )
- Taken to see Jack in the Glass cage, which both know were being watched.
- Kate back at the cage, doesnt see Sawyer thinks thy killed him but he is back.
- They get it on. And Big Brother Ben watches.


Left Behind :

- Juliet tell her about the cameras and Jack being hurt by what he saw.
- She was shocked and her eyes were teary. ( But maybe cause of the fact the Breakfast Plan of Ben worked. )


Arrrrrghhh My head is all messy now, but Sawyer knew about the cameras all along and I think this is a little mess up of screenwritters ( which doesnt seem possible )

I agree.

Before it all, only Sawyer was told that there was a camera ( Did Karl tell him that? Before Ben?)



For the record, Sawyer was never told there was a camera. He was told, "We're watching you."

The first time Kate got out of her cage and came over to his, he was looking around frantically, obviously expecting guards to show up. Nobody did. When she got out of her cage a second time and broke the lock on his, again no guards came. With that in mind, why would either of them assume they were on 24-hour a day camera surveillance?

There might have been an exchange between about the cameras not working which got cut from the final version. However, the fact that no guards came after she got out of her cage twice would have been enough to conclude they weren't being constantly watched IMO.

I think the scene in "Catch 22" was actually thrown in there to refute accusations that Sawyer went ahead with the lovemaking in "I Do" even though he knew they were on camera. There was never any basis for that assumption in the show in the first place.

When Kate tells Sawyer that Jack saw the cage romp on the monitors, Sawyer said "You said the camera was broken" and Kate replies "They must have had another one."

As far as the audience knew, I believe, it was only ever implied that Sawyer knew about the cameras because of his conversation with Ben in Ep. 4 "We're watching you.". As far as we knew, Kate didn't know about the cameras at all.

So how come she appeared to have known about them all along? I know we've been throwing theories around since "I Do" about Kate being forced by Ben to behave in certain ways in order to save Sawyer's/Jack's lives. Is this more evidence?

Or is it just a mistake by the writers?

Or am I wrong?
It struck me as odd, too, but then again the writers aren't without mistakes. Remember when Kate told one of the Others during their captivity "He (Sawyer) breaks rocks and I haul them", when it was actually the other way around. So it could just be a continuity error.
But I think that on-screen Kate didn't really know about the cameras. Or should I say...shouldn't know? Because I still have slight problems with her first appearance in the cages on the Hydra-station. She was brought there after her breakfast with Ben, and her wrists were totally raw and bloody from the handcuffs. Even worse than after her struggle with the oxygen-mask and cuffs in the pilot episode.
I'm still wondering where she got those wounds and bruises from, certainly not from a halfway peaceful breakfast with Ben. I still think that something else has been going on there, that something has been done to Kate or that she was involved in something fishy. Something definitely happened there, so maybe that's the answer to the question why Kate knew about the cameras.

When Kate tells Sawyer that Jack saw the cage romp on the monitors, Sawyer said "You said the camera was broken" and Kate replies "They must have had another one."

As far as the audience knew, I believe, it was only ever implied that Sawyer knew about the cameras because of his conversation with Ben in Ep. 4 "We're watching you.". As far as we knew, Kate didn't know about the cameras at all.

So how come she appeared to have known about them all along? I know we've been throwing theories around since "I Do" about Kate being forced by Ben to behave in certain ways in order to save Sawyer's/Jack's lives. Is this more evidence?

Or is it just a mistake by the writers?

Or am I wrong?

Juliette tells Kate that Jack saw her on the camera. So then Kate knows it because Juliette told her. Maybe I've missed something, I didn't think there was a mystery here. Is there confusion because Kate had previously told Sawyer that the camera was broken? She could have just lied to him about that if Sawyer was worried about it. When is it that Kate is meant to have told him that, is it something we've seen or something which has happened off-camera? I was thinking it was happening at the time in the sex moment, and Sawyer might have said something like 'uhhh but there are cameras' and Kate wanted to do him, so she just said 'nah they're broken'