After re-watching tonight's eppy, many things struck me as odd. First off, when Hurley fires the flare gun by mistake, who comes running? Mikael? Odd not only because he is supposed to be dead, but because he came running from God knows where. Like he was expecting someone to fire the flare gun...
Next, he amazingly not only speaks Russian and English, but Italian too! How convenient, but odd...
That you know who would tell Hurley flight 815 was found with no survivors was very strange too...yep, it was. Why?

Well, it really looks like what Desmond saw in his puzzle flashes wasnt Penny, nor was it rescue, but some Other we never saw before until the last two episodes. I dont see any other reason for Mikael to have come running like he did. She was perhaps instructed to fire the flare if she didnt land on target or was injured and someone would come and get her.

IMHO, her role was to deliver that last line..."Flight 815 was found, and they're all dead. There were no survivors."

Ben has moved his people for some important reason. So they must have comitted on never leaving the Island. Think of the effect of that line on the Lostees...Either they,ll go insane or they'll simply give up hope. That's got to set things up for something big to come, dont you think?

I can buy this idea. I don't think it was a coincidence that Mikail got there that quickly. I think he was waiting for her.

It seems like a setup. Ben is massing his troops I think. Then they'll attempt to purge the island again, maybe

I don't think it's odd that he speaks Italian, too. He wasn't put in the communication station for nothing. He'd have to be multi-lingual so he could communicate with anyone he needed to.

I agree Eric,...but the final con? IMO the whole show has been one Long Con,...

I am of the opinion that it's a re-do of the Truman Show,...and I am praying that I am wrong, but this epi was just too coincidental.

I'll keep watching to see if the writers can change the course that I think they are on,...but sometimes all it is for them is the $$$.

We'll see,...

IMHO, her role was to deliver that last line..."Flight 815 was found, and they're all dead. There were no survivors."

I have a feeling you are dead on.

Crap. I totally agree with this. I can see this being true. That totally changes my opinion I expressed in my other posts. Oh well, they are all still possible.

From what you said, I can see the course of Lost going that way. Then again, there are a couple of other believable theories.

Does anybody else remember S2's line: THEY ARE NOT THE SURVIVORS. THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE.???????

Hold on to your horses folks!

We don't know that much. Let's not read into the scene what we think might be the worst.

She just woke up, doesn't know Hurley from a hole in the ground, is probably a little groggy, and so far we don't know how she knows that.

If she is a plant of the Others, we will find out soon enough when we hear her speak and her rational for thinking that there were no survivors.

Me? I can wait until next week to find out. Then I will use my powers of retro-clairvoyance to tell ya'll what happen this week. Which in one week will be "last week".


Def: Retro-clairvoyance is the ablity to witness an event and then explain what just happened. I (PapaThor) have this rare ablity and so do a few other people.

Two things that stood out:

* Mikhail was on the scene in a flash as soon as Hurley fired the flare.

* Mikhail specifically asked if *you know who* had anything on her.

I'm not sold on *you know who* being a plant, but it sure seems that Mikhail had an inkling someone was arriving, and he also had an idea that the person in question would have something of interest.

Another thing I thought was odd was that Mikhail specifically asked to "disappear." He wanted no record of his little powwow with Desmond and Co. Who did he not want to know he was alive? Juliet? Ben? *You know who*? Is Mikhail operating as a free agent? If the Losties think he was dead-maybe the Others do as well? I wouldn't be surprised if Mikhail also wants off the Island, which seems to be a common theme amongst the Others.

I am confused who is you know who?

I think Mikael definitely was looking for her. He asked if she had anything on her because she was bringing him not only the phone for new communications (post flame) but the photo. The photo would be the equivalent of the monitors in the flame. If this is true though. You would think that they would have a full file and not just a single photo.

Did Mikhael take the parachutist's radio? Someone in another thread suggested her role was to deliver that device to help restore communications. But then why the Des/Penny picture? My crazy theory is she was sent by Widmore to help the Others restore communication, and the picture was provided so she would know who to kill (Desmond, as per Widmore's wishes).

"You know who" is the parachutist, aka "This name is a spoiler until we learn it in an ep."

But then why the Des/Penny picture?

She was bringing intel for Mikael perhaps?

She knew Des, but not Hurley. I think this shows she was sent by Penny. Why would she say Des name if she is an other?

She's PRETENDING not to know Hurley--or the 815'ers.

