Well previous polls I've had have shown people think that Sayid is the best fighter on the island. (Even though I disagree ^.^) People say this based simply on the fact he had military training.

In any event, after seeing both Sayid and Jin fight Mikhail who do you think would win? Jin or Sayid?

Not to mention we can note jin has taken out the most people on and off island. at least in hand to hand. heh.

Yeah that was awesome when Jin kicked Mikhael right in the face! Like some sort of roundhouse kick. It reminded me of karate or kung-fu, but I didn't want to encourage an asian stereotype so I didn't say that out loud! After this episode, I think Jin is the best fighter on the island!

Didn't it take Sayid, Kate and Locke to bring down Mikhail?

I still think Eko was the strongest of them all.

I needed to give Jin some love on my 2,000th post. As I said in the poll, Jin is definitely the best fighter on the island. Go Jin! :heart:

I still think Eko was the strongest of them all.

Exactly what I was going to say! He definitely had the most strength, but I don't think he could move as quickly as Jin would. Sayid and Eko had a great mini-battle in "Collision" I believe. Jin, Sayid, and Eko are the top three in my opinion. Oh, and I actually think Jin would narrowly beat out Sayid. :biggrin: Mikhail is pretty tough himself.

I needed to give Jin some love on my 2,000th post.

Congrats on your 2,000th post! ;)

lol sawyer still knocked jin out tho. ^.^ but i think jin could take sayid.

I knew my vote for Jin in the "Who is the island's top fighter" thread wasn't in vain. Jin all the way. :biggrin:

We call this bench racing in the car enthusiast world. It's sad there too. :biggrin:
100%
My answer: whoever the writers would want to win, as they are fictional characters.

I needed to give Jin some love on my 2,000th post. As I said in the poll, Jin is definitely the best fighter on the island. Go Jin! :heart:

Congrats on 2000, lostgurl! :biggrin: I'm working on 400.:rolleyes:
I think this episode is the first time we learned that Jin was in the Korean Army. In an earlier post tonight I asked where he learned his "kung fu" fighting skills. I had forgotten the conversation between Sun and Jin when his army service was mentioned. Jin vs Sayid?? Whoa! It wouldn't be pretty but I think Jin would prevail.

Yeah that was awesome when Jin kicked Mikhael right in the face! Like some sort of roundhouse kick.

Chuck Norris could kick Mikhael so hard, that he would go crosseyed, despite having one eye.

I needed to give Jin some love on my 2,000th post. Go Jin! :heart:
Congrats on movin up to the big stars, lostgurl!!!

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Well, did we really learn that Jin was in the army, or was he telling a different lie to cover up when he said his dad died? After all, she reminded him that he told her his dad died when he was 16, which is too young to be in the military, but when asked about his dad again tonight, he claimed it happened during his service. So, is the service real and he's just not keeping good track of the lie of when his dad died (personally, I'd just pick a date and stick with it, rather than an event that's easy to forget) or did he lie about being in the military as well?


Of course, in Korea, military service is compulsory for all males and must be completed by a certain age, much as it is in Israel.


Oh, and on the fight scene, Daniel Dae Kim has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do, and that kick to Mikhail's face was a Jumping, Spinning Back Kick, and was very well executed. I wasn't sure if he still trained or not, since he's so busy acting, but then again, it's an awesome way to stay in shape so chances are he still get's some training in. And a fight coordinator is not going to turn down a chance to use an actors skill set, so I loved Daniel's use of blocks, punches and the kicks.

Eko and Jin would make one heck of a tag-time, thats for sure.

Am I the only one who screamed "Thats Right" after the roundhouse kick to the face lmao. I'm prettty sure that despite this episodes massive revelations that we have learned, watching Jin kick A$$ was the best.

Jin without a doubt. I'm glad TPTB showed Jin doing more than just fishing. More Jin please!

Well I never want to see these two fight like that! I love Jin, I think he was really kickin some serious butt last night!! I have to go with Sayid though, he's one of my favorites and he can throw some punches as well.

I still think Eko was the strongest of them all.

Gotta agree there. Eko got punched by Jin and just smiled. Of course he then head-butted Jin to the ground quite effortlessly.

Also, Eko was the only Lostie that really scared Ben Linus (Fenry Gale at the time).

Jin vs. Sayid....why would those two ever fight each other?!!

eko didnt smile when jin punched him, it hurt him, and he wiped blood off of his face.

and a headbutt hurts alot more than a punch.

