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I really, really didn't love it! Infact, I thought the episode sucked--and I never think that Lost sucks. I just think that this episode lacked substance. It was all just smoke and mirrors. Not much real information was dished out, not anything we hadn't already guessed anyway. So Ben's a liar. No big shock there. The Others are actually bad. Uh yeah, no kidding! Locke got in over his head. Well who didn't see that coming? Did I expect Locke to get shot? No, but I doubt that he will stay dead. After Mikhail's resurrection and the creepy Grizzly Adams ghost in the rocking chair, I suppose anything can happen.

And why was all of the potenially interesting dialog missing from the beach camps scenes? I wanted to see Sayid's and Kate's inital reactions to the tape recorder. I wanted to see Sayid call everyone to the meeting and spill the beans about Naomi. But no, all of that was either cut out, or no one ever even bothered to write it.

To me this whole episode just felt like the writers are getting lazy. Like they think that as long as the ending of an episode is shocking, it doen't matters what they put in the beginning and the middle.

In my opinion, the dots just aren't connecting in an interesting way. I certianly hope that the next two weeks are a lot better than this one. But if the preview for next week is any indication, it doesn't look too hopeful.

Thats it for me as well. Its just not making any sense! I refuse to watch a show for another three seasons and them continually telling me that it will make sense in the end. Well I guess I will just catch the last few episodes for season 6....

No confontation at the beach. Jack gets away with saying "I hadn't decided what to do" ????????? Who the ell died and left him in charge? Everyone of them is wishy washy about the Others...so now Sun had a bit of bonding with Juliet, and now she doesn't think she's so bad??? Did we forget that Charlie was hung by them, did we forget poor Steve who was killed by them? The only thing that made me laugh was Naomi's comment, but not because of the story, but its how I feel about the characters!! Plus, very ODD place to put her comment. It didn't flow with the scene...

As for Locke and the whole Ben flashback....meh. I was shocked that Locke was shot, but its not going to take. Notice it wasn't in the heart, so not lethal, note that Ben told Locke that he better hope Jacob will save him, note that Jacob talked to Locke, note that Jacob is able to cure cancer...only POSSIBLE outcome....Locke is far from dead.

As for Jacob. WTF??? We have just really gone off the deep end here. I just don't know what to think about that whole scene. Sure its flashy, but it didn't tell us ANYTHING about Jacob, other than he may or may not be real....

The Others are the stupidest people I know. They have been following Ben for how long now because why?? Why hasn't Richard aged. He must be much older than Ben, and he fell for his pack of lies?? How is it that Ben knows Jacob, and the rest don't? What is Jacob? How did Ben come to be the only one to see him?

Lastly the whole story is just becoming too convoluted and not making sense as we go. We have heard that there is a smoke monster, voices in the woods, a box that gives you anything, a sickness that kills people, pregant women die, wild animals from zoos roam the island, there was an incident, there is the Dharma Initiative, there is the Hanslo Foundation, there is a group of original people on the island, there is a slave ship, there is some kind of force around the island making it "invisible", one of the characters can time travel, and also sees the future AND Walt was a special child....am I forgetting anything???

So they have some great story that will tie all these plot points together to make sense....I just don't want to waste the next three years of my life waiting for it to make sense!!!!

I will say that Lock was great in the episode, and if they had any balls they would keep him dead....

Ugh, I really, really didn't like this episode. Hardly anything was answered. Which doesn't normally bother me. But he new questions weren't interesting to me.

If that's Jacob, I don't care and don't want to know anymore. Too supernatural for me.

Smokey=Ben's Mom=Whispers. Cool. That was the only cool part. We didn't even get to see Ben's childhood girlfriend die in the hostile raid. WTF that was so obvious. So why didn't they show her??

Killing his dad? I just totally hated how it played out. The whole set up from Hurley's episode didn't work for me either. I didn't care about freaking Roger Work Man.

Killing Locke? Mildly surprising. His wheelchair story was done, and TOQ seemed done with Lost, so I wasn't terribly surprised. I wish he hadn't died before getting more answers for the fans, but whatever. I never liked Locke. Ever.

