some pretty heavy words.... i believe Juliet may be working "for" Ben but she could defect at anytime.

i think she's totally working for him, but only because she feels that he's her best way off the island. If another way were to present itself, she would betray him in a second.

I actually half-expected him to be waiting down in the hatch for Juliet and Sun when they first arrived, or when she went back down, leaving Sun up top.

Heh. Totally called that one.

If she gets the smallest inkling of an opportunity to get off the island AND get her revenge on Ben for everything he's put her through and keeping her from her family, she won't hesitate.

Those three words revealed so much about Juliet's character. So this means she hates what she has to do for Ben. I agree that the only reason why she's doing it is to get off the island through Ben.
I feel bad for her now. I wasn't sure what to feel before, but now we know she does want to help people and isn't just working for Ben out of pleasure.

I was relieved to hear Juliet say that she hated Ben. But at the same time, she is still possibly putting other people in harms way in order to get off the island. I know she wants to get back to her sister, but I still don't understand why she is going along with something she obviously knows is wrong. Seeing Sun's worry and emotional state, and after confiding in Juliet like she did, Juliet has to feel pretty guilty. I hope in the future she will work agains Ben and help our losties out, like she did to help Kate and Sawyer escape. Juliet getting revenge on Ben would be awesome!

I loved that line. She feels she has to live out her promise, but she doesn't want to. She knows Ben and Jacob would make her life hell, or worse.

"I Hate You" By far my favorite line of the night. Those 3 little words say a lot! Now I wonder What Exactly is he making her do? What does she have to do to get off that island! Micheal ended up having to kill 2 people!:eek2:

I loved that line. She feels she has to live out her promise, but she doesn't want to. She knows Ben and Jacob would make her life hell, or worse.
Yep, and I think that it may even be more problematic than that. Perhaps if she doesn't follow Ben's orders, there will be some consequence that she finds more fearful of. Whatever makes her follow Ben's orders (say like fear for her sister's life or something), it's made her continue to do Ben's bidding, seemingly against her will.

I am convinced, and have been since NIP, that Juliet's primary motive for cooperating with Ben is to protect her sister (and now her nephew). She saw the way that her ex-husband was "taken care of" and Ben has already told her that her sister's cancer returned unexpectedly and was then cured upon Juliet's conditional agreement to stay. (We have to assume that if the cancer can be so easily cured that it must be as easily inflicted.) I am sure that for the love of her family, Juliet feels enslaved to Ben. As much as she wants off the island, I am sure that she feels her sister's health and well being must take priority. She must feel as though she has to have Ben permission to leave. Without it, she knowns that even if she could find another way home, she would end up paying for her betrayal of Ben and the Others with her sister's life.


Juliet is an awesome character!!! But, she is clearly in a no-win situation!

Smartest words to ever come out of Juliet's mouth!

Too bad she can't back 'em up with actions.

I loved this too. I think it was really smart of TPTB to truly make her "bad" in some ways and truly sympathetic in other ways. We really do feel for her and what she's going through, but we hate what she is doing to the Losties.

Any chance she is lying to Ben in the tape recorder? This crossed my mind. Yes, her words to Ben match her words to Sun, but what if she is only telling Ben what he wants to hear?

Smartest words to ever come out of Juliet's mouth!

Too bad she can't back 'em up with actions.


Just give her time! All in good time! ;)

I loved this line. As a long-time Juliet fan I always felt she was divided, even after everyone labelled her Satan after One of Us.

I feel vindicated now because I stuck up for Juliette so much before, saying she was a good person who didn't fit in with the others. And then at the end of One of Us I just felt sick, like she had duped me just like she duped Jack. But even then I wasn't convinced, just too much ambiguity since we didn't know if she was acting stone cold just for Ben's benefit. But I've always felt that when we see Juliette expressing anything in private, we get to see the real her.

