Seriously, I know that the Lostees aren't into sharing information, but I'll be very annoyed if somebody (Jack, Juliet, Kate, Sun...) does not gather the Lostees around and warn them not to have sex with each other, because the women may well end up pregnant with a few months to live like Sun is now facing. Kate should have 'engaged brain' before sleeping with Sawyer. It might be too late for her. But still the other women in the camp need to know!

Too bad the writers have written off Kate having a brain recently. She used to be one smart cookie. But yes, it would seem logical for Sun to come and tell everyone "Hey, no more getting it on!" But that would make too much sense.

I totally agree. Juliet won't do it, since she seems to want women to be pregnant for further experimentation (or Ben does, and Juliet is being forced to accommodate him, as evidenced by her message.)

I really think Jack should though! For goodness sake Jack, you're a doctor and people will listen to you!

Don't even get me started on Kate, who already KNOWS what can happen and still slept with Sawyer again??? Maybe it was protected though, we don't know that for sure. If Sawyer could find a pregnancy test in the wreckage, surely he could find condoms.

If Sawyer could find a pregnancy test in the wreckage, surely he could find condoms.

You'd think so wouldn't you?! I don't think they are acting to smart lately though.

Why would Dharma not put a massive stash of Dharma condoms on the pallet drop? Now that is evil.

All is not lost, they really only need to stop vaginal sex. Everything else is still go.

Hopefully Sun will tell everyone that women who conceive on the island die and that being on the island greatly increases a man's sperm count. I know that would make me think twice - condom or no condom.

Asking a bunch of stranded people not to have sex with each other for the rest of their lives? Yeah, right. Eventually they'd get desperate enough that a round in the sack would be worth the death sentence.

It is completely unreasonable that within fifteen minutes of finding out what happened to the pregnant women who conceived on-island, that every person in the beach camp wasn't informed. You simply can't sit on something like that - it's possible that if the women aren't told, then potentially all of them who are having sex can die. It's unbelievable to me that Jack wouldn't tell them.

With a 5X more potent sperm count, any contraception available to the Losties (withdrawal, whatever prophylactics were scavenged from the luggage and haven't been wrecked by the heat, etc.) are going to be less effective (it would be the equivalent of five "contributions" rolled into one.) Again, Jack is a physician and should know this from right off the bat - as well as being able to clearly communicate it.

I would imagine the beach camp would be in a riot over this information, and not be so complacent about Juliette.

They've got Dharma Mac & Cheese, Dharma Peanut butter, how's about some Dharma CONDOMS!!! Maybe in the next air drop....

If there are medical facilities... including a functioning ultra-sound... should I suggest:

a) vasectomy, the easiest choice
b) tubal ligation, a tad more complicated, but doable in a simple surgical room.

None of which are 100% guaranteed, but it helps. Add condoms, preferred positions, day of the month, etc! Decreases exponentially the chance of pregnancy.

Both happen to be (mostly) permanent, but man, death sentence is permanent also.

Oh beerother...another losties don't communicate thread. I think the last show should have pointed out that they do in fact communicate...Charlie and Hurley knew about patchy because someone told them, Sun knew about something that I have forgotten now. I think the whole point was to inform everyone that, yes they are in fact communicating and just because we don't see every little bit of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

As for telling everyone, Jack doesn't even know for sure if Juliet is telling the truth - for that matter none of them do. People aren't too willing to trust Jack either at the moment. Kate or Sun may tell everyone...and Kate had already slept with Sawyer - oh and no one has thought that maybe Kate is either on birth control or something has happened (since I Do) that makes it impossible to get pregnant?? Wow, no conclusion jumping here :biggrin:

I'm just saying, settle down and wait...it's been what a day since they even learned about all this...

Yeah, this is definitely one of those times where someone needs to make a public service announcement at the Losties camp. "Women who get pregnant on this island DIE in their second trimester! Sperm-count is UP, so the chances of getting pregnant are pretty darn good."