I'm confused about DHARMA and the Hostiles and how Inman fits in and Jacob and Alex... and someday I hope to find out. But right now? I honestly don't care very much.

I was stoked for a Ben FB and this totally fell flat for me.

Forgot to add how dissapointed I was about the beach stuff. Sun, Kate, Claire, Jin, EVERYONE should have had screen time to react. Jack's response? RIDICULOUS. And if they let him get away with that and just back to being their leader (dictator), I am going to be really annoyed.

I didn't love this as much as I expected to. In fact, the episode wasn't what I expected at all, in terms of FB and present content. It had its moments, but it wasn't the total stunner that last week's episode was. Now THAT was a Lost episode. This one was good, it was interesting, but I came away thinking "uhhh wtf?" more than anything else. Which I kind of like, but also not, in some ways.

Overall, I think I liked the parts of this episode that happened in the present time.


What I did not like was Ben's flashback. I also agree that I didn't care about
"Roger Work Man" and I felt that was contrived. I felt a lot of things were contrived.
The writers took a lot of little meaningless facts (like the existence of a blue VW)
and peppered the flashback with them. I never got the feeling that any of what we
were seeing was planned. Instead, the writers just worked with what had been revealed
and tried to tie it all together. The sonic fence and how Mikhail survived it. The sub.
The APOLLO bars. Roger Work Man (Please, God! Make it stop!). Just a lot of crap
thrown at the wall in order to try to make it look like all of this stuff wasn't made up
spur of the moment (which it obviously was). That's really sad. What a disappointment
Ben's flashback was. The only interesting parts of the flashback: 1. Richard Alpert in
the woods and 2. Ben's mom in the woods. The rest was terrible.


The scenes on the beach were filler, except for Jack's unsurprising reveal, but
Locke's scenes kept this episode from being a total loss.

I know more about Jacob will be revealed, but honestly, I had such a WTF moment that I almost turned off the tv. He's invisible? He's a ghost? Do I care?... not so much.

I as bored by the time we saw Roger get his Workman Dharma uniform.
Jacob is really a fake and Ben really is the man behind the curtain? Jacob is real and isn't fully there? Who cares. I would have rather Jacob been a computer or a volleyball (Wilson). Why didn't Richard age? I don't care. Locke is shot? Who couldn't see that coming? Alex gave him a gun, but given the chance, he didn't shoot Ben. Will Locke die? If he does, then I will be shocked. We all know he will pop up during the season finale or next week. He probably will kill Ben.

Ben's flashback was pure fluff. He had Daddy issues. Everyone on the show does. He killed his father. We saw Kate do that in Season 1, and Locke just had Sawyer kill Cooper.

The great news is they gave Locke a glorious final script. He found his brain and didn't believe Ben's schtick for a moment, even when he started in on the "you're special" bit. Mikhail's whooping was gratitious fun.
I'm pretty sure he's dead because otherwise all his grand dialogue and moments last night would have been for nought. The writers sent the man out in style. ~Cheers~ ~Big Toast~ to Locke, he was the MAN last night!

Everything else sucked.
Dharma Inititative Member = Bad Actor. The theme, or equation, of the night.

I could forgive Ben's hair but it's gonna take an exorcism to get that jacob scene out of my head. Not because it was scary, but because it was scarily bad. I hope they're done with Jacob.

Not the big pay off I was expecting. Absolutely nothing was revealed about Dharma, other then how they were killed off...and once again, you could have skipped the first 45 minutes of the show and not missed anything.

The timelines of several plots introduced over the last 3 season are starting to overlap and not hold up under scrutiny.

The only thing that saved it from a total loss was the ending, which did catch me by surprise.

I can't complain too much about the beach scenes. I'm pleased with how quickly the whole Juliet-is-a-mole situation got resolved. BUT I wasn't nearly as pleased with the REST of the episode. Despite my satisfaction with most of the beach scenes, I didn't like Jack's continued arrogant and entitled behavior. He acts all, "Why?!?!?!?" when he finds out that Desmond and Sayid are keeping Naomi from him, and yet at the SAME TIME, he's keeping a much more DANGEROUS "secret" of his own. Pompous hypocrite.

