- Jin is the father of Sun's baby
- Jin's mother is a prostitute
- No one knows who Jin's father is
- Jin has increased sperm production because of the island. In fact, all the men do. Maybe that's the cause of some of the macho posturing?
- Juliet is going to collect samples from the other women. Specifically Kate. And Kate is the only other living woman that we know has had sex on the island. Could she be preggy too? Were Ana Lucia and Shannon when they died?
- Mikhail did not die.
- Mikhail was a field medic.
- Slightly scary Charlie emerged again.
- Sun knows Jack isn't acting right.
- Jin is a super fighter.
- The crib in the medical hatch's nursery is now in the secret storage room.
- Juliet hates Ben.
- Juliet is leaving messages for Ben and doing his work for him despite her feelings.
- Hurley now knows that the outside world thinks all of 815 are dead.
- Desmond has never seen the parachutist before.
- She does speak English.
- Kate still has the hots for Jack.
- Kate still hates Juliet.

- Sun is not above threats.
- Jin was in the military.
- Mikail knew about Charlie's hearing loss.
- When people get injurred, they randomly switch languages.

- Sun is responsible for Jin's life of crime.
- Sun and Jin had sex 53 days ago. That was right after they were reunited after the raft/tailies trek, right?
- Hurley always ends up the babysitter, never in the action.
- Hurley has cute knees.
- Mikhail thought he could get the satellite phone to work.

- "D.O.C." stands for "Date of Conception," not just "Department of Corrections."

- Jin has increased sperm production because of the island. In fact, all the men do. Maybe that's the cause of some of the macho posturing?

Sperm doesn't cause that. Testosterone does.


- Mikhail was a field medic.


We learned that in Enter 77 when he patched up Sayid.


- Sun knows Jack isn't acting right.


Only because he knew that pregnancies were fatal on the island, but it was clear he didn't know how to bring it up with her.


- Kate still has the hots for Jack.


I must have missed that part of the episode.

There are hidden rooms in some of the hatches.
There was a teddy bear in the hidden room.

Mikhail confirms the island healing capabilities

Sun might die in 2 months (Juliet might have showed someone else's sonogram and therefore lying)

Let's just leave triangle rubbish out of it shall we. This episode was gloriously free of it, at least let the discussion be as well.

I am really pleased with all we found out from this episode!

- besides English, the parachutist speaks italian, portuguese and chinese, all of them more or less badly.
- Hurley doesn't know how to handle a gun. Or does he?

did the parachutist say anyhting about bodies bieng found with the wrekage of fake15 (the fake flight 815, supposedly, who knows what is going on)

sorry what was that about Charlie's hearing loss? I think I missed it....

she says: Flight 815, from Sydney? They found the plane, there were no survivors, they are all dead.

No mentions on bodies, though.

Sun might die in 2 months (Juliet might have showed someone else's sonogram and therefore lying)

I think that is a definite possibility. Unless the others have some super-duper top secret super ultrasound technology, there is no way you can hear a baby's heartbeat that early in pregnancy. You could only see a faint beating on screen. Also, that baby looked huge. To me, it seemed like you could see a body and all. That definitly would not be possible at 8 weeks, being that the baby would only be about 1-1/2 inches long, and would still look tadpole-ish. It would just be a tiny blimp on the screen. Believe me, I know since I myself am preggers w/ my second baby, and just had my 7 week ultrasound on tuesday. Either the producers didn't think we would be scrutinizing it that much, Juliet showed someone else's ultrasound, or else she lied about the D.O.C.

or on the island babies grow quicker than in the outside regular world.

I think that is a definite possibility. Unless the others have some super-duper top secret super ultrasound technology, there is no way you can hear a baby's heartbeat that early in pregnancy. You could only see a faint beating on screen. Also, that baby looked huge. To me, it seemed like you could see a body and all. That definitly would not be possible at 8 weeks, being that the baby would only be about 1-1/2 inches long, and would still look tadpole-ish. It would just be a tiny blimp on the screen. Believe me, I know since I myself am preggers w/ my second baby, and just had my 7 week ultrasound on tuesday. Either the producers didn't think we would be scrutinizing it that much, Juliet showed someone else's ultrasound, or else she lied about the D.O.C.

very super cool to know. I like the latter of the three...

she says: Flight 815, from Sydney? They found the plane, there were no survivors, they are all dead.

No mentions on bodies, though.

with no mention of bodies found it speaks to the possibility that it was a fake crash with nobody on the plane, or just a pilot who was able to get out before it hit the water.
If there were bodies found wouldn't they have done dna tests or dental records.

Sperm doesn't cause that. Testosterone does.



We learned that in Enter 77 when he patched up Sayid.



Only because he knew that pregnancies were fatal on the island, but it was clear he didn't know how to bring it up with her.



I must have missed that part of the episode.

wow, you seem perturbed!

These lists are a little tongue and cheek. They are by no means official. I learned that Mikhail was a field medic last night because I wasn't sure if his story was true in Exit 77. Kate didn't want to talk about Jack because he's hurt her. Larger amounts of sperm have to affect the level of testosterone at some point.

