Sure it sounded similar, but we dont know if what was flying overhead was indeed a helicopter. I guess it could be anything, but a helicopter would indicate a base nearby, or an aircraft carrier, something to support it because dont helicopter tend to be short to sometimes medium range aircraft?

Helicopters could not fly from the south pole listening station to the island. Helicopters could fly from something to the island, such as a ship.

Also it’s exceedingly hard for the pilot to bail out of a copter because of the rotor blades. For instance, when you bail out of a plane, you are ejected up and back and the plane moves forward, so you’re out of the way. When you jump from a helicopter the rotors are everywhere- you cannot go up at all and it’s hard to clear the falling craft. However, it is also very possible that the writers didn’t think about that.

Hmmm, but a lapse that big doesnt seem to fit with the style of the writers. I mean, they know every little detail is going to be broken down, so I would hope that didnt happen. To elaborate on your point Don, the mask and headgear she was wearing seemed to resemble something from a fighter jet or something like that.

Yeah, thats what I thought the 'rescuer' came falling from.. a fighter jet. The helmet and mask reminded me of the gear they would use.

It was very Top Gun-ish, at least the way those crazy Russian Migs did.

Just my two cents here but why assume that the parachutist came from the helicopter (if it turns out to be a helicopter)? As somebody on the show pointed out – parachuting from a helicopter isn’t normally done. That’s not to say that it can’t be done. But the parachutist was rigged for a high-altitude drop which doesn't add up with the idea that she came from the helicopter.

It seems to me (and I am no expert) that she just might have jumped from a plane which was at a very high altitude – maybe to get around what ever is shielding the island. The helicopter could have been trying to intercept either the parachutist, maybe the plane, a boat, or something else. Since the girl lived after the jump, we’ll find out what happened soon enough (oh wait, this is Lost! LOL), or maybe next year.

Well if it was a privately funded craft from a company with unlimited financial resources anything is possible. There are military helicopters capable of ejecting the pilot. As usual we're left with more questions than answers. I was so mad we didn't get to look at the craft that crashed!

yeh that didnt seem to be something as simple as a civilian bailing from a ruined aircraft. She was suited to the nines.

Interesting point about the helicopter/not helicopter. It never occured to me to take much notice as to how dangerous it would be to parachute from one. Still, unless one of the writers is very well versed in aviation, it might not have occured to them either. I still accept that it was a chopper. I mean it might be more dangerous than jumping from a plane but I bet it is still possible. Additionally she did seem injured to some degree...

Hubby says they would wear that kind of mask on a military chopper maybe. I think the point is that is was a helicopter which means there is something fairly close. The parachuter obviously had Desmond's photo so she would know who he was so I'm guessing it's the researchers from the end of Season 1 and they are finally getting close.

i would imagine being a little jacked up after a fall like that and someone found me just hanging in the trees.

It looked like a HALO jumper would wear, HALO satnding for High Altitude Low Orbit, jump. That is why the helmet and mask are required.

Who said she was "ejected", why couldn't she just open the door and fall out? Coast Guard divers jump out of helicopters all the time. And yes I realize that the CG does not jump from high altitudes.

http://www.faa.gov (http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/designee_types/ame/media/Section%20II.4.2%20Helicopter%20Operations.doc)
The highest helicopter hovering capability, under the most unusual circumstances, has been at altitudes of approximately 15,000 to 18,000 feet. Translational flight, or normal forward flight without hovering, is limited to about 30,000 feet

I saw a video of a military helicopter's ejection once and it was similar to a plane's except the rotor blades came off just before the pilot was launched. However in the episode the monster/helicopter noise continues all the way to splashdown...

Also, what if the cable is not there to carry signals but to pull something in?

Strangely, in Desmond's flash, he sees Hurley turn and tug the cable up towards him from the ocean, but Hurley never does it in real time. I'm guessing it's just something that got cut out from the episode, but I wish for once the Losties would wonder what the cable is leading to in the water.

Of course it is meant to be a helicopter. What they heck else would it be? Does every little detail have to mean something? How many times have we nitpicked over crap like this that NEVER pans out to mean anything. It has lost it's fun. There were no monster noises. There was no ejections. There was a failing helicopter. That is it.