I think tonight we learned something really valuable, Juliette and Sun have a mutually beneficial relationship here, because if Juliette can save Sun then her work will be done so she could go home, and Sun and her baby will live. This pregnancy problem affects everyone on the island, losties and other's alike so it's in everyone's interestes to work together to find the solution.

Great, great line. Still don't trust her though. :biggrin:

I found it to be like a child to a parent -
I HATE YOU - because she completely lacks all control!

I just wonder - did Sun sneak down and listen - did she suspect Juliet of doing something like that - why else would Juliet close up and look at one last thing AFTER she and Sun left the room -

I hope Sun followed her!

I found it to be like a child to a parent -
I HATE YOU - because she completely lacks all control!

I just wonder - did Sun sneak down and listen - did she suspect Juliet of doing something like that - why else would Juliet close up and look at one last thing AFTER she and Sun left the room -

I hope Sun followed her!

I was hoping she would as well and she had a look on her face like she might be thinking about it, but the last we saw of her, she was heading the other direction. Not that it means she couldn't have turned around, but i have my doubts.

From the moment we seen her gaze into the mirror to song downtown we knew it had to be true. But, i still don't trust her.

The fact that she said it after the tape machine was off tells me that she wishes she could say it to his face. I'm sure it felt good for her to say those words and to imagine saying them to his face and watching his reaction.

I think she really means it in her heart. Maybe she is not such a bad person after all. I am beginning to believe that in the scene where Ben asks her is everything okay that she is pondering how much she really hates Ben for making her lie and deceive people. Oh yeah, she was thinking it and feeling it. Ben should be worried.

I think she is going through the same thing that Des went through, she is ment to sacrifice.
Des, was supposed to sacrifice Penny for Charlie, he was supposed to save him, contrary to what we think, (or what he thought), just as Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Isaac. Penny was the one he cared about, she would have been the proverbial sacrifice. G-d was the one who was supposed to say, "Just kidding, just sacrifice a lamb (Charlie) instead."
Juliet is supposed to sacrifice her sister and stay on the island to do the 'work'...G-d's the one who is supposed to step in with the just kidding thing...then she gets to go home.

Juliet's, "I hate you." was rather friendly to me, not very threatening or angry.
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...opps, she said it after the tape was turned off...what a chicken-liver!

Yeah that was a pretty loaded statement. She seems like a traitor but at the same time wants to help the Losties.

Yeah that was a pretty loaded statement. She seems like a traitor but at the same time wants to help the Losties.

More than anything, I think she wants to help herself.
Getting off the Island is all she cares about, so she gains peoples trust in hopes of using them to her advantage in the future.

" I hate you Ben," was Juliet's way of stating how low she felt being a spy. Her goal in life was to be a good scientist and she took an oath like any doctor. To use other's for Ben's evil purposes is discusting to her.

I felt like Juliet had real concern for Sun and she was moved by Sun's confession. Juliet hates herself but she hates Ben even more.

She's still working for the others, she's still doing bad things to good people.

Also, she has yet to rid herself of that air of arrogance and smugness.

*Cartman voice*: God, I HATE arrogant people

I think that Juliet feels bad for what she is doing, lying to all the survivors and carrying out Ben's dirty work, but she doesn't feel bad enough to not do it!! she is getting something out of it herself and she is more selfish than righteous.

Personnaly i thought she had difficulty to say it...it seems to me that she didn't hate him so much...
i think she's dependant of him and that's what she hates the most.

Man, there sure are a lot of Juliet haters posting on this thread! :cool:

Personally, I have a LOT of respect for Juliet. I think that what she told Sun in the clinic was the truth - maybe not ALL the truth - but I don't think she said one untrue thing to Sun the whole time. I think that when Juliet said that she wanted to see women be happy once again about being pregnant that she was telling us that she is sick of watching her patients die, and dearly wants to save Sun's life.