Mikhail was WAITING for the flare signal. Of course, Naomi was the one who was supposed to fire it. But since Mikhail was the one who could save her life, it's a good thing Hurley accidentally fired it!

If the Others didn't know about Desmond before, they do now. This whole thing just REEKS of set-up!!

Who says that Patchy only stole the phone? Didn't he say something like he had to try? Does anyone else see that as a 'well you caught me red handed, my bad' as he hides whatever he came for? Who's to say that Desmond is the only one with the future flashes? If he got it by shooting himself up with the 'antidote' in the hatch for 3 years, which is my theory, maybe Patchy has something similar.

Kinda explains why Klugh was so ready to get shot if Patchy is still alive.

Just some thoughts.

IMO Kelvin is alive also. Mikhail, Kelvin and parachutist are advancing to the end of the season. Desmond IMO is preprogrammed and will serve some as yet unknown task. The ending with Hurley was a mental thing. Hugo's mental illines is still active.

Maybe Patchy just saw the helicopter go down and the beacon like the others and was investigating. A whole day had passed since that occurred, enough to run out there and try to find her.

Just playing Devil's Advocate.

(I'm in the Penny sent her camp)

She's PRETENDING not to know Hurley--or the 815'ers.

Mikhail was WAITING for the flare signal. Of course, Naomi was the one who was supposed to fire it. But since Mikhail was the one who could save her life, it's a good thing Hurley accidentally fired it!

If the Others didn't know about Desmond before, they do now. This whole thing just REEKS of set-up!!

Good point. Remember how Juliet stared ( dark and evil ) at Desmond while fixing her tent? Why do you think she did that? Its because they dont know anything about Desmond. No files, no reports, no blood type, no She is Happy's. Nothing.

Ben, as we know, loves mind games and loves to get peoples weakness, esp emotional ones! Therefor I think its one of his mind games to control Desmond and get to know him.

Mikhail's lost. He was probably out for a few days and when he came too he'd have wandered up to Othersville to find that everyone had left. I think he followed the flare in the sky hoping that he'd find some of the Others (we don't know how long passed between the flare being fired and him getting there). That is why he looks kind of surprised and then runs when he sees who he's stumbled upon.

The thing with him asking about you know who, I think the Others know someone is looking for the island (as in Penny) and they are trying to stop them from finding it.

Maybe that's why Ben put doubt in Locke's mind about the button and had him cut off communications. I think it was their plan to cut off all communications or at least any way of anyone from the outside happening upon the island. They don't want anyone to find them and I think Mikhail/The Others have been expecting someone to arrive from the outside world.

I can buy this idea. I don't think it was a coincidence that Mikail got there that quickly. I think he was waiting for her.


Isn't it possible that mikail seen the helicopter/whatever come down like the losties did and he tracked it down like they did also,just he was a little slower at getting there than them ,and when Hurley fired the flairgun mikail assumed it was the pilot

Isn't it possible that mikail seen the helicopter/whatever come down like the losties did and he tracked it down like they did also,just he was a little slower at getting there than them ,and when Hurley fired the flairgun mikail assumed it was the pilot

Sure it's possible...I thought it myself. However when he was conversing with the parachutist lady in another language it reminded me of his interaction with Klugh. And I like the idea that she is another Other. It goes along with my general feeling about Penny's connections to the island (this isn't the place for an explanation)...so I am going with this idea since it is more interesting/fitting to me.

One question... if they want to convince the Losties of anything, why the large setup with the crashing helicpoter and the unconscious parachutist in a tree? Why not just have her walk up on them in her parachuting gear right away?

I can buy this idea. I don't think it was a coincidence that Mikail got there that quickly. I think he was waiting for her.

Don't you think it's possible that anyone, not just Des, Charlie, Jin and Hurley, were able to see the red beacon falling from the sky in Catch 22 and hear the helicopter? Mikhail probably was doing the exact same thing as the Losties which was searching in the general vicinity of the landing site of the red beacon. Once Hurley shot the flare the search became that much easier.

Besides, she sounded surprised to hear about survivors of 815. Rememeber, she is there looking for Des, not the flight 815 Survivors.

No one can find you if no one is looking for you. The report that 815 was found without survivors was probably a Hanso Foundation plant and fabrication.

Don't you think it's possible that anyone, not just Des, Charlie, Jin and Hurley, were able to see the red beacon falling from the sky in Catch 22 and hear the helicopter? Mikhail probably was doing the exact same thing as the Losties which was searching in the general vicinity of the landing site of the red beacon. Once Hurley shot the flare the search became that much easier.

