I think the game has certainly changed now.

the producerss have said many times that those who are dead, stay that way. I wonder how he could have survived, with the blood squirting out of his ears and all.

the producerss have said many times that those who are dead, stay that way. I wonder how he could have survived, with the blood squirting out of his ears and all.

Exactly the point of this thread. Man... it's become super mind bender time. :confused:

the producerss have said many times that those who are dead, stay that way. I wonder how he could have survived, with the blood squirting out of his ears and all.

That's a very good question...and I dont have an answer. Someone suggested the Mikael could actually be Smokey...

Maybe that breath we all seen him take after going thru the fence was not a production/acting error?

Maybe that breath we all seen him take after going thru the fence was not a production/acting error?
Its definately possible. Maybe a subtle clue?

Maybe the sonic fence doesnt outright kill people, just severly wounds them, to the point where the islands 'healing powers' could heal him.

This could be the real truth (acting error) but I think he did say "I already died once this week".... darn i need to watch it again. I get so wrapped up the first go thru i miss alot. Thank goodness for HD DVRs. LOL

the producers have said many times that those who are dead, stay that way. I wonder how he could have survived, with the blood squirting out of his ears and all.I hope they address this before the season is over!

Its definitely possible. Maybe a subtle clue?

Maybe the sonic fence doesn't outright kill people, just severely wounds them, to the point where the islands 'healing powers' could heal him.That's a possibility. But they're going to have to really explain it so that it is believable.

So, when one goes through the sonic fence, the island cures you in a few days?

That was the big surprise for me this episode. I really thought that Mikhail was dead. I have no idea how he lived. Either the island healed him, or he was somehow prepared to fake his death...

Seems that way, doesn't it? I was so surprised and happy to see him. Love his smart mouth. Kinda wish they did take him prisoner though. I wanna know more and he seems to be pretty consistent with giving us answers.

there is some explaining to do. blood squirting from the ears (I'm no doctor) seems to me bad stuff has happened... like death y'know

If we dont see Mrs. Klugh again, then we know that you can whiz on the electric fence and survive.

what does this mean for the other people who have "died" on the island?

I gotta think that the Island healed him......somehow. I can't really see him being prepared for such an elaborate fake-out. The blood from his ears would be awfully difficult to fake. The way he said that the parachutist would heal in a day.....maybe a day and half, sounded to me like he knew exactly what he was talking about. It prolly took him that long to regain consciousness after his run in with the fence.

Does anyone think he was crasing through the jungle thinking there may have been a food drop? Or, was this just a coincidence. Mikhail did seem pretty surprised when he ran into our Losties and the parachute woman.

Also . . . do we think he's now on his own? I figured, when he went through the fence and said "thank you", he death saved him from the consequences of what happened at The Flame with Ms. Klugh. Ben couldn't have been happy with him.

I gotta think that the Island healed him......somehow. I can't really see him being prepared for such an elaborate fake-out. The blood from his ears would be awfully difficult to fake. The way he said that the parachutist would heal in a day.....maybe a day and half, sounded to me like he knew exactly what he was talking about. It prolly took him that long to regain consciousness after his run in with the fence.

Gotta agree here. I actually forgot about the blood coming from his ear, so I just don't think that he could have faked it. What unbelievable powers this island has. I was kinda mad when Locked "killed" him because we could have gotten so many answers from him. Glad to see him back.

I think he had an implant that the fence triggered, or he triggered himself. He was bleeding from the mouth and stuff just like Claire was.

That was the big surprise for me this episode. I really thought that Mikhail was dead. I have no idea how he lived. Either the island healed him, or he was somehow prepared to fake his death...I think that has to be it. No one tested it afterwards. And remember Juliet had to turn it on to stop smokey? Maybe it was never on when Locke pushed him through it!

either that or Mikhail is a pyrohumantechnic blood spurting, mouth foaming.... ack ack dying but then breathing other.

If it's a con (like the rabbit thingy) it's the king of cons. The question still remains why do they go to such theatrical lengths?

Why?

We should note that at least that the losties talked about what they were told about the adventure (Locke blowing up the flame station and the sonic fence) off screen.

I'm wondering if the fence was actually built for the sole purpose of keeping the smoke monster out, and the mouth foaming and blood-squirting-out-of-ears were just some nasty side effects that happened when a human ran into it.

Maybe the fence doesn't kill. It just makes you have seizures and stuff. So maybe he was never really dead and he never faked it either.

First of all, I loved this episode, and the reveal at the end. I really hope some light is shed on why he is still alive though. I was not impressed with how he just showed up and that's it. Here's hoping that that's explained as well as the "plane crashed and everyone is dead line" I'm sure the purgatory theorists are going crazy!!!!!!!!!!

Interesting, ChuckP. That's a very possible theory. Juliet did say it was for protection against good ol' smokey. She never said it had anything to do with actual people or animals.

I think TPTB are going to be true on their word that they stay dead. So he couldn't have been dead...

But blood squirting out of your ears does lead one to think that the brain was affected...

And yes, I'm pretty sure he did say that he already died once that week, but it might have been in a sarcastic manner.

If we dont see Mrs. Klugh again, then we know that you can whiz on the electric fence and survive.

So.... you whizzed on the electric fence, did ya?!

Interesting, ChuckP. That's a very possible theory. Juliet did say it was for protection against good ol' smokey. She never said it had anything to do with actual people or animals.

That would be the most logical explanation, that it was an elaborate act on the part of Mikhail to look like he died. I get the impression that Mikhail became wildly popular with the fans like Desmond and TPTB wrote a way to keep him in. On the other hand, what if it was the island? Like Locke, Rose, and (she who shall not be named), is it possible that he was healed quickly. The healing powers of the island need to be addressed soon or it will start becoming unbelievable if you ask me. Any thoughts?

How about if Mikhail was implanted with the same device as Claire was?
Maybe he could activate it himself - to appear dead.

IN One of US: Ben mentioned Claire's implant being activated it made me think that Mikhail had an implant that activated during the encounter with the fence. I figured that he would turn up alive.

I'm definitely agreeing with the theories that a device similar to the device the Claire was implanted with was inside Mikhail to trigger the bleeding and illusion of death. That's the only thing that makes sense to me outside the realm of science-fiction. Although, this particular implant would have had to have been much more fast-acting than Claire's.

Ok... I think this whole episode was a game changer!!! And I actually do think Mikhail is alive again. I just want to know how.

How about if Mikhail was implanted with the same device as Claire was?
Maybe he could activate it himself - to appear dead.

Great theory! It makes sense with the very similar bleeding, although was Claire bleeding out of her ears at all? The only possible hole I'd see is that Claire's implant took about 48 hours to show symtoms, whereas this one would have had to have caused instantaneous effects.

The fence was definetly on when Mikhail went through it because we heard the ringing noise when he crossed it. Did anyone actually ever confirm he was dead? I remember Sayid mention something about a cerebral hermorage but he was on the other side of the fence and he is not a doctor.

I think TPTB are going to be true on their word that they stay dead. So he couldn't have been dead....

