Any theories?

and why did Ben have cancer? and why didn't Ekko get revived? Why didn't the federal marshal heal from his wounds? Why was Sawyer near death after being shot? The revelation raises more questions than it answers.

because the island noted that while everyone else was living with the horrifying reality of the crash, Shannon was laying out in her bikini. The island instantly chalked her up as a snooty bowhead. The island does not care for snooty bowheads, so asthma it is!

I think it did heal Shannon's asthma. considering she recovered from an attack without medicine only to never have another attack? Asthma is an inflammation caused by sudden onset. Alot of people die without medicine in a very short period of time. Considering she recovered, I'd say the island did heal her.

What about the Marshall, though? His injury was VERY similar to the parachutist's, yet his condition got worse until he finally had to be put out of his misery.

Honestly, while the bombshell about the plane crash having been "found" was the bigger immediate shock to me, the issue of Mikhail still being alive and indicating that the parachutist will heal quickly is more thought provoking.

What about the Marshall, though? His injury was VERY similar to the parachutist's, yet his condition got worse until he finally had to be put out of his misery

As someone elsewhere has said, maybe the fact he was euthanized cut short his healing process. Locke's leg's after being crushed in the door took time, though not nearly as long as Jack said. Sawyer's been shot, stabbed, tortured, nearly blown up and heals just fine. Ben, minus the back growth, healed up after Sayid beat the living crap out of him. But it all took time. Although something that does blow a hole in all of this is the Tailie with the broken leg. So I guess ignore everything I just said. I have no idea what is going on, and I kinda like it that way.

As someone elsewhere has said, maybe the fact he was euthanized cut short his healing process.

He had been suffering for nearly a week when he finally passed, yet the parachutist would heal after only a day or day and a half?

Sawyer's been shot, stabbed, tortured, nearly blown up and heals just fine.

Not true. After being stabbed, Jack had to take care of his wounds, and he nearly bled to death. After he was shot on the raft, he arrived back to the losties camp on a stretcher and nearly died of infection. As a matter of fact, the infection set in on the island.

Ben, minus the back growth, healed up after Sayid beat the living crap out of him. But it all took time.

Actually, Ben's injuries did heal amazingly fast.

I think it did heal Shannon's asthma. considering she recovered from an attack without medicine only to never have another attack? Asthma is an inflammation caused by sudden onset. Alot of people die without medicine in a very short period of time. Considering she recovered, I'd say the island did heal her.


Yes I posted this in another thread like this. I have asthma and there's no way that some plants just helped Shannon and she never had another attack so my assumption was that the island helped her.

This related to a theory I started recently that people who are on the ground heal and the ones who are lying on something don't seem to heal or at least not as fast. The parachutist seems to help this conclusion as well as Mikhail being alive. He was obviously making a reference to his condition as well. I think Ben's cancer has to do with living in houses and as Locke said cheating. This bolsters my theory but because I couldn't change the title of the thread, no one is going in there...damn

Ok so my ideas had to do with earlier on...the marshal was lying on a tarp or a makeshift bed of some kind, Boone was also...they both died. Charlie was on the ground and was brought back to life, now so was Mikhail and the parachutist was healed amazingly fast. When Shannon was having her attack I believe she was also lying on something, not the ground??

Not true. After being stabbed, Jack had to take care of his wounds, and he nearly bled to death. After he was shot on the raft, he arrived back to the losties camp on a stretcher and nearly died of infection. As a matter of fact, the infection set in on the island.

More evidence, when Sawyer was on the stretcher and in the hatch he wasn't doing well - even after his medicine he seemed to be healing slowly. After he got back to the beach he healed rather fast. He tends to sit on the ground reading a lot...

Yes I posted this in another thread like this. I have asthma and there's no way that some plants just helped Shannon and she never had another attack so my assumption was that the island helped her.

This related to a theory I started recently that people who are on the ground heal and the ones who are lying on something don't seem to heal or at least not as fast. The parachutist seems to help this conclusion as well as Mikhail being alive. He was obviously making a reference to his condition as well. I think Ben's cancer has to do with living in houses and as Locke said cheating. This bolsters my theory but because I couldn't change the title of the thread, no one is going in there...damn

Ok so my ideas had to do with earlier on...the marshal was lying on a tarp or a makeshift bed of some kind, Boone was also...they both died. Charlie was on the ground and was brought back to life, now so was Mikhail and the parachutist was healed amazingly fast. When Shannon was having her attack I believe she was also lying on something, not the ground??



More evidence, when Sawyer was on the stretcher and in the hatch he wasn't doing well - even after his medicine he seemed to be healing slowly. After he got back to the beach he healed rather fast. He tends to sit on the ground reading a lot...
Linerk, I like that line of thinking about being "directly" on the ground. If you want to change the title of your other thread, link me to it and let me know what you want to call it, I'd be happy to change it for you!

I think Boone and the Marshal's injuries were too severe to be reversed. Just like Sceve who had all his bones broken.. way too severe to be healed. I also agree that Shannon's asthma attack was very mild compared to what they should have been. We only saw her have one asthma attack after the crash, so she was probably almost over it completely.

What about the Marshall, though? His injury was VERY similar to the parachutist's, yet his condition got worse until he finally had to be put out of his misery.