Also, Eko was the only Lostie that really scared Ben Linus (Fenry Gale at the time).

Im pretty sure Sayid scared the crap out of Ben during the tourture. When he broke out the pliers. My god, that was fear in his eyes.

Remember that episode where you see Jin with his shirt off. He is in the best shape physically and he knows a martial art, not just military. I think Sayid would lose, although he is still hard.

I hope these two never fight each other, but if they did it would be a pretty even fight. The difference would be what inspired the fight or what they are fighting for/against.

In the fight with Sawyer (S1), we see Sayid is more of a classically trained boxer, and Sawyer a brawler. But Sayid held his own very well against Eko in S2, and may even have beaten him if not for Ana-Lucia. Jin is a good fighter, trained in Tae Kwon Do, but didn't fare as well against Eko back in season two. And Sayid has much more military experience.

I say Sayid.

Didn't it take Sayid, Kate and Locke to bring down Mikhail?

I still think Eko was the strongest of them all.

seriously he killed two people at the same time, thats gotta be worth something.

Jin kicked Mikhails a** sayid didn't do it, it took locke with a gun to stop him, Jin is the best fighter.

Sayid had just been shot within that same hour, might have made a little bit of a difference.

Still agreed with most that Eko was top dog on the island when he was around. Jin definitely showed us last night that he belongs up in the top tier though.

Don't any of you remember in 'Orientation' when Eko kicked Jin, Sawyer, and Michael's butt easily? I'll take him any day.

Jack, by his very status as the main protagonist on Lost, is the strongest of them all.
Remember, Jack's got Carlton, Damon and the entire Lost writing staff choreographing and authoring his fights. :rolleyes:

Jin would win...if he's got the bravery to hit Ecko and know we know he's got the moves too....yeah, he would definitely win.

Don't any of you remember in 'Orientation' when Eko kicked Jin, Sawyer, and Michael's butt easily? I'll take him any day.

Well he did use a weapon (his stick). I'm sure he really didn't even need it anyway. Eko can kick some serious arse.

Jack, by his very status as the main protagonist on Lost, is the strongest of them all.
Remember, Jack's got Carlton, Damon and the entire Lost writing staff choreographing and authoring his fights. :rolleyes:

Plus, Jack has stubble, which doubles his manly strength. Full beards like Desmond and Sayid, or clean faces like Jin must bow to the stubbled one:cool:

Well he did use a weapon (his stick). I'm sure he really didn't even need it anyway. Eko can kick some serious arse.

let us not forget jin was sitll half tied up, and had almost drowned to death after washing up on shore in addition to Eko's stick weilding powers.

Without a weapon I would go with Jin. But both Sayid and Jin are kick-*** characters. As for D.O.C, my favorite line was Jin's.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/474275048_aae6a8138e_m.jpg
Phone!

Is Desmond deaf, Jin kept yelling it even as he was chasing Patchy!


however, I still bow to the stubbled one.

Well that depends on how you look at it. IMO Sayid in more cunning. So no matter the circumstance, if Sayid could get the upper-hand by having a hidden weapon or getting Mikhail into a lock-hold, Sayid would definitely have the upper-hand.

On sheer hand-to-hand combat, Jin would probably win. But he would bring the victim home to Sayid to take care of.

Jin is king. He can take care of himself....what a great character too!

Jack, by his very status as the main protagonist on Lost, is the strongest of them all.
Remember, Jack's got Carlton, Damon and the entire Lost writing staff choreographing and authoring his fights. :rolleyes:

hehehehe, very droll :)

but true.. the winner of any fight will be the one that moves the story along in the right direction. so we can't base our speculation *entirely* on specific fights. i'm gonna go with jin beating sayid in hand-to-hand combat (but definitely close) and eko beating anyone. eko had that killer instinct.

I was ignoring all of the above points about it taking 3 people to take Mikhail, despite Sayid mostly taking him himself despite just being shot in the arm!! But this one really bothered me. Do you not remember Jin hit Eko and was quickly taken down. BUT Sayid also had the bravery to hit Eko, and not only that, he almost beat him too! Jin was being destroyed until he got that kick in IMO. Sayid, without a doubt, would win.Jin would win...if he's got the bravery to hit Ecko and know we know he's got the moves too....yeah, he would definitely win.