Sincerely, no offense but I do not listen to podcasts. I would wager that maybe... a big maybe... 20,000 people do. This leaves roughly 11 million people who watch the show who don't listen to podcasts. I frankly do not believe a single word they say (or that i keep hearing on here) in thier podcasts and other such media. They have their motives, advertising money being the BIG one and they have the stage to say whatever they want to. It's what they put on the screen that counts. Tonight they put someone on the screen that we we lead to believe in no uncertain terms was dead. He obviously is not. This could make one question everything else seemingly implausible via the word of TPTB.

I think that has to be it. No one tested it afterwards. And remember Juliet had to turn it on to stop smokey? Maybe it was never on when Locke pushed him through it!

It was on, because we heard it when he went into it, just as we heard it when the smoke monster tried to cross it. The Others turned it off when they left camp.

Mikail was "acting"....we see it all the time in action films. Fake blood that explodes on cue. The foaming mouth would not be hard to arrange by him putting something in his mouth just prior to his death scene, to cause the foam,...

It's all a long con,...and I hope it's not on us,...

This was an awesome surprise. I really think that locke and Mikhail made a deal or something like that while they were at the flame. I never bought that Locke would just throw someone past the barrier like that not knowing what would happen.

And Hurley with the flare gun was hilarious.

I think TPTB are going to be true on their word that they stay dead. So he couldn't have been dead...

But blood squirting out of your ears does lead one to think that the brain was affected...

And yes, I'm pretty sure he did say that he already died once that week, but it might have been in a sarcastic manner.

Sort of reminded me when Spock said " I've been dead before" in Star Trek 6

My understanding was that blood out the ears just means the eardrums have been punctured. And lots of people foam at the mouth when having seizures. So we really didn't see evidence of anything obviously fatal or even horribly serious, and our intrepid "A" team didn't stop to investigate--just sort of shrugged and walked on. Careless of them.

Maybe Mikhail has a twin brother....Mikdail? :drowsy:

Its probably just a continuity error. Im sure the writers will catch it and he'll go back to being dead next week. :)

Right after the incident with the fence, I posted how I yelled at the tv to have Kate, Sayid or Locke check Mikhail to make sure he was really dead. There were several posters who mentioned that he appeared completely dead and there was no need to check. I just want to re-state that now :lipsseal:
I was also happy to know that the Losties do in fact tell each other about what has happened - that they do in fact talk amongst themselves...

Mikail was "acting"....we see it all the time in action films. Fake blood that explodes on cue. The foaming mouth would not be hard to arrange by him putting something in his mouth just prior to his death scene, to cause the foam,...

Was Smokey also acting when he hit the fence?

Its probably just a continuity error. Im sure the writers will catch it and he'll go back to being dead next week. :)

God i pay waaaay too much attention to this show cause this made me laugh out loud for real
:biggrin:

When I saw "game changer" in the topic-post I assumed that you were talking about Naomi's revelation.

The fact that the fence didn't kill Mikhail is definitely a shocker, and probably important, but pales in comparison to the info about the flight.

Maybe Mikhail has a twin brother....Mikdail? :drowsy:

Wait Mikhail has an evil twin? I thought Mikhail was evil. Does that make his twin good or twice as evil? I'm confused.:biggrin:

Mikhail himself mentioned the healing powers of the Island. I think he was saved from the brink of death.

yes, yes...but what does this mean for everyone else who has died on the island!?! Boone and Shannon.... can they be healed? alive?

He was mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead and I didn't see Locke going through Mikhail's pockets looking for loose change. :biggrin:

When I saw "game changer" in the topic-post I assumed that you were talking about (this name is a spoiler until it is told to us in an ep)'s revelation.

The fact that the fence didn't kill Mikhail is definitely a shocker, and probably important, but pales in comparison to the info about the flight.

after i posted this thread i wanted to say a bit to that (everyone died on 815) as well. but other members had already started those :) so i shall participate in reaping the wisdom of those threads as well as this one.


Great show tonite. I was pleased and certainly bewildered.

He was mostly dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead and I didn't see Locke going through Mikhail's pockets looking for loose change. :biggrin:

funny, but,
that joke was made on another thread...

what does this mean for the other people who have "died" on the island?

The writers confirmed that when someone dies..they are DEAD.
Thus, Mikhail never died in the first place.. just some crazy stuff went down in that scene where we were under the assumption he did die.

I get the impression that Mikhail became wildly popular with the fans like Desmond and TPTB wrote a way to keep him in

By the time the fans could react to Mikhail, they probably were writing 4 episodes past this one, and had known/made the decision about Mikhail's fate long before.

I believe the fence injured him, probably severely. Part of it could have been acting and part of it was real. Some of us assumed he was dead because the losties did, but there was no proof he died, just passed out. A lot of people thought he lived and was faking it. Since we don't know what the fence actually does (scientifically), it's no stretch to think he survived his encounter with it. Plus, I believe in the episode when he said he already died once this week, he was being sarcastic. He was grinning when he said it. I thought it was pretty cool that that Kate and Sayid talked about what happened with the other losties :)

I think the Island's healing powers were put into play. Our Losties just left Patchy lying on the ground and took off to take care of their own chicken plucking. In the meantime, Patchy lay on the ground - the closest to the source of the Island's healing powers. Who knows how long he lay there? The Losties didn't pronounce or anything and, frankly, none of them were qualified to do so. Locke laying on the beach, Rose sitting in the sand looking out at the sea - both of them were on the ground where whatever the healing powers of the Island has are held. Does that make sense?

If we dont see Mrs. Klugh again, then we know that you can whiz on the electric fence and survive.
That made tea squirt out of my nose, man! :roflmao:

We should note that at least that the losties talked about what they were told about the adventure (Locke blowing up the flame station and the sonic fence) off screen. I noticed that too and was thrilled since this has been one of the few pet peeves I have about the show. :clapping:

I thought it was pretty cool that that Kate and Sayid talked about what happened with the other losties :)

Yes that is a revelation. It seems the losties aren't as close lipped and stupid as we may have earlier assumed. They do see to tell each other stuff that we never see or know about. Hmmmm I wonder how much more they know that we don't know they know.:eek2:

The writers confirmed that when someone dies..they are DEAD.
Thus, Mikhail never died in the first place.. just some crazy stuff went down in that scene where we were under the assumption he did die.

I remember them saying that, as well. Which leads me to believe that he never died. Weird, though - how did he get blood to come out his ears? He did elude to the island's quick healing powers. Maybe the longer you're on the island, the faster you heal. Didn't he say he'd been there 11 years?

I remember them saying that, as well. Which leads me to believe that he never died. Weird, though - how did he get blood to come out his ears? He did elude to the island's quick healing powers. Maybe the longer you're on the island, the faster you heal. Didn't he say he'd been there 11 years?


He got the blood to come out of his ears because that's apparently what happens when you go through a sonic barrier fence.

I agree that Locke probably either knew what was going to happen, or based on his instant 'healing', he knew that it wouldn't kill Patchy and that he needed Patchy out of the way.

Patchy at the same time embraced his 'death' because he knew he'd be able to get up and walk away with probably only a serious migraine.

Just some thoughts.