It wasn't that similar. The Marshall's wound was a very sizeable bit of shrapnel that sliced through his abdomenal wall, shearing many muscles across his abdomen, and then puncturing his intestines, allowing the contents to spill inside his body, where they immediately began to putrify and fester. Although Jack was able to sew up the holes in his intestines, he was not able to completely clean out all the putrifying fluid that had been introduced inside the Marshall's abdominal cavity, which is why he developed peritinitis, which is a massive infection of the abdomenal region and is very painful and very deadly.

The Parachutist, on the other hand, had a puncture wound - not a slicing wound. It didn't shear through muscles, but rather poked through them, cutting just a few. If you can think of muscles as being stretchy ropy tendon things, you can see how you could poke something like a tree branch through this web of muscular strands without having as much damage as would happen by slicing through them with a sharp blade.

Then, the wound also was in a completely different part of the body. The Marshall's wound was in his abdomen, and the Parachutist's was in her lungs. The tree branch poked a hole through her muscles and between her ribs and penetrated her pleural sac. This is a very totally different type of wound than the one the Marshall received. The Marshall had a large (very large) piece of the airplane's body structure slice into his gut.

People die on this island, okay? Boone died from internal hemhoraging. Shannon from being shot. Etc... But other times we've seen people, who although were messed up pretty badly, be able to heal fairly quick so long as their injuries were not totally fatal.

I'm not sure if this warrants a separate thread or not, but since it's along a similar line...

Why would an island hell bent on delivering a death wish to new life and to the mothers who bring it, simultaneously boost the male sperm count five fold? Eradicate life, but facilitate its conception?

any thoughts cause this is got my head spinnin.....
jobe.

Linerk, I like that line of thinking about being "directly" on the ground. If you want to change the title of your other thread, link me to it and let me know what you want to call it, I'd be happy to change it for you!


Oooh thanks - Ok I will find it... http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76302

I hope that worked. I don't know what to call it though...there is already a healing properties of the island. Maybe "How the Island Heals"??

Oh and I'm doing the happy dance that someone likes an idea of mine... :)

How's this?

How the Island Heals.....Location is Everything! (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76302)

Throw in Paulo's nicotine addiction and Charlies heroin problem. They seemed to struggle quite a bit and weren't magically cured.

merew,

Are those the same thing as physical injuries/diseases/health issues though? The two things you mentioned were addictions. The Island might treat them differently.

Thank you diabolo, that's perfect...yay

Well, Charlie didn't seem to struggle that much - I was actually thinking his withdrawal seemed pretty mild. As for Paulo, he too didn't seem to be too bad - quitting cigs one of the hardest things to do. Remember Sawyer also smoked in the beginning but ran out of cigs and it didn't seem to hard for him either.

People die on this island, okay? Boone died from internal hemhoraging. Shannon from being shot. Etc... But other times we've seen people, who although were messed up pretty badly, be able to heal fairly quick so long as their injuries were not totally fatal.

Ok I'll go along with you on that but what about Charlie?? What about Mikhail...he was bleeding from his ears, that's never a good sign.

This related to a theory I started recently that people who are on the ground heal and the ones who are lying on something don't seem to heal or at least not as fast.

But hasn't the parachutist been lying on her parachute that they used to catch her with?

I think Boone and the Marshal's injuries were too severe to be reversed. Just like Sceve who had all his bones broken.. way too severe to be healed. I also agree that Shannon's asthma attack was very mild compared to what they should have been. We only saw her have one asthma attack after the crash, so she was probably almost over it completely.


Except a punctured lung is just as deadly as Boone and the Marshel's injury. Having a punctured lung heal up without surgery and in a day is not happening anywhere else but the island.

Still her injuries were just as sever as Boone's and the Marshel's and she appears to be fine in a day or two.

But hasn't the parachutist been lying on her parachute that they used to catch her with?

Hmmm good point, can anyone confirm or have a screenshot, it's possible there's a part of her touching the ground though...

It may be more related to the makeshift bed than lying on a tarp in that case, or in the hatch or in othersville - in the houses??

[quote=GodBlessTexas;1515540]He had been suffering for nearly a week when he finally passed, yet the parachutist would heal after only a day or day and a half?

The Marshall could have been healed, but we will never know because Sawyer managed to miss a point blanc shot, thuscomplicating matter to a point that led Jack to euthanize him. .

I'm not sure if this warrants a separate thread or not, but since it's along a similar line...

Why would an island hell bent on delivering a death wish to new life and to the mothers who bring it, simultaneously boost the male sperm count five fold? Eradicate life, but facilitate its conception?

any thoughts cause this is got my head spinnin.....
jobe.


In the vein of linerk's theory, the women died in a medical facility. Claire, who successfully gave birth, did so in the jungle on the ground!

In the vein of linerk's theory, the women died in a medical facility. Claire, who successfully gave birth, did so in the jungle on the ground!

:14happy: good point...I was going to mention Claire but forgot...thanks I am really getting into this theory

:14happy: good point...I was going to mention Claire but forgot...thanks I am really getting into this theory

Me, too! I'm heading over to your thread!

There's not much there right now because it was hard to get it going.

Sorry to the OP of this thread, I was not intending to steal any thunder but your Shannon asthma question made me think about when she had the attack and then after when she was better. Does anyone remember exactly. I know she was on something when Sun was treating her with plants but I can't remember what happened directly afterwards....

Mikhail had a seazure IMO the sonic fence doesnt kill humans it is to repell Smokie. Although when you watched Juliet turn on the sonic fence she did dial it up to maximum level. If you go back and watch that EP you'll see Mikhail still breathing, which wasn't obiviously a techinical error.