I was ignoring all of the above points about it taking 3 people to take Mikhail, despite Sayid mostly taking him himself despite just being shot in the arm!! But this one really bothered me. Do you not remember Jin hit Eko and was quickly taken down. BUT Sayid also had the bravery to hit Eko, and not only that, he almost beat him too! Jin was being destroyed until he got that kick in IMO. Sayid, without a doubt, would win.

ok dude, couple things ur overlooking.

one: Jin hit eko AFTER being on the raft, nearly drowned and knocked out at least once, maybe twice. so chances are he prolly wasnt all up to speed. ya kno?

two: sayid was on major amounts of adrenaline after shannon got shot, which played a big factor in his fight with Eko. i think anyone who saw their true love shot before them would have enough of a power house of anger to knock eko down. even charlie.

three: sayid was getting pwned by Mikhail the first round too. did you see how far he got kicked across the room?

four: jin wasnt being obliterated in the first round. he tackled mihkail, then mikhail punched him, and tried to stab him with a stick, jin dodged it, caught the stick and punched back. then he got on top of mikhail and tried to punch him but it was blocked and got knocked off. then he got up went for another punch, it was blocked, jin got kneed, elbowed, punched and thrown into the tree for the throttle, then jin knocked his hands away, double chopped his neck and kicked him in the head.

so count the hits:
mikhail:, 4, 5 if you count the throttle and 6 if you count him knocking jin off
Jin: 3, 4 if you count the tackle at the beginning, 5 if you count the double neck chop as two. relativly it was the same amount of hits. no one got obliterated.


sayid's fight with mikhail,

mikhail kicked sayid scross the room and then one punch koed kate. then he hit sayid in the arm, then once across the face one hand, then backhand. sayid came back with a punch to the leg and one to the head. then he kicked mikhail in the face and mikhail charged at him. sayid flipped him and punched him again, then kate kicked him in the face, knocking him out.

so Mikhail: 4, 5 if you count his koing kate
Sayid: 4, 5 if you count the kick.
kate: 1, the kick to the face.

of course you have to take into the fact that is kate wasnt there, mikhail would have gone in to sayid right away without giving him time to get back up and prolly destroyed him. also take into account that sayid was injured, so that cancels kate being there out IMO.

so all in all, i'd say Jin did better against Mikhail with no handicap and Sayid did better against Eko with adrenaline and Jin having alot of factors against him. In my book, that puts Jin a little bit ahead as of now.

Not to mention we've seen Jin take out way more people than Sayid has. (not counting the tied up torture victims)

ok dude, couple things ur overlooking.

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Ok, so me and my friend talked it over. Your post really did destroy me in this argument, but I am still right.

Jin is a good fighter, and is very musculer.

Sayid is Sayid.

Sayid would win.

Ok, so me and my friend talked it over. Your post really did destroy me in this argument, but I am still right.

Jin is a good fighter, and is very musculer.

Sayid is Sayid.

Sayid would win.

heh, well u can think that if you want. but right now at least the evidence points to Jin more so.
that could change in the future, but for now, logical evidence is Jin. of course, part of the show is going on faith right? so if u put ur faith in sayid, power to ya.

Here are Sayid Vs. Mikhail and Jin Vs. Mikhail analyzed... yes, I do have better things to do, I'm just not doing them.:undecide:

Sayid Vs. Mikhail:

Before, during, and after this entire fight, Sayid is apparently weakened, in pain, and shakey from his injury and subsequent field surgury, and for most of it he is doubled over, holding on to his injury:

1. Mikhail lands kick to Sayid's chest as Sayid is trying to rise, which knocks him over the couch.
(Mikhail backhands Kate (who says chivalry is dead?))
2. Mikhail lands punch (apparently) to Sayid's injury. (effective)
3. Mikhail lands two punches to face. (not very effective)
3. Sayid, still doubled over, (apparently) lands elbow to knee. (effective)
4. Sayid lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Sayid lands kick to head. (effective)
6. Mikhail tries to tackle Sayid. (innefective)
7. Sayid performs grappling throw. (effective)
8. Sayid lands punch to head. (effective)
Duration: 22 seconds
(At this point Mikhail is on his hands and knees not really, moving, but Kate has finally gotten up, so she kicks him in the face just so she could say she helped.)