It is completely unreasonable that within fifteen minutes of finding out what happened to the pregnant women who conceived on-island, that every person in the beach camp wasn't informed. You simply can't sit on something like that - it's possible that if the women aren't told, then potentially all of them who are having sex can die. It's unbelievable to me that Jack wouldn't tell them.

With a 5X more potent sperm count, any contraception available to the Losties (withdrawal, whatever prophylactics were scavenged from the luggage and haven't been wrecked by the heat, etc.) are going to be less effective (it would be the equivalent of five "contributions" rolled into one.) Again, Jack is a physician and should know this from right off the bat - as well as being able to clearly communicate it.

I would imagine the beach camp would be in a riot over this information, and not be so complacent about Juliette.

I agree 100%. Jack in particular has a moral obligation as a doctor to tell them.

Don't even get me started on Kate, who already KNOWS what can happen and still slept with Sawyer again??? Maybe it was protected though, we don't know that for sure. If Sawyer could find a pregnancy test in the wreckage, surely he could find condoms.

If it were me I would not trust a condom. We're not talking about chlamydia here. I hope Kate realizes that as well, but my gut tells me that she doesn't.

Like Parachuter McGee falling from the sky, someone should drop a bunch of paper leaflets containing information on safe sex for the island.

Did I miss the episode where Jack was informed about the the sperm count being 5X it's normal level? Too funny, the one guy on the island that isn't getting any is going to get blamed for the wreckless sexual behavior of those that are.

I'm guessing if Jack knew about the sperm count thing and if he could confirm Juliet's story, he'd happily sit all the sheep down and have a facts of life talk with them. Talk about a brutal scene, can we please just assume this has been taken care of? :p

Oh wow. This takes a whole new meaning to that quote from Mean Girls. "Don't have sex. You will get pregnant...and DIE."

Yeah, I think this is something that should definitely be shown, but I guess it could work either way - like showing one of the island couples talking about it so we can infer that everyone is now aware.

Ick...I thought Kate was pretty stupid for doing that. And I love Kate. But that just wasn't smart.

I think, at least at the beginning, it was kind of like "Psht, no one's going to have sex. We're on an island. That's stupid." But as we've recently found out...not true! Certain *ahem* people definitely didn't follow that idea.

I think we're supposed to infer that the couples that have had sex on the island have actually used condoms...but it's not like they can go about showing The Condom Search scene on public television. That just isn't going to happen.

Well, except the whole Sex in the Cage scene. No way they would've had one. And I don't think Ana and Sawyer would either. I think it's safe to say that Sayid/Shannon used one and so did Sawyer/Kate their second time around.

But still, I also think it's safe to say that Sawyer/Kate did have unprotected sex and that we'll probably see more drama unfold from that, due to the new if-you-get-knocked-up-you-die rule.

Huh...it's weird...

Even before that came up, people were still into the theory about sex=death. Interesting.

I wanted to see a "sex talk" scene, because to me that's the cardinal rule of storytelling - *show, don't tell.* If anything would shake the beach camp out of its complacency, it would be that.

Oh wow. This takes a whole new meaning to that quote from Mean Girls. "Don't have sex. You will get pregnant...and DIE."

Yeah, I think this is something that should definitely be shown, but I guess it could work either way - like showing one of the island couples talking about it so we can infer that everyone is now aware.

The point is, though, Sun *didn't know.* So IMO "the talk" wasn't given.

I think, at least at the beginning, it was kind of like "Psht, no one's going to have sex. We're on an island. That's stupid." But as we've recently found out...not true! Certain *ahem* people definitely didn't follow that idea.But that goes against human nature. In a fear-ridden situation like that, people would be *clinging* to each other for comfort, reassurance, and one thing would lead to another. It's basic evolutionary survival.