I didn't see him breathing, have to go and check again.

Why would an island hell bent on delivering a death wish to new life and to the mothers who bring it, simultaneously boost the male sperm count five fold? Eradicate life, but facilitate its conception?
My guess is that whatever properties the island has to cure disease, it does so by boosting the immune system to an extreme degree. In the case of the women, the immune systems of the babies created by the new super sperm (and probably super eggs as well,) reject the host organism, the mother, thus killing her.

I agree, Shannon's asthma was cured. I really like the theory about being on the ground. Great observation.

Thanks Mona

That's an interesting thought about the immune systems...didn't Juliet say that some women made it fairly far into their pregnancy - I wonder if they are not working on a way to save the mothers as much as save the babies...

I assumed that Shannon was having asthma related problems that she quickly recognized. She didn't know where her medication was so she started panicking, which made her breathing worse. Didn't Jack try and "coach" her in to relaxing and slowing her breathing down? So I'm going with the idea that it was mostly panic attack/psychological issue, which is a very real issue with people with respiratory diseases.

As far as the marshal and Boone... even if the island can speed up the healing process, it doesn't seem to be speeding up metabolisms or other bodily functions (The island hasn't cured Hurley's morbid obesity) so someone can still bleed to death, if the bleeding (internal or external) isn't stopped.

Hi All,

I was looking at things a different way with regards to the healing properties of the island. It seems that the island can cure people of injuries or illnesses that are not genetically based in nature.

To me, I didn't get the impression that Shannon was totally cured of asthma because of the way they focused on it in episode Confidence Man (1:8). To me, if the island did cure Shannon it would be drastic in nature similar to how Locke/Rose were cured and she would have never had the asthma attack in the first place. Isn't there more involved in curing cancer or paralysis vs. asthma? (e.g. there is medicine that can help pacify asthma symptoms, there is not medicine that can pacify/cure cancer or paralysis)

I have read articles that (e.g. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1608192.stm) that seem too point to asthma being based on genetics.

Maybe the island can heal people of injuries and illnesses, but it can't change someone's DNA.

Just a thought.

Yes I posted this in another thread like this. I have asthma and there's no way that some plants just helped Shannon and she never had another attack so my assumption was that the island helped her.

This related to a theory I started recently that people who are on the ground heal and the ones who are lying on something don't seem to heal or at least not as fast.

Wasn't there a Tallie that died from a broken leg? He was lying on the ground. And there were probably many passengers that had traumas who died while lying on the ground b/c they were thrown out of the plane!! I agree the island seems to heal some but not others. There doesn't seem to be a real pattern, though.

Ok I am going to address the asthma situation because I have asthma and I have done research on it and have had to go to the hospital with asthma attacks. Yes, panicking does make the attack worse but just calming down doesn't stop the attack. Boone mentioned that Shannon had bad asthma and he carried 5 or 6 inhalers with him. If you have mild asthma you don't carry that much medication. When I travel I take about 5 or 6 with me and I have bad asthma. It did seem to be healed because there was no mention of it later on and if it was that bad it wouldn't just go away - running through the jungle in the rain and even sex could have caused another attack. I wish they had made more mention of it but perhaps we are supposed to assume or it's possible the writers don't know very much about the disease. I would assume if they were going to use it, they would have done some research. No one in my family has asthma and it's widely believed to be cause by something children are exposed to growing up. Calgary, AB happens to be in what they call "the asthma belt". Also, I didn't have asthma from birth - I developed it later on so maybe if you are born with it, it's genetic. They still don't know for sure what causes asthma.

At least we finally have proof that things are going on that we don't see so maybe it will come up again in a future ep.

Wasn't there a Tallie that died from a broken leg? He was lying on the ground. And there were probably many passengers that had traumas who died while lying on the ground b/c they were thrown out of the plane!! I agree the island seems to heal some but not others. There doesn't seem to be a real pattern, though.

Agreed that there were some people that seemed to die of smaller injuries in the pilot ep, I haven't figured that part out yet but maybe it relates to that good/evil idea. Maybe they had already lost too much blood - the island can't replace blood but it can heal?? That's why I am not positive I'm right but I think there's something to it. I also think what Mikhail said and what Locke said in othersville about cheating might be very revealing in this regard.

I think the healing process has more to do with what plan the island has for you. If the island has no plan, then you die outright as if you are in the 'real world'. Sometimes, it may keep people alive only to have them die latter. When we have more answers as to why the castaways/Others are here in the first place, we will see why the characters that have died did so.

Maybe it is more that the island finds a person worthy of being healed. If it doesn't find someone worthy of healing quickly, then that person may pass or heal slowly.

Ok maybe the best example is Sawyer...granted when he first got shot, he was doing badly but then he had to hike with the tailies so he wasn't lying on the ground and possibly couldn't benefit from it's healing properties. When they carried him on the stretcher to camp he was doing very badly, then he was put in the bed in the hatch...still looked like he was dying. He got his medicine and started feeling better. Kate took him outside and as far as I can remember he went back to his spot on the beach after that?? He seemed to heal very quickly after that, he went with Jack on the hike to find Michael shortly after and he was still sore but he seemed to be doing rather well by then no??

There's not much there right now because it was hard to get it going.