Jin Vs. Mikhail:

1. Jin tackles Mikhail (effective)
2. Mikhail backhands him (effective) (maybe he thought he was a girl at first? ;-))
3. Mikhail tries to stab him with stick. (inneffective)
4. Jin holds stick hand, and lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Jin climbs on top of him and tries to land punch. (innefective)
6. Mikhail blocks and throws. (effective)
7. Jin tries to land punch to head. (ineffective)
8. Mikhail blocks and lands knee to gut. (effective)
9. Mikhail lands two elbows to head (effective)
10. Mikhail strangles Jin against tree (er..temporarily effective)
(11. Jin remembers "I know kung fu")
12. Jin breaks hold. (effective)
13. Jin lands double hand-strike to neck. (effective)
14. Jin lands kick to head. (effective)
15. Jin restrains Mikhail with head lock. (effective)
Duration: 28 seconds

And the winner.... Sayid by a knockout.

Note that Sayid also got the best of Eko when they first met, which is highly impressive. Being a soldier is Sayid's whole mind-set, and he knows how to use his knowledge. Jin (judging by the trophy in his dad's house) did some competitive martial arts, but this is probably the first time he has used it in combat. Jin was bested for his whole fight until he used his knowledge to execute one successful sequence. Maybe we should call him "Rocky".

Here are Sayid Vs. Mikhail and Jin Vs. Mikhail analyzed... yes, I do have better things to do, I'm just not doing them.:undecide:

Sayid Vs. Mikhail:

Before, during, and after this entire fight, Sayid is apparently weakened, in pain, and shakey from his injury and subsequent field surgury, and for most of it he is doubled over, holding on to his injury:

1. Mikhail lands kick to Sayid's chest as Sayid is trying to rise, which knocks him over the couch.
(Mikhail backhands Kate (who says chivalry is dead?))
2. Mikhail lands punch (apparently) to Sayid's injury. (effective)
3. Mikhail lands two punches to face. (not very effective)
3. Sayid, still doubled over, (apparently) lands elbow to knee. (effective)
4. Sayid lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Sayid lands kick to head. (effective)
6. Mikhail tries to tackle Sayid. (innefective)
7. Sayid performs grappling throw. (effective)
8. Sayid lands punch to head. (effective)
Duration: 22 seconds
(At this point Mikhail is on his hands and knees not really, moving, but Kate has finally gotten up, so she kicks him in the face just so she could say she helped.)


Jin Vs. Mikhail:

1. Jin tackles Mikhail (effective)
2. Mikhail backhands him (effective) (maybe he thought he was a girl at first? ;-))
3. Mikhail tries to stab him with stick. (inneffective)
4. Jin holds stick hand, and lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Jin climbs on top of him and tries to land punch. (innefective)
6. Mikhail blocks and throws. (effective)
7. Jin tries to land punch to head. (ineffective)
8. Mikhail blocks and lands knee to gut. (effective)
9. Mikhail lands two elbows to head (effective)
10. Mikhail strangles Jin against tree (er..temporarily effective)
(11. Jin remembers "I know kung fu")
12. Jin breaks hold. (effective)
13. Jin lands double hand-strike to neck. (effective)
14. Jin lands kick to head. (effective)
15. Jin restrains Mikhail with head lock. (effective)
Duration: 28 seconds

And the winner.... Sayid by a knockout.

Note that Sayid also got the best of Eko when they first met, which is highly impressive. Being a soldier is Sayid's whole mind-set, and he knows how to use his knowledge. Jin (judging by the trophy in his dad's house) did some competitive martial arts, but this is probably the first time he has used it in combat. Jin was bested for his whole fight until he used his knowledge to execute one successful sequence. Maybe we should call him "Rocky".

DUDE!!!!
I'd love to see the coverage for season one's Jack vs. Ethan match. lol.

lol this reminds me of Hurley and Charlie's Superman vs. Flash conversation.

Sayid and Jin both got paid to kick *** pre-island life, so I think it could go either way.
I loved seeing Jin go Bruce Lee on Patchy. I had been wondering whether or not he had some martial arts skills.

lol this reminds me of Hurley and Charlie's Superman vs. Flash conversation.

Sayid and Jin both got paid to kick *** pre-island life, so I think it could go either way.
I loved seeing Jin go Bruce Lee on Patchy. I had been wondering whether or not he had some martial arts skills.


lol! Yeah, Jin and Sayid should have a face-off. But only for charity. ;)

Also, Sayid's probably not used to people being able to fight back!