Of course it is meant to be a helicopter. What they heck else would it be? Does every little detail have to mean something? How many times have we nitpicked over crap like this that NEVER pans out to mean anything. It has lost it's fun. There were no monster noises. There was no ejections. There was a failing helicopter. That is it.

Dude. I'm having fun nitpicking over crap like this :p

Just sayin'..

Strangely, in Desmond's flash, he sees Hurley turn and tug the cable up towards him from the ocean, but Hurley never does it in real time. I'm guessing it's just something that got cut out from the episode, but I wish for once the Losties would wonder what the cable is leading to in the water.

I believe the flash of Hurley pulling on the cable, was from the first season. That's how he knew to ask Hurley how to find it.

I also agree with the other posters, according to the helicopter. The flight suit and mask is normal gear for fast, turbo propped helicopters. Also I would theorize that she wasn't the pilot, she elected to jump out when the Helicopter experienced problems. Just like Navy jumpers and Coastguard rescue people, are trained to do.

The Apache gunship and other such copters require high-altitude gear because of the thin and cold atmospheric conditions at 30,000 plus. The Bell helicopter used on Airwolf has jet engines to assist it with even higher altitude requirements. In some cases the rotors are not ejected because the cockpit itself is, or they drop out through chutes in the bottom. A French helicopter was able to fly upside down without jet assistance. Rotors trying to sustain flight upside down would meet the same problems as trying to fly in excess of 25-30,000 feet, so since this challenge has been met, jet engines would only be a fortuitous addition for extra performance.


And I wouldn't doubt that there's a search vessel out there somewhere, because a helicopter would be best for a thorough scouting out of the island's close up geographic details and other noteworthy happenings and locations.


ETA speaking of sacrifices, I agree with Coop~ that its possible, even likely, that perhaps the pilot told her to jump so that they didn't both have to die, although he may have had a thought that he could pull his own fat out of the fire at the last minute...

My friend insists that he also heard a jet behind the helicoptor sounds. I didn't hear it, but he's really insistent. Maybe we should add this scene to the hidden audio thread?

OK the pathetic little splash of whatever out in the ocean was not convincing me of anything larger than some sort of jet pack.

I think the propeller sounds were from some sort of super mario brothers III style AIRSHIP FROM THE FUTURE

@$%$#^&!!!!!

:eek2:

OK the pathetic little splash of whatever out in the ocean was not convincing me of anything larger than some sort of jet pack.

I think the propeller sounds were from some sort of super mario brothers III style AIRSHIP FROM THE FUTURE

@$%$#^&!!!!!

:eek2:

However, it is also very possible that the writers didn’t think about that.

No, I'm pretty sure they thought about it.

Have people considered, they you jump out of a helicopter, and you travel to the ground. A few seconds is all it really takes to put a huge distance between you and a helicopter.
Its done in the Navy all the time.
This is a silly topic.

Of course it is meant to be a helicopter. What they heck else would it be? Does every little detail have to mean something? How many times have we nitpicked over crap like this that NEVER pans out to mean anything. It has lost it's fun. There were no monster noises. There was no ejections. There was a failing helicopter. That is it.

This board is about people doing exactly what they are doing...talking about issues and events in the show. If you don't want to involve yourself in this type of discourse...feel free to skip right by the thread in question.

This board is about people doing exactly what they are doing...talking about issues and events in the show. If you don't want to involve yourself in this type of discourse...feel free to skip right by the thread in question.

I think he, and others have a right to express their disagreement that it was something other than a helicopter. And express they feel other subjects are being to scrutinized.
I know I'm one of them, and I feel many people look far to deep into some topics.

Sure, people have a right to come up with whatever crazy theory they want, but so do others have the right to express their agreement or disagreement with it.
:rolleyes:

It looked like a HALO jumper would wear, HALO satnding for High Altitude Low Orbit, jump. That is why the helmet and mask are required.

High Altitude Low Opening

I think he, and others have a right to express their disagreement that it was something other than a helicopter. And express they feel other subjects are being to scrutinized.
I know I'm one of them, and I feel many people look far to deep into some topics.