The reason (I believe) that she said "I hate you" was because she knows that if Ben really wanted to, he could get Sun and send her off the Island so she could have her baby and not die. But we don't know whether it would work out that way or not. Maybe once the woman has conceived on the Island, she would still die even if she was taken away after conception to bring the fetus to full term somewhere else. But if not, then maybe that is why Juliet said that. She hates that Ben is forcing them all to stay on the Island - even at the cost of Sun's and all the previous mothers' lives. I think I'd hate Ben too if I were Juliet.

Now, Juliet HAS been working on a cure for this. They haven't had a chance to really try it yet because Claire's baby was conceived off island. So maybe - just maybe - this new cure will work if they try it on Sun... And because of that, Juliet wants to help Sun, and is willing to let Ben coerce her into treating Sun. It's obvious that if Sun's life is in danger, and the only way to save her without taking her off the Island would be to try this experimental and unproven remedy, then Juliet is willing to go ahead and do this. I think Juliet sincerely wants Sun to be okay - and if she had the opportunity to get Sun off the Island, I think Juliet would try to make it happen if she knew it would help save Sun's life. But given the parameters of her circumstances, Juliet pretty much is being forced by Ben to treat Sun with her experiemental cure.

But Juliet is really really getting sick of seeing her patients die...

Ok your post makes me think of a simple reason why she said she hates him...maybe because he wanted her to be in front of mothers who were dying and he knew she would want to save them...and it means....stay on the island a little more...:rolleyes: and that's what he wanted because i think he loves her and doesn't want her to go... so he found her reason to make her want to stay...that's his thing...remember when he said to jack: "i don't want you to save me i want you to want to save me!" That's exactly the same! he wants Juliet to want to stay!
And i think Juliet knows that.

Ok your post makes me think of a simple reason why she said she hates me...maybe because he wanted her to be in front of mothers who were dying and he knew she would want to save them...and it means....stay on the island a little more...:rolleyes: and that's what he wanted because i think he loves her and doesn't want her to go... so he found her reason to make her want to stay...that's his thing...remember when he said to jack: "i don't want you to save me i want you to want to save me!" That's exactly the same! he wants Juliet to want to stay!
And i think Juliet knows that.

Precisely! :) But, Juliet ALSO knows that Ben has the power and probably the capability of getting Sun and the rest of them off of the Island, if he wanted to. And that might actually save Sun's life, maybe. We don't know if it would or not yet. But Juliet hates that they are forced to stay on this island that is killing expectant mothers, and she hates him for that as well...

To be played for ultimate drama, I predict Juliet will betray the Losties, regret it, and do a final triple-cross on Ben. Best of all worlds.

Precisely! :) But, Juliet ALSO knows that Ben has the power and probably the capability of getting Sun and the rest of them off of the Island, if he wanted to. And that might actually save Sun's life, maybe. We don't know if it would or not yet. But Juliet hates that they are forced to stay on this island that is killing expectant mothers, and she hates him for that as well...

i don't know i love Ben too much to see him as a bad guy!:biggrin: i think maybe it's jacob who wants juliet to stay and Ben didn't decide anything!

The fact that she said it after the tape machine was off tells me that she wishes she could say it to his face. I'm sure it felt good for her to say those words and to imagine saying them to his face and watching his reaction.

Wait - can someone confirm this? I thought she gave her report, stopped the tape, and then started it again and actually recorded the 'I hate you'. Which would be stupid thing to do, because then Ben knows she will betray him if he ever loses his leverage.

Can someone confirm if she recorded the 'I hate you' (I thought she did) or if she just said it out loud?

Wait - can someone confirm this? I thought she gave her report, stopped the tape, and then started it again and actually recorded the 'I hate you'. Which would be stupid thing to do, because then Ben knows she will betray him if he ever loses his leverage.

Can someone confirm if she recorded the 'I hate you' (I thought she did) or if she just said it out loud?

They definitely showed the cassette tape stop. Then she said "I hate you". It was not recording when she said those words.