I think that Eko was the strongest and scariest of the munch.

Between Jin and Sayid, I think that it would depend on the circumstance of the fight. Sayid is calmer, more calculating. I think that Sayid would kick butt if he had just a few moments to think about the fight. Howver, Jin is a more instinctive fighter. Jin would kick butt if the fight came about instantaneaously. We saw Jin take off after Mikhail without a moment's hesitation and spank him.

Jin vs. Sayid would be a legendary match, and I think it would come down to the first few moments before the fight.

I think that Eko was the strongest and scariest of the munch.

Agreed, Ben was absolutely terrified when Eko went to explain the two mini beards thing too him :biggrin:

Sayid V Jin, hmm could go either way. Hard to tell as Jin is only just starting to get involved in the action. I think Sayid knows a few more tricks so would just edge it.

Here are Sayid Vs. Mikhail and Jin Vs. Mikhail analyzed... yes, I do have better things to do, I'm just not doing them.:undecide:

Sayid Vs. Mikhail:

Before, during, and after this entire fight, Sayid is apparently weakened, in pain, and shakey from his injury and subsequent field surgury, and for most of it he is doubled over, holding on to his injury:

1. Mikhail lands kick to Sayid's chest as Sayid is trying to rise, which knocks him over the couch.
(Mikhail backhands Kate (who says chivalry is dead?))
2. Mikhail lands punch (apparently) to Sayid's injury. (effective)
3. Mikhail lands two punches to face. (not very effective)
3. Sayid, still doubled over, (apparently) lands elbow to knee. (effective)
4. Sayid lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Sayid lands kick to head. (effective)
6. Mikhail tries to tackle Sayid. (innefective)
7. Sayid performs grappling throw. (effective)
8. Sayid lands punch to head. (effective)
Duration: 22 seconds
(At this point Mikhail is on his hands and knees not really, moving, but Kate has finally gotten up, so she kicks him in the face just so she could say she helped.)


Jin Vs. Mikhail:

1. Jin tackles Mikhail (effective)
2. Mikhail backhands him (effective) (maybe he thought he was a girl at first? ;-))
3. Mikhail tries to stab him with stick. (inneffective)
4. Jin holds stick hand, and lands punch to face. (effective)
5. Jin climbs on top of him and tries to land punch. (innefective)
6. Mikhail blocks and throws. (effective)
7. Jin tries to land punch to head. (ineffective)
8. Mikhail blocks and lands knee to gut. (effective)
9. Mikhail lands two elbows to head (effective)
10. Mikhail strangles Jin against tree (er..temporarily effective)
(11. Jin remembers "I know kung fu")
12. Jin breaks hold. (effective)
13. Jin lands double hand-strike to neck. (effective)
14. Jin lands kick to head. (effective)
15. Jin restrains Mikhail with head lock. (effective)
Duration: 28 seconds

And the winner.... Sayid by a knockout.

Note that Sayid also got the best of Eko when they first met, which is highly impressive. Being a soldier is Sayid's whole mind-set, and he knows how to use his knowledge. Jin (judging by the trophy in his dad's house) did some competitive martial arts, but this is probably the first time he has used it in combat. Jin was bested for his whole fight until he used his knowledge to execute one successful sequence. Maybe we should call him "Rocky".

dude, ur leaving out the fact that Mikhail also had KATE to deal with. Sure he knocked her out in one punch, but if he didn't have to take time away from his initial kick at Sayid to do so, he would have been on him much faster, and considering Sayid was on the ground, and injured, Mikhail would have gotten and held the upper hand very easily. Note: kate is the one who knocked Mikhail out, not Sayid.
(love how people forget these facts when trying to prove their point ^.^)

and also Note: when Jin first met Eko, in his lil confronation, as I've said before, he was nearly drowned and knocked unconsious twice, and hadn't had food or water for awhile, so he was prolly just a tad bit weak too, as opposed to Sayid, who had been in healthy area, around camp with food and water AND super big adrenaline rush from Shannon dying. Which gave him the edge. not to mention the fact that Eko headbutted Jin pretty hard when all he did to Sayid was try to tackle him to keep him off of Ana.