Sorry to the OP of this thread, I was not intending to steal any thunder but your Shannon asthma question made me think about when she had the attack and then after when she was better. Does anyone remember exactly. I know she was on something when Sun was treating her with plants but I can't remember what happened directly afterwards....


It's totally OK! :) I don't think I've ever made a thread that got as many posts as this before anyway.

It's hard to determine how and why the island chooses some people and some ailments to heal and not others. People can die on the island of very grave injuries. We've seen that many times before. So it's not like a magic healing that happens. I think the island heals or doesn't heal for a reason, absolutely. Why was Rose's cancer cured and not Ben's tumor? There are too many questions, I think this one won't be answered for a long time!

Except a punctured lung is just as deadly as Boone and the Marshel's injury. Having a punctured lung heal up without surgery and in a day is not happening anywhere else but the island.

Still her injuries were just as sever as Boone's and the Marshel's and she appears to be fine in a day or two.

I guess I didn't realize that a punctured lung was such a life-threatening situation. The marshal had a huge chunk of metal embedded in his chest, I truly do not see how the healing properties of the island could have reversed that much injury, same with a fatal gunshot wound. I've seen shows before where people have had collapsed lungs, and they had to puncture it themselves to relieve it. Of course, I'm not doctor either. :rolleyes:

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Ok, so we learned that the island can apparently heal people. I guess we kind of already knew because of Locke. But, this brings up the question of selection. We have seen plenty of people die, be it by murder or mishap on the island. But what's up with the apparent picking and choosing?

Obviously, the island cannot stop death, but something about it makes people heal a lot faster than normal. This is where it gets tricky, because why didn’t Boone heal, or the cop transporting Kate?? Does this have anything with helping only “good” people??

Personally, I think that the island can heal, but not necessarily cure people. If I remember correctly, Boone had a nasty infection aching his leg (which is why the leg had to go).
Parachute lady could’ve died from the blood in her lungs, but Patchy saved her and now she can heal. There are more examples, but too little time to type.

But what about Rose’s cancer? Well, we don’t really know for sure if her cancer is gone.
Not to mention Ben’s tumor. I was just hoping to get a dialogue started about the overall healing (key word there is HEALING) abilities of the island.


Any thoughts? Remarks?

I think it does have healing properties, which is why Rose no longer has cancer and Locke can walk. But, I don't think it can bring people back from the dead.

Someone said to me, during the episode, that Mikhail was Smokey. Just like Echo's brother appeared to him right before he died, but I don't like that theory.

I think Mikhail was alive the whole time, just knocked out with an erratic heartbeat from being electrocuted...or something to that effect.

I think the island's healing properties could be the reason the women can't carry to term. I want to say something about antibodies and immune systems but it won't come out right :undecide: This theory is supported by the fact that whatever causes the women to die can't be healed by the island, therefore maybe the healing itself is the problem?

I'm sure someone who knows more about biology than I do could expand on this theory :biggrin:

Hmm sudden large scale trauma does result in death so there is a limit to how fast people heal on the island.Speeded up healing powers don't cure fast enough to prevent death from say gunshot wounds or broken necks etc? But Locke walked too soon after the crash for that to be a consistant explanation. :confused:

Verias, I think what you are describing is the bodies amped up healing power treating the embyo as a foreign object and trying to heal the mother as if it is fighting an infection? An internal conflict between mother & embryo? Like you say someone with more biological/medical knowledge can flesh this concept out a lot better. But I wonder if the shots prepared by Juliet for mothers dampens down the efforts of either the mother's or the infant's (or both) immune system? As the embryo develops into an fetus it's developing immune system starts to conflict with the mother's?

Let's assume for sake of this theory that what the island does to speed healing is boost the body's immune system. Healing would be faster, but not instantaneous. Also, I will buy the idea that maybe it would cause the mother's body to reject the fetus. It's plausible.

The same questions are being asked over and over and over again in post after post...

What's with the speedy healing? And why does the island heal some people or injuries and not others? I don't believe that the island has 'magical healing' properties at all. I believe healing takes place absolutely normally. I think it is the perceived TIME the healing takes that is at play. So fatal wounds are fatal. Non-fatal wounds heal. Wounds that would normally heal, such as perforated eardrums would heal. Growing back a missing limb or eyeball would not. See my full post: Healing, Time & What the hell did I stumble on to? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77577) for my detailed theory. Pregnancies, cancer, etc... all addressed there.

Hmm sudden large scale trauma does result in death so there is a limit to how fast people heal on the island.Speeded up healing powers don't cure fast enough to prevent death from say gunshot wounds or broken necks etc? But Locke walked too soon after the crash for that to be a consistant explanation. :confused:


the only thing i can come up with about locke is what ben has already said, locke has a special connection (or was it communion?) with the island...plus....

there's a promo pic of ben standing up locking down on a sleeping locke in what looks like the others campsite (tents were everywhere) how does ben magically get out of the wheelchair??

It's totally OK! I don't think I've ever made a thread that got as many posts as this before anyway.

Ah isn't that nice...it was a good question and I had pondered it at first as well but like I said I think it was cured somehow.

It's hard to determine how and why the island chooses some people and some ailments to heal and not others. People can die on the island of very grave injuries. We've seen that many times before. So it's not like a magic healing that happens. I think the island heals or doesn't heal for a reason, absolutely. Why was Rose's cancer cured and not Ben's tumor? There are too many questions, I think this one won't be answered for a long time!

