Juliet mentioned on the tape recorder that she would try to get samples from the other women and that she should have Austin's (Kate) sample soon. So, is Kate pregnant by Sawyer?

Juliet did not confirm, but it is likely. Juliet is getting samples from all the women generally to see if any are pregnant. Juliet made a note to Ben that she is definitely making an effort to get a sample from Kate because Juliet and Ben both know that Kate slept with Sawyer, and (given the way that the island increases sperm count) Kate is more likely to be pregnant.

I think it would be a lame story line given that Sun is already pregnant with an on-island D.O.C., but it is looking more and more probable that Kate has a bun in the oven.

I also immediately assumed that Kate was pregnant based on what Juliet said. I know the "kate's pregnant" theory has been bandied about on this site and my guess is that Juliet's statement confirms it. Besides, Juliet also mentioned that men's sperm count on the island is nearly tripled. Sawyer definitely knocked Kate up ;)

I was just about to ask the same question! It would appear that way wouldn't it. Juliette specifically singled out Austin among the other women.
However, the Others know that Kate & Sawyer got it on, so maybe they just suspect that she may be pregnant and want a sample to test.

It certainly looks like that's the way they're going with this. Sawyer & Kate have had sex twice now. Sawyer already had a lot of spermies, but on the island, apparently, he has twice as many more! LOL.

I'm not sure where they're going with this. But in the last few episodes, fertility has become the most important thing to the Others. Correction: The Others are super-concerned with birthing a baby ON THE ISLAND.

The only thing that doesn't make sense is that Claire was pregnant BEFORE she arrived, so it seems that Juliet lied (not again?!) that Claire was in danger. Or was Claire their first example of an off-island conception and they were not sure what would happen to the child?

Still lots of questions to answer.

What? Sawyer didn't pull out?! WHOOPS!!! I guess Clementine is going to have a brother/sister. (unless Kate dies during pregnancy.)

I think Juliet singled Kate out because they saw Kate and Sawyer having sex. I don't think Juliet and Ben know she is pregnant but I think they are hoping she is.

They probably brought Kate and James to the barracks and put them in the oh-so-easy-to-get-out-of cages hoping they would 'mate' - that's probably why the shower and dress for Kate too. I definitely think Kate's pregnancy was planned by the Others.

Another point about Claire - not only was she preggers before she got to the island, but she was also in her third trimester - Juliet said women on the island die during their second, which means Claire was probably doubly safe from pregnancy-death. :)

Still, I'm sure they're interested in anyone who's pregnant or potentially pregnant, either way.

couldn't they have used other forms of protection? sawyer's got the big stash of junk, if he had a pregnancy test, i'm sure he had some lost and found condoms, too...they didn't really show us that, but you never know, right?

They probably brought Kate and James to the barracks and put them in the oh-so-easy-to-get-out-of cages hoping they would 'mate' - that's probably why the shower and dress for Kate too. I definitely think Kate's pregnancy was planned by the Others.

Another point about Claire - not only was she preggers before she got to the island, but she was also in her third trimester - Juliet said women on the island die during their second, which means Claire was probably doubly safe from pregnancy-death. :)

Still, I'm sure they're interested in anyone who's pregnant or potentially pregnant, either way.


Agreed.

See my post in the K.A.T.E. Thread....

http://thefuselage.com/Threaded/showpost.php?p=1514981&postcount=2108


What do you guys think?

I would be surprised if Kate ended up not being pregnant. The narrative structure demands that she is pregnant. For the writers to pass on a dramatic opportunity would be surprising.

How could Juliet possibly know if Kate is pregnant? Kate had sex maybe 3 weeks ago....way too soon to tell if she's pregnant.

If Kate really is pregnant that means that half of the female main charcters on Lost are pregnant, lol. Anyway, what I find weird is that if the Others wanted a woman to get pregnant on the island, why didn't they kidnap Sun and Jin along with Jack. It would have been so much easier to make Sun and Jin have sex than to go through all this trouble with Sawyer and Kate. And as far as we know the Others had no idea that Sun was pregnant.

So who else might be, might have been, pregnant? Shannon and Sayid had their, uhm, afternoon delight. Ana Lucia and Sawyer. Odd that both of them were killed?

isn't it ironic that men have x6 the sperm count but woman CAN"T finish a normal pregnancy?
Why?

i'm sure he had some lost and found condoms, too
wow, EXCELLENT point!

And yeah... the other two potential pregnancies have been shot.

One thing that doesn't make sense (yet, anyway) is that Juliet is working undercover to see who is pregnant and who isn't. She's taking samples, apparently. But why? All pregnant women on the island die anyway, so why bother?

Also, they've been there 90 days, I would have thought that someone else would be pregnant by now. Why have the Others waited until now to do all their testing? By what we learned last night, anyone who had sex (and got pregnant) right after the crash would only have about a month left to live.