Sure, people have a right to come up with whatever crazy theory they want, but so do others have the right to express their agreement or disagreement with it.
:rolleyes:

Well said. However, one can express disagreement(as displayed by you above) without being abrasive.;)

Let me clarify my post...

You can disagree all you want. Discussions from different viewpoints are great and welcomed...

When a poster gets abbrasive and rude and says what other posters are doing is nitpicking crap...then that is not acceptable.

i thaught it might have been penny because at the end of last seson we saw penny and two other guys in a plane

It pretty clearly sounded like a helicopter, and they didn't do anything to suggest that it was anything other than a helicopter. Judging from the head gear, it's reasonable to assume something fancy, such as an Apache. An Apache has ejection capability and can have over 1000 mile range, making the island within range from either Fiji, Tahiti, if not both, and probably within easy range of many of the Cook Islands which lie between them.

I agree it was a helicopter, but I'm still bothered by that little plop in the ocean. Couldn't have been a full-size copter could it? I'm kind of leaning toward a personal flying device or something like that that she wore to jump out of the craft that brought her. Then again, maybe it's just that the crash/explosion budget is being saved for the "cataclysmic finale."

Or...maybe that was part of the helicopter that fell into the ocean, while the other parts are scattered across the island. Perhaps another survivor landed elsewhere on the island?

I don't think it was a helicopter. What Hurley said........Is a helicopter supposed to sound like that? Also the parachutist was wearing a mask and outfit that someone in a fighter jet would wear. I think a helicopters range in how high it can go is limited. Obvious the parachutist was pretty darn high up in the atmosphere to be wearing that.

Ah, but it didn't look like she was wearing the Pressure Suit a jet fighter pilot would wear to fight the high G's either! I am intrigued, but lately it does seem like the most obvious explanations are what's going on. I felt cheated not seeing what she was flying in, and I couldn't tell how far away the splash was so I didn't get a sense of the scale of the object dropping in the water.

It seemed to me that there wasn't much time between when the engine started choking up and when we hear the splash - And, another type of craft would have been much louder.
I'm leaning towards helicopter!

Also it’s exceedingly hard for the pilot to bail out of a copter because of the rotor blades. For instance, when you bail out of a plane, you are ejected up and back and the plane moves forward, so you’re out of the way. When you jump from a helicopter the rotors are everywhere- you cannot go up at all and it’s hard to clear the falling craft. However, it is also very possible that the writers didn’t think about that.


Not true: practically all helicopters have the ability to "autorotate" which basically means using the unpowered rotor blades as a kind of parachute, allowing the copter to gradually descend to earth at about 30 km/h. A person jumping out of the copter, on the other hand, would fall much faster and be able to quickly glide away from the rotors using common sky-diving techniques. See http://www.extremesportscafe.com/skydiving_heli.html

Military personnel practise this a lot.

Is a helicopter supposed to sound like that?

I think that was said because the rotor sound got inconsistent and finally died. A proper heli would have been strong and constant. Not puttering and weak.

Hey guys!

I started a thread that's an offshoot of this subject here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76927


The short version of that thread is, I think our parachutist arrived on a vehicle you can see by going to my thread's first post. It fits perfectly last nights situation of the parachutists arrival.

After reading this and other helicopter threads, something very simple struck me. Usually in our 3 years toiling with LOST, the simplest answer is correct. Now... why don't TPTB show us a helicopter entering the airspace? Why don't we see a helicopter having mechanical problems? Why don't we see a helicopter crash just off the coast in CLEAR view of our heroes AND the viewing audience. Why... because there was no helicopter. It's like a million other threads we've all read and started trying to see what isn't really there. And then later finding out we were over guessing things.

At this point we are given less evidence of a helicopter than some other mode of transportation/insertion into the island's airspace. Until we see a helicopter in a future flashback, I'm putting my money on no helicopter.

Why don't we see a helicopter having mechanical problems? Why don't we see a helicopter crash just off the coast in CLEAR view of our heroes AND the viewing audience. Why... because there was no helicopter.Budget and time constraints.