I really didn't like the rest of the episode. Are the "answers" we are supposed to have gotten "how Ben got to the island"? Because... I didn't care and still don't. The flashbacks were the same old sad, bad daddy story... zzzzzzz.

The Ben/Locke scenes? The death of me. Seriously. I like Locke, and I think Ben is (was) a cool character, but I don't think they are nearly as interesting (anymore) as they are supposed to be. Their scenes were just boring and pointless. Could they have dragged that out any longer? And for what? To end up at the Blair Witch house and then kill Locke off? I am displeased with all of this.

I hope Ben gets killed next week. Juliet and Tom can stick around, but I want the Others GONE. (Oh, one more thing... has Richard Alpert not aged in 30 years? That was him in the jungle with "young Ben" right?)

ETA: Just like "I'm working as a mole. I kidnapped Ben, and I'm going to kill him" was MUCH cooler than what actually happened, "I was born on this island" was MUCH cooler than what actually happened. Since obviously anything could be anything and there's no way to tell who is telling the truth, Ben was lying about being born on the island, thus creating one of the more redundant episodes of late. Don't we all know that Dharma was infiltrated by the Others already? Isn't that kind of "Cooper is the real Sawyer" standard issue knowledge at this point? Why did we have to sit through THIS episode instead of one where we learn about THE ACTUAL FREAKING OTHERS?

I was disappointed and quite annoyed-yeah they gave us a glimpse of Dharma, but we still don't really know what it's supposed to be aside from a hippie commune doing experiments for the greater good-which is what I thought it was all along-and the whole Jacob thing was completely annoying and reminded me of a cheap horror movie, not to mention instead of delving into Dharma more, now we have a whole other group of people we have to wonder about called "Hostiles"-Oh here we go.

On the beach that whole anticipated confrontation was a let down, no one trusted Jack since he came back with Juliet, but somehow what he said in those few minutes made everyone not question anymore. Yeah OK-and then Naomi asking if they want to be rescued was completely out of context then and made no sense.

I think it would be too obvious to think Locke will die, so the fact that Ben shot him was annoying too.

The only thing that got me thinking when I saw that screen shot of the bearded man with the long hair that is supposedly Jacob- it made me think back to when Tom used to run around in a fake beard-that wasn't really ever explained.

I could forgive Ben's hair but it's gonna take an exorcism to get that jacob scene out of my head. Not because it was scary, but because it was scarily bad. I hope they're done with Jacob.

I totally agree. Scarily bad. And why didn't they try to make Ben look any younger in the scene where he killed his father? That hair didn't help him look younger at all!!


I really didn't like the rest of the episode. Are the "answers" we are supposed to have gotten "how Ben got to the island"? Because... I didn't care and still don't. The flashbacks were the same old sad, bad daddy story... zzzzzzz.

The Ben/Locke scenes? The death of me. Seriously. I like Locke, and I think Ben is (was) a cool character, but I don't think they are nearly as interesting (anymore) as they are supposed to be. Their scenes were just boring and pointless. Could they have dragged that out any longer? And for what? To end up at the Blair Witch house and then kill Locke off? I am displeased with all of this.



I totally agree. I used to love Ben's character, and I assumed that his FB would be riveting and make him even more exciting. Nope. Boring. And the scenes with Locke just seemed force and uninteresting. It soooo didn't work for me. To the point where I haven't been even discussing the mysteries of this episode in this forum.

After what I felt was a string of several solid episodes, I unfortunately find myself back in this thread. Last night's episode was underwhelming (to put it mildly), given that it was the first Ben flashback and the first flashback to take the viewer to the Dharma Initiative-era.

Instead, other than a few interesting tid-bits (I'll get back to them later), which were more interesting for the new mysteries they introduced rather than those they revealed or resolved, the episode fell flat (especially compared to last week's pay-off and the implications it set up for this episode). Locke opened the episode demanding answers, and frustratingly came away empty-handed (which means the audience came away empty-handed as well).