The writers confirmed that when someone dies..they are DEAD.
Thus, Mikhail never died in the first place.. just some crazy stuff went down in that scene where we were under the assumption he did die.
what about the Kalvin? is he a confirmed dead guy last time i checked he was in the same state Mikhail was when we last saw him before today..also... lets say he didnt die when he went threw the sonic fence thing and he had an implant like Claire a few of you said before dose this mean Sawyer, Kaite, and Jack have implants now too??

Okay, if Mikhail put something in his mouth before he hit the fence so he would "foam" or if he used fake blood for his ears, then I think he hatched a plan before hand with Locke to do this. I've been suspicious of the way Locke pushed him into the fence since it happened. I think Locke was in on it!

yes, yes...but what does this mean for everyone else who has died on the island!?! Boone and Shannon.... can they be healed? alive?

Dead is dead, but it is interesting how some people are healed and others are not. We've seen Locke's paralysis heal almost instantly, and we've seen his leg heal quickly in season one. We've seen Boone die of massive injuries. Ana Lucia and Shannon died almost immediately from their gunshot wounds, but Libby hung on for a day after she was shot and then died. The Marshall died on the beach from his injuries after several days (OK, point of order, he died at the hands of Sawyer's gun and then Jack's mercy, but he was dying and not getting better). So, what is the difference between all these people? Why weren't they healed miraculously?

I think Locke was in on it!

Ah. There we go. This is the cool thought I was hoping for.
:)

So Mikhail was only MOSTLY dead :)

I wasnt suprised at all unfortunately(but I loved the episode)

I said I felt they would show the islands healing properties by bringing one of the recent departed others back. The entire healing theme was pointing to it. Also on the coming attractions when they showed his arm stabbing at Jin it was so obviously Patchy..if you check some screencaps you'll see how obvious it was that its same Dharma uniform with Patchy's puffy cuff.

But anyway...I saw on another Lost forum they were all saying he faked his death.

Sometimes I think people dont actually know anything about a little thing called a script--or what a theme is.

We have been dealing with unusual healings ad nausem. Its all over the past scripts. Now in this very episode Patchy mentions it again regarding the Girls wound. I wrote a big post after "Man from Tal" that ben's use of the word "immediate" in regard to Locke being healed, showed very clearly how all the Losties survivied the plane crash (a crash that no one could survive from). They were healed from their fatal wounds---Immediate healing

Obviously it is selective healing, ( Ben is sick, some people did die)..but the property exists. The question we are asked to ponder is why do some heal and others dont.

note **Please excuse my post, I'm tired

Anybody else get the feeling that Mikhail and the Parachutist were working together. A thought I had was that Mikhail was working with the parachutist helping guide her to the island. When the flare goes off, Mikhail will know exactly where to go. He was probably generally looking for the helicopter anyway. I think he wanted to be thought of as dead by both the others and the losties. I think that the parachutist was in fact after desmond to supposedly bring him home to penny. I don't think she thought that the helicopter was going to crash. I think Mikhail knew and wanted her helicopter to crash. He seemed like he was only after one thing after all. Especially since he has no link to the outside world ever since the swan blew up(remember this guys is used to being wired). I think that the sonic barrier hurt him severly, but he knew he wasn't going to die. The big question on my mind is what would he do with the satellite phone if he had got his hands on it and gotten it to work? Would he have called for help, or does he need it for some other reason?We know that satellite technology works on the island.

Thanks and sorry this isn't orginized, I'm tired and it's 1:30 in the early morning and I will probably change my mind on everything by tomorrow.
'night

My understanding was that blood out the ears just means the eardrums have been punctured. And lots of people foam at the mouth when having seizures. So we really didn't see evidence of anything obviously fatal or even horribly serious, and our intrepid "A" team didn't stop to investigate--just sort of shrugged and walked on. Careless of them.

That's what I'm going with, and Mikhail's line about "As your friends have already told you, I've already died once this week" was just tongue in cheek to mislead. It probably hurt like hell and all but it seems organs can rejuvenate on the island. I bet massive trauma like Boone's can't be saved though.

Ya know, maybe this explains how Charlie didn't die from being hung too, as well as other near death experiences that I'm too tired to remember right now!
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Dead is dead, but it is interesting how some people are healed and others are not. We've seen Locke's paralysis heal almost instantly, and we've seen his leg heal quickly in season one. We've seen Boone die of massive injuries. Ana Lucia and Shannon died almost immediately from their gunshot wounds, but Libby hung on for a day after she was shot and then died. The Marshall died on the beach from his injuries after several days (OK, point of order, he died at the hands of Sawyer's gun and then Jack's mercy, but he was dying and not getting better). So, what is the difference between all these people? Why weren't they healed miraculously?

I agree, there's some explaining to do here. At first I was wondering if it was the good/bad thing but then Shannon was not a bad person she never killed anyone.
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note **Please excuse my post, I'm tired

Anybody else get the feeling that Mikhail and the Parachutist were working together. A thought I had was that Mikhail was working with the parachutist helping guide her to the island. When the flare goes off, Mikhail will know exactly where to go. He was probably generally looking for the helicopter anyway. I think he wanted to be thought of as dead by both the others and the losties. I think that the parachutist was in fact after desmond to supposedly bring him home to penny. I don't think she thought that the helicopter was going to crash. I think Mikhail knew and wanted her helicopter to crash. He seemed like he was only after one thing after all. Especially since he has no link to the outside world ever since the swan blew up(remember this guys is used to being wired). I think that the sonic barrier hurt him severly, but he knew he wasn't going to die. The big question on my mind is what would he do with the satellite phone if he had got his hands on it and gotten it to work? Would he have called for help, or does he need it for some other reason?We know that satellite technology works on the island.

Thanks and sorry this isn't orginized, I'm tired and it's 1:30 in the early morning and I will probably change my mind on everything by tomorrow.
'night

No makes sense to me I was kind of wondering what Mikhail was doing there too and anything is possible. I've even wondered if the Parachute girl was actually an other and she's a plant too. I think the theory I'll stick with for now is that the Others heard the helicopter and saw the flashing beacon, and Ben told Mikhail to go search the area for survivors just like he did when 815 crashed. When Hurley fired the flare (which also seemed suspicious to me considering charlie was just saying how they are alone and nobody knows where they were) then Mikhail was able to zoom in and probably planned to tell her some con story.

I don't think Patchy was faking it. I think that's what would happen (ear drums exploding, mouth foaming) if a person were subject to a sonic fencing like that. I think it was really happening and I bet it hurt like hell. I think Patchy was really going through the suffering we saw and then either collapsed or played dead. He's a clever fella that Patchy, Russian Military clever, but he's lucky they didn't bury him. I remember thinking, "So they're just going to leave him there?" (What did they do with Klugh's body by the way?) I'm glad they did leave Mikhail's subtly breathing body out there though, because I love me some Patchy. :pirate2:

I just rewatched the scene when he goes through the fence. A few thoughts:

1. Definitely there is a sound. Either it is on, or someone is watching and making it seem like it is on.
2. That blood out the ears looks pretty convincing. The foam less so.
3. IF it was an "implant", it would have to be self-triggered or triggered by someone watching to get it timed exactly.
4. After she goes over the fence, Kate flips him over. He looks pretty dead! If he wasn't dead, we were totally not wrong to believe that he was.
5. Now Locke's behavior seems even odder.