The ESG Gryphon is aimed at the military market, where upon parachutists can be dropped up-to 40 kilometres away from the landing pad and then glide their silently and near invisible to any radar cover.This was not at all "silent" nor does your vehicle have rotating blades as we "hear" on the show.

This was a fast, cheap, and effective way to "show" us a helicopter without showing us a helicopter. Until proven otherwise.

Also, you have to consider the fact that maybe the only reason she was wearing a full helmet was to conceal her identity from viewers. I know some helicopter pilots wear them, but only at high atltitudes. I think the helmet and face mask were more of a plot device than a hint to the type of vehicle.

The Grython is the way to go - here are some pics - check out the jumper's outfit and look how close it is to the Lost version.
http://www.technochitlins.com/archives/gryphon.jpg
http://img.timeinc.net/popsci/flat/bown/2006/images/sps/products/product_63.jpg

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/22/22890/22890_3.jpg

http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/22/22890/22890_2.jpg

As for the sound - this doesn't explain it :hypocrit: but then explain to me why Walt talked backwards, the sky turned purple and why is there only 4 toes on the statue! :p

Maybe it wasn't a helicopter, maybe it was a jet and our new "guest" is a pilot taking Penny Widmore on a fly-over when ol' smokey got territorial. Cuz to me it sure didn't sound like a chopper right before the splash. Maybe, Des shook the box when he saved Charlie and now instead of getting Penny, Des gets the pilot, that's why she has such limited rations you can't carry much on a fighter jet.

What's still puzzling me is that we NEVER actually see a helicopter. I wonder why...Why did TPTB decide not to show the helicopter at all? And if it wasn't one, why did it sound like a helicopter? And if it was another similar air vehicle, again, why not show it to us?
Is the key to this whole mystery the mask and the suit that the parachuter was wearing?

While most helicopters, like the commercial Bell 412 and the military AH-1Z have a limited range of between 176 and 300 kilometers, and a service ceiling of roughly something over 20,000 ft, high enough to require oxygen equipment, there have been two pilots, one who broke the world record for circling the globe in a helicopter, that have been trying to reach the North Pole using a modified? Bell 407. They crashed in their first attempt, but appear to be succeeding this time. This was from an article reprinted on the home page of the Bell Helicopters website.

Hey guys!

I started a thread that's an offshoot of this subject here:

http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76927


The short version of that thread is, I think our parachutist arrived on a vehicle you can see by going to my thread's first post. It fits perfectly last nights situation of the parachutists arrival.

After reading this and other helicopter threads, something very simple struck me. Usually in our 3 years toiling with LOST, the simplest answer is correct. Now... why don't TPTB show us a helicopter entering the airspace? Why don't we see a helicopter having mechanical problems? Why don't we see a helicopter crash just off the coast in CLEAR view of our heroes AND the viewing audience. Why... because there was no helicopter. It's like a million other threads we've all read and started trying to see what isn't really there. And then later finding out we were over guessing things.

At this point we are given less evidence of a helicopter than some other mode of transportation/insertion into the island's airspace. Until we see a helicopter in a future flashback, I'm putting my money on no helicopter.
I don't know... There's definetely something fishy about the chopper. But let's not forget that we had to wait 3 years to actually see the Flight 815 plane crashing...

The Gryphon para?glider is interesting, but I don't think it would be used in an emergency situation, more like strategic or combat deployment. The splash seemed believable enough for the distance out over the water from the shore where they stood. It did appear to have a blinking red running light before it crashed. Although that was only an indicator of where, maybe not what, it was. It sounded to me like it was meant to come across as normal helicopter noises suddenly going wrong, faltering and then overshooting an emergency landing on the beach to go into the drink instead.

Naomi needed this gear in order to enter The Island's artificial atmosphere.

Now that's an interesting take. Almost Dark City-esque. *she nods off into unconciousness, and we hear a voice whisper from the jungle "Sleep Now."*

(this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep) needed this gear in order to enter The Island's artificial atmosphere.
Why would the island's atmosphere be artificial? And why don't the losties need any special gear to breath in this 'artificial' atmosphere?

It sounded like a heli for 10 seconds, but I'm not convinced either. The low engine noises sounded like straining... almost as if it was caught in something, or being held back. Then, nothing. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off from where the sound was heard, something hits the water...