Well, except the whole Sex in the Cage scene. No way they would've had one.Right, because the whole point (IMO) was for Kate and Sawyer to "breed." IIRC, wasn't Kate's blood drawn before that cage setup? No doubt to see if she was ovulating.

Even before that came up, people were still into the theory about sex=death. Interesting.Right - because there seemed to be an awfully close correlation, at least for the women and maybe for Boone, too (didn't he sleep with Shannon the night before they left on 815?) But for unmarried women, the track record wasn't good - Shannon slept with Boone and Sayid (and there was the lover Boone found her with in Australia.) Ana Lucia "got around," and then slept with Sawyer to get his weapon (on both levels!) Nikki and Paolo were engaging in exploitative sexual behavior (using the director's affair with Nikki to get into the safe where the diamonds were kept.)

Even Libby IMO might have "bought it" because of this sex=death thing. When she and Hurley first get together, she is definitely the assertive one. There's that scene in the hatch laundromat where she picks up the bustier, chemise, whatever it was, and holds it up, then has him button her up into it. He's quite flustered, and for some reason I got an odd frisson in that scene - the parallels with Ana Lucia seemed too great.

Then there's that scene where she kisses Hurley, and he wants to kiss her again, but she won't. When she walks behind him, her face grows sad and cold. So was she exploiting him as well, for some reason we didn't find out, because Michael shot her?

So far the theme has been not just sex=death, but "exploitative" / disordered sex=death.

Now this plot development takes the sex=death theme to an even higher pitch, because now the married women are roped in. It's not just a "premarital sex will kill you" thing. Presumably *any* woman with a womb is at risk - because if the Island can raise up a man from a wheelchair, certainly "it" can do an end run around contraception...

If it were me I would not trust a condom. We're not talking about chlamydia here. I hope Kate realizes that as well, but my gut tells me that she doesn't

Oh I totally agree with you there. I definitely didn't mean to imply in my post that having a condom would have made it okay, nothing would have, and I can't imagine what the heck Kate was thinking. It just certainly would have been better than nothing. Its sad, cause that scene alone caused me to lose some respect for Kate.

It is completely unreasonable that within fifteen minutes of finding out what happened to the pregnant women who conceived on-island, that every person in the beach camp wasn't informed. You simply can't sit on something like that - it's possible that if the women aren't told, then potentially all of them who are having sex can die. It's unbelievable to me that Jack wouldn't tell them.


Agreed. Its kind of like, say, Jack discovered that the delicious-looking fruit of a certain tree on the island would kill you. And then didn't tell anyone. Good grief.

Ugh. That is really frustrating. Hopefully SOON they will let the other Losties know/imply that they know.

One thing I'm worried about is

Dominic Monaghan said that Charlie/Claire would be getting "hot and heavy" ...so this could mean one of two things. 1) They don't know. 2) They're just being rebels. My guess is 1...they're not stupid enough to do #2.

Don't forget a few episodes ago when we were learning more about Juliette's back story, there was a scene where she was sitting in bed (implied nudity by her back exposed) with Goodwin practically in her lap. The logical conclusion would have been that sex was involved at some recent point.

I'm guessing Goodwin and Juliet would've used protection, since they were the ones doing the research and everything. They knew that they couldn't let her get pregnant.

I'm guessing Goodwin and Juliet would've used protection, since they were the ones doing the research and everything. They knew that they couldn't let her get pregnant.

Well, those Dharma rubbers must have been extra-special thick, then, because with a 5X increased sperm count, I'm not sure I'd trust the "ordinary" varieties.

Or perhaps Juliet can't get pregnant, i.e. has had a hysterectomy? I would trust The Island to heal a tubal ligation (or a severed spinal cord), but regrowing organs is probably a bit too much.

I would think that birth control pills would still be effective on the island even with the difference in sperm count because birth control pills prevent the egg from being released. If the egg isn't released, then there won't be a pregnancy no matter how many sperm the man puts forth since the sperm won't have an egg to rendezvous with.