For instance:

*After nearly two seasons worth of episodes since Orientation first introduced the Dharma Initiative, I was dying to see the group in action, which to me meant seeing them conduct their experiments in their various stations around the island, like observing the observers in the Pearl, or studying caged polar bears on the small island--heck I'd have liked to see the infamous "incident" at the Swan Station. Or what about the "Smoke Monster" a/ka/ "security system"? I really wanted to know first-hand as a viewer what these folks were up to, and what some of these "special properties" were.

Throw into that I was also looking forward to finally meeting the DeGroots, Dr. Candle, and maybe even some reference to Alvar Hanso. Instead, all we really got were general shots of the barracks (just like we've already seen with the Others) and the sonic fence (already seen that, too), and the only real meat was seeing how the Dharma Imitative was "purged" by the Others (which of course, makes Mikhail's information he provided either a lie of his own, or one he believed to be true because Ben lied to him about it--either way his whole diatribe in the jungle to Locke and Kate and Sayid was worthless).

This was easily the most disappointing aspect of the episode. Locke came up empty, and so did we.

*The stuff about Ben turning into a genocidal psychopath because his dad was a jerk was laughable. Obviously there's going to be material to fill in the gap between Ben's first meeting with Richard and when he led the "purge" (presumably he provided the Others with the access codes to the sonic fence as well as the nerve gas and gas masks that let them murder off the Dharma Initiative), but as of now Ben just seems like a murderous lunatic with (yet another) daddy issue.

*The Jacob stuff was just baffling (although the "help me" bit was very reminiscent of Amityville Horror's frighteningly disembodied "get out"). Is Jacob literally a ghost or some kind of psychic force? Was Ben's communion with this ghost the reason for his ascension to leadership of the Others? Is that why they were interested in Walt? And while we're at it, who are the Others? (All we still know is that they were the original inhabitants of the island -- which we already knew.) As usual, we'll have to wait and find out. As far as this episode actually revealing who Jacob is, it didn't even reveal what Jacob is. And that, too, was a major letdown.

As far as the "interesting bits":

1. I wonder if the Others have some sort of "anti-aging" secret associated with the island, as Richard seemed to barely age between the 30-35 years that he first met Ben to today. Ah well, just another new mystery to ponder....

2. I wonder how that volcano sitting under the island figures into the island's history (and its future). Ah well, just another new mystery to ponder....

3. Don't even get me started about Jacob and implications even his mere existence has for the island and some of the dream-like, seemingly-psychic, possibly-hallucinogenic phenomena we've seen thus far. Ah well, just another new mystery to ponder....

4. I wonder if the Others have always had trouble conceiving on the island or if this is a new phenomena associated with the island's apparent anger directed toward Ben -- because the fact that Ben is effectively reliving his own personal nightmare (mothers die in labor over and over again) sure would explain his relentlessness in trying to find a cure. Ah well, just another new mystery to ponder....

In general last week's episode The Brig made me feel like we were getting a pay-off and nearing the end. This week's episode was bereft of pay-off and the end seems as distant and convoluted as ever.

One step forward, two steps back...

It's not so much that I didn't love the actual epsode, as it is that, by killing Locke, we are pretty much left with the love triangle being Lost's central focus. Locke was the only one who seemed to care about what the island was all about. I still remember the pilot episode where Charlie asks, "Guys, where are we?". That's the story I want to follow. That's the part that is interesting to me.

What happened to that show?

Locke was/is the one character that I can empathize with from a viewer's perspective. And like the other original castaways that have died, it was a [shock] gut shot with a gun, resulting in a meaningless, pointless death.

I hope Locke is not really dead (and I am going spoiler free into the finale), but if that was it for him, I will find it a huge disappointment. On the other hand, I truly admire O'Quinn's acting chops. I would watch him hawk Magic Bullets on infomercials. So, if it was the actor's decision to leave, then there was little choice TPTB could have made. But I think it could have been written better.

And, I was sort of hoping Jacob would be a volley ball with coconut hair (ala Wilson in "Castaway"). Instead it appears he is a person who is interdimensionally trapped between realities. Erm, oookkaaayyyy...

The beach scene was just silliness. Juliette has to tell them to turn the tape over? Are they that dense?