Also, we all remembered Mikhail says "Thank you" right before he dies. Nice tie to his lie about what the parachutist says.

First, I'm very glad to see Mikhail back!

Second, I don't think it matters if it was theatrics or the island healing. We know that the Other's love a good show, and go out of their way to put on convincing ones... and the island's healing powers are being confirmed. (He mentions it, as well as Jin being infertile and the father)

Third, I don't think that the parachutist is an Other, or a plant, or anything to do with the Others at all. I think Mikhail was surprised to see the Losties because they are 8 hours from the beach. He probably heard the crash, saw the beacon, and assumed the flair was from whoever fell from the sky, not a Hugo mishap.

Last, very nice to see that the Losties talk to each other. And on the same lines of things I have always found annoying - they are asking questions and showing some resistance.

After Patchy had gone through the fence and "died", I saw him still breathing when Kate turned him over, I even posted this...but everyone said it had to be a continuity error. IMO his breathing was way too obvious for it to be missed by the production crew and editors, so it had to be there on purpose. Now we know why...well....we don't know "why" exactly, but it proved to be significant nonetheless and Patchy arrived on screen again.

I agree with the person who posted about Locke acting a bit strange when Patchy was thought to be dead. I'll have to search the board for a current Locke theory now. Great episode tonight BTW! :biggrin:

Not to insert a completely random thought into this thread. I'm positive now that this is why Charlie survived his hanging by Ethan.

what does this mean for the other people who have "died" on the island?

Exactly....this episode gave us some more clues that the island has the pretty extrodinary ability to heal.

Maybe Mikail is well aware of this and did purposely kill himself by going through the sonic fence...

This opens up some pretty cool possibilities. ;)

This was the first jaw dropper for me in last nights eppy. I had NO CLUE this was going to happen. As to how it could be possible.... I will say con. The Others are into deception and manipulation to achieve their goals. I truly believe that Mikhail deceived our Losties into believing he was dead. ( I agree with the Juliette thing that she had to turn the fence on, so it's possible the fence was off for the Mikhail incident. )

See me theory on the no survivors thread...

What I found interesting was not so much that Mikhail showed up alive, but that he was still covered in blood. Now, the fence incident was 7 days earlier (according to Lostpedia timeline). Yet in that time, Mikhail hasn't found new clothes or even something to properly wash his face.

I know his Flame station is no more, and that Otherville is deserted, but it still seems strange to me.

Here's a pic (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1283-292.html) from Lost Photo Gallery. (I hope I did this right, and that it's ok to link to them?)

You might wanna check out the old "Mikhail's Alive" thread: http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=75015

I quote myself shamelessly from here on:

There were some glitches in Mikhail's death scene if you compare it to the Smokey & The Fence scene in "Left Behind":

- The fence takes forever to activate, very much unlike in "Left Behind". The specific time span between the first high pitched sounds after Mikhail enters the gap between the pylons and the deeper sounds that the fence emits while killing him is 4 - 5 seconds. It was mentioned that this might have been a kind of stand-by/power-safe mode, but if implemented specifically that way, it would pretty much defeat the purpose of the fence, because a subject could easily cross the barrier unharmed in that much time. As said, this might just be a dramatic pause, but the high pitched sounds that the fence makes in this moment also differ a lot from those it made when beeing armed by Juliet in "Left Behind".

- Mikhail is actually past the barrier when he gets fried. There is a shot of the camera circling Mikhail while he's beeing fried and at the beginning of it, you can clearly see that he is a few feet past the pylons. This might just have been an inaccurancy, but why make it so obvious then? They could have cut out the first few frames of that shot easily if they wanted to.

- Mikhail jumps/twitches/is thown several feet to inside of the perimeter once the fence is done with him -> it is highly unlikely that any sonic wave could do that, but brain damage caused by the fence might have resulted in involuntary muscle contractions. Still it's convenient, because that way they can't/won't examine if he's really dead. Then again, they could have done so after climbing over the fence.

So let's get this straight: Patchy is shoved towards the fence by Locke -> he voluntarily stops right on the border (or actually a bit past it) -> he turns around to face the Losties -> he takes time to say his last words -> he finally get's fried by the fence

Comparing that scene to the one with Smokey from "Left Behind":
Smokey approaches the fence -> the fence repells it in the second it tries to enter the gap between two pylons

It doesn't add up.

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Looking back at it, reminded of the healing powers of the island, I think it was like this:

Patchy knew that the fence would cause his eardrums to rip (from what I read about sonic weapons on the net, this is their most likely effect, as opposed to killing a person) and bleed and possibly also cause the foaming, but he also knew that the island could cure that damage and that the visuals of it would probably convince the A-Team that he's dead. So, he was playing along and lived happily ever after. Sayid is on track when he assumes some kind of cerebral hemorrhage because of the blood from the ears and the foaming mouth, but why the A-Team didn't bother to check more closely after climbing over the fence beats me.

I am not even remotely as well versed as all of the other posters. However, I still recall (possibly incorrectly) that one of Dharma/Hanso's research projects was cloning. So hear me out. What if the Others realize that they will never be able to reproduce. So, how do you keep the population alive? Clone them!

I might be committing blasphemy, but recall the Lost Web Game? There was a primate named Joop that could talk. Remember last year a bird swooped at Hurley and called him by name? Perhaps the island "reincarnates" dead people?

Orrrrr, Mikhail thanked Kate for killing him b/c he was a clone who knew he wasn't normal and just wanted to die. Perhaps as an earlier poster compared him to Spock, b/c he was left exposed to the island, he would regenerate.

Juliet said that a unintended benfit of the fence was that it kept smokey out (not exact words). Based on the others m.o. maybe the fence was ment to keep people inside the fence - a crude version of a dog's invsible fence - probably requiring an implant in Patchy. Patchy gets a bad jolt from hitting the fence line, not deadly but one he soon won't forget.

Sorry -- do you mean "Rapid Cell Regeneration"?

I googled Rapped Cell Regeneration and got no hits...

I watched and compared the scene where Juliette stopped Smokey, and Mikhail was shoved into the "fence". There is considerable delay between the time Mikhail steps into the field and when the system turns on. On the other hand when Juliette turns on the fence, Smokey is stopped immediately. Beyond that, you can see Mikhail still breathing in both shots after he "dies".

How could he fake something like that, or is there a way to actually live through that?

Thoughts?

This only proves that if he really died once could Jack's father not be dead. Jack found his shoe, chased him through the jungle, found his coffin and he was not in it. Where could he be? I know the writers say he is dead but maybe that is to throw us off.

Yeah, with the amount of blood and foam, I think he just survived, not faking it.

I watched and compared the scene where Juliette stopped Smokey, and Mikhail was shoved into the "fence". There is considerable delay between the time Mikhail steps into the field and when the system turns on. On the other hand when Juliette turns on the fence, Smokey is stopped immediately. Beyond that, you can see Mikhail still breathing in both shots after he "dies".

How could he fake something like that, or is there a way to actually live through that?

Thoughts?