Well see that was my point, Ben was living in othersville and Rose was cured on the beach...see??

Sorry if this has already been posted:

Ok, so we learned that the island can apparently heal people. I guess we kind of already knew because of Locke. But, this brings up the question of selection. We have seen plenty of people die, be it by murder or mishap on the island. But what's up with the apparent picking and choosing?

Obviously, the island cannot stop death, but something about it makes people heal a lot faster than normal. This is where it gets tricky, because why didn’t Boone heal, or the cop transporting Kate?? Does this have anything with helping only “good” people??

Personally, I think that the island can heal, but not necessarily cure people. If I remember correctly, Boone had a nasty infection aching his leg (which is why the leg had to go).
Parachute lady could’ve died from the blood in her lungs, but Patchy saved her and now she can heal. There are more examples, but too little time to type.

But what about Rose’s cancer? Well, we don’t really know for sure if her cancer is gone.
Not to mention Ben’s tumor. I was just hoping to get a dialogue started about the overall healing (key word there is HEALING) abilities of the island.


Any thoughts? Remarks?

i always assumed good people were healed and bad people were left to rot

The same questions are being asked over and over and over again in post after post... it is a good question. But I think looking for magical answers is barking up the wrong tree.

What's with the speedy healing? And why does the island heal some people or injuries and not others? I don't believe that the island has 'magical healing' properties at all. I believe healing takes place absolutely normally. Fatal wounds are fatal. Non-fatal wounds heal. Wounds that would normally heal with time, such as perforated eardrums would heal. Growing back a missing limb or eyeball would not. Asthma would not heal. It does not heal with time. Some cancers might heal with chemotherapy & time. Other cancers/tumors may not and only get progressively worse with time. I think it is the perceived TIME in which the healing takes that is at play. See my full post: Healing, Time & What the hell did I stumble on to? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77577) for my detailed theory.

Whats more interesting to me is how fast the island heals people. Parachuter McGee had a branch puncture her lung and she was near death had Mikhail not come along. Once he fixed her, I dont remember the exact line, but he said it would take a day to heal her. Then he re-stated that it would take a day and a half after Charlie said something to him. A day and a half to heal that kind of wound? Im no doctor, but that seems quick to me.

The same questions are being asked over and over and over again in post after post... it is a good question. But I think looking for magical answers is barking up the wrong tree.

What's with the speedy healing? And why does the island heal some people or injuries and not others? I don't believe that the island has 'magical healing' properties at all. I believe healing takes place absolutely normally. Fatal wounds are fatal. Non-fatal wounds heal. Wounds that would normally heal with time, such as perforated eardrums would heal. Growing back a missing limb or eyeball would not. Asthma would not heal. It does not heal with time. Some cancers might heal with chemotherapy & time. Other cancers/tumors may not and only get progressively worse with time. I think it is the perceived TIME in which the healing takes that is at play. See my full post: Healing, Time & What the hell did I stumble on to? (http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=77577) for my detailed theory.Perceived time could work but perhaps the speedy healing you mention is a valid alternate solution? Twice as fast or four times as fast or some unknown amount faster on island than off? Some things are not naturally cured such as Sawyer's eyesight. However if the healing process is speeded up and/or the immune system is strengthened the threshold for how serious an injury must be to cause death would be set at a higher level . People still die from serious injury (Boone, Shannon, Ana etc) but with faster healing some injuries that would be fatal off island are survivable on island. Injuries that would not heal off island might heal on island (Locke) but again it would depend on how serious they are. A change in the immune system could also have an effect on how pregnant women react to the child bearing process.

from 2-19 s.o.s.

[FLASHBACK]

Back in Australia, we see Rose being led into a room.
AUSSIE WOMAN: Right this way, Rose. Please, make yourself comfortable. Isaac will be right with you.[
The room is filled with crutches hanging from the high ceiling. Rose investigates a wall covered with thank you notes to Isaac. Isaac enters.

isaac: You must be Rose. Why don't you have a seat.
rose: So, um, how does this work? I sit here and you chant, pray, or what?

isaac: There are certain places with great energy -- spots on the Earth like the one we're above now. Perhaps this energy is geological -- magnetic. Or perhaps it's something else. And when possible I harness this energy and give it to others. May I?


[He puts his hands near Rose's face and closes his eyes. He suddenly opens his eyes, looking disturbed

ROSEWhat? What, what is it?
ISAAC: I'm sorry. I can't do anything for you, Rose.
ROSE: I didn't expect you to.

ISAAC: It's not that you can't be healed. Like I said, there's different energies. This is not the right place for you.

ROSE: Where is the right place?
ISAAC: I wish I knew. I'll return your husband's donation.
ROSE: Don't. I'm going to tell him you fixed me. I'm going to tell him you fixed me




the healing guy [isaac] mentioned that there are different energies... and told rose that australia wasnt the one for her but implied there is a right place for her (island) .

i believe the writiers have consistently used flashbacks as mortar for what is going on in the island, since many times we see losties in the other losties flashback but at the time had no idea who they were going to be to them.....

so simply the island can heal some people but not other people...

Reading through this thread has generated some thoughts in my mind.....

As a wise man once said, everything happens for a reason. What if the island is remedying mistakes, or rather events that aren't supposed to happen or could alter the future. It is entirely possible that all of the characters that have been healed have been so for a reason. Perhaps by being where they are they will accelerate certain events, or certain things cannot happen without them and the island recognises this.