Actually, maybe it is that I didn't love the episode. I don't know, all I do know is that I think Locke is gone and I am truly worried that this is going to become some sort of tropical mating game show (ala "Survivor" meets "The Bachelor").

Sigh

Let me say that I didn't care for the episode either. I'll disagree w/ some others. I thought Locke beating the crap out of Dr. Pirate Patch was just stupid. Don't get me wrong, I love a good beatin' scene, but that just came out of nowhere. I say this w/ the sincerest desire to see Locke be a total bad a... And, the writers trying to make a broader point w/ it, by not having anyone intervene, directly disobeying Ben was stupid. I also thought the poltergeist scene was a waste. Personally the lead up was directed flawlessly. I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see what would happen. Ben talking to an empty chair was really creepy. I know others disagree, but I thought at least that was pretty good. They left me wanting more in a good way, but after sucked. Ben shoots Locke and then demands to know what Jake said? He didn't even threaten? Why on earth would Locke tell him, even if it would have a humorously stupid double meaning. BAD WRITING. They better not kill Locke now. Otherwise his last words should've been F You! BTW, what's w/ the daddy issues. Everybody kills their dad in this show, except Walt, but we got three more seasons coming. Now back to the part about me like beatin' scenes, if there needed to be a beatdown, who in here would love to see Sawyer put the hurt on Jack? That's one I wouldn't rail the writers about if it had no context. But, the beach scene woulda been a good time for it. The last thing I disliked didn't actually happen in the episode itself, but the writers announcing the end of the series...stupid again. Now I can wait until then to have everything explained if that's possible, and I won't have to put up w/ trivial little nonsense weirdness in the meantime. I really want to love this show. I really do. C'mon guys you should and could end it next year and it'll go down in history as the best show on television ever.

I'll take "Lost characters for 200 Alex"

Lets go visit the scary jacob in the middle of the night. Lets not wait until its light. Let me accept the old and tired "its complicated" to Ben answering my questions. I dont want to ask you any questions on this overnight hike that would help me survive on the island. I dont want to ask you any questions about how you made my father appear and why it was imperative that I kill him. Just leave me in this ditch and assume I am going to die, a'la Austin Powers.

What is "Things the lousy lost writers want us to assume John Locke would say".

Locke's gone. I'm done with this show. I really can't stand it anymore. I always thought that Locke was such an interesting character, too bad he was given very little to work with. I finally told my son that after this episode I am completely done with Lost. I don't even care to see what the ending is. I may come back every once in a while but I am DONE.

I would have rather Jacob been a ... volleyball (Wilson).

:biggrin: LOL

Wouldn't it be funny if Jacob's last name was Wilson?

I'm shocked more people didn't hate the episode. Jacob ... invisible guy in a chair? So very, very lame. I cringed at that. And of course my favorite character Locke has to get shot.

But most of the other stuff I loved, because we learned more about Dharma.

I hated it, it was just terrible, such a waste of space, usually the real fillers come around episode 19, but this was worse than a filler, it just didn't reveal anything good, i didn't care that Ben had parent issues, the Jacob reveal was just completely random and terrible, and Emerson made his worst performance which really really sucked, he's been amazing until now. The last scene was pretty good though.

Locke's gone. I'm done with this show. I really can't stand it anymore. I always thought that Locke was such an interesting character, too bad he was given very little to work with. I finally told my son that after this episode I am completely done with Lost. I don't even care to see what the ending is. I may come back every once in a while but I am DONE.

Locke's not gone. I'm sure he'll "recover" from his wound and be back on his feet by the end of the season. He's one of the few characters that is "untouchable".

Really? You think Locke is going to survive? I really doubt it. If he does survive, then he will definitely become the leader of the Others, because it'll prove that he has the crazy ability to heal himself completely on the island... or something.

Anyway, I'm not done with the show. But seriously, what a huge, huge letdown.