The gear suggests two things.

Either she jumped from a high altitude, or she was in a high flying plane before it crashed*?*.

The other thing which seems highly unlikely is that her suit is just a prop like the early Others put on to fool our Losties.

But...

Why not a high altitude hot-air balloon? We know Widmore industries built one for Henry Gale and it made the trip to the Island. Penny's financing the search team, so why not use daddy's toys? Just a thought.

Hmm, it sounds like something rotating, slowing down, but not exactly like an helicopter IMHO. Of course not to speak from the splash which indicates it must be much smaller, as already said.
The ESG flying wings should not make that rotating noise. So what was it? I don't know.

Could it also have been the helicopter breaking apart in mid-air like the plane did? Thus that plop into the ocean may have been just a part of the helicopter. Now I may be going out on a limb here, but is it normal for planes to literally break perfectly in two pieces like that? I always thought that the most destruction from plane crashes was caused by just that, the crash, or the impact from it hitting the ground. I mean, arent the planes designed to withstand those types of speed and G-forces anyway?

Ornithopter?

Ornithopter?

Come again please?

Come again please?

http://www.ornithopter.ca/index_e.html

A flying machine that has wings that flap like a bird instead of rotating blades. Common scifi type contraption.

Interesting, but Im not so sure. Seems a little unpractical.

Interesting, but Im not so sure. Seems a little unpractical.

Granted. But we've also seen a sonic barrier that causes a brain hemorrage, long distance tazers, and a submarine that looks like it came right out of a Jules Verne novel.

Granted. But we've also seen a sonic barrier that causes a brain hemorrage, long distance tazers, and a submarine that looks like it came right out of a Jules Verne novel.

touche. But are we sure that the fence caused a brain hemorrage?

touche. But are we sure that the fence caused a brain hemorrage?

I suppose not, but it did affect Smokie, in a way that does not suggest today's technology, so when I thought of a fantasical flying machine that sounds like a helicotor but is not a helicopter, I thought ornithopter. Though I'm not sure what an ornithopter would sound like.

I say that about the fence because

my brother has unfortunately given me some info I didnt want to know...damn him and his spoilers

I say that about the fence because

my brother has unfortunately given me some info I didnt want to know...damn him and his spoilers

Spoiler fonted my reply even though I don't think I'm giving anything away.

If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, I may be wrong, but I don't think that is confirmed.

probably talking about the same thing, but im glad it hasnt been confirmed yet. i like to be kept in the dark.

Dudes, if Mikhail/Comrade Patchsky survives blood shooting out of his ears to where he foams at the mouth in reaction, I might actually find myself disappointed in the writing of this show for the very first time. And so far I've loved every single episode of this show, from the pilot two-parter, to Catch 22. Coz Desmond was damned if he did save Charlie, and damned if he didn't. Either way he wasn't going to see Penny behind that helmet. The title alone should have been a clue.

I posted this in another thread, but it looked to me like the parachutist was wearing gear like you would see on a HALO jumper (high altitude, low oxygen).

This could be another thought - whatever outside sources that are monitoring the Island could have picked up the parachutist or the craft she jumped from via radar of some sort. They could have dispatched the helicopter (if it was indeed one) to intercept the parachutist, but the Island could have been responsible for causing the copter to crash; while it was at the same time responsible for frying the GPS phone the parachutist had. It didn't look "fried" so to speak, but it was no longer operable; which we would assume it was working before she jumped if she bothered taking it with her.

Ok enough! The helicopter sound was actually a single engine one person transport device. Naomi was wearing black operations gear. The personnel transport is sometimes disposed and the spash is the right size for one of these crafts. The parachute is also the type used in black op's. What I found to be interesting was the use of the rescue flashers activated on such an overt us of a black operation.

Naomi is obiviously part of a larger operation. I predict that there will be an invasion very soon, IMO. THe island was exposed after the event when Desmond turned the failsafe key.

Also the Satphone would have a backup power cell. I spotted on one MRE in the snap pack which suggest an impending operation.

TPTB indicated there was going to be a huge change at the end of this season. Looks to me like some group is about to take over the island.