Yep, and I think that it may even be more problematic than that. Perhaps if she doesn't follow Ben's orders, there will be some consequence that she finds more fearful of. Whatever makes her follow Ben's orders (say like fear for her sister's life or something), it's made her continue to do Ben's bidding, seemingly against her will.
Yes. She probably still has some sort of promise from Ben to send her home or protect her sister.
So even if she's following Ben's orders against her will, she is still very dangerous to the Losties. Look at Michael.

They definitely showed the cassette tape stop. Then she said "I hate you". It was not recording when she said those words.

OK - thanks for the clarification. It completely changes the scene for me, and makes more sense that way.

So, who do you guys think is adding the pressure? Ben pressures Juliet? Or Jacob pressures Ben to pressure Juliet? Because I don't think Ben's all that bad. And what is it exactly that keeps Juliet doing work for the Others? A way to get off the island? Or some other offer she couldn't refuse? Or extortion/threatening?

They definitely showed the cassette tape stop. Then she said "I hate you". It was not recording when she said those words.

Is she saying that she hates Ben, or does she hate herself for what she is doing?

I feel bad for her now. I wasn't sure what to feel before, but now we know she does want to help people and isn't just working for Ben out of pleasure.
Having a conscience, and yet choosing to act against it for your own self-interest is worse, I believe.
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Is she saying that she hates Ben, or does she hate herself for what she is doing?
I think she's pretty clearly fantasizing about saying it into the recorder (to Ben). I also think that this strengthens the position that it's no coincidence that Carrie is her favorite book, and she is going to wig out and go homocidal sooner or later.

So, who do you guys think is adding the pressure? Ben pressures Juliet? Or Jacob pressures Ben to pressure Juliet? Because I don't think Ben's all that bad.

i think and hope it's jacob!
If Ben was really the guy who decides everything why he waited so long to bring jack to save his life? he knew he was ill the day of the crash! And he waited Ethan to kidnap Claire before kidnap jack to make his operation...i would have been him i would have kidnap or even ask nicely to jack first ...and then i will have done all the bad work with pregnant ladies...
We know that jack wasn't on jacob list...so i think ben kidnap jack just for him it wasn't the plan but he included himself jack in the plan for him i suppose...
So i don't think he's the one who decides everything. I think he has to compose with jacob's decisions.

Yes. She probably still has some sort of promise from Ben to send her home or protect her sister.
So even if she's following Ben's orders against her will, she is still very dangerous to the Losties. Look at Michael.

Yes! So even though we can sympathize, she at least knows she's being manipulated. And however sad her story is, she is still a threat to the Losties, and those are the characters that I am far more attached to.

This scene makes me think back to the video where Juliette asks Jack to kill Ben. My initial reaction to that episode was that she really was asking him to kill Ben, but for a while now, I've been convinced that it was actually some part of Ben's plan to manipulate a/o test Jack.

But after last night, I'm beginning to once again think that Juliette really was trying to get Jack to kill Ben.

This scene makes me think back to the video where Juliette asks Jack to kill Ben. My initial reaction to that episode was that she really was asking him to kill Ben, but for a while now, I've been convinced that it was actually some part of Ben's plan to manipulate a/o test Jack.

But after last night, I'm beginning to once again think that Juliette really was trying to get Jack to kill Ben.

I'm still thinking it was part of ben's plan because juliet knew jack and knew that he would never kill a patient! She proved during the operation that she knew that!
So why even ask?
And she seems to struggle a little before saying "i hate you" and the recorder is off so it's not because she's scared he can hear it!

I was glad she said it. I think she's not as bad as you think. If you watch the scene again at the end of One of Us, she just seems like she's going along with Ben to get herself with the Losties and away from the Others.

Ben clearly is has something on Juliet. Maybe he as somehow control over her sister or over her nephew: "If you don't obey me, I'll have the killed or something like that." She is obviously under duress and forced to cooperate.

Without a doubt my least favorite moment in this series. Why? Predictable and expositional.