Lord, I really hate being in the "Hated It" thread! But the revelation that Ben is just a garden-variety nut job with Mommy/Daddy issues was a major disappointment. That whole cabin scene stunk of "Psycho," and badly. Up until that point, I was gamely trying to stay with it, as I had high hopes that Locke had found his mojo again-- having had Sawyer do his dirty work notwithstanding-- and really was enjoying his back-and-forth dialogue with Ben. But the cat and mouse turned into two scrabbling hamsters, so that the final gunshot was even a yawner. One of them was going to pull the trigger. I didn't care any more which one.

And I agree with many of you that the beach scene could have been much more deeply developed. Here it is, an important and dramatic turning point for the Losties, and we weren't even given much of their reactions. This was a potentially moving scene of reunification, fear and anger, and call to action. And none of that really registered.

Done p***ing and moaning for now!

Cheers,
hiccup

I loved how they showed us all this stuff about Dharma, but we still don't know what the heck they were all about.

I'm going to preface this whole thing by saying that I think this episode got quite few things right (I was entertained, surprised, creeped out, etc.) But one single thing overwhelmed all the postives for me; I truly hated what the writers did to Ben. He was such a mystery, one of (if not the) most interesting character on the show. And what do they do to him in his very first flashback? Completely wipe out his ambiguity. Turn a multi-layered, conflicted, human personality into a flat villain with power issues. It's now nearly impossible to sympathize with him. Ben's complexity (and Michael Emerson's acting) provided the potential for some truly rivetting and multi-dimensional storytelling. Apparently, not anymore. He doesn't feel so much a character now, as a device. How horribly, horribly boring.

So LOST is basically just a ghost story. Jacob is invisible, but can throw people and objects around the room, and moans "Help me"? Can you spell ghost? The whispers, the seeing of people's dead relatives -- please, it's been done a thousand times. And Ben is just a pissed off little boy whose daddy was mean to him and he became a mass murderer? I know, let's make all kinds of repetitions and variations on that theme: Kate killed her daddy because he was mean to her, Sawyer and Locke partnered up to kill their daddy because he was mean to them, Hurley's daddy was mean to him, Jack's daddy was mean to him, Sun's daddy was mean to both Sun and Jin, Penny's daddy was mean to Desmond... there're probably more, but so freaking WHAT??? This whole story just took a major turn to the prosaic. Oh, and let me guess -- psycho Ben carries his little wooden dollie around with him because he feels some pathetic little smidgen of guilt that his friend Annie got gassed to death too. Ooh, here comes a scene in a future epi where we discover her own little individual grave, replete with her little wooden dollie and - yes, here it comes - Ben actually showing a trace of human emotion, and perhaps even - yes, all too predictable - he takes her little wooden dollie and now carries both little wooden dollies around! Ooh, psychological! Heavy, dude.

Oh, please. Here I thought TPTB were a lot more creative than this. LOST just dropped off my "must see" list and now sits complacently aboard my "watch it if I'm not too tired" list.
100%

I'm pretty sure he's dead because otherwise all his grand dialogue and moments last night would have been for nought. The writers sent the man out in style.


Oh, come ON, you don't honestly think TPTB are going to get rid of maybe the most popular character on the show, do you? It was so cheesy-James-Bond-villian-who never-actually-just-simply-kills-James, right? If Ben were as smart as he was bragging about, why didn't he just put a shot right into Locke's head and be done with it? Answer #1: because they've already amply demonstrated that Locke has - gasp - amazing healing powers, notice how they left him alive to do so; and Answer #2: because they've got 48 more episodes to write, and no one wants to kill the franchise, man; and Answer #3: TPTB have already indicated publicly that Locke is a key figure in the whole resolution of this meandering mess. So aside from showing us that Ben is still just a psycho killer, the scene was meaingless and a waste of time.

I'm going to preface this whole thing by saying that I think this episode got quite few things right (I was entertained, surprised, creeped out, etc.) But one single thing overwhelmed all the postives for me; I truly hated what the writers did to Ben. He was such a mystery, one of (if not the) most interesting character on the show. And what do they do to him in his very first flashback? Completely wipe out his ambiguity. Turn a multi-layered, conflicted, human personality into a flat villain with power issues. How horribly, horribly boring.
It didn't bother me at the time (I just don't care for Lost the way I used to, so I my expectations aren't high), but now that you bring it up, it does feel like the writers didn't try at all. I will always love my second-season Henry Gale though, no matter what.