Juliet knows detailed info about Sayid and Sawyer, but didn't know Sun had an affair.

Juliet knows detailed info about Sayid and Sawyer, but didn't know Sun had an affair.

She made a point of noting on the tape that Jin had got pregnant on the Island by her husband. Mind you, that might be because he was previously infertile and therefore noteworthy.

I think that is a definite possibility. Unless the others have some super-duper top secret super ultrasound technology, there is no way you can hear a baby's heartbeat that early in pregnancy. You could only see a faint beating on screen. Also, that baby looked huge. To me, it seemed like you could see a body and all. That definitly would not be possible at 8 weeks, being that the baby would only be about 1-1/2 inches long, and would still look tadpole-ish. It would just be a tiny blimp on the screen. Believe me, I know since I myself am preggers w/ my second baby, and just had my 7 week ultrasound on tuesday. Either the producers didn't think we would be scrutinizing it that much, Juliet showed someone else's ultrasound, or else she lied about the D.O.C.

Just so you all know, I am pregnant and I had my first ultrasound at 8 weeks and we DID hear the baby's heartbeat, so it is possible. Maybe swyrlvr's doctor was using a VERY old ultrasound. Also, ultrasounds have zooming capabilities, and I have a picture of my baby at 8 weeks zoomed in like in D.O.C. and it looks very similar. The baby in D.O.C. doesn't have a body it had the beginning of a head and the beginning of a body with the beating heart jumping up and down, like it is supposed to be.

We also learned that Jin speaks and understands English far better than he every did earlier in the Season and waywayway better than last Season.

or on the island babies grow quicker than in the outside regular world.

If serious wounds heal in a day, perhaps pregnancies move quicker too on the island, so the baby could be bigger than normal, I guess.

Maybe that's the core of the problem of pregnancy on the island-everything happens more rapidly, and the baby and the mothers' bodies can't take the quickend pace, so they die??

Then again, Juliette could just be a big fat liar showing an image from 3 years ago-who knows.

Because as the mom of 2, that was no image of an 8 week fetus!!

On the island, if a tree branch punctures your lung you'll be OK, but if it pokes out your eye you are S.O.L.

[quote=GodBlessTexas;1515650]Only because he knew that pregnancies were fatal on the island, but it was clear he didn't know how to bring it up with her./quote]

I thought the same thing but then I watched again and Jack asks Sun if Jin is gone. Then she tells him Jin went off with Desmond and co. I found that very odd. Why would he ask where Jin was?

9 Others have died under Juliet, and who hell knows how many before she got to the island. Yet there are Others still willing to try. I mean after 2 or 3, give up, it isn't happening. There is something about this island and constant failures and the lack of learning from past mistakes.

Just so you all know, I am pregnant and I had my first ultrasound at 8 weeks and we DID hear the baby's heartbeat, so it is possible. Maybe swyrlvr's doctor was using a VERY old ultrasound. Also, ultrasounds have zooming capabilities, and I have a picture of my baby at 8 weeks zoomed in like in D.O.C. and it looks very similar. The baby in D.O.C. doesn't have a body it had the beginning of a head and the beginning of a body with the beating heart jumping up and down, like it is supposed to be.

It seems that I may have offended you in some way. This was not my intention, so I'm sorry. I'm glad you heard your baby's heartbeat so early. Its the most reassuring sound an expectant mom can hear. However, it is rare to hear a heartbeat at 8 weeks in pregnancy, or even nine or ten. Here is some information I pulled off of the Dr. Spock site.

"After the 9th or 10th week after your last menstrual period, you might be able to hear your baby's heartbeat at your prenatal appointment. Your obstetrical practitioner probably uses a Doppler instrument for this purpose, which bounces harmless sound waves off the fetal heart. The way the sound comes back is affected by motion, so a beating heart creates a change in the sound that can be picked up by the receiver in the Doppler. Whether you actually hear the heartbeat at 9 or 10 weeks depends partly on luck-the instrument must be placed at just the right angle. It also depends on the position of your uterus, and if you're slim or heavy."

And again from BabyZone.com:

Q:I'm eight weeks pregnant. I was wondering when you can hear the baby's heartbeat?
Nadine Smith

A:
You should be able to hear your baby's heartbeat around the 12-week doctor's visit.

As for my doctor's ultrasound equipment, you may be right that it is old. Being that I live in such a small town, it does sometimes take more time for the new technology to reach us.

I must say however, that I have been happy with it. And he does have zooming technology, which has allowed me to see my little "bun", his/her yoke sac, and even see the tiny heartbeat (although I can't yet hear it). I do know that it is hard to discern the body from the head at this time as the head makes up half the length of the embryo's body.

Also hear are some links of ultrasound pictures taken at 8 weeks using older (non-3D) equipment that can be compared to Sun's ultrasound.


http://www.msoe.edu/eecs/be/srdesign/biodata/images/ultra/cs8w.jpg
http://www.advancedfertility.com/pics/PREUL934.JPG
http://pregnancyandbaby.com/files/ultrasound/8w3d_Kelly1.jpg
http://www.drtiller.com/images/photo3.jpg
http://www.kyleandkelly.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/baby1.jpg

Again, sorry if this is viewed as misinformation, i'm just talking about my own personal experience, going through what is now my second pregnancy.