Juliet tells Sun, "Oh, let me go make sure everything is okay down there. Do you want to stay up here?" Sun, who trusts Juliet oh-so-much now, stays upstairs so conveniently. Cue the sinister music. Juliet ominously makes her way down the stairs. Don't we all know that she is up to something no good and secretive?

And then she says "I hate you" after the tape recorder is turned off. My three year old says that under his breath. A fertility doctor? That line was SOOOOOOO EXPOSITIONAL! Let us show you how she really feels as she speaks to no one.

GRRRRR!!!!!

(Loved the rest of the episode though.)

It was a good decision by the writers to add in the "I hate you" line, if only to clarify her true stance/allegiance. She was becoming a very wishy-washy character and it was becoming dififcult to understand whose side she was really on. Characters that "change sides" too many times in a drama become unbelieveable imo.

Now at least we know shes sincere, even her work is dubious. Nice work, writers.

It was a good decision by the writers to add in the "I hate you" line, if only to clarify her true stance/allegiance. She was becoming a very wishy-washy character and it was becoming dififcult to understand whose side she was really on. Characters that "change sides" too many times in a drama become unbelieveable imo.

Now at least we know shes sincere, even her work is dubious. Nice work, writers.

Yeah, sorry, I don't need to know whose side she's on. I like the mystery. I have the patience to let it play out. I don't need to be told to "root" for anyone.

She wasn't wishy-washy, she was mysterious and complex. Just like Sawyer and Kate and Locke and Jin and Charlie and Jack (now).

I'm not saying that she shouldn't have those feelings or that we shouldn't learn them at some point, but it was handled so poorly and clunky. Who stares into space and says outloud "I hate you." There's nothing worse than a character who speaks outloud to nobody.

Yeah, sorry, I don't need to know whose side she's on. I like the mystery. I have the patience to let it play out. I don't need to be told to "root" for anyone.

I don't think this line tells us anything new about who's "side" she is on. She's on her own side, and that's been clear to me for a while. She's going along with Ben because its the only way to acheive her selfish end.

I think this line was good to clear exactly that up. It doesn't tell us how she feels about the Losties (does she wish she could actually help? or does she not care at all about them), and it doesn't really indicate her future actions. It simply clears up the issue of how she feels about Ben, something that has been a little on the ambiguous side until now.

And really, I like the mystery too, but at some point they've got to give us information that leads towards SOLVING the mystery. This is one of those moments. We learned something about Juliette that we'll need to know for whatever comes.

To be played for ultimate drama, I predict Juliet will betray the Losties, regret it, and do a final triple-cross on Ben. Best of all worlds.

I'm gonna take that prediction one step further and say Juliet will betray the Losties, regret it, and betray Ben and in doing so will hammer nails in her own coffin.
Juliet is playing a very dangerous game being piggy in the middle. If she is indeed deceiving both the Losties and the Others one or the other will catch her out.
Now is Juliets chance to come clean, but I fear she will come clean to late and no-one will beleive her.

I don't think this line tells us anything new about who's "side" she is on. She's on her own side, and that's been clear to me for a while. She's going along with Ben because its the only way to acheive her selfish end.

EXACTLY!!! You were able to infer that without the "I hate you" line. I knew that too. The scenes we had seen with Ben told us all of this. Which is exactly why this line was not needed. Who needs cut and dried "confirmation"?

she might hate ben, but i am in looooooooove with her..lol

Yeah, sorry, I don't need to know whose side she's on. I like the mystery. I have the patience to let it play out. I don't need to be told to "root" for anyone.

She wasn't wishy-washy, she was mysterious and complex. Just like Sawyer and Kate and Locke and Jin and Charlie and Jack (now).

I'm not saying that she shouldn't have those feelings or that we shouldn't learn them at some point, but it was handled so poorly and clunky. Who stares into space and says outloud "I hate you." There's nothing worse than a character who speaks outloud to nobody.