Questions, questions, gotta love Lost.

How could Juliet possibly know if Kate is pregnant? Kate had sex maybe 3 weeks ago....way too soon to tell if she's pregnant.

This is why she would need a sample.

How this will be obtained in and of itself should be interesting. I mean what is Juliet going to do follow Kate to the nearest bush? ROFL.


I honestly think the reason Juliet is on that beach right now is because Kate made a deal with Ben to try and GET pregnant ( NOT knowing what the real deal is with the women dying)...Till it was too late, with the Juliet reviel.

I honestly think the reason Juliet is on that beach right now is because Kate made a deal with Ben to try and GET pregnant ( NOT knowing what the real deal is with the women dying)...Till it was too late, with the Juliet reviel.

Wow, this comment is really out there. Kate made a deal with Ben to try and get pregnant? How on earth could Ben help with that? And what does Juliet working undercover within the losties have to do with it?

The only thing about Juliet telling Benry that she'll get a sample from Kate soon is the fact that they had an unconscious Kate in their hands when they gassed the rec room. Why not get a sample of her blood, saliva or what not then?

As far as waiting until now to get samples from the woman, I would imagine in that type of situation, sex isn't necessarily the first thing on peoples mind. So, it may take a few weeks to settle in to the idea of possibly, maybe, since there's little else to do with becoming intimate with someone, especially if you just met them. And we have no idea how many actual pre-island couples survived besides R/B (who were apart for fifty days), N/P and the Kwons. Speaking of, with them being married and assuming there was no way they could get pregnant with Jin being sterile wouldn't worry about contraceptives. If there was a pregnancy test on board that plane, then there was certain to be condoms as well. I've traveled with a couple of boxes when my ex and I went on vacation before. It's not uncommon. So, it's likely there was some in the luggage that was retrieved.

Wow, this comment is really out there. Kate made a deal with Ben to try and get pregnant? How on earth could Ben help with that? And what does Juliet working undercover within the losties have to do with it?


If Ben promised her something ( along the same lines of promising Juliet and Jack off the island for instance) in exchange that she help them with their problem...

Juliet would go along to keep an eye on the progress of the situation. Who better than the fertility doctor?

Jack seeing the entire cage thing was just a bonus to Ben...Because now he also would be easier to control. As the brokenhearted sometimes are...Ben is a master at twisting emotions.

Think about this.

He sets Kate up to leave after she gets pregnant.

She dosent know the women die...GETS pregnant. Thus will never leave.

Jack helps Ben with his tumor as a result of seeing the cage scene..

It snowballs.

Niki might have been pregnant too when she was burried alive.

If Ben promised her something ( along the same lines of promising Juliet and Jack off the island for instance) in exchange that she help them with their problem...
I'm still missing something here. In what form is Kate offering to help the Others? By getting pregnant? How would she even know that was a problem at that point? This theory just doesn't make any sense to me.

Now, I will say, we never have learned why Ben took Kate aside for their little picnic on the beach at the beginning of season three. But still, this theory is pretty weak if you're basing it on THAT. Knowing Kate, she would be more concerned with escaping from the Others than making a deal to help them. The only reason that Jack did so was because Kate broke his heart.

What Juliet said about Claire doesn´t make any sense for me. She conceived off island and was pretty close to giving birth. Why should she have been in any danger?
What about Danielle who survived her pregnancy, too? Why is nobody interested in samples from her? :confused:

Well, the cages were on the Hydra Island, so is that safe from the effects of the main island? I think it is, I'm pretty sure "Alcatraz" is supposed to be, you know, just a normal tropical island.

I think Juliet is just guessing Kate may be pregnant because of the obvious. I don't think it's a given that she knows Kate is pregnant.
If Kate has also struck a deal with Ben then she could well be pulling his chain ! she has already had a negative test in the real world. It could be that Kate CANNOT have kids no matter how strong the sperm.
This makes the first 6 eps very intriguing, as I now think the only reason Sawyer was taken is because he already has a child, the perfect sperm donor, Jacks wife on the other hand also had a negative test, it could be she can't have children but I'd put money on it that Jack can't have kids. That's why the Others took all 3 and let Hurley go back to the beach. Because in reality all the Others had to do was take Jack and Kate, he would still have done the surgery like he did, but the Others may not have got the outcome they were wanting from these 2 having sex. NO BABY. Much better odds with Sawyer already being a father.

To answer the main question posed in this thread: There is a chance that Kate is pregnant, and she was probably going to be the key sample segment, that is before Sun's admission that she was pregnant. It looks like Ben tasked Juliet with infiltrating the Lostie's camp in order to collect samples from each woman who was of child bearing age/status.

What's the endgame? I think Ben (maybe Jacob) desperately wasnts to find a way to create a self-sustaining community on the Island. Without the ability to bear children, the answer might seem continuous recruitment, but that introduces variables into the Island population that don't always appear to mesh with the Others' way of doing things (on a variety of levels).