This is similar to Desmond's current status. In his flashback episode, the old woman said that no matter how many times she tried to save someone's life, death would eventually 'course correct' because it is their time. On the island, no matter how many times someone pivotal is in danger the island accelerates their recovery. Course-correcting at the other end of the spectrum, that character isn't SUPPOSED to die, well not yet anyway. :cool:

Just thought I'd best post before this all disappeared from easily distracted mind. :biggrin:

Ok I am going to address the asthma situation because I have asthma and I have done research on it and have had to go to the hospital with asthma attacks. Yes, panicking does make the attack worse but just calming down doesn't stop the attack. Boone mentioned that Shannon had bad asthma and he carried 5 or 6 inhalers with him. If you have mild asthma you don't carry that much medication. When I travel I take about 5 or 6 with me and I have bad asthma. It did seem to be healed because there was no mention of it later on and if it was that bad it wouldn't just go away - running through the jungle in the rain and even sex could have caused another attack. I wish they had made more mention of it but perhaps we are supposed to assume or it's possible the writers don't know very much about the disease. I would assume if they were going to use it, they would have done some research. No one in my family has asthma and it's widely believed to be cause by something children are exposed to growing up. Calgary, AB happens to be in what they call "the asthma belt". Also, I didn't have asthma from birth - I developed it later on so maybe if you are born with it, it's genetic. They still don't know for sure what causes asthma.

I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, but I do a lot of writing for medical pieces. A program I had worked on for a couple of years was for an asthma medication. (And I do have mild asthma.) Asthma is typically, not always, caused by an allergy trigger. I know my asthma is always triggered by my allergies to dogs and cats. I can begin having an asthma attack simply by being in the same room with someone who played with a cat earlier in the day.

My wife, whose asthma attacks are more severe than mine, was thought of as a "sickly" kid because she was having attacks all through childhood before asthma was thought of as a result of an allergy. They kept cats in the house. Once she left her house "magically" her asthma occurred infrequently. She occasionally gets a mild attack from mold or dust.

BACK ON TOPIC -- Great theory! Ana Lucia and Libby, who were in the hatch, would be protected (?) from the healing process. But there must be something to severity of the injury. Think about Goodwin breaking the neck of...can't remember the guy's name. Ethan, Artz, Goodwin.

perhaps the asthma attack was all in her head.

What about the already forgotten Nikki & Paulo...they were both on the sand the whole time they were paralyzed. We haven't sen them pop up from the grave yet...

perhaps the asthma attack was all in her head.

that's just insulting to people who have asthma...but I'll let it go

benster,

I hear what you're saying but I think Shannon had the kind of asthma I have, I do react to allergens but I also can't run very far without having an attack and sometimes I just have attacks for no reason, it's pretty severe and there are medications that help but nothing that's really able to get rid of my attacks fullly. I get the feeling Shannon wasn't on any steroids or other medications...maybe she was stubborn about it. Anyway, unfortunately there's no way to know what happened excatly and I would like to. Has anyone posted this question to TPTB???

BACK ON TOPIC -- Great theory! Ana Lucia and Libby, who were in the hatch, would be protected (?) from the healing process. But there must be something to severity of the injury. Think about Goodwin breaking the neck of...can't remember the guy's name. Ethan, Artz, Goodwin.

Thanks, obviously there are holes in it due to things like people who died in the beginning even though they were on the ground and some other things that have been mentioned. I think in the case of life threatening injuries, we have to look at Charlie...I mean he was for all intents and purposes dead no?? I still think that what Mikhail and Locke said were huge clues...especially Mikhail in this ep.

Regarding the pregnant women, I was watching Oprah with Dr. Oz (he's very good) and a women was on that would get numb after sex with her husband. They had kids already and Dr. Oz said something interesting about the fetus being a part of her husband and her body developing antibodies or something. I have to go look into it more but basically she was allergic to her husbands sperm. Weird that it would come up now...

What about the already forgotten Nikki & Paulo...they were both on the sand the whole time they were paralyzed. We haven't sen them pop up from the grave yet...

I think they were suffocated by being buried alive so....I think that explains it. Although why the paralyzing effect lasted so long...is interesting.

from 2-19 s.o.s.

[FLASHBACK]

Back in Australia, we see Rose being led into a room.
AUSSIE WOMAN: Right this way, Rose. Please, make yourself comfortable. Isaac will be right with you.[
The room is filled with crutches hanging from the high ceiling. Rose investigates a wall covered with thank you notes to Isaac. Isaac enters.

isaac: You must be Rose. Why don't you have a seat.
rose: So, um, how does this work? I sit here and you chant, pray, or what?

isaac: There are certain places with great energy -- spots on the Earth like the one we're above now. Perhaps this energy is geological -- magnetic. Or perhaps it's something else. And when possible I harness this energy and give it to others. May I?


[He puts his hands near Rose's face and closes his eyes. He suddenly opens his eyes, looking disturbed

ROSEWhat? What, what is it?
ISAAC: I'm sorry. I can't do anything for you, Rose.
ROSE: I didn't expect you to.

ISAAC: It's not that you can't be healed. Like I said, there's different energies. This is not the right place for you.