Since it should be obvious to any sensible person that the sound of helicopter rotors beating the air could not possibly indicate the presence of a helicopter, I will propose this theory;

What we actually experienced was the sound of a helicopter recording played through a portable boombox carried in the beak of a high flying seagull, while the splash was obviously an underwater explosion by enemy frogman meant to fool Desmond and company into believing a phantom rescue chopper had crashed at sea. It was a very clever plan by the Others to fool them into searching for a possible parachute drop. Obviously. The fact they did find a parachutist though, is totally irrelevant and should be excluded from further conversation. The question of why they would want them searching for anything is not to be wondered about. It just was, and I believe the facts prove it.

The only reason I hesitate to agree with those who think the 'copterish' sounds are being over scrutinized and doubted is this:
End of season 2 puts Penny with blatent knowledge of the existance of a place that is being hidden by a magnetic isotope. She has such detailed awareness of it that she knows enough to have someone stationed at an exact location in which, if something goes whacko, the anomoloy can be spotted for a split second, and located.

Going along with everyone, including Des' forecasts, it is assumed that Penny is who sent the parachutess. So, if Penny knows all that she knows just about the island and the lengths at which certain groups of powerfull individuals have gone to hide this place, it would not surprise me at all if:
Penny actually sent a jet at very high altitudes to confirm the location of the island...whether it be by measuring magetism, or by visual of the 'snowglobe'. She might have had a high altitude chopper close by, waiting for confirmation, knowing that a human being would have to be the only thing that would pass safely through the globe. So, then the jumper could have been lowered a bit and then dropped, or it could have been a planned sacrifice of the aircraft. Maybe it was driven by remote.
The very sight of the jumper, combined with my memory of the Portugese speaking Brazilians starts taking me back to my theories of the island actually floating around somewhere near antartica, inside some sort of membrane, with its own atmosphere supplied by a bubble of its own greenhouse effect.

We have recent confirmation via podcast that Penny is who sent the parachutess.

I vote helicopter and not a jet or a personal transport device. I am by no means a aircraft expert but I live in a big city near a airport and also have helicopters and airplanes fly over all the time. I also work at a hospital that has a probably at least 10 or more helicopters land and take off everyday for life flights. Helicopters make a beating sound where jets and planes are more of a constant sound. Watching the scene over again it sounds to me like a helicopter with the engine locking up. There was the beating sound of a helicopter and some screeching sounds. The odd thing is that she seemed to be in a different direction than the splash. This makes me wonder if there was two different groups heading to the island be it they are on the same team (with Penny) or say Pennys group and another group. While I do really like the idea of the wing packs I really do not think she was using something like that and if she was I do not think it was the splash. I think the sat phone was planned to be used to report back but due to the island it does not work. The key thing I think to remember for the Penny stuff is "with enough money and determination you can track anyone down." Penny has the money and in this epi it was shown how much determination she had with the wine case scene and how hard she worked to get to get Des to leave with her.

Ornithopter? The whop whop sound of a helicopter is made by the outer part of the rotor blades breaking the sound barrier. An ornithopter has a different sound than that.

I think the show remark about "Do Helicopters sound like that" had to do with the obvious difficulty the helicopter was encountering. It did not imply something other than a helicopter was being used in my opinion. The small splash could be a combination of distance and the chopper auto rotating in. The lack of seeing a helicopter? As a prior psoter pointed out, cost.

I was just re-watching the epi, and I noticed that right when the "helicopter" sounds become very distinct, there is an almost piercing, grating metal type sound (2 of them, about 1.5 seconds apiece, back to back) right before Hurley says "is a helicopter supposed to sound like that?" This may have been mentioned earlier, but I didnt see it anywhere; only the mention of the rotors slowing down. It sounds almost as if the helicopter rotors were being bent or modified in some way which was what caused it to crash? Smokey at work here?

And what about the rest of the helicopter? There could have been more survivors, that are being washed ashore.

It looked like a HALO jumper would wear, HALO satnding for High Altitude Low Orbit, jump. That is why the helmet and mask are required.

HALO stands for High Altitude, Low Opening... Leap from wayyyy up and don't open the chute until the last minute.