Besides, she sounded surprised to hear about survivors of 815. Rememeber, she is there looking for Des, not the flight 815 Survivors.

No one can find you if no one is looking for you. The report that 815 was found without survivors was probably a Hanso Foundation plant and fabrication.

Totally think it's possible. I am so open minded when it comes to this show. I can even buy that Mikail is the smoke monster or that the girl is from the future. My point is that I, me, myself, my personal opinion is that I like the idea that she is with the Others and that was my reasoning why, besides my gut instinct telling me that she was with them. I accept that fact that I could be totally wrong and could care less that I probably am most likely wrong. But to me, it just looked really fishy. :biggrin:

Two things that stood out:

* Mikhail was on the scene in a flash as soon as Hurley fired the flare.

* Mikhail specifically asked if *you know who* had anything on her.

I'm not sold on *you know who* being a plant, but it sure seems that Mikhail had an inkling someone was arriving, and he also had an idea that the person in question would have something of interest.

Another thing I thought was odd was that Mikhail specifically asked to "disappear." He wanted no record of his little powwow with Desmond and Co. Who did he not want to know he was alive? Juliet? Ben? *You know who*? Is Mikhail operating as a free agent? If the Losties think he was dead-maybe the Others do as well? I wouldn't be surprised if Mikhail also wants off the Island, which seems to be a common theme amongst the Others.

Like a few other posters, I agree that Mikhai could have seen the helicopter. We know that the cord from the ocean is near Danielle's place and that Danielle is pretty close to the Flame. Mikhail may have been right near the Flame (checking on his animals or something), looked up and saw the helicopter, made his way to where he thought is might be, was very close when Hurley set off the flare, and came a running.

Also, Mikhail was a solitary man. He wanted to be left alone. Even when Ben and Juliet went to see him, Ben had to tell him not to shoot. Mikhail is sort of a free agent 99% of the time, but has an extreme loyalty to the Others.

Mikhail might prove to be one of the more interesting people on the island.

I doubt she's an Other, but maybe she knows about them. Penny and the Widmores must know SOMETHING about the island, otherwise they wouldn' t be trying to hone in on it with Portugese people stationed in the Arctic somewhere. Pirates don't go looking for treasure if they don't know the possibility of some being there. KWIM?

I agree, she wasn't looking for survivors of 815. She was sent by Penny and the Widmores to find Desmond. She figured he'd be on an island that is nearly impossible to get to. So, yes, I think they took a boat as far as they could, then the helicopter - knowing that it would probably crash, so they had the parachuter (nice slip of the spoiler with the period, BTW) all outrigged with a beacon and flare. I think they expected the Parachuter to crash, maybe even expected her to run into the Others. I just don't think they expected her to get gravely injured in the process... which was kind of a stupid possibility to rule out.

I doubt she's an Other, but maybe she knows about them. Penny and the Widmores must know SOMETHING about the island, otherwise they wouldn' t be trying to hone in on it with Portugese people stationed in the Arctic somewhere. Pirates don't go looking for treasure if they don't know the possibility of some being there. KWIM?

I agree, she wasn't looking for survivors of 815. She was sent by Penny and the Widmores to find Desmond. She figured he'd be on an island that is nearly impossible to get to. So, yes, I think they took a boat as far as they could, then the helicopter - knowing that it would probably crash, so they had the parachuter (nice slip of the spoiler with the period, BTW) all outrigged with a beacon and flare. I think they expected the Parachuter to crash, maybe even expected her to run into the Others. I just don't think they expected her to get gravely injured in the process... which was kind of a stupid possibility to rule out.

Excellent! Better grasp of the eppy I think!

It's still is a devastating revelation to the Lostees that the plane was found, but it sure hints at the fact that Mr Widmore may be behind financing Mittlelos*(spelling?) and could be the one supplying the food and medical drops! Good job MtnGrlbytheBay!

And yes, I think they expected her to crash. I rewatched the season's premiere in french on Radio-Canada and I noticed two things about the crash sequence from the Others point of view I didnt see before...The jet's exhaust trail is very short, and the jet's engine noise instantly appears out of nowhere after the earthquake settles in Othersville. If that doesnt mean something's shielding the Island, than I dont know what is. But whatever it is, it still works and doesnt need the numbered sequence or a computer to fonction.

Just a reminder but didn't we get confirmation from TPTB that *she* is definitely brand new to the island, just arrived? I mean I guess that *she* could still be an Other but I just wanted to remind you guys of that.