ROSE: Where is the right place?
ISAAC: I wish I knew. I'll return your husband's donation.
ROSE: Don't. I'm going to tell him you fixed me. I'm going to tell him you fixed me




the healing guy [isaac] mentioned that there are different energies... and told rose that australia wasnt the one for her but implied there is a right place for her (island) .

i believe the writiers have consistently used flashbacks as mortar for what is going on in the island, since many times we see losties in the other losties flashback but at the time had no idea who they were going to be to them.....

so simply the island can heal some people but not other people...

This is what I have been trying to get across to people as well. I remember this very well and thinking at the time this is important. Now I did not start watching lost when it first came out but it was like at the end of S2 but I have watched all the epis from S1 and S2 at least two times each so maybe this stuff is just a little more fresh on my mind. I really do think this is a important point to remember. I will also say this again I think that if Ben who the island is not helping him went to the place Rose was told that she could not be healed there that maybe Ben would be able to be healed there.

that's just insulting to people who have asthma...but I'll let it go

benster,

I hear what you're saying but I think Shannon had the kind of asthma I have, I do react to allergens but I also can't run very far without having an attack and sometimes I just have attacks for no reason, it's pretty severe and there are medications that help but nothing that's really able to get rid of my attacks fullly. I get the feeling Shannon wasn't on any steroids or other medications...maybe she was stubborn about it. Anyway, unfortunately there's no way to know what happened excatly and I would like to. Has anyone posted this question to TPTB???

Sorry if I seemed dismissive at all. I wasn't questioning the cause of your asthma, and there are people, like you obviously, who have constriction through exercise and such. I just wanted clear up the blanket statement that nobody knows the cause of asthma, only because it's misleading to the many people who fight it and don't know that there are known causes and quality of life treatments. My neighbor's kid fought asthma to the point where the parents wouldn't let him outside. I suggested they try a different doctor. They found out the cause was an allergen and now he's living a completely new life.


Thanks, obviously there are holes in it due to things like people who died in the beginning even though they were on the ground and some other things that have been mentioned. I think in the case of life threatening injuries, we have to look at Charlie...I mean he was for all intents and purposes dead no?? I still think that what Mikhail and Locke said were huge clues...especially Mikhail in this ep.

AND BACK ON TOPIC AGAIN!

I forget what Charlie was dying from, but what I remember is that he was hanging by a tree and when they cut him to the ground, he got better. I may be wrong, but doesn't that work into your theory?

I think when people are shot or a foreign object gets into the body there may be an obstacle in the healing process. Or perhaps the closer to the beach you are, the farther away you are to the magnets, the less the healing power.

I don't know for sure, but this is one of the better theories I've heard.

Do we have any clue what Shannon's allergen was?


And it seems to me that the island just boosts the immune system and lets things heal quicker. What is this place, Eden?

Sorry if I seemed dismissive at all. I wasn't questioning the cause of your asthma, and there are people, like you obviously, who have constriction through exercise and such. I just wanted clear up the blanket statement that nobody knows the cause of asthma, only because it's misleading to the many people who fight it and don't know that there are known causes and quality of life treatments. My neighbor's kid fought asthma to the point where the parents wouldn't let him outside. I suggested they try a different doctor. They found out the cause was an allergen and now he's living a completely new life.

No, no I didn't mean that benster - when I said cause I should have been clearer. What I meant was, people like me who have asthma all the time (although they told me I would grow out of it) regardless of allergens. They don't know what the original cause is...it's not like some diseases where they can pinpoint a genetic factor or something people are exposed to. There are people who only have allergic asthma but that's a very different thing than what I have. I was under the impression that Shannon's asthma was like mine. Boone said she had bad asthma and couldn't go anywhere without her inhalers. I have the same situation. I can't go out for dinner without bringing mine just in case. I have had reactions to msg and I am allergic to a lot of animals but like I said sometimes I just have attacks...I do find that when I'm camping, my symptoms are a lot better.

I forget what Charlie was dying from, but what I remember is that he was hanging by a tree and when they cut him to the ground, he got better. I may be wrong, but doesn't that work into your theory?

I think when people are shot or a foreign object gets into the body there may be an obstacle in the healing process. Or perhaps the closer to the beach you are, the farther away you are to the magnets, the less the healing power.

Yes Charlie's was a very good example for my theory. I really like your last bit about foreign objects...I hadn't thought of that. That's very cool!! And yes someone else has a theory about location on the island which is very good too. Sorry I forgot who that was.

I like this time is different on the island theory as well...eeeek head ....going ....to....explode

I have a feeling Mikhail knows a lot about this healing thing, damn if we could just ask him.

that's just insulting to people who have asthma...but I'll let it go

benster,

I hear what you're saying but I think Shannon had the kind of asthma I have, I do react to allergens but I also can't run very far without having an attack and sometimes I just have attacks for no reason, it's pretty severe and there are medications that help but nothing that's really able to get rid of my attacks fullly. I get the feeling Shannon wasn't on any steroids or other medications...maybe she was stubborn about it. Anyway, unfortunately there's no way to know what happened excatly and I would like to. Has anyone posted this question to TPTB???



Thanks, obviously there are holes in it due to things like people who died in the beginning even though they were on the ground and some other things that have been mentioned. I think in the case of life threatening injuries, we have to look at Charlie...I mean he was for all intents and purposes dead no?? I still think that what Mikhail and Locke said were huge clues...especially Mikhail in this ep.

Regarding the pregnant women, I was watching Oprah with Dr. Oz (he's very good) and a women was on that would get numb after sex with her husband. They had kids already and Dr. Oz said something interesting about the fetus being a part of her husband and her body developing antibodies or something. I have to go look into it more but basically she was allergic to her husbands sperm. Weird that it would come up now...