I think the helicopter crashed against the natural EM 'force field' surrounding the island. I said this in a couple of other threads, but I'll say it again, I now believe this shield was OFF pre-swan-implosion, and now it's ON all the time. NOW the island is isolated from the rest of the world.
The screeching sound could come from the helicopter being 'crushed' by this EM force.
Check this site:

http://members.tripod.com/extreme_skier/cancrusher/

I think the helicopter crashed against the natural EM 'force field' surrounding the island. I said this in a couple of other threads, but I'll say it again, I now believe this shield was OFF pre-swan-implosion, and now it's ON all the time. NOW the island is isolated from the rest of the world.
The screeching sound could come from the helicopter being 'crushed' by this EM force.
Check this site:

http://members.tripod.com/extreme_skier/cancrusher/

I have never seen anything like that in my entire life ( and I haven't even lived my entire life yet ) and I don't think I will ever see anything else like that ever again.

And now, I want one.


Anyhoo,back to this thread ... How do we know it's a helicopter?

Well, it so far it only passes 1/3 of the Duck Test.
If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck ... it's a duck.

So far, it sounds like a helicopter. Don't know if it acts like a helicopter
since we didn't see it we can't say that it looks like a helicopter either. So there is a one in three chance it's a helicopter. However, nothing else besides a helicopter sounds like what we heard so my guess based on the sound we heard is: it's a helicopter.

Who said she was "ejected", why couldn't she just open the door and fall out? Coast Guard divers jump out of helicopters all the time. And yes I realize that the CG does not jump from high altitudes.

http://www.faa.gov (http://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/designees_delegations/designee_types/ame/media/Section%20II.4.2%20Helicopter%20Operations.doc)
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I manage people who are aviation scientists, but I am not. so I "sort of" know about this.

The reason I did not accept the "open the door and fall out" concept was because the helicopter was sputtering. when the rotors slow down, all hell sort of breaks loose. for instance, if a one-rotor helicopter loses the tail rotor or stabilizer, the helicopter spins wildly in a circle, disorienting the pilot. If the main rotor goes out, then the copter most likely will dive with the heaviest part of the copter tilting to the ground (think nose-first or side-first).

Neither scenario would allow someone to open the door and jump. Many US Military have died in Iraq and Vietnam from these problems.

I still vote for the writers just not researching the details.

Don

a helicopter near by doesnt mean a base is near, it could also mean a aircraft carrier or any ship with a helipad is within 10s or maybe 100s of miles near. we do know that things flying over or near the island get owned.

I have never seen anything like that in my entire life ( and I haven't even lived my entire life yet ) and I don't think I will ever see anything else like that ever again.

And now, I want one.


Anyhoo,back to this thread ... How do we know it's a helicopter?

Well, it so far it only passes 1/3 of the Duck Test.
If it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck ... it's a duck.

So far, it sounds like a helicopter. Don't know if it acts like a helicopter
since we didn't see it we can't say that it looks like a helicopter either. So there is a one in three chance it's a helicopter. However, nothing else besides a helicopter sounds like what we heard so my guess based on the sound we heard is: it's a helicopter.


i agree with the duck test, but does anybody think that the fact that we DIDNT ACTUALLY SEE the helicopter means anything? or was it simply a choice made by the budget of the show?

You can also hear hydraulics like when a aeroplane is landing and the flaps extend to brake the plane. It makes a ... I don't know how to spell that sound but you can hear it when the sound of the rotors slow down.

Helicopters have some kind of hydraulics, right?

You can also hear hydraulics like when a aeroplane is landing and the flaps extend to brake the plane. It makes a ... I don't know how to spell that sound but you can hear it when the sound of the rotors slow down.

Helicopters have some kind of hydraulics, right?

well, a) there are lots of types of helicopters. but, b) the only moving part beside the blades is the crankshaft itself.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Dictionary/helicopter/DI27.htm

Sorry if this has been said, if so it's Sky's fault for not showing the episode until Sunday ;) What if it was a blimp ? The theory being that metalic structures have difficulty approaching the Island but baloons are mostly fine. The 'copter sound could be propellers as seen here ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Holden_blimp.jpg

What if Smokey was making the "helicopter" sound?