I understand your qualms about the delivery of the line (definitely kind of cheesy), but I disagree that her character was complex. Couldnt disagree more. After 20 episodes, her character had become TOO unpredictable - to the point that she became wholly unbelievable and annoying to watch. In less than a full season she went from:

1) Being a new "other" at the start of the season
2) To being Jacks ally that plans on overthrowing Ben
3) To being an other (again) who is setting Jack up for failure
4) To being a friend that saves Claires life
5) To being an other who is working with Ben to infiltrate the Losties Camp

Thats too much movement in one season. At some point, the character loses credibility. Thats why the "I hate you" line was necessary. Im not saying she cant veer from that stance (not at all), but as a viewer its important that characters have some kind of baseline for departure. Otherwise, the characters "complexity" deteriotates into "ambiguity". Thats how I see it anyway.

Those were such powerful words! I definitely feel Ben is holding a lot over Juliet's head... more than we even know. And darnit, I never trusted her and never liked her but this episode made me like her and start to trust her. And that right there makes me not trust her! Oh this show hurts my head...

She's still working for the others, she's still doing bad things to good people.

What, like trying to save Sun and her baby? Juliette's work is mutually beneficial for everyone on the island.

I understand your qualms about the delivery of the line (definitely kind of cheesy), but I disagree that her character was complex. Couldnt disagree more. After 20 episodes, her character had become TOO unpredictable - to the point that she became wholly unbelievable and annoying to watch. In less than a full season she went from:

1) Being a new "other" at the start of the season
2) To being Jacks ally that plans on overthrowing Ben
3) To being an other (again) who is setting Jack up for failure
4) To being a friend that saves Claires life
5) To being an other who is working with Ben to infiltrate the Losties Camp

Thats too much movement in one season. At some point, the character loses credibility. Thats why the "I hate you" line was necessary. Im not saying she cant veer from that stance (not at all), but as a viewer its important that characters have some kind of baseline for departure. Otherwise, the characters "complexity" deteriotates into "ambiguity". Thats how I see it anyway.

Note that your 1-5 recap is still all motivated by one thing: Her desire to get off the island. Every character has a motivation. It's what makes them go on. And anyone who didn't see Juliet deceiving everyone through Claire was in complete denial on the basis of wanting to like her.

Over and over again she has been out for herself. Think of the sign she wrote to Jack about killing Ben. And then denying it. This is Juliet! This has always been Juliet! So where has her credibility been lost or slipped into ambiguity? She is the same character with the same motives since she began.

I'm amazed at how opposite I am from most people on this thread regarding this poorly conceived and delivered line.

In my opinion it is very simple: Juliet hates Ben for making her WANT to stay on the Island.

In my opinion it is very simple: Juliet hates Ben for making her WANT to stay on the Island.

I slight, yet significant, difference! (Still despise the line though!)

Yeah, sorry, I don't need to know whose side she's on. I like the mystery. I have the patience to let it play out. I don't need to be told to "root" for anyone.

She wasn't wishy-washy, she was mysterious and complex. Just like Sawyer and Kate and Locke and Jin and Charlie and Jack (now).

I'm not saying that she shouldn't have those feelings or that we shouldn't learn them at some point, but it was handled so poorly and clunky. Who stares into space and says outloud "I hate you." There's nothing worse than a character who speaks outloud to nobody.

Somebody should've told Shakespeare that. He could've cut out all those clunky monologues.;)

Even though we now know for sure that Juliet hates Ben, we still don't know whether she'll ever act on it. So there's plenty of mystery left. As another poster said, remember Michael, who did plenty of damage to the losties without, I'm sure, any love of Ben or any motivation other than getting off the island with Walt.

What, like trying to save Sun and her baby? Juliette's work is mutually beneficial for everyone on the island.

Juliette doing something bad to help the losties: 1

Juliette doing something bad just to screw them over and help herself: 15326




What about injecting and activating a virus in Claire just as a mean to deceive the losties? What about the countless other things she's done, directly and indirectly, to the losties?