I'm also going to have to agree with drshredder2003.

The Jacob-thing pissed me off the most. Maybe it's not even the idea, but rather the way they serve these things. I'm not sure if you're all with me, but the first episodes of all of the seasons have been brilliant, even when they make little sense. To me, a lot of it has to do with the presentation... like the opening of the hatch and the revelation of Otherville (and seeing the Oceanic 815 crash).

Oh well. Let's just see if the finale is any good.

Really? You think Locke is going to survive? I really doubt it. If he does survive, then he will definitely become the leader of the Others, because it'll prove that he has the crazy ability to heal himself completely on the island... or something.




I don't know if Locke is gone or not, but in the event that he is dead I am done. I too thought that the ghost scene with Jacob, should have been something more and it wasn't. The beach scene wasn't well thought off either. It's as if the writers are running out of storylines. I agree with dshredder too most of the characters seeem to have daddy issues. I really think Locke is dead. I personally think and I'll say it even though tptb have said they aren't, all of them are dead and they are in purgatory. Can you imasgine another 3 more seasons of this.

I didn't hate the epi but didn't like the fact that we have yet another "daddy issue" person. I have to assume that TPTB are laughing if we haven't realized that these people have alot ALOT of problems with the family relations. I guess killing or having some kill your father is normal behavior? And Ben took it one step farther.......kill everone associated with dear old Dad. I feel like a peeping tom at a mental health clinic.

I don't think this is a spoiler:

''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''

I read this as meaning one thing before the episode aired, and then taking on a whole different meaning afterwards. You could say that Locke's course on the island definitely changed...it's over.

Locke's gone.
Actually, I seriously doubt it. His paralysis is healed. The wound on his hand from Cooper's bite healed. I think they're setting Locke up for a resurrection.

(although the "help me" bit was very reminiscent of Amityville Horror's frighteningly disembodied "get out"). .

The sad thing is, the original Amityville can, although a classic cult movie, be considered a B movie, and this scene was quite obviously taken 90 percent out of it, but with laughable camera angles (more zoom and we'd have been inside Locke's brain etc.).

I mean, when they got outside and Ben stated 'that was Jacob', am I the only one that noticed they started a 'scary' music score, that got cut in two after a small second, to switch over immediately in a daylight scene with Locke and Ben trudging away as if nothing happened?

Continuity killed the cat.

Really? You think Locke is going to survive? I really doubt it. If he does survive, then he will definitely become the leader of the Others, because it'll prove that he has the crazy ability to heal himself completely on the island... or something.

Anyway, I'm not done with the show. But seriously, what a huge, huge letdown.

He is unquestionably 100% going to survive. He is literally the last character TPTB would kill off. And yes, he's obviously being set-up to become the new leader of the Others.

He is unquestionably 100% going to survive. He is literally the last character TPTB would kill off. And yes, he's obviously being set-up to become the new leader of the Others.



I certainly hope you are right. As for him becoming the leader of the others, I don't think I would like that Idea. I mean the difference between Ben and Locke is that, Ben is a murderer and Locke is a user.

Actually, I seriously doubt it. His paralysis is healed. The wound on his hand from Cooper's bite healed. I think they're setting Locke up for a resurrection.
I kind of figured there was a difference between injuries and diseases vs. mortal wounds. So far, basically everyone who has been shot has died. Then Boone was mortally wounded when the plane fell.

Or is it that you think that Locke, specifically, can heal because his paralysis went away? Would that mean that if Rose got shot, she would also heal?

I kind of figured there was a difference between injuries and diseases vs. mortal wounds. So far, basically everyone who has been shot has died. Then Boone was mortally wounded when the plane fell.

Or is it that you think that Locke, specifically, can heal because his paralysis went away? Would that mean that if Rose got shot, she would also heal?
To be honest, I haven't yet decided on the logic (and I'm still not sure there's even a logic to it except it always suits the plot). I just think they've set up John to be resurrected.