Personally I think it would suck if Kate was to be pregnant as well as Sun.

Personally I think it would suck if Kate was to be pregnant as well as Sun.

I'm with you. Geez does everybody have to be pregnant? Or laden down with a baby?

Maybe you can tell but I don't have kids. Is there any way to test for pregnancy other than urine? Someone mentioned blood and saliva. Can you find out from those?

Personally I think it would suck if Kate was to be pregnant as well as Sun.

Same here!

I love Kate no matter what, but seriously, I would not be too happy if she got pregnant.

If she WAS pregnant, we probably would have known by now.

Kate is not going anywhere? Dying? Kidnapped?

Don't want ANYTHING bad to happen to her. She's my favorite character.

I never heard of determining pregnancy from saliva, but I'm no doctor. Blood seems the most likely choice here.

Personally I think it would suck if Kate was to be pregnant as well as Sun.

I think if they're both pregnant, it opens up some great dramatic possiblities. For one thing, it gives Juliet two more guinea pigs on which to test her treatment. And think about what would happen if it actually worked for the first time. Do you think it would work on both of them, or do you think it would be more interesting if it worked on one but not on the other? One carries her baby to term and survives the process, finally vindicating Juliet's treatment, while the other dies horribly during delivery like all the others have. And which one, if any, do TPTB choose to live, and which one, if any, do they choose to die? The possibilities are incredibly intriguing now, a dramatic goldmine!

If she WAS pregnant, we probably would have known by now.

Not necessarily, it takes about 3 weeks until you can test for it. One of the reasons Juliet's infilitrated their camp now is that it's the right time to test Kate. The more interesting question is how is she going to get a sample from her? They're not exactly BFFs.

I think Juliet singled Kate out because they saw Kate and Sawyer having sex. I don't think Juliet and Ben know she is pregnant but I think they are hoping she is.

that's exactly how I took it as well.

i want to know how juliet plans on obtaining a blood sample from kate... that should be interesting.

I think if they're both pregnant, it opens up some great dramatic possiblities.

Among other things, it could have a major impact on any leadership struggle between Jack and Sawyer. How will everyone on the beach feel about Kate choosing Sawyer over Jack in such a dramatic way.

i want to know how juliet plans on obtaining a blood sample from kate... that should be interesting.

Actually, pregnancy is determined by a urine sample: much easier
(find out Kate's favorite pee-place, hide a cup there, ...).

If TPTB reduce this show to one where all the women are pregnant, it will be a travesty.

If Kate is pregnant, I expect she'll never show -- the series will be wrapped up before then. But it seems like just a dramatic device -- then once they determine she isn't, it might deter her from risking pregnancy for a while (Sawyer better have a good stash of condoms or have gotten snipped!) I think the whole pregnancy thing adds a sense of urgency to either getting off the island or solving the mystery of what is causing the deaths. The writers are planting the seeds for the series climax. Ahem... :biggrin:

I think we might be jumping the gun. For all we know Sawyer found some 'protection' among the wreckage or Kate had a birth control implant aready in place in her arm or something...I really really hope she's not pregnant but I foresee an arc where its a 'is she or isn't she' kind of thing where Sawyer and Jack get all angsty about it...not to mention Kate! :rolleyes:

seriously! she is gonna get kate's "sample" easily. sun is going to tell kate everything, kate is gonna worry about swayers super sperm and shes gonna play right into juilette's hands and beg her to take the sample, because shes gonna want to know if shes pregnant and gonna die too. then (hopefully, even though it doesnt seem like there are great communication skills on the island) the rumor mill will start, everyone that had any type of sexual contact will beg juliette to take a sample too, which will snowball into, how about she just takes everybodies samples, just to be sure. end game.

If TPTB reduce this show to one where all the women are pregnant, it will be a travesty.

I agree. It seems as if none of the women are ever allowed to develop into strong characters. If Kate and Sun are both pregnant, for the rest of the show they will be very limited in how they can be involved in anything. With morning sickness and fatigue, they will be restricted to the camp. I think Sun and Claire are enough to develop the whole fertility & motherhood plotline. I would be disappointed to find that Kate is pregnant.

Yeah, cos Saywer carried his wallet to the hydra station, I very much doubt he had condoms with him, but maybe the second time, but maybe we will see in a Sawyer flashback, that after he heard about his child, gave up the money to it, he went ahead and got the snip, but not from a normal doctor, most likely from some back ally doctor, cos if he went to a 'real' docotr, the others would know. It's all very confusing.

I think the others definately want Kate pregnant. I think they did, to a point, orchestrate Kate and Sawyer's cage scene. This was easy for the others to do, because that attraction was already there. Kate and Sawyer may be using protection now, since they are back at the beach and have easy access to Sawyer's stash. However, they were not using it in the cage. The women from the plane crash are the others' guinea pigs.