So she's got some family who misses her and she wants off the island badly. Big deal, so does every one else.

Besides, how come no-one has mentioned that Juliette's desire to leave the island isn't as valid as the losties.
They never signed up for any of this. They don't get to live in a cushy island suburbia with whith well-kept lawns and neighborhood book clubs.

Um, did any of you think that perhaps they implanted Juliet, like the implant that is in Claire, etc? I don't think it's just "i want off the island, i will do whatever i have to" although i think that's part of it for sure. But... "you don't do what I want, and I'll kill you" is much more "persuasive." I think Juliet has been a rogue Other for awhile now. Especially after what we saw in one of us. She has every reason to hate Ben, and to want off the island, but doing this? There's more to it. Either there's an implant, so she has to choose to do what he wants or die, or else something else equally as poignant, that we don't know about yet.

Without a doubt my least favorite moment in this series. Why? Predictable and expositional.

Juliet tells Sun, "Oh, let me go make sure everything is okay down there. Do you want to stay up here?" Sun, who trusts Juliet oh-so-much now, stays upstairs so conveniently. Cue the sinister music. Juliet ominously makes her way down the stairs. Don't we all know that she is up to something no good and secretive?

And then she says "I hate you" after the tape recorder is turned off. My three year old says that under his breath. A fertility doctor? That line was SOOOOOOO EXPOSITIONAL! Let us show you how she really feels as she speaks to no one.

GRRRRR!!!!!

(Loved the rest of the episode though.)

That's exactly why i don't buy it! This is too easy!
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What, like trying to save Sun and her baby? Juliette's work is mutually beneficial for everyone on the island.

Exactly ...and i think we should all thanks Ben for that...:biggrin: because he seems to be the one who forced her to do that!
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In my opinion it is very simple: Juliet hates Ben for making her WANT to stay on the Island.

Once again, i agree with you on that. ;)

Um, did any of you think that perhaps they implanted Juliet, like the implant that is in Claire, etc? I don't think it's just "i want off the island, i will do whatever i have to" although i think that's part of it for sure. But... "you don't do what I want, and I'll kill you" is much more "persuasive." I think Juliet has been a rogue Other for awhile now. Especially after what we saw in one of us. She has every reason to hate Ben, and to want off the island, but doing this? There's more to it. Either there's an implant, so she has to choose to do what he wants or die, or else something else equally as poignant, that we don't know about yet.
I'm not sure if the implants are actually deadly. Even if they are, Juliet knows how to use the vaccine like she did with Claire, so she could use it on herself or find someone to do it to her. I actually have a little suspicion that Mikhail had an implant that he triggered to make it look like the sonic fence killed him. They seem like little helpful tools the Others use (along the lines of their costumes) and nothing too dangerous. Just my opinion.

"I Hate You" By far my favorite line of the night. Those 3 little words say a lot! Now I wonder What Exactly is he making her do? What does she have to do to get off that island! Micheal ended up having to kill 2 people!:eek2:

Michael didn't have to kill anyone - that was his choice.He was asked to rescue Henry and retrieve the names on the list. What he did in order to achieve that was entirely his own idea and choice.

Michael didn't have to kill anyone - that was his choice.He was asked to rescue Henry and retrieve the names on the list. What he did in order to achieve that was entirely his own idea and choice.

i completely agree with you!;)

This is going to be quite cool, when Juilet is found about being a spy, she'll try to convince that she will betraying Ben.

I hate you...but I make all you said......

Having a conscience, and yet choosing to act against it for your own self-interest is worse, I believe.


Well she wants to get home to see her sister and take care of her and such. though I guess she doesn't need to anymore since she supposedly doesn't have cancer anymore.

After she clicked the corder off the first time, she put it near her face again to say 'I hate you', but I never heard the corder click on again. I really don't think she's dumb enough to let Ben know she has that much angry passion in her. She'd be giving any hidden agendas away. She'd be giving him the upper hand, and she know's how slick he is, with out any foreknowledge.
I think she was just wishfully venting, posturing as if she was saying so he could hear her.