Personally, I never really thought to begin with that we could say for certain that Mikhail was dead. It bothered me a lot that they didn't show what they did with his corpse/body after the fence incident. If they'd buried him in a grave like they did with Paolo and Nikki, then I would now have a huge problem with him turning up again. Once you're buried in the ground you'd be dead from suffocation, no matter what else happened to be the matter. But who knows? Maybe the fence thing just paralyzed him for a while. Maybe he quickly recovered because of the Island's special rejuvenative powers. But obviously, if you've lost an organ like an eyeball, the Island can't make you a new one out of nothing. So there's only so much it can do to restore your health.

I'm glad Mikhail's back - I was very sad about Nadia his cat having to lose her master. I'm still haunted by that look she gave Sayid at the end of "Enter 77" when the Flame was blown up and her friend Mikhail was being dragged away into the jungle by mean people. I hope Nadia has been reunited with Mikhail... She's a nice kitty and deserves a good home.

Wow, I am eating crow right now. :redface: I debated like hell with the people that said Mickhail was breathing after passing through the sonic fence. My bad.

The island's ability to heal has to be the reason that he is still around. Mikhail even mentioned it when he was treating tree girl. So, it brings up the question (again): If the island can cure paralysis, cancer, Locke's crushed legs in a matter of days, Mikhail's sonic fence encounter, and a girl drowning in her own blood...how did Ben get a tumor?????!!!!!!:blink: :cnfused1:

After Patchy had gone through the fence and "died", I saw him still breathing when Kate turned him over, I even posted this...but everyone said it had to be a continuity error. IMO his breathing was way too obvious for it to be missed by the production crew and editors, so it had to be there on purpose. Now we know why...well....we don't know "why" exactly, but it proved to be significant nonetheless and Patchy arrived on screen again.

I agree with the person who posted about Locke acting a bit strange when Patchy was thought to be dead. I'll have to search the board for a current Locke theory now. Great episode tonight BTW! :biggrin:

Not everyone disagreed with you. I remember your post, and even if I didn't at the time reply and say I agreed with you, I did post some other similar letters in a couple of the threads from that episode that basically said that we don't really know if Mikhail was killed or not... I'm glad he's back.

What, are Public Enemy going on tour again?

j/k

I'm glad Mikhail's back - I was very sad about Nadia his cat having to lose her master. I'm still haunted by that look she gave Sayid at the end of "Enter 77" when the Flame was blown up and her friend Mikhail was being dragged away into the jungle by mean people. I hope Nadia has been reunited with Mikhail... She's a nice kitty and deserves a good home.
Wow, that's... a curious reason for being so happy that Mikhail is still alive, but hey, whatever floats your boat!

I think he is just a cool character. I want to know exactly how he survived, but I am just glad to have him back for now.

For now, I am going with this.

The fence does massive sonic damage, causing your eardrums to rupture and bleed, nausea, foaming at the mouth and losing consciousness. I don't think we saw Locke/Sayid/Kate check him for a pulse, did they? They just argued about why Locke did it, then climbed over...right?

If that's the case, then Mikhail would have been all banged up but alive, and the island sped up the recovery time. Eardrums healed/healing, and the rest just temporary.

NO ZOMBIES! :biggrin:

To me, it was obvious last night that the lines Mikhail spoke about the island healing faster than normal were meant to give us a clue about why he is still alive.

Again, the writers don't spell it out for us, but I think they're telling us that he healed fast.

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I'm glad Mikhail's back - I was very sad about Nadia his cat having to lose her master. I'm still haunted by that look she gave Sayid at the end of "Enter 77" when the Flame was blown up and her friend Mikhail was being dragged away into the jungle by mean people. I hope Nadia has been reunited with Mikhail... She's a nice kitty and deserves a good home.
Wow, that's... a curious reason for being so happy that Mikhail is still alive, but hey, whatever floats your boat!

I think he is just a cool character. I want to know exactly how he survived, but I am just glad to have him back for now.

Are you a cat person Rodimus? If not, then you'd naturally find it curious for me wanting Nadia kitty to be reunited with her friend Mikhail. Here, you can see for yourself how sad she was at the end of that episode as she was looking at Sayid:

Nadia Kitty (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=88740&fullsize=1)

And... we don't for sure what the fence does, it might be designed to just incapacitate intruders until the others can come and get 'em!

Mikhail was probably coming to, checked out his home town, Othersville, found it abandoned, went searching for his crew, then saw the flare. He thought, Ben and the others were signaling him to come meet them, he arrived and found Desmond and the gang.

Of course... he could have been looking for the parachutist if she was a plant, but I like the above better.

Juliet said that a unintended benfit of the fence was that it kept smokey out (not exact words). Based on the others m.o. maybe the fence was ment to keep people inside the fence - a crude version of a dog's invsible fence - probably requiring an implant in Patchy. Patchy gets a bad jolt from hitting the fence line, not deadly but one he soon won't forget.

Juliet's exact words were "we don't know what it is, but we know it doesn't like our fence". I've been thinking for some time that the fence was actually built as a Smokey deterent, rather than a human one, and that, knowing how they supposedly deplore killing people, it probably was never meant to be fatal to humans (hence why they built a sonic weapon fence instead of a, I don't know, flaming laser exploding nine-bladed sword death fence.

For now, I am going with this.

The fence does massive sonic damage, causing your eardrums to rupture and bleed, nausea, foaming at the mouth and losing consciousness. I don't think we saw Locke/Sayid/Kate check him for a pulse, did they? They just argued about why Locke did it, then climbed over...right?

If that's the case, then Mikhail would have been all banged up but alive, and the island sped up the recovery time. Eardrums healed/healing, and the rest just temporary.

NO ZOMBIES! :biggrin:

Exactly. The heavy sonic waves could've busted his eardrums (thus the bleeding) and caused him a seizure (thus the foam). So, this is not at all impossible. They didn't bother to check his body, they just moved on. Eardrum busting doesn't cause any permanent damage.

I have to agree with a poster a few pages back about immediate healing. All of these losties SHOULD be dead but they are not. Thus they refelct on their lives and the bad they did. It's the reckoning.

But now we have been presented with Mikhail being killed in a most graphic way, far more graphic than any other death so far on the show. We should really believe he is DEAD DEAD DEAD. But he's NOT. He even said he had been dead, sarcastic or not he said it. Hmmm he is obviously tuned-in to the island. Makes me think about that remark Ben made in Juliet's flash back the Mikhail never has his walkie turned on. Maybe he has special powers like Desmond and doesn't need it on?

maybe the sonic fence is just fake ... they got scared when they saw what it did to mikhail ... maybe he was faking it too ... took some sort of pill when no one was looking and the rest we know ...

I humble beg your forgiveness :ntworthy:

I typed it quickly as I went out the door this morning. Did not proof read it.
I have fixed it

Actually, now it says, "Raped Cell Regeneration," which is something that happens in prison.