Bianca, it looks like we'll be welcoming those little bundles of joy around the same time. Enjoy that baby!

Jo

9 Others have died under Juliet, and who hell knows how many before she got to the island.

Yeah, and this bugged the crap out of me! remember earlier when she is blubbing when Colleen dies? She says to Jack 'wah, I'm a fertility doctor, wah, I'm not used to death, boohoo'. Full of it. Are we to believe she was just lying to Jack and faking her emotion? Or is it that even after 9 deaths she still isn't used to it... but when she said it, it seemed more like 'this is the first time I've seen someone die'. If Collen was number 9 (or 10?) then surely Juliet would have instead said 'I've seen 10 people die on this island, and it never gets any easier'. I just don't believe the writers thought ahead...

Maybe that's the cause of some of the macho posturing?

Just because a man has greater sperm count that doesn't mean that they're more aggressive. More testosterone would do that but I'm pretty sure that when you have higher than usual testosterone levels (like when using steroids) your sperm count goes down.
100%

- Mikhail thought he could get the satellite phone to work.

Not necessarily he just might not have wanted the 815ers to be able to use it. IMO I'm not even sure he really wanted it because I think if he did he would have run off instead of nonchalantly walking away like he did.

When people get injured, they randomly switch languages. LOL if you are going to babel while injured you might as well do it in a way that reflects the tower of Babel and constantly switch languages.

Sun is responsible for Jin's life of crime.
Lets give Jin and Mr Paik some responsibility for their own actions, Sun was misguided but Jin was involved in and partly responsible for his own actions.

This might take a bit of explanation but I think we learned that the island is detectable from air and not hidden by a shield of some sort. My chain of logic on that is,1. The Other’s want the island to remain hidden. 2. There was a wide spread search in progress for Flight 815. 3. The Other’s had a working boat & sub plus access to major chunks of debris from flight 815. 4. I think they towed a substantial part of the wreckage, probably the part that washed out to sea, to a location where it would be found and by doing so misdirected the search efforts. 5. Ergo they feared search planes could spot the island and so the island is not hidden from aerial view.:undecide:

can someone answer the question posed about Charlie's hearing? i want to know about that, too!

wow, you seem perturbed!

These lists are a little tongue and cheek. They are by no means official. I learned that Mikhail was a field medic last night because I wasn't sure if his story was true in Exit 77. Kate didn't want to talk about Jack because he's hurt her. Larger amounts of sperm have to affect the level of testosterone at some point.

Perturbed? I started this thread 2 episodes ago. Disinformation is a bad thing though, because it will be repeated. I guess my thread was actually factual.

can someone answer the question posed about Charlie's hearing? i want to know about that, too!

When Charlie threatened to "take" Mikhail's other eye, he responded by turning his ear toward Charlie and asking "Sorry, what?", in a mocking tone. I don't think this had anything to do with Charlie in particular, he was merely frustarting the person who was threatening him.

If it had anythign to do with Charlie's hearing, I think it would've been a bit more obvious, or Charlie would've reacted to it (in a "what are you tryign to say?" way) rather than just flipping out as Mikhail mocked him.

[quote=GodBlessTexas;1515650]Only because he knew that pregnancies were fatal on the island, but it was clear he didn't know how to bring it up with her./quote]

I thought the same thing but then I watched again and Jack asks Sun if Jin is gone. Then she tells him Jin went off with Desmond and co. I found that very odd. Why would he ask where Jin was?

I took it as smalltalk. Would you want to try and bring up something that might upset Sun with Jin around? Sure, his English is pretty poor still, but he'd see her crying or freaking out and want to do something, a la the Jin of season 1.

We've learned that the parachutist is not alone and only Mikahil knows it because she said it in Portuguese and than he lied telling she said thank you for helping her!

When Echo set off a bomb trying to get backinto the hatch to stop Des and Lock, Charlie lost his hearing for a while. He still had a bit of trouble hearing when he met up with Clair after the implosion. I didn't catch Michial's tease about hearing loss.

On the island, if a tree branch punctures your lung you'll be OK, but if it pokes out your eye you are S.O.L.:rotflmao2:

Maybe Patchy wears an eyepatch so if he enters a dark room he won't have to wait for his eyes to adjust...

When Charlie threatened to "take" Mikhail's other eye, he responded by turning his ear toward Charlie and asking "Sorry, what?", in a mocking tone. I don't think this had anything to do with Charlie in particular, he was merely frustarting the person who was threatening him.I thought it had to do with the fact the last time we saw him he had blood coming out of his ears. How would Mikhail know about Charlie losing his hearing in the hatch?

or on the island babies grow quicker than in the outside regular world.

I wondered about that too - Aaron certainly looks a lot older than a baby just a tad under three months old.

And yes, peepstone, Hurley does have really cute knees!

Perturbed? I started this thread 2 episodes ago. Disinformation is a bad thing though, because it will be repeated. I guess my thread was actually factual.

These threads have been going on since Season 1.

Discussion is full of opinions. No one ever said that anything posted here is absolute fact.