After she clicked the corder off the first time, she put it near her face again to say 'I hate you', but I never heard the corder click on again. I really don't think she's dumb enough to let Ben know she has that much angry passion in her. She'd be giving any hidden agendas away. She'd be giving him the upper hand, and she know's how slick he is, with out any foreknowledge.
I think she was just wishfully venting, posturing as if she was saying so he could hear her.


lamonthemanifest - I agree, and to build on that -it is an indication that Juliette does have a hidden agenda and she has something planned for Ben. Now that Ben doesn't have to go through with letting her off the island to maintain his postion as head Other, (remember he only did it because he promised to in the OR and the rest of the Others knew it ), he is never going to let her go even if he had another way off the island without the sub and she knows it and he probably thinks she knows it. There is a game going on between the two of them and it is all going to bust loose in 3 episodes. And my guess is that Jack is planning his own response to whatever Ben and Juliette got going. How this all goes down is not a theory I have yet.

Michael didn't have to kill anyone - that was his choice.He was asked to rescue Henry and retrieve the names on the list. What he did in order to achieve that was entirely his own idea and choice.


I agree with you, I should have worded it diffently. What I meant was, What is she willing to do? How far will she go to acomplish whatever her mission is to get off that island. If someone gets in her way will she make the same choice Micheal did? Ben seems to be using her sister to manipulate her the same way he used Walt to manipulate Micheal. It'll be intresting to see how she handles the similar situation.

I found it to be like a child to a parent -
I HATE YOU - because she completely lacks all control!
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EXCELLENT! You know, "Ok, I'll get you another fetus and kill this woman, ok, I hate what you make me do, you know, kill all these people all the time, grrr, I hate you Ben, who do I have to kill next?" I mean at some point on this island there is suicide and Juliet is still willing to hurt others so she can survive rather than end her life. We've got some weird battered woman syndrome/ Stockholm Syndrome around here. I'm not suggesting that Juliet needs to commit suicide or that suicide is acceptable outside of drama (it's not), but she's like a concentration camp guard beating up inmates while getting pushed around by the SS.
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Michael didn't have to kill anyone - that was his choice.He was asked to rescue Henry and retrieve the names on the list. What he did in order to achieve that was entirely his own idea and choice.

It was his choice, but his idea? I am pretty convinced that when we see his flashback- which would be a killer opener for season 4- that we'll see Ben drop hints about killing his nemesis Ana Lucia. Libby was Michael's accident though.

Don

I thought this was really interesting because she is now entering the phase (I don't know if there's a psychological label for it) of acting out fantasies of her hatred -- even if it's just the fantasy of pretending to record a message. When you think about it, that's pretty twisted to be in a place where you have to do that. After seeing that, I have little doubt that she's headed down a path to a Carrie-like explosion of homocidal rage against Ben.

I thought this was really interesting because she is now entering the phase (I don't know if there's a psychological label for it) of acting out fantasies of her hatred -- even if it's just the fantasy of pretending to record a message. When you think about it, that's pretty twisted to be in a place where you have to do that. After seeing that, I have little doubt that she's headed down a path to a Carrie-like explosion of homocidal rage against Ben.

Absolutely.

Juliet came to the island as a meek but dedicated researcher. After 6 months some of her patients died and she was told she couldn't go home til her job was done. Then she was told her sister's cancer had returned and that if she 'agreed' to stay on the island, the cancer would be cured. Then, on the day of the crash, she's shown her sister and the little nephew she'd never seen. (This last incident alone is more than blackmail, it's torment.) Juliet's personality had already changed by the time we met her, so who knows what else she's been through.

The fact that she said 'I hate you', in such an emotionless voice is probably the best indication we've had that she's pretty close to the edge. (Think back to the apparent calm of some recent killers.) And I think she felt close to Sun after their interaction.

So I say: Yup, she's gonna look for some payback with Ben.