"Rapid." Not "raped."

ah here's the already gone thread. it now has a more discriptive name :)

I posted this elsewhere-
My theory:
First- let’s go back to the death of Mikhail. Locke pushed him into what we though was an electrified fence, he says thank you, white stuff comes out of his mouth and he falls over. The rest of the crew assumes he is dead and crawls over the fence to avoid electrocution. They get stuck in Otherville for a while and then Kate and Juliette are handcuffed together in the jungle. They walk along, hear the monster and run, they come to a part of the electrified fence and Juliette runs through to a post with a panel, Kate stars in disbelief and doesn’t move but Juliette says “come on don’t worry they aren’t even on” and Kate runs through, Juliette pushes buttons on the panel AND NOW THE FENCE IS LIVE!
People- Mikhail did not die- yet

I watched and compared the scene where Juliette stopped Smokey, and Mikhail was shoved into the "fence". There is considerable delay between the time Mikhail steps into the field and when the system turns on. On the other hand when Juliette turns on the fence, Smokey is stopped immediately. Beyond that, you can see Mikhail still breathing in both shots after he "dies".

How could he fake something like that, or is there a way to actually live through that?
Simple -- just pop a blood squib. That's what I've been saying for some time. The "fence" is inert.

Simple -- just pop a blood squib. That's what I've been saying for some time. The "fence" is inert.


And they would have those on the island why?

Since the Losties didn't check to see if Mikhail was really dead I think the idea that he was hurt but not dead is the best explaination. Especially with all the "island heals fast" talk.

I think the fence is some kind of sonic energy, It can hurt or knock out and maybe even kill humans and it keeps the monster at bay.

Let's say he did die, me thinks that because Mikhail wasnt buried when he "died", the island brought him back to life

My theory as posted elsewhere:

First- let’s go back to the "death" of Mikhail. Locke pushed him into what we though was an electrified fence, he says thank you, white stuff comes out of his mouth and he falls over. The rest of the crew assumes he is dead and crawls over the fence to avoid electrocution. They get stuck in Otherville for a while and then Kate and Juliette are handcuffed together in the jungle. They walk along, hear the monster and run, they come to a part of the electrified fence and Juliette runs through to a post with a panel, Kate stars in disbelief and doesn’t move but Juliette says “come on don’t worry they aren’t even on” and Kate runs through, Juliette pushes buttons on the panel AND NOW THE FENCE IS LIVE!
People- Mikhail did not die- yet!

Dead is dead, but it is interesting how some people are healed and others are not. We've seen Locke's paralysis heal almost instantly, and we've seen his leg heal quickly in season one. We've seen Boone die of massive injuries. Ana Lucia and Shannon died almost immediately from their gunshot wounds, but Libby hung on for a day after she was shot and then died. The Marshall died on the beach from his injuries after several days (OK, point of order, he died at the hands of Sawyer's gun and then Jack's mercy, but he was dying and not getting better). So, what is the difference between all these people? Why weren't they healed miraculously?

Perhaps it has to do with the issue of being on the list. Those on the list can heal rapidly?
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I like to stick to the "text" of the show, that which is actually in the episode is what you need to rely on. I also think people rarely lie on the show as the writers aren't going to waste time with dialogue that isn't true. If someone is being deceptive it almost always involves playing with people's perspective, rather than outright saying untruths.

Anyway, in looking over the whole situation with Mikhail my take is that:

When Mikhail refers to "another way" to Ms. Klugh he is refering to using the sonic fence to appear to have died and then being able to escape from the clutches of the losties by healing.

So when Mikhail gets tossed into it he says thank you to Locke since this was part of his plan all along. He then gets zapped by the fence and has a cereberal hemorage. He foams at the mouth, blood squirts out of his ears and collapses. Since Lost is all about perceptions, the losties and the audience feel pretty sure that he's dead, or even if they had noted him still breathing there was little they could do for him.

So he heals, eventually stumbling up. It probably took at least a couple of days, according to his assesment of N.aomi's wound.

Now perhaps he met up with the rest of the others, or perhaps he was wandering around trying to find them. My guess is that he never hooked back up with others as he's a mess, still bloody from his sonice experience and doesn't have any fresh gear.

Why he shows up at the parachute site? Sticking to what we've seen already, he probably saw the emergency light beacon falling from the sky, just as the Losties did, and so he moved towards that. Then when Hurley shot the flare he was able to zoom in on the exact location.

Now what pulls together everything in terms of Mikhail seemingly dying but suddenly appearing again is his dialogue about the island's healing properties:

Mihkail - "She's fine. Keep the wound as clean as you can. She should be better in a day."

Charlie - "A day? Her lung was punctured."

Mikhail - "On this island the wounds are a bit different, maybe a day and a half."

The writers aren't going to waste their time or ours with fluffy dialogue, they have to make sure as much of it as possible carries real weight in the show as they only have 45 miniutes to play around with. They also make sure that themes are tied together within a single episode, since the episodes not only has to work as a linked series of stories, but any given episode has to be self-contained within it's themes. So when we are suddenly surprised by Mikhail being alive, we also get the explanation, in the excellent round about way that the Lost writers utilize constantly.

Why hasn't the island healed his disgusting dental problems?

Okay he could have faked his death in the fence. I really don't think it was faking. I think he was getting fried and we were certainly lead to believe he died. Apparently he was buzzed within a fraction of moment of his death. Then... bingo! The island goes uooga booga and he's all better. This is nearly as far-out-there as someone coming back from the dead quite frankly.

Why though? why was he where he was? Why not with the Others on their trek to never never land with locke? Wasn't he important enough. Hell if he can be healed hunky dory from his brains squirting blood out of his ears wouldn't Mr Ben want to commune with him too? Maybe he still had a headache and couldn't attend. Maybe he's waiting for this girl whose name i cannot for the life of me understand why it's such a big deal and cannot be uttered. Maybe he is Jacob... nah couldn't be.

Honestly, I have no idea 'cept maybe he faked it? I've been thinking he is alive and just waiting for him to pop back up. It happened in this episode and for once I am so happy to say "yay I knew it!" just ONCE in my Lost-sluething career.

... That is until the twist when it becomes know he's really smokey or some such :rolleyes:

I dont know about you, but i'm pretty pissed off about the fact hes alive.
TPTB stated that when someone dies they stay dead.
So if it looks like someone dies, dont bring em back.
Next thing they'll be telling us is they actually are in purgatory.
I'm not happy about the episode.

I haven't watched the episode again yet, but when Jin goes after Mikhail again ('the phone') , charlie(?) says something to Mikhail and Mikhail touches his ear and goes something like 'what did you say' ? Could someone check the scene again , might be that I'm remembering things incorrectly.

If this was the case, it certainly points to Mikhail having received some injuries to his eardrums while passing the fence..

I've stated before that the writers are good at telling stories. What makes anyone think that the offscreen tellings of the writers or TPTB is not simply more "stories" ? What they put on the screen is the ONLY thing that counts in this show. I enjoy the show immensly because other than tossing around speculation on this board I have no desire whatever to know what the writers have to say. Once they put it on the screen then I will know. I'm happy this way. So when Patchy hit the screen last night it was one of the highlights of my television season. Particularly since 24 is kinda going down the tubes and Lost is the only other show i watch.

Why hasn't the island healed his disgusting dental problems?


ha! or given him a new eye?

I'm thinking if the wound isn't fatal. You heal a lot quicker, but the island isn't going to save you from death.

In other words your body has to be healing itself and the island will speed up the process, but if your dieing the island is not going to stop that.

It's probably related to the high sperm count too. Maybe skin cells grow faster, white and red blood cells reproduce faster along with a host of other things.