I think they were suffocated by being buried alive so....I think that explains it. Although why the paralyzing effect lasted so long...is interesting.

He wasn't trying to be insulting; I think he meant psychosomatic.

And Dr. Phil isn't a real doctor. Be wary of what he says and his shows -- TV editing can do magic.

Milgram, I just meant that an attack like that for me would never be psychosomatic...asthma doesn't work that way. At least not when you have bad asthma, granted it can get worse when you panic or get really upset but that's not quite the same thing. Like I said you can't just end the attack without some medication. Again, I'm talking about bad asthma here. I didn't think he was trying to be insulting - that's why I let it go :)

As for your last comment, I said Dr. Oz not Dr. Phil. Dr. Phil is in psychology and as far as I know he is really a psychologist or psychiatrist (I don't know for sure though - keep in mind he may have a degree in psychology which doesn't make him a doctor but still allows him to counsel) ...Dr. Laura on the other hand is not a doctor in any sense of the word. Dr. Oz is a real medical doctor - actually he's a heart surgeon.

I wonder why Shannon's asthma didn't get worse. From what Juliet said, a woman's immune system treats her fetus as something foreign and she eventually dies from her immune system's over-reaction to something it should ignore. As I understand it, asthma is also caused by the immune system over-reacting to something (dust, animal dander, etc.) it should ignore. The two situations seem similiar. I also wonder why the mother's immune system isn't able to kill the fetus without the mother dying as can happen with untreated Rh-incompatablilty. Perhaps the baby's cells are reproducing as fast as the man's sperm cells and the mother's immune system is unable to keep them in check while she dies trying? Cells that reproduce themselves faster than normal would help the body to heal quickly but might form tumors if the immune system didn't keep them in check. That might explain why Ben was surprized he had a tumor growing but there is no mention of it metastasizing. A hyperactive immune system might be expected to heal infections faster than normal--but what if the bacteria were growing faster than usual, too?

I'm not sure whether all the health effects of the Island can be tied into one nice Unified Theory of Island. I am very sure that my head is spinning as I try.

Dr. Phil is in psychology and as far as I know he is really a psychologist or psychiatrist (I don't know for sure though - keep in mind he may have a degree in psychology which doesn't make him a doctor but still allows him to counsel) ...ER ah being a doctor is not limited to being a being a doctor of medicine. A PHD in any field psychology or literature or music/philosophy/history etc would make the holder a "doctor" and entitled to use Doctor as a title prefacing his or her name. .

I like the theory about the closer to the ground you are the better the island healing properties are. I tried to post on the thread about it but I couldn't find it? Anyway someone posted about Charlies Drug withdrawl and why the island gave him no relief from it. A long time ago I saw a show about Heroin withdrawl and how doctors were putting patients in medically induced comas so they would have a "safer withdrawl" from the drug since some addicts acttually die from the withdrawl, I guess it's horrible. Well, many former Heroin addicts came forward about this and said it was the easy way out and unless You went through the pain of withdrawl you would be more likely to use again. Maybe because giving up Heroin is more of a "life lesson" the "island" would consider it cheating for Charlie not experience that pain. Although if I remember he only seemed to be fighting off a cold, he was able to fool everyone except Jack who gave him some asprin. I thought Patients withdrawing from heroin were confinded to their beds for a few days at least and violently ill? Well, this got me thing about Paulo and Niki's spider bites. Maybe the spider venom was considered more like a drug and the island left it alone? Who knows, just a thought.

And Dr. Phil isn't a real doctor. Be wary of what he says and his shows -- TV editing can do magic.

Sorry for the OT, but Dr. Phil is a "real" doctor. He has a PhD.

However, the poster did not mention Dr. Phil, but Dr. Oz, who is also a real doctor. He's an MD.
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Let's not forget Sawyer's eyes. His poor eyesight wasn't healed by the island.

ER ah being a doctor is not limited to being a being a doctor of medicine. A PHD in any field psychology or literature or music/philosophy/history etc would make the holder a "doctor" and entitled to use Doctor as a title prefacing his or her name. .

OT - Yes, I know a PHD makes you a doctor, I just wasn't sure if Dr. Phil had his PHD or not. I was pretty sure he did but like I said, not totally confident in that. I just meant if he had a bachelor's in psychology, he wouldn't be a doctor but would still be qualified to counsel. Anyway yes as the previous poster said, I meant Dr. Oz who is a medical doctor - a heart surgeon in fact. And back to that, I thought the fact that a woman can produce antibodies against her husband's sperm was very interesting. I want to research this more - I'll post when I find something out.

abbybaby - the link to my thread is here http://www.thefuselage.com/Threaded/showthread.php?t=76302

I'm not sure where the other location thread is

Ok back to topic, Sawyer's eyesight wasn't healed but maybe that's not something worth healing...ie. it's not life threatening - although Locke's paralysis wasn't either...but maybe Locke's paralysis would have been life threatening on the island. Maybe the island just doesn't care about eyesight... :rolleyes:

I don't know about Nikki and Paulo - all healing theories being considered, they should have been healed sooner than 8 hours...but maybe because the paralysis itself wasn't life threatening it wasn't?? I wonder about them being buried though. There would be a lot of proof for my theory if they managed to get out of those graves...