I don't think this is a spoiler:

''Locke will hear two words tonight,'' says Lindelof. ''Those words, and the fact that he hears them, will change his course on the island forever.''



So what are the two words? I am guessing they are "Help me".

I don't know if Locke is gone or not, but in the event that he is dead I am done.

I didn't expect or want Locke to die but a resurrection would be even worse.
We've already had one of those, imo that's one too many.
I don't really want to watch 48 more episodes of people getting killed and then coming back to life...
100%
Oh, please. Here I thought TPTB were a lot more creative than this. LOST just dropped off my "must see" list and now sits complacently aboard my "watch it if I'm not too tired" list.
I'll keep the next 3 episodes in my appointment book.
After the finale, I'll decide if I should sign up for those Wednesday night Tai Chi classes..

Last shot we saw of Locke he was still breathing, no resurrection required just yet!

:mad:
what happened to the writers?
I was so majorly disappointed I wanted to throw things at the TV.
Roger was ridiculous
Young Ben was good I'll give you that.
But the rest of it looked like a "home job"..
are you low on funds for production costs?
And the 2 second ( at most) appearance of Jacob !!!!!
was so lame--I don't know how you could do that and still keep your heads up--I almost started laughing....
I was embarrassed for you...
and the PURGE !
that was Dharma ?
Please don't ruin this show---with silly, lame, and tired plot devices it cheapens the show and insults the intelligence of some of your fans.
BTW
Don't get rid of Kate--you are already on shaky ground and can't afford to lose a strong character.

Last shot we saw of Locke he was still breathing, no resurrection required just yet!

Very faintly, with a wheezing sound, lying in a deep hole full of bodies and with a stomach shot. Bit hard to be back on the beach in a couple of hours.

Oh, wait, this is lost, forgot what I said, the happenigns of a prior episode don't dictate the next one. Next episodes writers probably didn't even get briefed he's shot.

People who compare the Jacob scene to the Blair Witch Project or Psycho are very charitable. It actually reminded me of the cheap scares featured in shows like Scoobidoo. Oooooh, the chair is MOVING! :rolleyes:

Big let-down on the beach, too. "I hadn't decided". I mean, WHAT? Jack knows the Others are coming to get the pregnant women, and he's pondering... well, what exactly? I can't believe he gets away with it just because "he's Jack". Bunch of brainless chicken, the lot of them.

As for Locke - I don't believe for a second he will die. But as the Others seem to have taken his side (Alpert giving him the files, Alex handing out the gun), I can see him killing Ben and leading the Others.

Very faintly, with a wheezing sound, lying in a deep hole full of bodies and with a stomach shot. Bit hard to be back on the beach in a couple of hours.

Oh, wait, this is lost, forgot what I said, the happenigns of a prior episode don't dictate the next one. Next episodes writers probably didn't even get briefed he's shot.


I think you are right. Locke may be dead. I couldn't see the trajectory of where the bullet entered but in the event it entered in the stomach, I'd venture to say that Locke is a goner.


People who compare the Jacob scene to the Blair Witch Project or Psycho are very charitable. It actually reminded me of the cheap scares featured in shows like Scoobidoo. Oooooh, the chair is MOVING! :rolleyes:



I couldn't think of the movie, but THAT'S IT :biggrin:

and I'll say it even though tptb have said they aren't, all of them are dead and they are in purgatory. Can you imasgine another 3 more seasons of this.


hah...yea, it's not purgatory for them...it's purgatory for us!

Big let-down on the beach, too. "I hadn't decided". I mean, WHAT? Jack knows the Others are coming to get the pregnant women, and he's pondering... well, what exactly? I can't believe he gets away with it just because "he's Jack". Bunch of brainless chicken, the lot of them.

Jack is what Sawyer aptly called him, J-ackass. He has turned into a snob. I would love to see Sayid give him some torture.
By the way who are we fooling around with, its the writers who have badly damaged many characters.

hah...yea, it's not purgatory for them...it's purgatory for us!

Hmmm....:frown:

Jacob invisble or Ben's split personality? So dumb. This is dissapointing after Lost has been so wonderful and intelligent.