Even if you could fake foam coming out of your mouth (which is pretty hard to do without a few Alka Seltzer tabs), I'd think it would be very hard to fake BLEEDING FROM THE EARS.

My theory is that the fence is like the spiders. It doesn't kill you... it just paralyzes you for a random number of hours. I suspect there are numerous other items around the island that work in the same way. At some point someone is going to happen upon a gun that only paralyzes people. Perhaps it has already been found... maybe in the finale, we'll see Shannon... or Ana Lucia and Libby! Well, that is assuming that the dirt used to bury them is also the kind of dirt that only works to further paralyze a person for another arbitrary amount of time instead of actually suffocating them. See, this is a great plot development. Now anyone can die for shock value, but not to worry! They can be brought back on a whim with the explanation that whatever killed them really "only paralyzed them" for however long it takes to realize that killing off Character X was a mistake. Brilliant!

I bleed from the ears all the time it's nothing.

I really dont know what when down with this. At first for one second I forgot that he had died and im like oh patchy whats he doing here and then I remembered he was dead just like...the survivors of flight 815

Ok i really am not sure about this guy. Maybe he had fake blood capsules and alka seltzer tabs in his eye hole. lol

I'm with Bryce, I don't think the fence is meant to be lethal. It probably sets off an alarm, they check the cameras in othersville and go pick up whoever breached the fence.

I'm with Bryce, I don't think the fence is meant to be lethal. It probably sets off an alarm, they check the cameras in othersville and go pick up whoever breached the fence.

Maybe not but it definitely puts out some kind of effect. Even "Smokey" doesn't like whatever it does.

I gotta think that the Island healed him......somehow. I can't really see him being prepared for such an elaborate fake-out. The blood from his ears would be awfully difficult to fake.
It was done for Lost, so why couldn't it've been done just as easily for the Losties?
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How about if Mikhail was implanted with the same device as Claire was?
How do you know she wasn't faking it too?
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I really think that locke and Mikhail made a deal or something like that while they were at the flame.
Why couldn't they have "made a deal" years earlier? Don't you think there's something a wee bit suspicious about names like "John Locke" and "Mikhail Bakunin"?

our intrepid "A" team didn't stop to investigate--just sort of shrugged and walked on. Careless of them.
Yeah, "careless" -- like Kate's evaluation of jewelry at the gas station. Or Hugo's firing the flare gun. Or whoever's insistence that Sawyer fire the flare from the raft. Or Kate's dropping the transceiver from the tree.

Robert

Fence just perforated his eardrums. No biggy.

It was done for Lost, so why couldn't it've been done just as easily for the Losties?
Robert

honestly? that's your reasoning for believing that he may have faked it? Your basically saying that because we saw it done on television, then he could pull it off right in front of their faces.
I debated on whether or not to even answer that question. I'm really a little surprised, i mean you're comparing what they do with special effects, make-up, re-shoots, preparation time, cameras, etc.....to what he would have to do to be ready to put on that type of show without the losties noticing him prepare for such an event?

I'm sorry dude, but i really don't see how that argument holds any water whatsoever.

I think he saw the beacon, same way our Losties did. Brilliant moment when he happened upon them. Deer in the headlights look. He totally wasn't expecting them to be there. I have no idea how he survived the super-sonic blood-spurting Smokie barrier, but I sure am digging this character! He's the most intriguing new addition since Ben.

honestly? that's your reasoning for believing that he may have faked it? Your basically saying that because we saw it done on television, then he could pull it off right in front of their faces.

I debated on whether or not to even answer that question. I'm really a little surprised, i mean you're comparing what they do with special effects, make-up, re-shoots, preparation time, cameras, etc.....to what he would have to do to be ready to put on that type of show without the losties noticing him prepare for such an event?
Then you just don't know magic & stage effects. Blood squibs are used in pro wrestling, and there are no re-shoots there.

considering the noise that occurred during the "incident" I definitely think it was real, whatever that is (paralysis/bad headache).

People talking about bleeding from the ears... he didn't just bleed from the ears, it was spraying out in streams, it's serious stuff. That DOESN'T happen in WWE. They might have some fake blood now and then, but generally it is real blood made by cutting themselves with a small blade or razor whilst they are down, a cut to the forehead normally, which they squeaze to make the most of. Blood doesn't spray out of their ears...

Then you just don't know magic & stage effects. Blood squibs are used in pro wrestling, and there are no re-shoots there.

you are totally correct.....I do not know about magic and stage effects. But now your using wrestling as an argument? The most notoriously fake show on earth? The key word there being 'show'. It's a live show that very few people believe is 100% real and the blood they use is stictly for entertainment value, not to fool people into thinking that the performer is dead.
Mikhail had blood - and lots of it - squirting out of his ears. That takes time to prepare and setup. Are you saying he just has blood squibs in his ears ready to go in case of this exact situation?
Eitherway, whether he faked it or not, stating that because you saw something done on television, that it can obviously be done to fool 3 or 4 people standing 10 feet away is completely ridiculous.
Again, i'm sorry Doc. I have read other posts of yours, and you've always made some very good points, but this one i just don't understand. You can tell me that you think he faked it and that's fine, but to use the reasoning you did, i can't buy it.
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People talking about bleeding from the ears... he didn't just bleed from the ears, it was spraying out in streams, it's serious stuff. That DOESN'T happen in WWE. They might have some fake blood now and then, but generally it is real blood made by cutting themselves with a small blade or razor whilst they are down, a cut to the forehead normally, which they squeaze to make the most of. Blood doesn't spray out of their ears...

my point exactly....thank you chrysander :clapping:

Simple -- just pop a blood squib. That's what I've been saying for some time. The "fence" is inert.

Well, thank god he remember to load his ear-squibs and foam pellets before they arrived.

I just watched Enter 77 again, and noticed the scene where Danielle has her gun on Mikhail, it's clear to see that his ear opening is covered over with something that looks like wax, and a tube covered with makeup is running into it. This episode, mind you, preceeded the one in which he died in the fence with blood spurting ears.

I see two reasons; 1- this scene and the fence scene of the next ep were shot on the same day, so the actor was set up with fake blood then. 2- Mikhail the character somehow made himself up for a fake blood spurting death while still in the Flame. Did he have time between getting knocked out and coming up from behind Locke with his knife to do that?

Billy, that's very interesting. I think either of your reasons are plausible. I can respect people who think that he faked it.....i don't really put anything past these people of Lost, i just think it's unlikely. But i totally don't buy into the fact that because they did for the television audience, it would be no problem for Mikhail to have done it to fake out the losties.

I just watched Enter 77 again, and noticed the scene where Danielle has her gun on Mikhail, it's clear to see that his ear opening is covered over with something that looks like wax, and a tube covered with makeup is running into it. This episode, mind you, preceeded the one in which he died in the fence with blood spurting ears.

When? I have the episode recorded, I just watched that part again, in fact I watched all the close ups of Patchy and his ears are empty.

When? I have the episode recorded, I just watched that part again, in fact I watched all the close ups of Patchy and his ears are empty.

I hope I'm not seeing things. I'm looking at his left ear at 34:52, and I see his canal covered over and the little lobe in front of the ear looks large, folded and gnarly like there's makeup there.