Sorry buddy, but ur advantage count on time doesn't mean anything either. Considering in the flame they had a confined area, and were in closer range. When you're outside, and have more area to move with, a fight is going to take longer.

to be short, u left out alot of factors, and when those factors are added it, it leaves us right back to the fact that Sayid and Jin seem even on past history fights on island, including their fight with Mikhail because of outside factors. so right now I'm judging by pre island history,
in which case, Jin has the upper hand on taking out more people. As far as we know right now at least.

to be short, u left out alot of factors, and when those factors are added it, it leaves us right back to the fact that Sayid and Jin seem even on past history fights on island, including their fight with Mikhail because of outside factors. so right now I'm judging by pre island history,
in which case, Jin has the upper hand on taking out more people. As far as we know right now at least.

Kate was never a factor in Sayid vs Mikhail. Mikhail took half a second to knock her out, then several seconds to walk around the couch to pursue Sayid. Sure, Kate kicked Mikhail at the end, but the fight was clearly over then.

I never used the confrontation betwen Jin and Eko as any sort of factor.

In Sayid vs. Eko, while adreneline gives an advantage, being emotional and distracting gives a huge disadvantage, so I think those factors are at least a wash. But I'm really only comparing the two fights. Likewise, we've never seen either of them fight anyone in flashbacks who fights back.

And what really settles it for Sayid between the two fights, are the numerous attacks of Jin's that were blocked or otherwise thwarted, and by comparison, the effectiveness of every one of Sayid's attacks.

This IS a bit of a goofy thread, but fun to speculate. I have to give the nod to Sayid for the simple fact that I think he would do anything to win...including fight dirty. Jin, while having done violent things in the past, is still a "good person." Sayid, on the other hand, is somewhat consumed by his demons and wouldn't hesitate to embrace the dark side for a victory.

Didn't it take Sayid, Kate and Locke to bring down Mikhail?

I still think Eko was the strongest of them all.

Too bad Eko's dead..........

Kate was never a factor in Sayid vs Mikhail. Mikhail took half a second to knock her out, then several seconds to walk around the couch to pursue Sayid. Sure, Kate kicked Mikhail at the end, but the fight was clearly over then.

I never used the confrontation betwen Jin and Eko as any sort of factor.

In Sayid vs. Eko, while adreneline gives an advantage, being emotional and distracting gives a huge disadvantage, so I think those factors are at least a wash. But I'm really only comparing the two fights. Likewise, we've never seen either of them fight anyone in flashbacks who fights back.

And what really settles it for Sayid between the two fights, are the numerous attacks of Jin's that were blocked or otherwise thwarted, and by comparison, the effectiveness of every one of Sayid's attacks.

kate was a factor in simply being there.

as for the emotional distracting disadvantage, that only happens when you are in a state of crying mess, in sayid's case, he clearly had gone beyond all of those upset emotions into clear RAGE. rage makes you at least twice as strong as you normally are. and again, Eko didn't fight back at all.

as for the whole effectivness verses thwarted debate, if you look at it from the opposite end, Sayid only thwarted one of mikhail's attacks, which was the simple tackle. Jin thwarted several. and got out of a freaking choke hold. (when he was lifted off of the ground) which gives him super props.

not to mention if you wanna get technical the shots Mikhail landed on sayid (except for the punch to the arm wound) were prolly overall less painful than the ones he landed on Jin. (you know, elbows hurt alot more than fists)

and in addition to that, you want a clenching factor? how about the two of them at the end of the fight? Sayid was stammering to speak, sweating, panting, and bloody. Jin just kept Mikhail in the choke hold with none of that. he didn't even look phased. I thinkt he fight took way more out of sayid than it did out of Jin. Jin looked like he could have kept going for a long time after whereas sayid was clearly running close to the end of his stamina. given he was shot, so that plays a factor there. but kate cancels that out in my mind, because she finished the fight for sayid. sure mikhail was down, but he could have gotten back up. he didn;'t look completly finished, it looked more like round one Sayid, whereas that kick clearly clenched it for Jin.

plus, also, consider this if you will:

in the flame, there was less space to fight like i said, but also, Mikhail prolly wasnt even close to warmed up and ready for Sayid. he prolly hadnt had confronation in awhile. With Jin, he had a little bit of a warmup with sayid and was prolly better on the ball during the fight (he sure seemed it) i know its really technical, but it could be a good factor in there too.

but i digress, because every clencher for the other side can clearly be looked at from the other end and disproven. which is why it seems very even to me.