Here: http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/95/patchyeardl0.jpg

I'm also thinking that the Others used makeup before; the kit in the Staff locker. So maybe it's not that farfetched.

I don't think Patchy died at all. We know the Others use implants (Claire), we know there is a spider venom on the island that can simulate death and we heard Patchy tell Ms Klugh "we have another way" (other than killing her). Put the three together and you have a very much alive Patchy. That "other way" was to activate an implant similar to Claire's (but which also contained spider venom) and pretend to die. Which is why Ben was not upset when Locke claimed to have killed Patchy and why the Others brought Locke with them. Patchy was back on his feet in 8 hours reporting to Ben. If Locke had killed Patchy he would have been just as bad a person as Kate or Sawyer. My take on it is that if you die, you die. But if you are hurt the island can, if it wants, heal you. Anyone else glad to hear that Hurley knew what happened at the Flame? See these people can talk if they want!

He's alive because I believe that the sole purpose for the fence is to protect the barracks from Smokey... Since Mikkhail is human, it's only natural that it doesn't kill him.. Only knock him out unconscience for a while with some pretty nasty side effects..

I think he's not dead, but deaf. The effect of the fence was to blow up his ears. And it matches with the fact he's not running when Jin chases him because of the camera. He only react when Jin is near to him, and he doesn't turn his face until he touches his shoulder. I think he's reading lips now, and pretending everything is OK.

I've had hearing problems all my life, I was told I'd be deaf by the time I was 18 (I'm 25 now). At about 13 I had a massive infection in my left ear that destroyed my eardrum, I now have a synthetic "patch" over my left eardrum and can hear just fine (a little frequency shift, but no biggies).

However when I had this problem, my ears would bleed at night, and in certain circumstances like sneezing or yawning, blood would actual propel out of my ears; not as far as patch, but far enough to be a neat party trick.

Anyway, if I can hear just fine with a synthetic patch, I'm assuming patchy would be spiffy with a naturally regenerated eardrum

I don't know how they can explain him being alive. I think faking the death in such an elaborate way is a little too immature for this show. Maybe he is actually Smokey. It might be important to Smokey that the girl lives. But I really have no idea.

I get a weird sense that there is some sort of similiarity between the way Locke and Desmond deal with Patchy. I don't know. Maybe Locke "killed" Patchy because he saw it in a series of events.

According to results published by NASA on Sonic Infrasound Weapons, results produced vibrations of the chest wall, changes in respiratory rhythm, gagging sensations, headaches, coughing, vibration of the eyeballs causing visual distortion, and post-exposure fatigue.

Exposure of unprotected ears to even minor infrasound can also cause an increase in pressure within the middle ear.

Ruptured Eardrum
A ruptured or perforated eardrum is an opening in the tympanic membrane that separates the outer ear from the middle ear. The membrane vibrates when sound waves strike it, and this starts the process that converts the sound wave into a nerve impulse that travels to the brain.

Damage to the eardrum can occur from acoustic trauma such as direct injury, changes in pressure, or from intense loud noises or intense sound vibrations.

Symptoms may include: Drainage from the ear (may be clear, pus, or blood), and hearing loss in the affected ear.

Prognosis
A ruptured or perforated eardrum may be uncomfortable, but it usually heals by itself within 1-2 months. Any hearing loss is usually temporary.

Audiogenic Seizure
A form of reflex seizure induced by sound, usually a sudden loud noise or sonic vibration.

A seizure is a temporary electrical disturbance in the brain.

Grand mal seizures occur when a person has their entire body contract or flex all their muscles at once (the tonic phase). Then the body will jerk and twitch (the clonic phase) as the person shakes. Drool or foaming of the mouth can occur. The person may moan or make unusual noises and perhaps lose bladder control. The seizure generally last less than one minute and is followed by a post-ictal state in which the person usually sleeps.

So yeah... he didn't die, people. They did not check him, and so what would normally have taken 1 or 2 months to heal, only took a week.

To see my theory on why this is, see my full post, Healing, Time & What the hell did I stumble on to??!! (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77577)

According to results published by NASA [blah blah snip...

TPTB can do whatever they want. Bringing people back to life is all part of the fun!

Especially while they keep telling us dead people stay dead (ala Jacks old man). Of course Mikael wasn't really dead! Maybe!! (sonar technicality loophole here)

And who could forget - there will be no time travel!!! Meanwhile, several episodes later, Desmond time travels at will !! ZOMG.

It's all part of the fun peoples. Anything's possible. Dead/alive/timetravel/dead babies (maybe! [maybe not!!!])/[insert any other abundant contradiction right about here] - whatever! lol.

As soon as this is realised the show takes on uber-fun proportions. Just like an ad.

Are you a cat person Rodimus? If not, then you'd naturally find it curious for me wanting Nadia kitty to be reunited with her friend Mikhail. Here, you can see for yourself how sad she was at the end of that episode as she was looking at Sayid:

Nadia Kitty (http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage.php?pid=88740&fullsize=1)

That is a very sad looking cat; kinda pensive seeming.

My first thought in seeing Mikhail is that he had a twin, and it's the twin that bumped into Desmond and the others. I just watched The Prestige on DVD and that's what made it come to mind.

Regarding the sonic fence incident, I find it hard to believe that Locke and Sayid weren't able to observe vitals (pulse, heartbeat, breathing) if he really had been still alive.

Bringing people back to life is all part of the fun!

Especially while they keep telling us dead people stay dead (ala Jacks old man).

And who could forget - there will be no time travel!!! Meanwhile, several episodes later, Desmond time travels at will !!

We have no proof that anyone who we have actually witnessed die and/or had a medical expert check them out and confirm them as dead -- are alive. This includes Christian. We have not seen that he is alive, nor did we see him die. And there is no evidence (i.e., a corroborating witness) to confirm anything about time travel. Desmond cannot time travel at will. In fact, we have never seen anyone who seems to have some sort of 'power' ever 'call' upon their abilities and reproduce them on command.

I happen to believe time is at play in this story, but it is not time travel -- it is the perception of time. Read my post on it here (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77577).
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Regarding the sonic fence incident, I find it hard to believe that Locke and Sayid weren't able to observe vitals (pulse, heartbeat, breathing) if he really had been still alive.

I agree, but they didn't really check him out. As Kate was walking away, she looked at him kind of funny, as if she noticed something, but other than that - they didn't really bother.
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I think that looking at a reasonable scientific answers on this island/this show is always going to be closer to the right direction than something mystical. TPTB have said that, and it makes sense. There are things in the real world that are stranger and more unfathomably amazing than anything you could make up. So why make things happen that are absolutely impossible and implausible given what is known in regards to science and fact, when you can do things that are based in science and fact and appear to be mystical or supernatural? Just from a creative standpoint, it makes far more sense.

That crazy son-of-a-gun patchy.... he's a wrestling sfx circus freak he is.

definitely agree with twin idea. he looked taken by surprise when they said he died already. Also, remember nothing is as it seems. he probably has two eyes!!!!

I don't think he could have possibly been faking his death after the fence incident - they checked and found he didn't have a pulse right? Unless it paralyzed him or something ... the other thing though, is Mikhail was a little different from the others. he lived separately, kind of did his own thing. Maybe this says something about him?